Morman church shooter is reported to be an Iraq War Veteran
Thomas Jacob reportedly ran his truck into a Morman church in Michigan before firing on congregants. Jacob was shot dead by a couple of officers at the scene as the Morman chapel burned. Officials found improvised devices in the area. Jacob’s Facebook account has him as having served in Iraq from 2004 to 2009. Seven victims are in stable condition and two were reported dead as of the article’s posting date. One person is also reported to be in critical condition.
From Daily Mail:
At least two people have died and eight more are injured after a gunman set fire to a Mormon church in Michigan before shooting at congregants.
Police said a 40-year-old man opened fire on hundreds of people, including children, who had gathered for a service at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc about 10.25am on Sunday.
The suspect was named as Iraq War veteran Thomas Jacob Sanford during a brief press conference held by police at 5pm.
According to Facebook, Sanford has a wife and kids, and he served in Iraq from 2004 until 2009.
The gunman, who authorities said was from nearby Burton, was shot dead by officers at the scene as flames engulfed the chapel.
Seven victims remain in stable condition in hospital and at least one person is in critical condition.
Grand Blanc Township Police Chief William Renye said the suspect rammed his vehicle through the front door of the building before opening fire with an assault rifle.
As of Sunday afternoon three improvised devices were discovered, two senior U.S. law enforcement officials said, per NBC News.
Renye told a press conference that police and FBI detectives are ‘still determining how the fire started’ but they believe it was ‘deliberately set by the suspect’.
‘Ten gunshot victims have been transported to local hospitals at this time including one who has been confirmed deceased,’ Renye said. The death toll was later updated to two after a second victim died of a gunshot wound in hospital.
‘We do believe we will find additional victims once the scene has been secured,’ Renye added, implying that police believe some congregants burned alive.
‘The (church) service was active,’ Renye said. ‘There were more than a hundred people inside the church at the time.’
Additional Reading:
Parnaby, L., & Chain, B. (2025, September 28). Iraq war veteran Thomas Sanford identified as Michigan church shooter who ‘planted 3 bombs and killed 2’. Daily Mail. Link.
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Open season on churches and their congragants seems to be happening more and more lately.
Anything representing what the left sees as a threat is under threat of attack… Conservativism, Christianity, gun ownership, the nuclear family, etc. We’re seeing some of the 45 goals of communism in action.
What. The. Fuck?
It will be interesting to see how he was radicalized/who ignored the signs of man clearly going off the deep end. You just don’t wake in the morning and decide this how you’ll spend a Sunday. I’ve seen that in EVERY story they’re pushing he was Iraq War vet which leads be to believe they are trying to distract us form the truth. I mean why do they always show a career criminal wearing a cap and gown or picture of him from years before instead of his latest mug shot? To change the narrative and distract you from the truth. He supposedly got back from Iraq in 2009. That was 15 plus years ago. A lot, I mean a LOT can happen in 15 years.
Yeah, but they will blame this on Orange Man Bad unless this idiot was having Tranny issues, which I doubt by looking at his picture. WTF is wrong with these idiots to make them want to kill innocent people? I don’t care what a person’s issues are, how do they arrive at a decision to pick out a group of people to kill and rationalize that if will make their issues better?
Did this guy have a beef with Mormons? Christianity? Or was this just a convenient gathering?
A convenient Gun Free Zone (as are currently all LDS churches. Hopefully that will change soon)
We Battling Baptists have no such qualms.
We’re packing heat, and if we get out to the truck we got more and bigger heat to bring.
I don’t think a serpent handling church would be targeted either
We may be seeing Militant Mormons soon.
Allegedly, there were two parishoners in the church with concealed firearms. Be interesting to see what the autopsy report reveals about the bullets, if any, that were retrieved from this asshole’s body.
One site had said that he was separated from his wife, unknown if that’s true, I can find nothing anywhere to confirm that. Mostly, the sites say that he just hated the Mormons.
Given the history of the Mormon church, that strikes me as surprising.
It’s only been since 2019.
They have those no guns signs in front of the VA CBOC… A valuables buffet for the people who would manage to get a gun regardless of the laws and bring it to a location regardless of the sign saying they can’t have them on the premises.
SFC D:
According to this article, he hated people of Morman Faith:
https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/karoline-leavitt-reveals-fbis-michigan-shooter-motive-finding-hated-people-of-mormon-faith/
I don’t like those young men in the white shirts and black ties carrying their books coming to my door to ask me where I think I’ll be spending eternity…but not enough to shoot them.
