Asking for your experences with the the anti-war groups during the Vietnam War.

| July 21, 2012

I recently read one of the blogs that I avoid for this reason. This time the Rag Blog is writing about the insults and saliva that the Troops faced when they came back home. In this post they claim that it was all just a myth that never happened. That all of it was done by the media to discredit the anti-war movement.

In addition the government and its “partners” will be distributing educational materials about the war, according to the Pentagon, but it is unlikely that the Vietnamese side of the story or that of the multitude of war resisters in the U.S., civilian and military, will receive favorable attention. Many facts, including the origins of the war will undoubtedly be changed to conform to the commemoration’s main goal of minimizing Washington’s defeat and maximizing the heroism and loyalty of the troops.

Granted this is nothing new but this is the sentence that made me post about this.

Thanks for this. It’s always amazed me that people would claim returning Viet Nam vets were badly-treated in the U.S. Hell, these guys were our friends; we all knew people who went over because they personally saw no alternative. We were on their side and we welcomed them home.

Know who’s been making this shit up? The guys who backed the war but evaded service –– and who do nothing for veterans even now: the chickenhawks like Cheney and Rumsfeld and the AWOL Bush

So if you have a experience with the anti-war movement feel free to head on over there and tell them your story.

Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War

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Green Thumb

My father was drafted after flunking out of college.(68)

IN.

He fought. 2 PH’s and a BS. He never spoke about it.

Graduated with a BA upon return, then an MS. 4.0.

Funny how that works.

Cobalt-Blue

I was nine years old and was going to the Birmingham, AL airport with my grandfather to pick up my uncle Larry after he had been discharged. (It was 1972) My uncle was coming down the concourse with another soldier who was in a wheelchair. This hippie came up to them. According to my uncle he called them both baby killers and told the guy in the wheelchair that he got what he deserved. My uncle punched him in the face right there. A nearby police officer “didn’t see a thing.”

I was a backwoods kid from NW Alabama and had no real experience with hippies until then. Haven’t been able to stand them since then.

DonnaRose

Ya know, I remember wearing the POW/MIA Bracelets. I remember the Images, including the hideous spitting and jeering by the *hippies* and *peaceniks* back in the day. I was only 10~12 years old, but I remember, and it shaped my life. I was absolutely disgusted by how our boys were treated when they came home, more so as I grew up. I make a point to thank every single veteran for their service. I know many people who do the same, and all share the same stories. Vietnam Vets reduced to tears by a simple acknowledgement of their service. Full~blown smiles and stories of faith and courage.
Stay away from these Lefty Freaks. They do not live in our world, nor will they ever. Thank you all for your Service, and God Bless and Keep You <3

Green Thumb

@2.

I know the Auburn/Lake Martin area.

You?

Gotta love Dixie.

Settles

Funny. My Dad will be glad to hear that he wasn’t really spit on in SFO by a hippie piece of shit.

SGT B

My Dad served as an advisor in Vietnam, and when he came back he was spit on… So was his kid…

Fuck them.

Lee1/75

Fucking oxygen thieves…

Green Thumb

@5

You should check out the greater NW.

Many of those clowns wound up in the world of academia here in trout country.

Sad. As a grad student, I hear them spout that BS all the time. Defense budget is the problem, our laws are oppressive, we do not help our fellow mankind, etc.

The irony is that alot of that grant money went dry after the war(s) started. State Department restrictions on travel and allocation and all…

They love our Muslim brothers and sisters but cannot figure out why they are not allowed to travel overseas… and of course they turn a blind eye to the slaughter in Syria. It is not there problem if innocent people die, they are just pissed they cannot travel there to study water rights and how it effects the culture.

So in return, due to a slack and narrow mindset, they blame the military (government), publicly (in class) or anybody else that might have interfered with their “career” progression, I might add.

Once again, funny how that works.

Fuck the “Ivory Tower”.

