Will Chicago call in the Guard?
According to the Washington Times, two Chicago lawmakers are asking the governor to call out the Illinois National Guard after the Independence day weekend during which 74 people were shot;
“I am requesting with this press conference that Gov. Patrick Quinn order the Illinois National Guard [and] the Illinois State Police to come to Chicago and work with our mayor, Rahm Emanuel, to provide safety for the children, especially, and for all who walk in Chicago. We deserve. We’re important. Our kids are important,” State Rep. Monique Davis said at a news conference at the Illinois State Capitol in Springfield, The News-Gazette reported.
Oh, yeah, in case you might get the impression that Representative Davis is asking for the Guard’s intervention in the criminal behavior of the city, no she wants the Guard to undergo some sort of sensitivity training beforehand, so Chicagoans aren’t frightened by their saviors.
She also asked that the governor appoint a task force to “guide the behavior of the National Guard. We don’t want them to have us fearing them also. We want them there for safety and protection.”
Yeah, good luck, Illinois National Guard.
Category: Crime
I just jumped over to google and learned that in Baltimore this year, 124 people have been murdered. In one weekend alone, 28 were shot and 10 killed. Chicago has buried 146 thus far this year. Two cities. 270 dead. Z case? Point? Politics.
VOV: Appreciate your well thought out comments, as usually is the case.
The bottom line is that the prosecution did not prove him to be a racist much less guilty of either manslaughter or murder. If they had a case at all, they would have made it. They simply could not because it did not happen that way.
If you ever get to listen to ALL the tapes, you will discover that Zimmerman returned to his car when directed to do so and that he left his car when asked where Martin was then – he went looking for him only after being asked to locate him. Quite a different dynamic than has been presented, and carefully avoided by the prosecution, of course. And if they had been able to introduce the burglary tools on Martin at the time of his death, things would have looked quite different.
None of which has much to do with the Chicago situation, in my view. But, I will be very interested if the judge directs a verdict or ignores one, depending upon what the jury decides.
In Chicago – someone may correct me if I am adding this up incorrectly – first the citizenry was discouraged from possessing arms. Now they are calling for the NG to restore order. Doesn’t that require some form of declaration of marshal law? Trying very hard to stay out of tinfoil hat territory here, but this is really beginning to look like a practice operation of the most nefarious variety.
from the law enforcement view, in that tape, he isnt referring to Martin, but to a previous incident in the neighborhood where burglers got away. he didnt know if Martin was a thief or just someone walking down the road. he did state that martin was walking through yards and when he lost martin it was because Martin went between two houses. to any concerned citizen, that would be grounds to be suspicious. i dont think race had anything to do with this at all until media wanted zimmerman to be white. the same week that this first started, 2 black men came upon a white woman with a stroller and tried to rob her, she didnt have enough money for their likeing, so they shot her baby in the stroller. this was not made a big deal in the news, because it doesnt fit the white on black crime they want to publicize. i cant even tell you if race had anything to do with that mugging, but what little was reported on it, sure didnt try to paint it that way. just because an issue involves people with different tan shades, doesnt mean that that has anything at all to do with the issue. i am a Jew (ethnic, not religious) the most persecuted people of all times. there is more antisemitism in the world today then anti-black could muster in all history. i do not take any incident or negative issue against me to be because of my race. it really doesnt matter. race is only an issue as long as people want to play the victim. italians in the 1920s didnt want to be victims, so they integrated into society. with in a generation they were looked upon no different than anyone else. the irish before them and the scotts before them the same. when people decide to stop playing the victim card, no one else will care what race they are. dont even try telling me that those were different situations because they were all “white”, people in those times could recognize the feature differences… Read more »
@50, thats why I love coming here. I can disagree with you, you can disagree with me, we can all disagree with Hondo or anybody else, and nobody is going to jump down anyones throat unless someone makes a completly asinine comment.
@52 “Trying very hard to stay out of tinfoil hat territory here, but this is really beginning to look like a practice operation of the most nefarious variety.”
If the NG is called in, the situation will escalate. It has to, because the Guard will do what it’s trained to do. The first time somebody takes a shot at a Guardsman, it’ll be game on. Is that what the powers want? They’ll tell you “no,” but actions speak louder than words. The only reason to bring in the military is to enforce martial law, otherwise the police would suffice.
We could be looking at a situation that will be the next “shot heard ’round the world.”
Yes I can hear the new Neil Young song now…”More dead in Chi-ca-go”
ARNG troops setting up a perimeter somewhere or going door to door to disarm gangbangers? no way that could get ugly all around…
@54 Indeed you are correct for me as well, I try to avoid asininity as much as possible, however sometimes I find I am incapable of escaping it.
VOV: don’t be so sure the jury will find Zimmerman “not guilty”. Most didn’t think OJ would walk, either. He did.
You never know what a jury will do until they read the verdict.
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OWB: “discouraged” is a very mild way of putting it. IMO “effectively disarmed” is more like it.
Concealed carry was not permitted until this week, and may still be against local laws (not sure if the final IL legislation permitted localities to further restrict concealed carry; former law did, but the recently-passed new law may have ended that authority). Registration is required for all firearms in Chicago, with or without concealed carry permit. And the CPD maintains a lengthy list of handguns it deems “unsafe” and which it will not permit to be registered within Chicago city limits.
https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/About%20CPD/Firearm%20Registration/Unsafe-Roster.pdf
Ownership of ANY firearm in IL requires a IL Firearms Ownership ID (FOID) obtained from the state. There is a waiting period of 72 hrs for pistol purchases and 24 hours for rifles/shotguns. Private sales are subject to the same rules.
