A brief response to Paul from IAVA
[I AM HAVING PROBLEMS POSTING HERE, SO BEAR WITH ME. And yes, I know I have spelling, punctuation errors etc. Unfortunately, I am having trouble fixing them. CURSE you whoever is on the other end of this blog admin nonsense!]
Well, quite the little storm a brewing.
Paul Rieckhoff of IAVA responds to my posts over at Blackfive. I urge everyone to go read it. I’m all about the sunshine/disinfectant thing, so, please, go read it.
I will go through it more tomorrow, but a few quick thoughts. First, I post under a pseudonym because I am a blogger. Everytime my name is attached to things, my personal musings are attributed to my employer, or I get lunatics setting up websites about me. One time I even had a dude appropriate my name and start posting all over Yahoo about how I like small boys. But, I am happy to disclose my identity to Paul, provided it doesn’t get spilled all over the intertubes and I have to go into cyber hiding again.
My parsing of the votes was me. Not anyone else, so I am responsible for that. With that as a base, read what Paul says, and look at what I wrote, then go look at the votes. I think I laid out a strong case for how Senators Vitter, Coburn and DeMint voted against the bills cited by IAVA for reasons completely unrelated to the reasons for which IAVA used the votes. Does being against a park in 90210 mean you oppose veterans? Not in my book.
I am well aware of all the work that IAVA does on Capitol Hill. I have met each and everyone of their lobbyists on MANY occasions. I do not challenge that advocacy.
Paul states:
At IAVA, we’re proud of our work, and we don’t let misguided attacks on the integrity of our organization go without being challenged.
As well you should be proud, and as well you should not let it go unchallenged. So, lets talk about that actual challenges I made, and not the ancillary discussions. My post was DIRECTLY in relation to the Scorecard itself. Not lobbying, not the absolutely admirable job on the GI Bill (which was to be addressed tomorrow) and not on how polite you are to those with questions. I confined my discussion to your scorecard, the apparent conflict of interest in having your founder also being a beneficiary of the vote selection, and use of DIA. So, let’s discuss those items.
This is the paragraph I take the most umbrage with:
Senators and Representatives are paid to go to Washington and represent the American people by sponsoring and voting on legislation. And that’s what we grade them on: actions, not rhetoric. Not their party or their status as a veteran, but their votes. Duncan Hunter (an example cited with outrage by TSO) received a C with good reason. Despite his honorable service, and that of his son, he was running for President and chose to miss 3 critical votes, one on protecting Iraqi interpreters, one on treating TBI and on one expanding veterans benefits. He also decided not to be a GI Bill co-sponsor, in contrast to several of his colleagues—including dozens of Republicans ranging from Representative Peter King (NY) to Senator Pete Domenici (NM). Let’s face it–you aren’t supportive of the troops just by virtue of being a veteran.
1) I cited Duncan Hunter as an example, and you point out he missed 3 “critical votes.” I contend that the Interpreter Bill, while very important, and which I do not downplay was anything but critical. It passed with only one vote against it. He could have thrown a backyard BBQ for 200 of his closest Congressional friends and it would have passed. Wouldn’t “critical” seem to indicate that his absence could have doomed the bill? The bill “treating TBI”, your vote #3 was passed unanimously, do you really believe that had Hunter been there he would have voted contrary to everyone else? Or do you think his absence was due to a well thought out plan to avoid voting on such a contentious issue that it got the votes of both Kucinich and Ron Paul, 2 guys who (outside War on Terror issues) likely could fight about whether water is wet?
2) I don’t recall every saying you had to be a veteran to be supportive of the troops, nor do I for one second believe it. Chairman Bob Filner of the Veterans’ Affairs committee was a draft dodger by his own admission, and he has arguably been the best Chairman that committee has ever had in terms of advocating for veterans. Ascribing such a position to me is farcical.
Paul further states:
We at IAVA understand how Washington works. Our folks are working on the hill every day. They don’t just air drop in a few times a year for press conferences.
