Stein to be discharged
MCPO NYC USN (Ret.) sends us a link to the story that Oathkeeper/Ron Paulian Michael Stein is being discharged for the Marines for his inability to stop posting his thoughts about the President and the upcoming election on a Facebook presence entitled “Armed Forces Tea Party” despite warnings from his leaders. From Fox News;
“I love the Marine Corps, I love my job. I wish it wouldn’t have gone this way. I’m having a hard time seeing how 15 words on Facebook could have ruined my nine-year career,” he told The Associated Press.
Gary Kreep, an attorney for Stein, said he would pursue administrative appeals within the Marine Corps but anticipates the effort will be denied. He said he planned to file an amended complaint in federal court.
“As long as he wants to pursue this, we will be supporting him,” said Kreep, who is executive director of the United States Justice Foundation, an advocacy group.
He can say he loves the Marine Corps, but apparently he doesn’t love it so much that he’ll follow directions. You can say anything you want, as long as you don’t use your uniform to say it. That’s two who’ve been punished this year for making statements in uniform – Jesse Thorsen and Michael Stein. Both of them were Paulians – and both thought the rules didn’t apply to them and their actions have resulted in more Power Point presentations for the rest of us. Yeah, I got one, too, a few weeks ago.
And, yeah, his unfortunately named lawyer, Mr. Kreep, will continue to drag this through the courts as long as Stein has the means to pay…which might not be much longer.
Category: Military issues, Ron Paul
Good riddance.
The minute this clown stopped following orders from higher up in the chain of command, is the minute his attention seeking arse lost any credibility with me, not that he really had any to begin with.
This ain’t an order to gun down civilians in cold blood, this is a simple order to get a cold mug of STFU and conduct yourself in a proper military bearing, like you are being told to.
Hope the door doesn’t hit his ass on the way out.
The wars are over and standards are going up while the .mil is cutting troops….so I’m going to repeatedly piss off higher? What makes sense about these thoughts?
The USMC takes discipline seriously. It’s funny that Stein, as an Oathkeeper, preaches personal responsibility, yet his defenders are all making excuses for him. Oh, so now you want a bailout? How “un-American” and “big government” of you, Mr. Stein, former US Marine.
This screams of, “When Keepin’ it real goes horribly wrong…”, but I have a feeling this isn’t going to be the last we will hear of him. I think the Marines have created a martyr for the oathkeeper movement.
By the way I am glad I can say Obama is a shitbird…
IMHO this kinda crap wouldn’t be happening now if recruit training was still conducted as it was 35+ years ago. They pounded into you, literally, immediate obedience to orders. His superiors told him to STFU and he didn’t. I feel no pity, no empathy, no SHIT for him. He had his chance and he didn’t take it. To forkin’ bad. I hope the Corps gives him his favorite meal, a Big Chicken Dinner!?
As a Tea Party supporter, and a former member of the “Armed Forces Tea Party” (I liked them on Facebook in the beginning), I can say that like all good things, it eventually went too far, and I quickly “unliked” them.
Do I disagree with his comments about the current administration, and their policies, I even still have questions about the “birth certificate” that was provided, but it is not my place to say “I will NOT follow orders from this President.” (I will, but like most infantrymen, I will bitch about it, to my peers, make jokes about it, and move on.
DAMN IT!!!
Meant to say
“I do NOT disagree” instead of “Do I disagree”
Sorry, my bust.
As others have said before on TAH: “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
An order must be followed so long as it’s not an order to do something obviously illegal, like shoot an unarmed POW. And an order from one’s chain-of-command to cease political activities while in uniform or while publicly parading oneself as a member of the military is NOT an illegal order. Rather, it is merely a reminder of what Federal law (the Hatch Act) and the UCMJ require all Federal employees, military or civilian, to do: refrain from political activity while on duty or while in any capacity acting as an employee of the US government. Making public political statements while also publicly stating you hold an official position with the Federal government, either military or civilian, is a huge NO-GO.
This guy is an idiot, and got what he deserved for failing to cease and desist. Frankly, he’s lucky he didn’t get a court-martial for disobeying orders.
Simply stated … the oath covers it all. Including following the orders of the PRESIDENT (whether you agree with his politics or not): <> In summary, the former SGT failed to honor his agreement, contract, and oath to his Nation. He stated that he would not obey the orders of the President of the United States. Therefore, he was properly removed from service and issued an Other Than Honorable Discharge. More on the Military Oath of Enlistment: Federal law requires everyone who enlists or re-enlists in the Armed Forces of the United States to take the enlistment oath. The oath of enlistment into the United States Armed Forces is administered by any commissioned officer to any person enlisting or re-enlisting for a term of service into any branch of the military. The officer asks the person, or persons, to raise their right hand and repeat the oath after him. The oath is traditionally performed in front of the United States Flag and other flags, such as the state flag, military branch flag, and unit guidon may be present. In the Armed Forces EXCEPT the National Guard (Army or Air) I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. In the National Guard (Army or Air) I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God. Guide… Read more »
Steins an idiot craphouse lawyer. I know several “hooah” type guys that were very good NCOs and soldiers that fell into that idiocy in 2003-04 regarding deployment lengths.