Sic my dog on ’em, maybe…
Just offer ‘em a beer. One will start to salivate and his companion will drag him away. Situation resolved.
Don’t want to offend anyone of this faith, but we kept having Jehovah Witnesses come to our door as well as other neighbors in our neighborhood.
It got so bad that a No Solicting sign was posted in our neighborhood and some of us had to put signs on our doors.
Eventually, folks up the food chain had to put a stop to their soliciting.
When I lived in Utah, we frequently had the Mormon missionaries come to our door. They always asked the same two opening questions: “What do you know about the LDS church?” and “Would you like to know more?” Since I had lived in Utah from age 10 through high school, my answers were always the same: “Too much” and “No.” Being non-Mormon in a town that was 99% Mormon was an enlightening experience.
It’s amazing just how many people look right at the “No Soliciting” sign next to our front door and knock/ring anyway.
I’ve pointed the sign out to some of them, and gotten the response, “I’m not trying to sell you anything.”
Soliciting doesn’t solely apply to requesting they buy something. It means “asking another person for something”. Asking for any type of information is a form of soliciting. This only shows me that those who ignore the sign are either (1) obnoxious and rude; (2) functionally illiterate, or (3) both. This makes it easier for me to be rather curt with them in asking them to leave now.
I’ve seriously considered replacing that with a sign reading “Cannibals live here. Solicitors will be invited for dinner.” Spouse vetoed that idea, unfortunately. (smile)
I had to explain that to a Democrat candidate. I told him the entire subdivision is a no soliciting zone, there’s a large sign at both entrances stating it very clearly. He says “I’m not soliciting”. I said “You’re soliciting my vote”. He had a very sudden “Duhhhhh” look.
Same here, I live in a condo community with prominent “NO SOLICITING” sings at all of the entrances. Invariably, you get somebody (usually a politician) who almost always says “I thought it was a public street” when I tell them it’s private property.
Simple sign on the lawn “Front, Towards Enemy”
should do it.
I get that one too, trying to tell me that green street signs mean it’s ok to solicit. They get very upset when I explain that the signs are green because that’s what the developer wanted, and our streets are maintained by the homeowners.
Perhaps a no soliciting sign on the door that includes a $50.00 fee for the solicitors just to see you open the door and acknowledge them.
I saw a video where someone did this, the would be solicitors quickly changed their minds.
We had contractors try to be slick regarding the no soliciting message at the entrance to our gated neighborhood.
They’d come in, do work that one of the neighbors contracted them to do, and then they’d fan out and solicit the other folks in the neighborhood.
I consistently reminded them of the no soliciting sign in the front.
Them: But we were just doing work with…
Me: Your only authorized interaction is with the person you’re doing work for. The rule about no soliciting applies to the rest of us.
And…
“That’s poor business ethics, Business ethics is something I look at before I consider someone’s service.
One of my neighbors is an undercover cop. He puts a stop to solicitors real quick and will come down and flash the badge when you call him if a salesman won’t leave quick enough. Not saying he gets off on it but he doesn’t take any shit either. Good neighbor to have.
The “No Soliciting” sign needs to be in the hands of a Tannerite filled garden gnome.
The JWs are easy to get rid of. I’ve been either in the military or in LE since 1988 and neither are allowed to join. Then they offer to pray for me, which I allow quietly outside while I go back in and grab some Scotch.
The Mormon kids always offer to help with anything else you might need after you turn them down, so the last time they came by they ended up moving some furniture for me. It seemed they would rather do that than ride around and get doors shut in their faces.
Back when I was in high school, we had a situation where a couple of Jehovah Witness folks just walk into the front patio. They lied to my father and claimed that I had invited them to do that. I never gave them that invitation, and I didn’t even know that they were coming back.
I had a couple of Mormons come to my door. I saw that as a perfect opportunity to talk about the ancient astronaut theory, and how they could be the ones identified as the heavenly entities in the Bible. That was the only time I had Mormons come to my door.
thebesig:
“Ancient Astronaut…”
😆😅🤣😂😆😅🤣😂😆😅🤣😂
I read all this guys books in my yute. Turned out to be a tremendous fraud, but the books were awesome in the 70’s!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken
Same with Tom Brown jr, died last year. I thought his books were neat till I became skeptical and started checking things.