Turds.

cacti35

I got back in April 1969 just after Tet which was my 19th birthday. I spent 3 years in the Army, volunteered, even volunteered for Vietnam because Germany duty was nothing but shining boots, KP and guard duty with an unloaded weapon. I spent the final 9 months at Ft. Lewis pushing troops which I did enjoy working with the trainees. We were told upfront to avoid uniforms off post. Of course back then it was only class A off post unless you were traveling to and from the base. It seemed to me that no one spoke about Vietnam except Rather and Crokite. When I got out, I worked construction, no one talked about being a vet or being in a combat zone. It was like no one really give a shit. My folks did not ask about it, I just kept it to myself. Until 2000, thanks to the internet a bunch of guys found each other and started a Regimental association. Still the only time I talk about it is with the guys that were there with the exception if my kids growing up pissed and moaned about how hard they had to work, I would tell them what it was like to be on ambush for days at a time, and how shitty the heat and dirt could be. No one spit on me, I would have probably kicked the hell out of them if they didn’t get me first. I avoided Seattle, it was full of hippies. I still cringe when I see one of the shitheads!

cacti35

RE: 9, I meant to say I got back stateside in April of 1968, I ETS’d in March 1969. Getting CRS.

SJ

I was “there” in 67-68 (i.e. TET) with the 1/101 and 3/82nd (ABN). I left the Army after DEROS from VN in Dec ’68 because…who knows? 6 months later I had enough of civilians and civilian companies who were more chicken shit in procedures than the Green Machine. I recall a Savings Bond drive and coercion that would make a SGM blush to get 100%. Whilst I had a great civilian career in front of me, I came back in. Sure glad I did. But luck played a lot.

I never encountered the hate then but I was in Jacksonville Fla, not exactly a hippie mecca. A few years later the Army sent me to U of Fla for an MBA. I attended classes and dressed like everyone else (but I did not go native). I also volunteered to assist the ROTC detachment in some training and one day I did that and then came to my MBA classes in Class A Greens (albeit not as medal’ed out as some of the winners here). I did not wear bloused Cochrans so I was Leg in appearance. My fellow students were shocked that I was a Soldier since I had been so “normal” in their eyes for the past months. It was an awakening. Here was a guy just like them with a family and not a psycho. I was reasonably intelligent (or at least created that illusion). Their actions over the next few days was interesting. Lot’s of sidebar conversations. I probably helped recruiting. But, U of F was not a lib hot bed then.

Ex-PH2

The fall of 1967, I was living at Quarters K in Arlington, VA, across from the Pentagon. (Qtrs. K was later torn down and replaced by the Tri-Service barracks at Ft. Myers. Is it still there?) There was a protest going on at the Pentagon. The draft card burners were trying to get into the Pentagon building, to destroy the draft files. I saw the MPs dragging them out of the building and stayed away from it, although this drifty WAVE I knew went down there to see what was going on.
I didn’t see anything again until after the Kent State shootings in 1970. I was driving from the Navy Photo Center to the Pentagon, in a Navy station wagon with U.S. Navy clearly showing on the door, wearing my uniform. Pulled up to a stoplight just in time for a crowd to spot me and gather around the car, yelling and pounding on the windshield and windows. When the DC police showed up, the protesters left.
Also, my sister-in-law went to a protest rally in 1970. And my sister was doing her doctorate work at Ohio State when a sit-in began and turned violent. She was told to leave the campus for her own safety.
Whoever says those things didn’t happen wasn’t there.

SJ

Re #11…a PS: Did have great pleasure in working at the Pentagon in the 70’s when the hippies would attempt to block the entrances. I used the North Parking entrance by the POAC where they would all lay down on the bridge. The Pentagon Police would just smile and tell us to just walk over them. We did and that was sweet! Hippies ended up with some sore bones.

bads

Poor grammar incoming:
There are instances where soldiers are spit on in this new generation. It not only happened then but it still does today.

Big Samoan walking in what ever you call San Francisco airport got spit on by a tiny Asian lady. Thankfully my buddy was to stunned to react.

Recently ETS’d soldier (with Post decals still on camaro) comes out of a bar (in California) with a guy sitting on his car. Soldier says “what the f dude?” Guy gets up and spits in his face. Guy gets throat punched and moans on ground while soldier drives away.

One of these is my experience one is someone who I trust wholeheartedly. I do not know if its a California thing but it still goes on.

Green Thumb

@9

Cacti!

