Pentagon wants to enlist illegals
The Washington Times reports that the Pentagon is hoping to be part of the path to citizenship for illegal aliens in this country, and immigrant rights advocates (whatever they are) are fully on board;
Immigrant rights advocates are pleading with the Pentagon to declare “dreamers” to be vital to the national interest, which would allow them to enlist in the military under a special program that grants non-immigrants a quick pathway to citizenship in exchange for years of military service.
Jessica Wright, acting undersecretary for personnel and readiness, said Monday that the Pentagon is in the middle of that review and hopes to complete it by the end of the summer, and is discussing the proposal with the Justice and Homeland Security departments.
“It’s very important to us that we are in concert to things that the White House thinks are very important, and we do too. So we’re looking to move forward on what ‘vital to the national interest’ means,” Ms. Wright said at a hearing in Chicago.
The last time I checked, the military is trying trying to draw down it’s number of troops, tens of thousands are being told to hit the bricks, but for some reason we’re supposed to actively recruit illegal aliens? Something here doesn’t look like the others.
More than 500,000 dreamers have been granted deferred action status, and an estimated 65,000 illegal immigrants graduate from high schools in the U.S. every year, the Defense Department said.
Mr. Durbin said given potential recruiting challenges for the military, the Pentagon could open another pool of applicants if it let dreamers qualify for the national interest exception.
Once they are enlisted in the military, they would have a speedy pathway to citizenship.
Those “potential recruiting challenges” were created by the Pentagon and politicians in the first place. So I guess they’re saying that their solution for their own mismanagement of the force is to find folks who have lower expectations for compensation for their service. If I was a member of the targeted demographic, I’d be insulted.
In addition, it makes us look even lazier than we already are by recruiting a mercenary military from non-citizens, widening the gap between those who choose military service as a career and those who wouldn’t touch a uniform if their lives depended upon it.
It looks like another attempt at making the military some sort of social engineering program for the rest of the country. I guess because it doesn’t take much thought to just say “let the Pentagon do it for us” and the Left doesn’t like to put much thought into anything.
Category: Military issues
I fucking love it! They are tightening enlistment standards as we speak for US Citizens due to the drawdown, but here we have DoD talking about loosening standards for people with mental illnesses(Transgender) and now for fucking illegal aliens?
What in the holy fucking hell are they smoking down there in DC?? Did Obama hook them up with the good stuff from Maui?
No, it’s something in the water out of the Potomac and Anacostia! That’s why they tell people not to eat fish caught out of the Potomac unless you do it ABOVE Great Falls! (I’m a Northern VA resident. I know!)
I have caught some of those fish.
Very scary.
We don’t have a sovereign country, anymore. the commies have decreed that anyone and everyone can come here without going through any steps that every other country in the world uses. All you have to do is simply show up. Why the fuck do we need border security, anymore? We’re releasing the criminals into the population and letting anyone and everyone that came here illegally stay, plus giving them citizenship; so why have a country at all?
Well nice thought about the illegal immigrants, because us with visas been rejected from armed forces for years!! One thing the geniuses have forgotten they are mostly illiterate people, good luck trying to explain ballistics to them, or making them march or having have the group mindset from the armed forces.
Thy went full libertards, never go full libertard… *sigh*
That is a pretty ignorant statement. The people this is directed at are not ignorant farm workers who crept across the border; they are mostly literate, high school and college educated illegals who came to the country illegally as small children and have lived their entire life here.
I don’t support handing them anything, but I do support recruiting the most qualified recruits. If that means a solid, educated, English speaking, illegal who has never know another nationality gets to join and earn citizenship through service, then I am all for it. I have a metric shit ton of brother and sister Navy CPOs who joined our Navy as non-citizens and could hardly speak English. They served proudly and with distinction. I am glad we gave them the opportunity to serve.
“White House thinks” Really? a house is an inanimate object, incapable of thought. What does it mean that the WH thinks? Why not say what is meant, instead?