Here in Florida you get someone trying to sell you $60-30K worth of solar panels door-to-door a couple of times a year. I have 3 variations of ‘no solicitations’ in my driveway, front walk, and front door. My best deterrent is when the weather is nice and I have my front door open, my 100lb jet black pittie runs up to the screen door to say “Hello!” That turns them right around.
My basset hound had the same effect. He was a playful as a kitten, but, from the other side of the door, he sounded as a bull moose in rut. My, but those missionaries, sales people, and politicians can run when the mood hits them.
From TAH:
Later articles suggests he hated Mormons for some unknown reason.
Why now? What pissed in his Cheerios? He had a beef with LDS, but all of a sudden he does this?
When the shooter is a leftist, they try to use smoke screens, or sweep the story under other news. What they want to do is have an excuse to paint veterans, Christians, gun owners, or anyone who would not sit idly by as the leftist elites claw our sovereignty away from us, etc., as “threats.” They’re also looking to bolster their argument against private citizen gun ownership.
He wasn’t the only Marine Combat Vet active shooter last weekend or even the deadliest. Allegedly this guy had open mental issues after a head wound in Iraq but still was able to purchase not just a rifle but a suppressed SBR with which he murdered three and wounded five.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/28/police-deadly-shooting-in-north-carolina-was-highly-premeditated-00583929
Unknown to combat status of this douchenozzle, but Lucky Eagle Casino shooting is an Army vet:
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/one-dead-at-least-six-injured-in-shooting-at-lucky-eagle-casino
Let’s hope that “unhinged vet” shit doesn’t start again like after Murrah.
WDF?
The unhinged PTSD effected veteran thing is probably going to happen regardless.
Shootings happen at bars (especially hooka bars) all the time. Even casinos get hit occasionally. But seldom does someone slaughter helpless innocent people at church services. Now twice in one year.
Yeah, seriously wondering what the hell happened here.
Regardless of the facts, the American flags on the pickup will have the left screaming maga…
Charlie Kirk memorial service.
We think there is an error in the Daily Mail article.
Daily Mail article states he served in Iraq from 2004-2009.
According to these two article, he served in the Marine Corps from 2004-2008 and had one combat tour to Iraq that ended three months before he left the Marines, being deployed in OIF in August 2007. He left the military in March 2008.
His awards include the Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal, the Sea Service Deployment Ribbon, the Iraq Campaign Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the National Defense Service Medal.
Looks as if he was stationed in Okinawa, then joined his unit in Fallujah.
https://clarkstonnews.com/articles/archives/we-are-very-proud-of-him/
His last assignment was in the 2nd Maintenance Battalion of Combat Logistics Regiment 25 at the Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune, NC as a
organizational automative mechanic and a vehicle recovery operator.
We doubt very seriously that his 6 month deployment to Iraq almost 18 years ago as a logistician had anything to him snapping.
https://abc11.com/post/grand-blanc-michigan-church-shooting-fire-suspect
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/michigan-church-shooting-all-about-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-us-marine-served-in-iraq-decorated-sergeant-9362399
That guy looks way older than 40.
The point we are trying to make is that we are sick and tired of the news media talking about a shooter/murderer/killer/ mentally unstable person serving with the US military with possibilty of having a combat tour.
There are lots of us on TAH that have not only served combat deployments to include Vietnam, but also have their family members serving in Korea, WW2 and WW
The dude obviously had mental issues, most likely BEFORE he joined the Military.
Millions served in Afghanistan and Iraq but only about 300K were actual for reals combat vets. This is based upon the number of CIB’s, CAR’s and CAB’s that were awarded. Of those numbers, a portion of them were from incoming IDF that may have not resulted in any WIAs or KIAs.
22 years later, we are STILL getting requests from our Soldiers (who were under us during OIF who went forward to Iraq) to help them receive a CAB.
As a company commander in Vietnam, I received a letter from a doctor or MSC officer at a stateside hospital wanting me to approve a PH for a “wounded” snuffy in my company before I assumed command. Since the company clerk had been there for several months, I got the 411 on the subject soldier. Seems he and a buddy were sneaking through the An Khe perimeter wire on the bunker line one night to visit a whorehouse in the town (off limits). The bunker guards thought they were VC and opened up on them. Our hero was shot through the testicles with an M-16 round. So, I sent a letter back explaining how his patient got shot and citing the requirement of the wound being inflicted by enemy fire, not friendly fire, for the PH.
rgr769:
THAT (yours) has to be one of the best stories we have read here on TAH…
Thank You!