Blanka

That’s a pretty low blow, discrediting history and twisting the truth in that manner. I interviewed a number of Vietnam vets for my next book. They would sorely disagree with those statements. You know, the thing that kills me is that the concept of being a hippie sounds so loving and free, but the more I look the ones who are politically “active,” so to speak, the more I see a two-faced and mooching image.

Blanka


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And I really like psychedelic shirts and John Lennon.

cacti35

It did happen, not to me though. I worked construction and most of the hard hat types were O.K. I do have to say that it warms my heart today to see the young men and women in the armed forces be shown some respect!

I tested for the University of Washington Police Dept in 1973, I was in the top 10 but did not get hired. I look at it as an unanswered prayer like Garth Brooks sings about. The chief whom I got to know 20 years later was actually a Vietnam vet and had been a young Lt. I think he saved me by not hiring me. I don’t believe I could have handled the war protest crowd in a politically correct way. I was destined to be a deputy sheriff in more conservative country.

blacksheep 23

I returned to the states (SF), November, 1969, from Japan (wounded in August, spent three months at 106th Gen. Hosp., Yokohama). We were herded from the plane along a boarded up fence line to buffer us from the protestors behind another fence line. There was a lot of yelling and a few thumps could be heard as something hit the opposite side of the boards.

Fast forward 36 years and I am returning from Iraq (DFW), February, 2005. Two Fire Truck’s water cannons are shooting streams of water over our plane as we taxi to the terminal. The greeting we receive is a 180 compared to the greeting in returning from Vietnam. As I thought of the two homecomings, not ashamed to say, my walk from the plane to my family and friends was a teary one.

RandyB
John Robert Mallernee

I never got spit on, but – – -,

While dressed in my Class “A” uniform, and waiting to cross the street in downtown Portland, Oregon, someone in a passing car threw a beer bottle at me.

It was a bit of a shock, for I had just returned from Viet Nam, and was so proud to be wearing my Army Class “A” uniform with my Bronze Star ribbon on my chest, and the 101st Airborne “Screaming Eagle” patch on my right shoulder.

But, people seemed to hate me and my uniform.

Another time, I was walking along a road in California, and a car tried to run me down.

And, yet another time, I was hitch-hiking back to my post at Hunter Liggett Military Reservation, and was picked up by a young couple, man and wife, who told me how stupid it was for me to be in the Army and having gone to Viet Nam.

When I was on leave from Viet Nam, I was very surprised to have a Viet Nam veteran in my church tell me how stupid it was for me to be returning to Viet Nam.

Actually, at the time I was drafted into the Army (I wasn’t allowed to enlist, so I had to volunteer for the Draft), a whole lot of guys were doing anything and everything they possibly could to AVOID military service.

Back then, it was kind of tough with everybody in the whole world constantly telling me over and over again about how I was stupid for being in the Army, and how I was going to be killed in Viet Nam.

Not only that, but I was in the Army, and in Viet Nam, at a time when troop morale was at its lowest point, so I was constantly surrounded by guys with negative attitudes, racial conflicts, and rampant drug use.

So, under those conditions, it was hard being a gung ho soldier, and believing in what you were doing.

John Miska

When we graduated Basic our drill sargent took all of us on orders to DLIWC to the PX and gave us vouchers to get civilian clothes for travel to the west coat. We were then instructed to travel in those clothes to DLI as we would have to pass thru SF. A lot of good those clothes did because we were the guys wuth short hair picking up army duffle bags while carrying army awol bags as carry ons.

There was some name calling at the baggage claim but i was on opposite side waiting for my bag but the anti war crowd did their chanting and Name calling until our transport to Monterrey arrived……
I did not see anyone spiy on but some hippy chics did get right in your face spewing spittle as they profaned guys who had never even yet deployed…..
We were all fresh from basic and it was an eye opener.
Monterrey was different ..
It was a Military town and Most folks there liked us and watched out for us….Now all that was 40 plus years ago.

upon return to conus our bus had chicken wire over the windows as we did get stuff throw at buses, I never saw it but there were a number of dents and cracked windows on that bus showing that it had run a gauntlet a few times.

While deployed a buddy got sent dogshit brownies in a care package from parties unknown. He just trashed then box and all.

SGT Mike, RVN '69

Came back from RVN, had a set of winter greens sewn by a SF civilian who thought it’d be funny to make me look like a clown.