As for this proposal, it is part of the plan. It worked for homosexuals. The idea is saturation, ensure that every element of society, and especially venerable institutions, such as the military, proclaim the acceptance and value of whjat most of us recognize to be inherently wrong. The institutions are key. This is how America is fundamentally transformed.
2/17 Air Cav…My thoughts exactly, saturation until America as we knew it is gone. The “White House thinks”. Yea right. One question. Will there be an extra Drill Sergeant who speaks Spanish for them? You know like in public schools? As soon as I began reading I said to myself that Obama is behind this. Since as Old Trooper pointed out, most I have met are functionally illiterate, how the hell is that going to work when so many US high school students fail the ASVAB. I guess all DoD forms will be printed in English and Spanish now, like they are mandated to be in my state. This is a fucked up idea, big time.
“Will there be an extra Drill Sergeant who speaks Spanish for them?”
Probably not. Expect a full dose of mandatory AKO, NKO interactive Spanish courses for non speakers monthly.
Remind me again why we have a military? Is it to help people gain citizenship by indentured servitude? NO! It is to FIGHT AND WIN THE NATION’S WARS! plain and simple. How does this newest initiative make that possible?
These #@$! politicians and, worst of all, General officers seem to have forgotten that one simple fact.
I actually have no issue with this at all.
And I have signed off on three individuals who did it.
If a man wishes to go to combat for this country then he should be granted citizenship (if he meets the objective standard and performs honorably).
There are to many US “kids” out there today who avoid the military like the plague while putting their hand(s) out looking for a free education, great job and social support while sitting on their assess.
No problem with this at all.
You did not put in 3 Illegal Immigrants. If you did so, it was with bogus documentation showing them to be here i nthis country legally.
Only green Card Holders were elligible for enlistment, you could not enlist as an Illegal.
To be eligible for enlistment in the Army or Army Reserve, an individual must be an American citizen or lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence [10 United States Code, Section 3253(c), 8253(c)].
Recruiters cannot assist people in coming to the United States or assist them in getting permanent resident status. They can work with people who already have permanent resident status or who can show they are in the process of receiving permanent resident status.
http://www.usarec.army.mil/support/faqs.htm#citizens
Uh, no.
And I did not put anyone in.
Two Hondurans and one German.
And your splitting hairs on the Green Card issue.
I am not splitting hairs. I served with foreign nationals as far back as 1983. They were legal residents of the United States and the only reason they were able to enlist.
Illegal Immigrants have never been elligible to enlist, are not currently elligible to enlist, and this is the newest “class of people” being discussed in regards to the “pathway to citizenship”.
So, no I am not splitting hairs. it is pretty cut and dry. Under US law illegal immigrants are not able to enlist in the US Military.
See my comments below.
I understand you point, although it is technical.
But that being said, I really do not have an issue.
Serve honorably, then receive citizenship. Some of these folks are hungry for it unlike a lot of people (kids) in this country that take it as a birthright and contribute NOTHING into the system.
Call me cynical, but that is what exposure to gross Liberalism has done to me.
The part being skipped over here is that ILLEGAL immigrants have COMMITTED A CRIME. They have VIOLATED US LAW to be here in the first place. THAT is the issue here, not simply citizenship.
At least allowing them to serve for citizenship versus giving blanket citizenship for free…?
Easy choice. I understand the criminal implications and the prevailing counter-argument. They are logical and straightforward.
But my take is this, with the way the political machine is turning, Obummer and his boys want the votes and will grant “status”. Loosely translated, more people with their hands out. I understand and respect everyone’s opinion, but I am a realist and this is coming (Obummer’s way).
As I stated, many kids in the country bitch, whine and have their hand out (as do many illegal immigrants). If kids in this country will nor serve (they would rather be served) target a pool that will.
Emile Durkheim would love the social implications due to the very real possibility of creating another sub-class structure but in the absence of common sense in DC, what do you do?
