Crocodile tears for the police
Sporkmaster sent this link yesterday from the Atlantic in which the author says that he doesn’t blame the police for their “brutality” at UC Davis, but rather he blames the “system”.
A regular guy named John Pike has become the new face of evil among people following the Occupy protests around the country. The UC Davis police officer’s matter-of-fact pepper spraying of seated, obviously peaceful students has provoked justifiable outrage. James Fallows summed up the situation with his usual precise moral compass. “This is what happens when authority is unaccountable and has lost any sense of human connection to a subject population,” he wrote. “That’s what I think here.”
What Alexis Madrigal and the filthy fucking hippies fail to accept is that the police have a responsibility to the 99% of us who are going about our daily lives, working and taking care of our families and NOT protesting for socialism and communism, to keep the peace and to keep us safe.
Like you do with a two-year-old child, you have to set boundaries so that the child doesn’t resort to more dangerous behavior. Personally, I’d like to see the police use batons and fire hoses on hippies who think they own the streets, but that’s not my call, fortunately for the hippies.
I don’t know how many times I’ve seen hippies yell and verbally attack police for doing their jobs like keeping sidewalks clear for regular pedestrians.
One female security guard at the National Archives was verbally assaulted by IVAW and VFP members because she tried to prevent from crawling out on the National Archives’ facade. I had to intervene to prevent them from attacking her physically, so they switched to attacking me, the pussies.
But the thing is, the cops have a responsibility to protect us from the 1% – the hippies – more than they have a responsibility to protect the so-called civil rights of the hippies to disrupt our lives.
Category: I hate hippies, Occupy
The lefty blogs are going ape over this. I have seen comments calling for outright murder of the police officers. I have seen the officer’s name and telehone number published. It’s unbelievable what these detached-from-reality people(?)are saying. As for this pic, the video shows the officer spraying only those seated on the sidewalk. Those seated on parts of the little sit-in that extend to the grass on either side of the sidewalk are not sprayed. The video I viewed had no sound, meaning the verbal instructions that were no doubt issued repeatedly cannot be heard.
One can only hope he reloaded and reversed direction.
Brilliant! People too stupid to follow simple instructions like “Move your stupid carcasses off the sidewalk so that normal people can use it” get all upset when the natural order of things results in them getting ouchies.
This is all planned to produce sympathy for their cause. Yeah, right. Idiots.
Here is one with Audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6AdDLhPwpp4
They do spray people on the grass, but where they cut off spraying people is not an issue. While I agree that we need to fix some stuff in our country the majority of OWS are Anarcho Communists, but Police actions like these do nothing but prime the pump for more stupid shit to happen down the road.
We have no clue how long they had been sitting there, what commands they ignored, what actions were taken by police beforehand to remove them or what the protestors had done earlier. Really no clue what happened around this event before or after but in a 1:05 minute long vacuum what that officer did was not right.
RE#4:
“….but Police actions like these do nothing but prime the pump….”. What would be appropriate? To offer coupons to Mickey D’s for those who do the good thing and move soon?
I still have my six D-cell Maglite from my days as an MP. I’d love to volunteer to put it to good use.
@5 I’m not 100% sure what would be the right way to handle it, maybe try to pull them out one by one and deal with resistors one by one, but I’m not an LEO. What I do know though is that this was the wrong way to handle it. Spraying a line of sitting people who are non violently resisting accomplishes nothing but inciting more anger in everyone involved on both sides of the fence.
Again though, we have no idea what happened leading up to this or directly afterwords so we don’t know what methods were tried or not tried in those time periods. No doubt these guys were breaking some ordinance or law or the cops wouldn’t have been there like they were. Protestors weren’t in the right either, but the escalation of force presented in this 1:05 long video looked un-needed and counter productive.
Let’s be clear here – these stupid pukes are terrorists!
It matters not what the “appropriate” response is or even if the police response is appropriate. These terrorists will escalate and continue escalating no matter what sort of “reasonable” response they see.
Anyone who is so delusional as to think otherwise is a detached from reality as are the occuturds.
No, not all occuturds are terrorists. Many really are simply useful idiots being manipulated by the terrorist wing of the party.
The fact that they are fringe and may not represent everyone in the movement is quite irrelevant. They are dangerous, as are all fanatics.
@8 – Doesn’t that sort of rhetoric detract from defining real terrorists? Unless of course, you draw no distinction between OWS and Al Qaeda……
Spraying for bugs, what’s the problem?
Visit the lefty blogs. Walk around. Kick a tire or two. I’m telling you that some of these imbeciles are talking murder, not civil disobedience. Whether they are all talk, one can only hope but there seems always to be one, two, or three knuckleheads who think they are furthering the cause by targeting uniforms for violence.
Well,, #1, he shouldn’t be wearing his name tag, and he should have taped his badge. So, even if the Police have video of what transpired, I doubt that any of the newsies would run it. They’re heavily invested in the Occutards and OWS, so that would be counterproductive for them.
