More Guerena murder updates
Well, the media farted around long enough with the story that those Ron Paul Oathkeeper fucks got involved. Even Paulian staffer Stuart Rhodes was at the OKer’s memorial for Jose Guerena;
Supporters Rally for Iraq War Veteran Killed by SWAT Team: MyFoxPHOENIX.com
MikeM at Confederate Yankee does an excellent job of summarizing the events and the issues involved in the murder.
Beat and Release summarizes the audio from SWAT raid. Beat and Release, also includes some links to local media. Apparently, out of the 71 rounds that the Swat mob fired, only 20 or so hit Guerena – not surprising if you watch the video of the arcade-style shooting. B&R concludes;
Jose was targeted in this investigation and killed because of his DNA, not because he did anything illegal.
Sounds about right. And I wonder if the raid was scheduled for Cinco de Mayo for a reason.
ADDED: Charles sends us a link to the Danger Room‘s David Axe’s analysis of the raid.
Nearly a month after Guerena’s killing, it’s still unclear whether the Marine had any ties to a cartel. But the absence of clear evidence means we must assume he was innocent. It’s equally unclear, at least to outsiders, precisely how the shooting went down and who’s to blame.
Category: The Guerena Killing
Despite an intensive search I still haven’t been able to dig up the other 400 pages of documents the media claims were released. If anyone knows where they are hiding, I’d appreciate the info.
I have to take issued with this paragraph from David Axe’s summary:
“One thing is clear. With military-grade vehicles, armor, assault weapons and robots, the raid on Guerena’s home was all but indistinguishable from the kind of house-clearing operations U.S. forces perform every day in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
The Guerena raid was vastly different than those done in the combat zones.
Having served and supervised some of those former military ‘house-clearers’ on the street, I can unequivocally state that comparing those raids to the Charlie Foxtrot in Pima County does a great disservice to the military.
As an aside, you Paulians/Oathkeepers can stop spamming me with your Smedley Butler retrospectives. Butler never wrote a book – it was a five page pamphlet and a speech – which was printed in the socialist magazine “Common Sense”. He was also involved in a conspiracy by WALL STREET interests to overthrow the Roosevelt Administration and install a fascist government.
Don’t you see the irony of your icon, who claimed to be against war profiteers and then being involved in a Wall Street conspiracy to overthrow the government?
This fucking line of you Paulian fucks that only you have ever read a book is tiring. Keep your stupid Roman and founding fathers’ pseudonyms out of my inbox. Go play with the only friend you have who doesn’t make fun of you in the dank, dark basement of your antecedents and forget you ever heard of TAH.
I just wonder how they are going to get around the fact that people with illegal gains from drug cartels do not generally work the night shift at dangerous and physically difficult jobs like say, copper mining.
If you have proof Sheriff Doofenschmirtz, now would be the time to show at least something. Otherwise, someone should be contacting the Attorney General (as in Holder)and Dennis K. Burke, United States Attorney for the District of Arizona,
regarding a 42 U.S.C. section 1983 complaint (civil rights violation). These asshats acted under color of authority and deprived Guerena of his most fundamental civil right. If the Guerena family’s lawyer is not calling the US Attorney daily, he is not earning his keep.
And one more thing Sheriff, what is “sealed” and what is released to the public is up to the court, not you jerk wad.
#4 Susan:
Extracurricular activities after 12 hours in a mine does not seem credible to me either.
The part of the second B&R (which needs an RSS feed so I can subscribe) article that stood out most to me was this:
Pima County Deputy William Fosmire, who was outside the house, told detectives he thought bullets were aimed at his colleagues because “we were briefed before that the muscle of the DTO (drug trafficking organization) was at this house.”
Worse than undisciplined SWAT members by far is the department screwing up the intel on this operation in multiple ways. Not only did they greenlight the raid while unsure of the location of the wife and child, they told the SWAT members to expect armed and dangerous resistance. The only reason Cpl. Guerena’s wife and child weren’t killed in the hail of bullets is his proaction in getting them tucked away in the closet and dumb luck that none of the bullets got to them. Cpl. Guerena’s death is as much on the heads of whomever told the SWAT team to expect a fight as it is on those who pulled the triggers.
I liked both analysis’s. Mike and Beat and Release did extremely well with what they have currently available.
Thank you gentlemen! Excellent work!
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Beat and Release, I’ll go nosing around see if I can locate that info you wanted.
Paulites taint all they come in contact with.
Oathkeepers don’t.
Ain’t a whole lot of difference between Paulbots and Oathkeepers, Frankly. Sorry, but it is what it is.
I’m unfamiliar with Oathkeepers. Would you mind explaining your position?”
The saddest part of this whole episode? it was ignored for so long that when people finally did pay any attention to what happened it, *somehow* drew in all the moonbats, so legitimate questions will be scoffed at because some of the people asking them are with “THOSE” people.
While I’ve never heard of “Oathkeepers” I would have to assume they are another fringe group.