USA1776: Not neccessarily. Someone who was born in another country and was illegally brought to the US by his parents when he was a child has committed no crime.
And the issues at play is citizenship.
Green cards do not posses that either.
They do not posess Citizenship, the posess “Legal Residency” which enables them under US law to Enlist in our Military.
They came here following the rules, unlike the damned illegals who just crossed the border and stayed, whether from Europe, Africa, South America, Central America, Asia, etc… none of whom deserve any special treatment or “pathways to citizenship”.
Not only are illegal aliens not eligible for enlistment, anyone with any legal issues that have not been completed or adjudicated are ineligible. There is no way beyond deportation or obtaining legal status to close this legal issue. Not to mention their ineligibility for clearances.
Green Thumb…I understand what you are saying. This happened during WWII as well. But it was a different kind of immigrant then. Immigrants who loved America and what we stood for and they would have fought, citizenship or not for the freedoms they had gained in coming here. I am talking by and large about the Mexican immigrants. People who come here, could care less about America and what we stand for, except what we can give them and then go about trying to change our nation into the shit hole they came from in culture, language, etc. For them, they would have to be some sharp, heads up, well spoken individuals before I would let them serve and gain citizenship. But if they did so, honorably, then by all means they earned citizenship.
3/4 of one of my old platoons spoke Spanish. The vast majority were from So Cal or Puerto Rico as first or second generation.
I speak it as well (practice and as a second language – I married a Mexican).
Folks, it is already here in many ways.
Not pushing the issue, just tossing out a fact.
Green Thumb First, no offense was intended whatsoever. I served with every color, every nationality and language I can think of. They were all good soldiers. But they were here legally first then enlisted. Some second generation but many first. It is the Obama agenda I have a problem with. Not people who speak Spanish as a first language. Obama wants to cut through the law and allow illegals of unknown backgrounds to enlist. If they work out great. If they don’t it will be the military’s fault. It is an expensive, no win for everyone. I see enough to already see our nation changing. In population, language and so forth. I see many hard working, legal Mexicans trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. It is the illegals I have a concern with. Their backgrounds are unknown and many, many caught here are criminals in their own countries. If a person really loves America and wants to serve, then go through the legal process to become eligible to do so. Don’t create a program where any illegal can walk in a recruiter’s office and enlist. Then go about researching their background and have them yanked from basic because they are felons, here or in their home land and fled to avoid prosecution. I am going around in a circle here and don’t think I am making a great point so I will stop. But Green Thumb, I do understand where you are coming from. I truly do and I respect your opinion highly.
No offense taken.
You guys should know me better by now. I am sarcastic as hell but keep an open mind.
I think the issue at play here is gross generalization.
While I understand and can even sympathize with that approach to some extent, separations should be made.
I have to agree with rb325th here. I was a Green Card holder when I enlisted back in 1989, coming from Germany..legally. I made my Citizenship after returning from Desert Storm in 1992, having to wait 3 years in country since I was an Army brat as well (German parents divorced and my mother married a U.S. Soldier, hence the Green Card). I have mixed feeling about this option. Having graduated from a U.S. High School overseas in Germany and speaking fluent English, I was turned down after initially returning from Desert Storm since we had just moved back from Germany in 1989 and I did not have the 3 years In-country requirement. As I was walking out, they were swearing in people and I noticed many had to have a translator since they did not speak a lick on English…but they became Citizens before me?
Maybe the path is, if you graduate high school here and your parents brought you over at a very young age, and you speak fluent English then maybe.
I don’t know, it is still hard to get over that “Illegal’ part though. Especially since I came here as a legal immigrant.
Ordsoldier…Thank you for your service to your country. But you are not an example of the “white elephant” in the living room we are really talking about. You came here legally, knew and used English. You belive in America nd what we stand for and are not out to change it into a western hemisphere Germany. You are an exception to the program being put forth by the White House. Their agenda is to capture more of the Hispanic vote, period. They don’t care the cost or effect it would have on the country or morale or the readiness of our Armed Forces.