SGT Mike, RVN '69

Came back from RVN, had a set of winter greens sewn by a SF civilian who thought it’d be funny to make me look like a clown. Walked to my SF Intl plane withh an MP escort.

defendUSA

Worked for a PA in the Army who used to have flashbacks–in particular, when an ANG C-130 crashed near North Ft. Hood. Our TMC and docs were the responders. Mr.Swann came back and was having a hard time. Said he stayed in the Army to avoid what all of his friends had to deal with…the hate and that being around like minds was his saving grace, no matter how hard the job was. And this call was a bad one. Can’t remember how many of them made it, but we had to view the pics to see the effects of this type of incident. I never forgot it.

I also remember being with my mother when I was 8 or so in New Haven, CT. Someone spit on a dude wearing what I think were Jungle fatigues as he was walking by. My mother squeezed the shit out of my hand and said how disrespectful it was. And she stopped, fished a tissue out of her purse and caught up with the man to give it to him. Maybe that was the start of my wanting to be a soldier, I don’t know. Another thing I never forgot.

Zero Ponsdorf

SFO – late April, 1969. In uniform.

Spit at, not on. Got the guy next to me.

Got called a “baby killer” by several pukes.

Hid out at home for a coupla months and then joined the Free Love hippies (not anti-war), politics was boring ya see?

OTOH I could tolerate a small amount of politics when spouted by a half naked, barefoot, and nubile young hippie chick. I was weak.

AW1 Tim

I missed Vietnam. I graduated HS in 1973 and joined the ROTC at Utah State University same year. In ’74, the unit was holding an award ceremony for a couple members who were former enlisted who HAD been in Vietnam.

The formation was being held on the quad and we were almost surrounded by the anti-war hate mongers, urged on by the Young Socialists Alliance. These folks kept pushing in on us and then suddenly started throwing shit. I git hit by a balloon filled with red paint, blood, and God knows what else. Ruined my uniform and broke my glasses.

I had to have my eyes flushed out, and the Doc at the ER I went to (the hospital in Logan) gave me a script for antibiotics just to be on the safe side.

I HATE those bastards to this day. Every damned one of them. It’s true what I heard back then, that “Hell hath no fury like a pacifist.”

JP

It does happen on some occasions with the current generation.

When I got out in ’05, I was at a friend’s party once and there was a (pretty drunk) guy talking shit about the illegal invasion of Iraq, us killing women and children for oil, military being for people who were too dumb to go to college, blah blah blah.

I just smiled and let him rant. Then I offered to get him a beer, and went into the bathroom, pissed in his a Solo cup, brought it back to him and had a great laugh as he took a hearty swig and started vomiting as he realized that warm, golden goodness was in fact, not beer.

Yeah…I’m fucked up like that.

Beretverde

A lot has been written about San Francisco due to people arriving at Travis, then onto SFO for other destinations. I saw numerous incidents while living there.

I was at Kezar Stadium in San Francisco in 1970. We had season tickets. It was the 49ers home field then. During the season when the National Anthem was played, I could see scattered about, people refusing to stand… just sat during the anthem. This happened at every game.

On the Marina Green Park, the hippies would fly these super high altitude kites with wire. They did this to fuck up the approach onto the Presidio’s Crissy Field. It drove my “buddy” nuts on checkrides. A few years later I learned the Army banned fixed wing aircraft and made it rotary only for Crissy Field.

At a movie theater (I think it was the Balboa in the Richmond District) I went to see Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. The prices were posted on the old black waffle board with the pin-on white lettering(not sure of the exact prices) Children $1.00, Adults $2.25, Military in Uniform $3.50. I will NEVER forget that sign.

The hippies were going to storm the Presidio for a protest. It was an open post, and it never materialized. I guess they were too fucked up on where to meet? It made the papers. Mayor Alioto quashed that one!

cacti35

Who among us old bastards remember the the CBS special done in the 70′ shortly before the U.S. pulled out. It was called “Charlie Company”. It focused on some infantry platoon that was led by a nutless Lt. The guys openly smoked dope, blowing the smoke into a 12 guage and another guy sucking on the barrel. They showed one scene that the guys voted in a democratic fashion if they wanted to go on a daytime patrol. I recall it made it sound like the whole Army was like this bunch. I was one pissed off SOB watching that. The news media had it’s way with that war. They went out of their way to make the G.I. look bad. @28 Outstanding move!!