“Maybe try to pull them out one by one and deal with resistors one by one”. They did, the Occutards have already locked arms and are NOT cooperating, so the next step is OC.
@9 No. Knowing the proper definition of a word and being able to correctly apply it is only part of what defines me as a grown-up.
If you say so…..
Nothing says “disperse” like OC. Don’t want to get sprayed? MOVE
# 4, 8, 9, 11 and John. Some of these guys are terrorists. The hippies are for the most part just filthy, dirty, useless drug freaks who are not in physical shape to pose much of a threat of violence. The communists and far left socialists are few in number. They consider themselves leaders of an important movement who cannot spare themselves to become martyrs although they are in their minds prepared to unleash extreme violence, but only through others. But they do have their temporary thugs who do not share their political aspirations. These are the antifas and the anarchists. They are young, healthy, dress in black and frequently wear masks. Those were the ones a couple of weeks ago who busted up property all along a march including the attack on Whole Foods. I have seen several antifa patches on these guys and and the antifa logo chalked on the street. These two groups are terrorists. Get on the internet and see what they have done over in Europe over the last 5 years. They do 20 times the violence the muslims do over there, except for the banilieu carbeques. Go back 100 years and the anarchists were nothing but bomb throwing SOBs. I expect them to be back to that soon. And they often support the muslim extremists over there by attacking conservative meetings. These guys truly must be stopped in this country. They will be in Chicago next year for the G-8 summit. One suggestion I have is to make it a felony, state and federal, to wear a mask at a protest. The masks are used to hide identities and make prosecution difficult. This law allows the cops to grab them before the trouble starts.
We dont know, and unless we get unaltered video, we will never know what happened before this video was shot. This video http://www.youtube.com/user/asucd#p/u has some interesting dialogue concerning the influx of students and the reporter herself states that the cops are surrounded by students. I wont vouch for the validity of OCing the seated students but it seems to me that the situation had gotten out of control.
As a side note, the last 30 seconds of this video are moderately entertaining. A student states that the college should address them as adults rather than as children. As my husband pointed out, this is reminiscent of the protest group Students Wildly Indignant about Nearly Everything (SWINE) from the comic strip Lil Abner.
Well, I just heard on the news that this LEO and another LEO have just been suspended for using excessive force and have been prohibited from returning to work pending an “investigation”…nothing says F*ck your buddies like being punished for doing their jobs…*sigh*
Suspending the cops? Chalk up another win for the idiots. What a shame.
Hell if that was going to happen he should’ve made it count, i.e. blood, teeth and broken bones everywhere, unleash the tasers and dogs, even better deploy dogs WITH tasers.
Well, it is the UC Davis where deference by the grown ups to the children has always been the order of the day. Moreover, they are calling for the chancellor’s resignation–and at her salary, you can bet she’ll toss a few campus cops aside. The investigation is being expedited, no doubt to ensure due process before the two officers at issue are canned.
Wait, they suspended two of the LEO’s? If true, it had better have been what appears to be the police sergeant standing behind this officer. Otherwise, he’s got a valid defense, backed up by pics. He was under immediate supervision of a superior officer, who saw nothing wrong in his actions, given the circumstances, and saw nothing there to cause his relief.
But, it is California, and academia, they’ll throw anyone under the bus.
The correct action is to give 1 (count it 1) warning that if they do not comply with lawful commands then non-lethal (but extremely painful) force will be used.
I think of this rather like spanking a child. Heaven forbid you reinforce that what a child did was wrong by causing some non-harmful sting to remind him/her that their actions have consequences. to fail to respond is only to invite more undesired behavior. In this way people learn to act properly, and perhaps actually act in a legitimately adult manner.
All OWS has shown this far is that some people didn’t learn some very important lessons as a child.
The AT&T rule usually works pretty good. Ask, tell, take, however, the sitution dictates exactly where you start on that rule.
Personally I like the idea of spraying them with water better than pepper spray. First soak ’em with a nice steady stream. If they don’t move, then turn it up and blast ’em….Most of them could use a bath anyhow.
Anyone here still wondering why I said screw it to Californuckistan now?
And here a lot of you guys were posing as people who supported and defened freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. So much for that sham. It’s now apparent you only support free speech if it’s speech you happen to agree with.
Hey, look, Joey typed something stupid, yet again. You have no idea of what happened there, other than the selectively edited video, from an Occutard. So, don’t get your panties in a wad over “freedom of speech”, mmm-kay? And, “freedom of assembly” doesn’t give anyone the right to block entrance to anything.
Joey: This is probably your home site but, on the outside chance that you lost the link, go here:
http://www.infowars.com/
For anyone else who goes to the site, you’ll either laugh yourselves silly or throw your monitor into a wall.
@27. I do support the freedom of speech and assembly but when the Police says move…you move. If I parked a car on the sidewalk blocking an enterance would I not recieve a ticket? Well, what part of the Constitution gives anyone a right to sit and block an entrance to a building that don’t belong to them.