Hm. Good point, never saw it that way.
Couldn’t non-Romans earn citizenship the same way? Not a horrible system, engenders some loyalty to the country, it’s people, and our a Constitution.
Straight, non-minority males can’t make the cut any more, but there can’t be enough trannies and illegal aliens serving… WTF, over?
Can you imagine the nightmare of trying to do background checks and clearances for these folks? They’ll already be done with one enlistment before the paperwork comes back.
On another note, this could be a rather novel way to speed-up deportations. Load ’em on a plane to Libya and forget to go back to get them.
Constitution? We don’t need no “steenking” Constitution.
The presumption is that an illegal alien who wants to enlist in our military desires citizenship. Perhaps that’s true, but under the The Emperor, immigration laws are not being enforced. Hell, thouseands of murders, rapists, robbers, and other felons aren’t even being held for deportation. If an illegal alien wants citizenship, he can obtain it. He can also take the steps necessary to remain in this country legally. Hell, he can get a high-school education in some states, a drivers license, and even in-state tuition for college. But none of that is enough. The poor illegal alien should have a right to enlist in the military if and when he wants. And if you are against this beacuse of antiquated laws, well, you are an insensitive lout. Bullshit. I can only hope that the illegals regard this as a trick to have them arrested and deported–at least under the next chief executive, if he, unlike the current one, actually respects and enforces the law.
2/17 Air Cav What you said.
On so many levels the past 6 years have been a duplicate of the fall of Rome. This just adds to it.
Ohio, it’s funny that you mention the fall of Rome. Part of the reason For the fall has been attributed to the loss of the citizen army.When the end came the Roman army was almost completely made up of barbarian mercenary troops even to its generals.Troops who fight for money tend to disappear or change sides if the pay is slow to arrive or they get a better offer. Barbarian troops were always offered Roman citizenship after completing a 25 year career. None of this single enlistment path to citizenship malarky.
Everybody needs to understand, if they are “talking” about this at the Pentagon, it is already a done deal. Further social engineering with our National Defense at stake.
This administration does not care about the defense of this country. They care about the short term goal of enlisting an army of potential voters. Whether it is harmful to the military is unimportant. What matters is that they have voters who vote, vote early and vote often.
Illegals are perfect for this administration. An administration who does not believe in the rule of law if it does not fit what they want to do, hooking up with people who are in this country illegally. The synergy is beyond belief!!!! Think of all of the great things they can do once they get this untapped population fully assimilated, and by assimilated I mean on the voting rolls. Illegals are not assimilating because that might stifle their “diversity”.
This country is fucked 10 ways to Sunday. I saw a great bumper sticker the other day “Our forefathers would be shooting by now”. Yep, pretty much.
Actually, it is a great idea for DoD. Allows them to control the ranks even more – get a company grade article 15 and get deported. That’ll keep ’em in line.
Odd but actually an effective approach.
Meh, they won’t deport them. Shit they won’t deport them for violent crimes. UCMJ is kids stuff.
What’s more we will be completely unable to discipline them. Any attempt to compel compliance will force the Race/Status card to come out. “You picking on me because I’m undocumented/foreign/not so good English”. Once we place these folks in a protected, pampered, special snowflake class they will be totally intractable. Same with gays, and transgendered. It will always be about their status rather than their performance. Like the lady who faile Infantry basic course and somehow it was the Corps fault for not preparing her.
This isn’t just Obama and the Dems. Just another pile of crap that BOTH parties engage in. Even dear old saintly Reagan.
Believe I will need to see proof of that. I was in the Marine Corps during the Reagan years and I do not recall an influx of illegal aliens filling our ranks.
Should’ve been clearer…both parties have/are and will pander to illegals. Those of you who think Republicans have or will act any different are fooling yourselves.