Richard

I posted this on their site. Left my email address too.

In 1974 I was traveling through the Seattle airport in uniform. I went outside to smoke. At the doorway out of the secure area a crowd of anti-war people was waiting along both sides of the rail. They shouted “baby killer” and spit on me. Don’t say it didn’t happen because it did. Some time after that we received orders that we didn’t have to travel in uniform. Active duty people and veterans held up their right hand and swore to protect and defend the Constitution — they agreed to give their life to serve the rest of us. If you don’t appreciate and value that I do not know how you can look at yourself in the mirror.

RangerX

“That all of it was done by the media to discredit the anti-war movement.”

Media discrediting the anti-war movement?

What alternate reality bullshit is this?!?

Green Thumb

@28.

Impressive restraint.

I hear you though, I listen to that BS all the time in more public forums.

These are the same turds who will be the first in line complaining if the Government cuts financial aid, grant money, free medical care, etc.

The irony is that I keep an open mind and usually look at things both ways before making a decision. Much unlike their decision making process.

They hate the military but yet refuse to get a job or be a contributor to society.

Turds.

OWB

Cannot add anything from back in the day, but heard plenty of stories at the time. It was thoroughly disgusting.

My time came in 2004, and on more than one occasion. I became involved in the “anti-sKerry wars” which brought out the dirty beasties in all their glory, with their kids and grandchildren. A group of vets from the area found ourselves formed into a little band of fairly rabid anti-sKerry activists who took to the streets regularly.

We had idiots spitting on us, calling us names, etc. Perhaps the most horrific thing they did was to send their small children over to scream obsenities at us. The police actually had to tell the loons to keep their children with them and quiet or they would be removed from the streets.

One day I was actually grateful that the clown getting in my face was wearing a mask because he ended up with most of his spittal on himself instead of me.

I took particular delight in a running battle I had with the local head of the so-called Patriots for Peace. When he would appear on local talk radio I would invariably call in and he would get soooo upset that he called me a baby-killer several times on the air. It was a hoot.

Oh, and the guy wearing the mask admitted to me that he had done the same things and worse, then itemized a list of things he had thrown on guys returning from VietNam. He certainly made it sound credible. Or maybe he was a wannabe. At least he hadn’t read the memo about denying that it ever happened.

John Robert Mallernee

I just now remembered something.

When I was in Washington, D.C., a wounded Iraq veteran in a wheelchair was downtown watching a parade, or a festival, or something – – – I can’t remember exactly what the occasion was.

But, anyway, a war protester, probably from the group, CODE PINK, actually did spit on that wounded veteran sitting in a wheelchair!

I know about it because it was front page news, and all over the Internet.

So, check the archives and maybe you can find the original news report.

At the time, I think that wounded veteran was probably still being treated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

Sean

There is a CBS evening news report from December 27th 1971 where a SP/4 Medic named Delmar Pickett Jr. is interviewed by Charles Collingwood about being spit on in the Seattle airport when returning home. So much for the claims it was only in the 80s that this came up. The video exists at the Vanderbuilt Television archive.

http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/diglib-fulldisplay.pl?SID=20120722769744873&code=tvn&RC=214568&Row=1

NHSparky

Shit, I was called names, told how only “stupid” people enlist, although not spit on.

And this was in the 90’s.

Hondo

Yet another attempt by the left at an Orwellian “rectifying” of history.

Twist

It is still happening to a lesser extent. A buddy of mine got refused service at a local dentist office. The secretary asked him for his insurance card. He handed her his Military ID. She told him in front of a crowded waiting room “we refuse service to anyone in the Military”. He told me that half of the waiting room got up and left. I did not witness this first hand, but I had the pleasure of listening to him call the main office to lodge his complaint and threaten to sue.

1stCavRVN11B

The author, Jack A. Smith, is nothing but a pussy. Always was and always will be. Stands behind the 1st Amendment but sure didn’t contribute to the wars that protected it. Wouldn’t piss on ’em if he was on fire. Seems he’s still trying to justify his cowardness.

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