I don’t know if that is meant to imply I do, that I claimed you did, or some oblique reference to someone else. Further, he states that
And we get the complexities of being an elected official and dealing with competing demands. In some cases, the bills we included in the Report Card had other provisions that might have led a Representative or Senator to vote against the larger bill. We know that lawmakers have to make compromises. We get this. That is why we are so thorough in our descriptions of the votes, so that people can understand the politics behind the votes. That’s why, for instance, we state unequivocally when legislation was a part of a continuing resolution, or a part of the Defense Authorization bill.
So you get that they might vote against the interest of IAVA based on a COMPLETELY different reason that what the vote is purported to be by you, and yet you mark them down? So, if a Congressman voted against the VA budget and said “It is absurd that we spend more on ___ than we do for our veterans” then IAVA would understand his vote, but nonetheless he would receive a lower grade? That’s absurd. And to assume that 99% of the voting public, unlike IAVA understands what in the hell a continuing resolution is absurd.
This is exactly why scorecards like this one based on huge omnibus bills are unfair. If IAVA had put out a scorecard that just covered the GI Bill, or rather, the version they supported, I would have had no argument. But when you start giving guys like DeMint an “F” on “Veterans Issues” for failing to vote for pork laden bills funding things like parks in Beverly Hills, I think you do faithful public servants and anyone reading the scorecard a grave injustice.
I can’t even argue with the stuff about everything else you do. I absolute laud all of it. It is the scorecard, the use of DIA (which is not even a little analogous to a phone company) and the fact that the beneficiary of your scorecard is a founder and it is not acknowledged in either the press release or in any media sources that I have a problem with.
Category: Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, Politics
Now I know why I would suck at politics. DC is a swamp of angry people. I think IAVA is reputable and non-partisan, but the nature of the beast seems that all these pro-veteran bills get tied up with pork for some wide-stanced Senator’s potato farm. Maybe I’m naive, but why can’t they just introduce pro-vet bills with no earmarks. Didn’t the funding that included the military’s pay get tied up with legislation for an Iraq withdrawal to make the President look like an asshole earlier this year? Damn politicians. I thought Paul had a pretty sharp response, and he showed his sense of humor by quoting your “craptastic” line. TSO: As you know, it absolutely PAINS me to disagree with you. My problem with Paul’s response is it didn’t really address the specific issues I had with the scorecard. Granted, if I wrote it again I would tone down some of what I wrote, but the fact is, those votes in opposition to the IAVA position were not cast with any intent of screwing veterans. So they get marked down for issue completely unrelated to veterans issues, and then get a D or an F. I agree on his sense of humor. I’ll certainly give him that. But take his comment that followed that: As for DIA, which TSO refers to as a “craptastic organization”, this is simply an online mechanism that allows smaller organizations with limited resources like IAVA to communicate with its members. That must come as a bit of a surprise to DIA, which clearly states that they exist “to empower those who share our values of ecological and social justice to advance the progressive agenda.” Now, if IAVA is using DIA, would it not stand to reason, by virtue of logic that IAVA shares their values of ecological and social justice to advance the progressive agenda? And is the ecological/social justice/progressive approach then the one which IAVA feels best represents the interests of veterans? I’m a veteran, I know that for me those are buzzwords for taking my cash, belittling my service and allowing Code… Read more »
I will state again what I said at B5…
to read Rieckhoff and to buy into the IAVA report card methodology, Senators and Congressmen should blindly vote for all legislation that contains the word “veteran” or purports to be in veterans’ interests without regard to whether that is in the interests of ALL the representative’s constituents or in the best interests of veterans (as a whole and not just a class of veterans) and the country as a whole… or maybe if it just appears on IAVA’s legislative agenda.
while the post 9/11 gi bill looks to be a terrific piece of legislation, passing meaningless and/or legislation bloated by pork just so legislators can get “points” as rated by IAVA is ludicrous. and IAVA should have subtracted 10 points for every legislator who voted to unilaterally withdraw troops from Iraq or voted to cut off funding for the troops while they were still fighting — now THAT would be a meaningful report card!
Paul’s argument at Blackfive is unconvincing.
As in all investigations of organizations that appear to be fronts for ulterior motives I suggest you follow the money.
No dues, free membership, offices and lobbyists in DC…
Sounds fairly expensive to me.