I believe wht you’re referring to is when Reagan signed amnesty for the illegals that were here at that time. It was an agreement he had with the democrat controlled congress that if he signed, they would build a border fence. He signed, they lied. No fence was built (as if the democrats could be trusted to keep their word, just look at what we’re dealing with right now) and more and more illegals keep coming across the border.
So, yeah, Reagan was dear old saintly, but the democrats continue to be democrats i.e. lying assholes.
Sorry, no. The legislation was written by a bipartisan committee. And the Republicans controlled the Senate at the time of its passage.
Let’s play a game of “who said this?”
“I believe in the idea of amnesty.”
I don’t play games. Who controlled the purse strings at that time? That would be the democrat controlled House.
Chew on this a while:
“According to Ronald Reagan himself, as told to his trusted long-time friend and U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese, the biggest mistake of his presidency was signing the l986 amnesty for what turned out to be more than half the five million illegal immigrants in the country. Reagan was uncomfortable with the amnesty but was persuaded by some of the leaders of his own party (still living) that it would only affect a small number of illegal immigrants and would assure that Congress would follow through with more vigorous enforcement of U.S. immigration laws. The misnamed Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986 was touted by its supporters as “comprehensive immigration reform” that would grant amnesty only to a few long-settled immigrants and strengthen border security and internal immigration enforcement against employers who were hiring illegal immigrants.
Internal enforcement was critical to Reagan. He knew that the real key to stopping illegal immigration was to cut off the job magnet at the employment place. He was also honest enough to call what he believed would only be a small amnesty by its real name—amnesty. He did not try to deceive the American people into thinking it was not really an amnesty, a deception much in vogue with many politicians today.
Source: http://conservativetimes.org/?p=10638
Now; what we are talking about is we no longer have a country, because the latest craze is to let whomever the hell wants to come here to be able to serve in our military and live in what used to be a sovereign nation. We can save a shitload of money by dismantling the Border Patrol and ICE, because they are no longer needed. Right?
It seems that quote, on further research, is suspect, however, the promise of enforcement is not suspect and that’s the key; no one wants to enforce existing laws. Look up Operation Wetback and see what has been done in the past, when we had a country.
When 20 Jan 2017 rolls around and a (hopefully) Republican president is inaugurated, his first act should be to ask for the resignation of every GOFO and SES that was confirmed/promoted in the last 8 years. Bring back Mattis as CJCS and start fresh. John Allen would be a good Commandant, HR McMaster would be a good choice CSA. Squids and zoomies are on your own for selectin head squid and chief zoomie
Throw experienced folks out so they can be replaced by inexperienced people with questionable motivations who have already committed criminal acts against the country. Just wanted to be sure I understood.
How else is MS-13 going to get the latest , greatest training that the worlds most powerful army gives without this?
Why, they may not be able to kill our border patrol officers effectively anymore while infiltrating AQ and other nasties into our country……
Shoot American who won’t give up their guns? Yes, for a Green Card, senor!
And as was previously noted, the security clearance situation is a nightmare in and of itself, not to mention it SEVERELY limits the jobs that can be taken.
Hey, illegal aliens are only joining the military that Americans don’t want to join…remember as the esteemed President Bush explained, they are not illegals they are temporary guest soldiers….
Well, I’ll tell you another path to citizenship that shouldn’t be blocked merely because a candidate sneaked across the border or is otherwise here illegally: Federal jobs of all types, including, perhaps especially, Federal law enforcement jobs. What’s that? Those jobs are different? Oh. Go ahead and explain that, please.
In fact, the illegal aliens are grossly neglected when it comes to government jobs at all levels, Federal, state, and local. All it takes a little change in law to provide these folks with the same opportunity for success that is available to those who, through birth right or naturalization, are US citizens. I’m certain that the unions won’t mind. I’m certain that the current employees won’t mind. And I’m certain that citizen applicants for these jobs won’t mind. Sure, that’s the spirit! Just like the plan for the military.