But hey – effectively disarming the population of Chicago was a good thing. It made things so safe that today they have no significant issue with violent crime, right?
Well, Hondo, since I was already treading too close to tinfoil hat territory for my own comfort, I really didn’t want to overstate things.
(And apparently couldn’t figure out how to spell “martial” either. Must have been the reflective tape. Or something.)
Understand that Monique Davis is a wannabe-a-bigwig Chicago product, and really not very bright. If she truly wanted to do something for Chicago, and especially the south side and the worst neighborhoods, she’d be an alderman, not a self-serving smudge in the state legislature. The likelihood of the ILNG being sent to Chicago to control the gangbangers is zero to none. It’s Mayor Rahm’s turf and Dan Madigan’s turf and neither of them will go along with Monique’s dippy idea.
Furthermore, the Mexican drug cartel Sinaloa has its nasty fingers sunk hip-deep into Chicago’s underground. The rumor is that Juan Guzman, the kingpin, was killed a few months ago, but there has been no proof of that so far. The FBI has people working in the shadows on unraveling the Sinaloa’s grip, which is far worse than the Vice Lords and the El Rukhns ever even though of being.
And this is just how dumb Monique is: if she actually thinks that the ILNG could come even close to taking on the members of Sinaloa, plus other ganbangers, she’s dumber than a frozen marshmallow. The gangs, including the women members, are utterly vicious. The ILNG would not stand a chance against them.
But Monique has to ‘make a statement’ and hold a press conference because that’s how she thinks she can make a name for herself. She’d be better off doing something to keep the cold case missing persons hunt alive on the Diamond sisters, two little girls who disappeared in broad daylight in 2001. She’s an idiot of the worst kind.
Get over the notion that something like this is going to happen. It won’t. Period.
Moving away from the Zimmerman shit (I have my own opinion on that, but will not derail this story with it), I must say that the worst thing they could do is bring in the National Guard.
First, the ROE on the Guard will be worse than an Iraq Deployment. Hell, they will probably be told to keep the tape on top of their magazines and not have them in their weapons unless they take fire.
Second, it wouldn’t take much for a single street gang to ambush a National Guard patrol and then the street gang has military-grade weapons (which is probably a downgrade from their normal gear), armor, and vehicles.
Third, if there is an incident and a gangbanger gets shot, then the two wide-mouth bass preachers for everything black (sorry, African-American) will be so far up the National Guards ass, they will only see the light of day when the Commanding General opens his mouth. I can already hear the cries of racism. And, imagine if the banger is a kid, like 15 or 16…
Finally, this would be a last-resort measure and would probably be akin to the state invoking Martial Law on the city. Besides the lame-stream media freaking over it, the people wouldn’t be safer. They’d have to walk around with their papers at every check point, be subject to TSA-style searches just for walking their dog, and more than likely will be harassed by the hard-core wannabe Sergeants who were promoted out of dumb luck and skill.
15 or 16? Flagwaver, they start recruiting those kids in 5th grade in Chicago. By the age of 15 or 16, they are hardened criminals.
OWB: it’s actually even worse than I mentioned above. From mid-Apr 1982 until early July 2010, Chicago required all firearms to be registered, but did not allow any new firearms to be registered – period. Only re-registrations were permitted. The only lawful privately-owned firearms were thus those that were grandfathered by being registered prior to 16 April 1982. All others were either government-owned or illegal. There literally was no way for a Chicago resident to own a firearm legally unless they had one prior to the start of the ban. And you could only have it inside your house – not in your garage, or in your yard, or on the street. Additionally, only one weapon could be kept “in a useable state” at any given time.
That nonsense went on for a period of over 28 years. If that’s not an instance of de facto disarmament of the local population by legal fiat, I don’t know what is.
It literally took the SCOTUS decision in McDonald v. Chicago to end that blatant, “in your face” violation of the Second Amendment.
I say SCREW Chicago AND all of its pols. They perpetually shit in their nests as fast as they could, and now they want someone else to come shovel and wipe their asses for them! What kind of ROE’s will they give the NG personnel? Will they even be issued Weapons and Ammo, or will they just be told to apologize, smile, and hand out lollipops?
Could the members of the ILNG claim CO status and refuse to be “deployed” to Chicago?
@64, GOOD CALL!
The neighborhood watch has been around for centuries, since the dawn of modern police work. Raman noodle will not allow guard troops into his precious corrupt city. A city which is already overcrowded, mismanaged, and overliberalized. Why put a bandaid on a 50 cal wound? Let them go the way of Detroit.
@66, I hear that! Look at Hiroshima, Japan today. it’s thriving, and people are working. We literally nuked them in 1945, maybe it’s time we nuked Chicago and Detroit?
They should just nuke it from orit.
Glad to see gun control is bringing peace and non-violence to Chicago…
The first rule of engagement from Mayor Rahm Emanuel for the National Guard will be to prevent any Chic-Fil-A franchises from opening in Chicago. You have to maintain those Chicago values.