Who pays for it all?
Dan Maloney
NY State Coordinator
Gathering of Eagles
http://nygoe.wordpress.com/
http://libertyboy.wordpress.com/
Here are a few articles Phillip Carter wrote. I think you can pretty much discern his political leanings from them:
Petraeus Overplays His Hand
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/inteldump/2008/04/the_reality_is_it_is_hard_in_i.html
Irrelevant Exuberance – Why the latest good news from Iraq doesn’t matter.
http://www.slate.com/id/2171510/
The Road to Abu Ghraib
The biggest scandal of the Bush administration began at the top.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0411.carter.html
The Case for the Draft
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0503.carter.html
Republicans Don’t Support the Troops…
Don’t just take it from me, known from my ultra-right-wing views (me and Phil Carter sat on the right side of the panel on military blogs at BWE)…go see what Greyhawk has found about Senators that support the troops… And…
This group of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans never really passed my smell test. I qualify to be a member having served in Afghanistan a few years ago, and I receive emails from Mr. Rieckhoff (never asked to either!), but they have always been incredibly partisan, with ulterior motives that have NOTHING to do with veterans benefits, such as this Congressional Scorecard of theirs. This seems to be nothing more than an attempt by a certain political party to use GWOT veterans as a propaganda TOOL. I for one am not and never will be a tool. Shit like this is why I joined the VFW. At least they look out for veterans regardless of the conflict, and regardless of politics (its in their charter and bylaws that politics be left at the door). This is not the case with IAVA. I WILL NEVER JOIN such a group, due to the partisan politics. I care about veterans, and helping them whenever they need it. I don’t care about politicians, as they are not the ones next to me in a foxhole. IAVA should have never allowed itself to become a partisan organization, and they have now tainted themselves in the eyes of this veteran. I will be encouraging my buddies to avoid membership there for the foreseeable future (until they can un-fuck themselves), in favor of the VFW or the American Legion.
yah… nonpartisan my… just google Operation Truth (their original name)
http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Galloway_081104,00.html
Operation Truth’s founder, Army National Guard 1st Lt. Paul Rieckhoff, was a platoon leader in Iraq and has criticized President Bush in comments distributed by John Kerry’s presidential campaign. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0825-02.htm
if it looks like… smells like… walks like… it is.
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Firstly, excellent commentary on the scorecard as a whole (refreshing to see unopinionated, even rational and factual blogging on this election!). It is unfortunate Rieckhoff (and a lot of other Dems right now…and I am pretty liberal in my own country)…have all jumped on a bandwagon and are totally prepared to use whatever means…misconstruing even the reason we have senators, the senate, and more than just a left and a right party member in our democratic governments. It’s almost embarrassing, the gung-ho, dedicated support, combined with a lack of any kind of questioning going on in the US from the left right now. Back on point though…overlooking the “earmarking” and the reason (on both sides) many bills are not passed…the scorecard, to a discerning reader, becomes irrelevant. I believe the senate (on both sides) should be watching out for these ridiculaour earmarks, and removing them from the bills. We don’t have the same system here…it is laughable from the outside. Even more laughable is Obama’s reported $1M per day. The guy talks in “trillions”…my guess is he is totally prepared to spend in the same manner. I applaud TSO in his breakdown of the relevant points behind the individual voting, in relation to its rank on the scorecard. As stated above, and I am totally unaware of the organisation IAVA until today…but on face value the “actual” (?) intentions they have are good (support of veterans affairs on any level – whatever work they are doing I cannot comment). Getting caught up in dodgy political email scams (or …not-quite-spilling-all-the-beans emails at least) is questionable at best… I think the most damning thing is still the connection to the emails, the sender, and the founding partner now working for Obama. The scorecard has now been basically made null and void by TOS’ commentary thereof…but the efforts behind it (the emails reporting it) warrant further investigation. It is high time people started to look for substance from the Obama party. At your home, and also further afar. McCain has problems also…but, as with the Keating Five…has them on the table (and with… Read more »
If IAVA is non-partisan, then why were every candidate they supported for election to federal office in 2006 Democrats?