Anyway, I never understood the reasoning that just because you go to college you should feel a need to protest something just to protest. It isn’t like they are protesting anything to do with the college itself so why protest there?
In my opinion you (or more likely your parents) pay to go there to learn, not to make a total ass of yourself.
@27: Joe, you’re full of shit. Where does it say you have the right, in your free speech, to trample my right to freely move down a sidewalk, or into a building, or drive my car down the road? Why should you have the right to block my travel, or upset my going about my business? Where does it say you have the right to stop me from going to work, or stop the exercize freedom of commerce where and when I choose to do so? It doesn’t and you don’t. Go suck a grenade ya fucking commie.
Maybe Joey thinks we’ll get tired of rubbing his nose in the shit if he keeps dropping loads on the carpet then scooting his ass around.
Newsflash, Joe–freedom of speech is not absolute. And when you stop being peaceful demonstrators, you get what you deserve. As others have stated and I’ll repeat for your edification, “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
Now get over here so I can drag you over by the collar yet again….
Another thing, Joe; you block my way and you’ll be praying for pepper spray, because for one; I don’t carry pepper spray, and two; because I don’t carry pepper spray, I will use any method I need to to be able to continue on my journey unimpeded. The cops have rules of engagement; I don’t.
“The cops have rules of engagement; I don’t.”
Jeez, the day is still young but I do believe we have a winner!
Alot depends on the department’s use of force policy. Some departments want to go to pepper spray or taser before going hands on. Usually for passive resistance where people are ignoring orders, they’d go for pain compliance techniques. Anyone who has done civil distubance training with the National Guard probably knows some of these. Some police departments though feel that any hands on techniques are inherently more risky in terms of injuries to officers or offenders so they go to other methods first before resorting to hands on. The other consideration is that pain compliance and wrestling otherwise passive people off the sidewalk doesn’t look good on TV either. In that regard, the cops are screwed no matter what they do.
“In that regard, the cops are screwed no matter what they do.” That’s it in a nutshell. Propagandists will use a pic or video to portray the police as nasty creatures who delight in causing others pain, no matter how low on the use-of-force progression the police go. Verbal commands are verbal abuses. Resistance that is met by an eye, nose, and throat irritant is torture. A take down is attempted murder…and on and on.
“In that regard, the cops are screwed no matter what they do.”
“Propagandists will use a pic or video to portray the police as nasty creatures who delight in causing others pain, no matter how low on the use-of-force progression the police go.”
I guess it’s good that I’m not a cop.
@37. Yes, OT, I can see it now:
Occupier: “Hey, COP, F— you!”
Officer OT winces, starts to walk toward the guy and asks, “I’m sorry, son, what was that you said? I couldn’t quite make it out.” Now, Officer OT is within two paces of the occupier whose last conscious words, recorded on a cell phone, are “I said “Hey, Cop.” There’s a thump and then Officer OT is clearly heard to say, “Yes, I got it the first time. I was just getting confirmation.”
Used to be police used batons, and sometimes guns. It was called “brutality.” So they went to pepper spray, tasers, and gently but firmly carrying them from an area. It is still called “brutality.”
What do they want? Feather dusters and peach preserves?
@38: I saw one of the most funny things ever, about 10 years ago. The Hyatt in Minneapolis was hosting a conference of some researchers that the animal rights crowd didn’t like, so they set to organizing protests, etc. Well, they were allowed to have a march, but were told that they could not go down Nicollet, which would take them in front of the hotel. Well, they were marching along and as they came to Nicollet, the inevitable happened and the protesters broke through the line and were running towards the hotel. A news crew was doing some coverage of this and right behind the reporter they came running by. Well, also, right behind the reporter was a Minneapolis cop and as these protesters are running by screaming with their arms raised in satisfaction that they broke through this kid comes running by and gets the tonya tapper right in the mush. He drops like a wet rag and I was laughing so hard I couldn’t breathe. When my wife asked what was so funny, I couldn’t tell her, because I was still laughing. Then they ran the replay and she started laughing as well.
The moral of the story is; if you disobey where they say you can and can’t go with your little protest, bad things will probably happen to you. If you are blocking the sidewalk and I would like to travel down said sidewalk, don’t be surprised if you accidentally get a knee to the melon as I weave my way through your little blockade. If you block the road that I am trying to travel on; don’t be surprised if you wake up in the hospital with the Dodge Ram symbol tattooed on your forehead.
I guess I just don’t get the humor in watching people getting hurt and in pain.
@41: Well, what made it funny is that the smug little bastard was doing something he wasn’t supposed to be doing and paid the price. It’s that simple, Joe, even though I know you can’t understand that there are rules in society and if you break them, you pay the price.
“Go ahead, I dare ya. I double dare ya! Spray us!”
SPPPPUUUURRRT.
“Police brutality!”
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