Hey, Rahmbo Emmanuel in Shitcago is seeking illegals to give city jobs and internships to, while the unemployment rate in Shitcago hovers around 8.1%. I’m pretty sure that the unemployment rate is really around 10-12%, we all know how dems cook the books. Anyway, if you’re a citizen, don’t bother applying for a city job, they’re reserved for “DREAMers”.
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/05/12/mayor-rahm-emanuel-announces-chicago-jobs-internships-will-go-to-illegals-118475
According to AR 601-210…
1.) Non-Citizens can only serve for 6 years maximum.
2.) You must have a INS 151 card (the so called green card) or be a US Citizen.
3.) No way will these folks get a clearance… which also means they will not have computer access. In short— Chapter Case for any commander.
4.) As someone said earlier if they were born er to illegal parents we shouldn’t discriminate because they committed no crime. (Paraphrase because I’m too lazy to go up and find it out of the mass) If they were born here in country guess what citizenship status they have? Actually dual (mom and dads and US)
Pentagon is of course all over this… They get to have an influx of (stupid) Troops, who they can exert extreme pressure over (we’ll kick you out if you fuck up, then deport you), and they can only serve a limited amount of time. 6 years seems a lot, but 20 goes by pretty damn fast too. None of them will be Officers (got to be a citizen), 99% of them will not make NCO (mostly because of the security clearance thing)and you all know some CSM on some promotion board is going to see that he is an Illegal Immigrant… He’s already proven he can’t do the right thing, No fucking way he’s getting SGT.
Exactly, it’s a win-win for the butt-sucking toxic leadership careerists…
What’s “vital for the national interest” is to get rid of this lawbreakers. They are in the country illegally. What is so difficult to understand. I myself am an immigrant. I came to this country legally nearly 45 years ago when I was 2 1/2 with my my mom. My dad was in the Army in Germany when my parents met, and due to an Army paperwork screwup, didn’t marry till after I was born.
If we allow someone from nazi germany(former I guess) then the dreamers should be alowed too! Besides where is the corporate multi-national state going to get its cannon fodder to force its will on third world countries for exxon-mobile
Also dreamers are willing to join the army to risk their lives for Obama are any of you ready to die for Obama or Mrs. Clinton when she takes office in 2017 or are first latina president after that? remember almost half of all grade schoolers are minorities!
Uhm. No.
They’re risking their lives (apt phrase, in your terminology. Remember Benghazi, numbnuts?) for the US Constitution and the people of America.
Not the President.
Not Congress.
Not the Supreme Court.
Not the States.
The people.
The Constitution.
*Waves hand* You will go home and rethink your life.
C’mon, the military doesn’t protect freedom or liberty or the Constitution any more. Certainly not in the GWOT wankfest.
If they really were, they’d be here in the US dismantling the police state.
No shit Sherlock. You been hitting that statistics glossary again?
I guess you didn’t get the memo, huh dipshit? APPLE is the world’s most profitable company, and at last count, was holding upwards of 100 BILLION dollars offshore in order to not pay US taxes on their PROFIT. Stick that in your MAC Power Airbook and smoke it.
I keep waiting on you stank ass hippies to announce a boycott of all Apple products, but I guess I won’t hold my breath.
So, that 90 day sentence for screwing the goat is up, and you’re back here, VWP? How’d you like being the bitch of Bubba and LaWon?
I may be of a different opiion of many of you, but I don’t see a huge problem with fast tracking QUALIFIED individuals for citizenship who were illegals.
The main point I would have would be that the enlistment standards need to be just as strict ( if not higher) for those wanting to join. If they arent fluent in English, able to pass the ASVAB, have a criminal record or are physicaly un-fit, no enlistment.
Sgt Mike Strank, who won a Bronze Star on Bouganille, raised the flag on Iwo Jima and was later KIA was an “illegal alien”. He came from Czechoslavakia with his family as a 6 year old and never applied for or was granted citizenhip.
Respectfully, I do not think he was “illegal” when growing up in the United States.
Bunch of garbage.