Your story sounds so familiar. While at Bagram, the Afghans were doing their ritual of celebrating by shooting their weapons in the air. A stray round entered the tented Messhall..and grazed an Officer’s backside (rear end) while he was standing in line for chow. He was bruised, but the stray bullet never pierced his uniform. He was “treated” for that bruise…and the next thing you know, he put himself in for a Purple Heart.
And of course, he was turn down. He persisted…kept insisting he was entitled to a PH..guess he was unaware that PH are for wounds received from the ENEMY…😉
Actually, for at least 2+ decades the PH has been authorized for friendly fire wounds.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/1129
However, this does not negate the requirements that (1) the wound required (as opposed to merely received care not actually required – one can ask a medic to look at literally anything), and (2) the requirement that the wound be received “while directly engaged in armed conflict”.
From what you provide, it seems doubtful that either of these latter criteria was met.
When that rule went into effect my dad tried to get an oak leaf cluster to his PH for a 1966 friendly fire. It was denied. Why? Well, his RFPF troops had a beef with the RVN Rangers and the
Rangers drove APCs into the camp and were purposefully trying to kill people. So it was kind of a strange situation.
12 November 1965
Camp Widder
The RVN Rangers threw grenades as well! Dad on the right with the small band aides; his RTO wanted to keep the grenade since his wounds were worse.
Dad’s note: “The Stars & Stripes article is off base. The Rangers were after the Luk Luk Dot Biet (Viet SF). One of the VSF LTs was shot with a 50 cal through both cheeks of his fanny. I was laughing at him and joking with him in our team’s medical bunker….”
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Have you ever had to fight your way out of whorehouse in Southeast Asia. Mamasan say”You pay now, GI!”
Well that standard is what was apparently applied to John Fraud Skerry for his third PH. He suffered a large bruise when he fell down on the deck of his Swiftboat when coxswain turned sharply when the boat was ambushed.
I’ve heard that before….
“Shell Fragment, Honest Injun…”
That clown is eligible for the purple earring. IYKYK.
I have told this story before but a career long REMF was made the CSM for my infantry battalion in RVN. He claimed he was entitled to a CIB because on an airmobile insert of a rifle company, an RPG rocket passed through the open doors of his Huey without hitting anything. We suspected the hated Bn CO was OK with it. Anyway, the next time I saw that CSM, he was sporting that CIB.
I hear ya, I also know people that faked paperwork to get a CAB or whatever. I imagine it all works out in the wash. I do think it is fair to say that about 1:10 soldiers that deployed saw actual combat.
Reminds me of this cartoon I “borrowed” from “Boomer’s Sunday” [I think???] a while back.
So, no combat action ribbon; and his basic weapon was a wrench or a grease gun. The only time he likely pulled a trigger was on the rifle range.
The media doesn’t care about those kinds of facts, they want to paint a picture in the mind of their audiences of the “unhinged veteran”. There is a “common denominator” among the people that these folks want to negatively paint this way.
Hack Stone did two years at ELMACO 2nd Maintenance Battalion back in the mid to late 1980’s. Hated being there, bunch whiney ass Comm pukes who never went to the field.
Well, I am not going to believe the media at face value. I want to see the service records. Then I want to see their criminal records, and then their mental health.
The media always follows Twain’s dictum:
“Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.”
― Mark Twain
Dude served from 04 to 08. No awards given that weren’t standard to anybody that served during that time or in those locations. Can’t believe the press is thinking a Good Conduct Medal or a service medal is the same as an award for valor or ccommendation. There’s also a 17 year gap between his service and this incident. What was he doing during those 17 years? I would think that would be far more relevant than his service.
Not when the dem agenda, supported by the main media, is to portray Vets as broken people in order to have all of them considered as non compos mentis or mentally ill. Then they can make sure they don’t get arms.
Also the truck was driven into the wall facing the road. The front door of the church is off to the side.
Old Tanker:
Yep. Alot of us here are broken people….(Sarc).
We have several Vietnam Vets on TAH as well as those who went into the sandbox for OEF and OIF…I guess we are all messed up in the head (SARC).
Look how Vietnam Vets have been portrayed..Recommend you all read the book “Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of Its Heroes and Its History” by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Valor
There are people who would say I’m messed up in the head, but that’s just my sick sense of humor. And I’m not broken, but there’s sure a lot of wear and tear!
😆😅🤣😂
Yep.. We are all messed up…😉
I have Burkett’s book. It is an excellent read, highlighting some of the greatest valor thieves.
“ I would think that would be far more relevant than his service.”… That’s because you’re an individual capable of rational and independent thought, and not a leftist shill frantically grasping for any opportunity to blame some sort of violence on the MAGA ideology…
Very strange. Would like to know what caused these two to get their asses in an uproar. Almost seems scripted. Wonder what meds they were on.
Or NOT on?
Copy.
Yawn….
We are old enough to remember this incident taking place in 1966 at Austin Texas. Dude killed his mother and wife before he went on a shooting spree.
Yep, you read that correctly. 1966.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting
Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower Sniper. served in the Marine Corps as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman
I remember that one all too well. Albeit I was in Houston at the time.
Graybeard: We figured you remembered this as well.
And of course, you and I as well as older members of TAH CLEARLY remembered what happened on 22 November 1963 and 2-3 days after in Texas and Washington DC…the Shooter also served as a Marine. Those were the days of only 3 TV stations (CBS/NBC/ABC) covering 3-4 days of only that news..
I was in great Lakes Boot Camp when JFK was shot.
All of us who were living on 22 November 1963 remember that day.
And all of us living on 9 September 2001 remember that day as well…Yes, there are folks out there that are in their 20s who were not born yet…
Our parents and grandparents remembered 7 December 1941.
Time really moves fast.
Thank You for sharing, Jeff.
You are still a Youngster…😉😊
Big 80 next month
Hack Stone remembers that when heard that Kennedy was shot, he shit himself. I Hack’s defense, he was only 5 months old at the time.
Baby Stone…😉
Huntley–Brinkley. Walter Cronkite,et al.
e. :
What is funny is that we remember Huntley-Brinkley (NBC) and Walter Cronkite (CBS), but are having a memory laspe of who did the 5:00/6:00 pm news for ABC…
Guess we will cheat and do a GOOGLE search…😉
I have no clue. My folks were Huntley-Brinkley watchers. “Back to you, Chet…”
Both our folks watched CBS news with Walter. Hondo calls him Uncle Walter…😉 We think our folks did that because they always seemed to talk to the TV set, berating Walter Cronkite..😆😅🤣😂
“And That’s The Way It Is..”
Found ABC. Frank Reynolds. Now we remember him.
I remember Howard K. Smith and Harry Reasoner
Both good anchors, but Reynolds was hands down the best of ABC’s stable. I’d put him up against Cronkite, Huntley or Brinkley any day of the week.
Autopsy found a brain tumor which was very painful leaving whitman to go crazy. I remember it well, was aboard the LPH-3 at the times and it was in the newspapers….
We remembered CBS news not only covering the Texas Tower shooting in 1966, but also 3 straight days of Walter Cronkite reporting what happened in November 1963…
And of course, the constant CBS news reporting during the 60s and 70s of the Viet of the Nam conflict…every night..
I was an ROTC cadet in college when that tower shooting went down. Saw the news reports on TV. It was a top national story.
I was in a high school drafting class when the report of Kennedy’s death was announced over the school intercom.
What is it with all these recent shootings involving military members?
Something in the water? (MKUltra?)
Something in the air? (contrails are real!)
CIA radio waves (where’s my aluminum foil?)
And you can bet your paycheck swap that the LibTard DildoCrats (Kongress Kritter and civilians) are going to start screaming about taking gunz away from service members, psychiatric care, etc, etc.
“Never let a crisis go to waste.”
For Graybeard..
Yep. Yep. Yep…👍👍👍
It could just be the fact that there are a shitload of veterans out there. Increases the odds of one going off the rails.
I had a CDL B and a number of times I was sent for drug testing, so one day Nicky in dispatch tells me I have to go and take a drug test before driving on our route so I tell nick, I don’t need a drug test, I need a Phsyc doc and he throws a book at me as I was leaving dispatch….
We comprise something like 1 or 2% of the entire population. We’re a minority in this country. We’re more of a danger to ourselves as PTSD causes vets to commit suicide at something like 12% higher than the civilian population. You can check me on that.
Actual numbers are around 6% of the adult population or a little over 18M.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/08/the-changing-face-of-americas-veteran-population/
Nope, not gonna check you. Complete agreement.
I suspect many of those who commit suicide do so for reasons that have nothing to do with their military service. If a veteran who left active service as a REMF forty years ago decides to off himself because he has a painful terminal disease, he will be in those statistics on suicides.
I was asked by CA Gov’t employee if I was a disabled veteran; I said no. He asked if I was a veteran; I said yes. He said if you’re a veteran you’re disabled. It turned out the CA employee is a veteran and he decided all veterans are disabled.
Now first things first. There is no shame in being disabled! Everyone who has been injured or become incurably ill in the Military is deserving of all respect and anything else that’s due and proper.
As I pointed out to a University Professor she is not to pity me because I couldn’t afford to go to college so I joined the Military; I pointed out to another CA employee that I can’t hear as well as I could when I was 18. I went on to tell her on your 65th birthday Mother Nature takes a reckoning; and believe you me she is a mother.
The point is the demonrats have decided Veterans are damaged goods and even some of our own have agreed. Look at social media sites, how few are the posts looking for work vs how many are the posts looking for advice on how to get 100% disability.
Each time a felony is committed by a veteran the press makes that the headline. I am tired of pointing out to the editors their false conclusions; their minds are made up and they will not be confused by the facts.
In my travels I’ve known many folks who were blind, deaf, wheel chair bound, had prosthetics, or other such things; these folks worked, had families, etc.
Whatever happened to report to basic, get trained, serve, go home, and live your life?
I resemble that last sentence.
Yeah, me too. We used to call it the “draft”.
It was seen as honorable duty but somehow
became “involuntary servitude” so they had to get rid of it.
I’m at 70% (Severe controlled PTSD. Have to keep fighting my doc to not give me the damn meds. I’m perfectly capable of controlling myself, at least enough to remove myself from whatever has me going. I’m a firm believer in behavioral therapy) and might wind up at 100% if I can ever get the VA to accept the damaged disc’s my civ doc found being the VA’s problem. Only back injury I ever suffered is from Iraq…
I’m currently at work. The VA check is a bonus. What I really want is the VA to do its damned job, and give me that promised care. They give me that, I’m happy.
Keep in mind there’s a split at 70% for employable/unemployable. A lot of the scumbags are chasing that 5k/mo unemployable 100%. I’d go stir crazy if I couldn’t work.
At least the North Carolina Boat-By shooter had a brain injury.
Nigel Max Edge
” former Marine sniper who was shot (4 x and still had shrapnel in the brain and TBIs) while serving in Iraq in 2006.
What is THIS fucknozzle’s excuse.
He was a Motor T bitch.
Thomas Jacob Sanford Michigan Chirch Shooter.
While serving, Sanford specialized in handling military vehicle equipment. Both as a technician responsible for inspecting, servicing and repairing motor transport equipment like tactical vehicles and as a vehicle recovery operator, responsible for bringing back armored vehicles in support of troop missions.
So, this is just my uneducated opinion. Since we moved into and then out of the 80s, and became more sensitive to violence, not enough MFrs are getting punched in the mouth at an earlier age anymore. While it was not nice, at time hard to watch and involved some pain, it did have some positive effects too. It tended to bring folks into an understanding of how to act. At least sometimes.
There is also the fact that crazy bastards are just let loose on society nowadays. No longer locked up and a threat removed.
Again, my opinion only!
A lot of bullying can be stopped at a young age age by a good ass whoopin’. Bullies tend to stop when their victims fight back.
Yes indeed!!!
It’s all part of the war on masculinity. I still have scars on my torso from when I tried to reenact the scene where the hero jumped on the bad guys. I had no bad guys so I figured my brothers would do. Lesson learned, “Be sure of your target, don’t land on a saw blade when you’re aiming at a bad guy”. We had Foghorn Leghorn pounding on the dawg with a board and Wile E Coyote falling and colliding with anything without a pulse – until they had to censor that before boys got any ideas.
We were supposed to get ideas. Phys Ed was supposed to Government Sponsored Mayhem not “Mother May I”
My daughter was bullied. She reported it, nothing happened. She got bullied some more, she told me; I told the principal it was to stop, nothing happened. She got bullied some more; bam, pow, right in the kisser. She got suspended but she didn’t get bullied anymore.
I always told my boys that if they were bullied, to put a stop to it. They had the right to defend themselves. The school could do what they felt that they had to do after the fact. I told the 2 oldest (7-8 or 8-9), standing in the principals office. He just sat there not knowing what to say.