Fact checker fact-checks Kamala Harris’s active duty military in combat zone claim
During the debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, the latter made a claim about military deployment. Harris claimed that there were no active duty service members in a combat zone. Perhaps she meant that there were no US service members engaging in major combat operations such as what occurred in Iraq and in Afghanistan. However, those who are familiar with combat zones and the associated impact on tax liability would see things differently.
From PolitiFact:
A Defense Department spokesperson told PolitiFact that the U.S. is neither engaged in a war, nor has service members fighting in active war zones anywhere in the world.
“An aspect of military service includes serving in locations where hostile actions may occur,” the Defense Department official said in a statement to PolitiFact. “Those locations are designated by executive order and/or the Secretary of Defense. However, it’s important to note that just because a service member is in one of these locations does not mean they are engaged in war.”
But Harris’ inclusion of “combat zone” in that statement is misleading and experts said it significantly underplays the broader landscape of active duty military service abroad.
The Internal Revenue Service tracks combat zones for tax purposes. The term generally refers to “hostile areas where (the) military may serve, (including) actual combat areas, direct combat support areas and qualified hazardous duty areas,” the IRS said on a webpage last reviewed and updated Aug. 19.
Citing the Defense Department, the IRS said that as of August, recognized combat zones included the Sinai Peninsula, and the Afghanistan, Kosovo and Arabian Peninsula areas.
Melanie Sisson, a foreign policy fellow at the Brookings Institution, a think tank, said some of these combat zone designations, such as the one over Kosovo, are “holdovers” from previous U.S. military operations. But the combat zones do include areas in which U.S. service members are now deployed, she said.
Additional Reading:
Swann, S. (2024, September 11). Why Harris’ debate remarks about US military in combat zones is misleading. PolitiFact. Link.
Category: 2024 Election, Kamala Harris, Military issues, Terror War
So you’re saying that Kamala said some dumb, inaccurate shit because she has no clue what she’s talking about, and is in way over her head??
I looked for a shocked face, but can’t find one at the moment…
Mine’s on a sabbatical due to overuse. It’s expected back the first week in November…
The shocked face supply is as barren as that other, more famous, barren field.
Just another lie from a lying whore. Tell that to the troops we lost just a few weeks ago in that ME missile attack. I guess their injuries came from slipping on soap in the shower.
I keep telling you to sell that field, KoB. Nothing’s ever gonna grow there. Except maybe taters. Plant taters, get taters.
Shocked Face…
Hack activists David Muir and Linsey Davis were good ABC Democrat employees and covered for her every time.
Pravda couldn’t have done a better job “moderating” that debate for the CCP candidate.
Off Topic Read your reply to me yesterday about Capt. Hatton. During Sunday drills on L 2 he was always checking out what kind of locks were on windows in different apartment buildings which most were in H type buildings, didn’t put up with getto mentality, kept his helmet flaps down over his ears during a “Job” used to tell us to take the pack off and use it as a boogie board to ride a collapsing floor that your on depending on what type of collapst it is. A little different back then when he was with us in 1986 for a number of years untill moving to Manhatten. Lot more but got to go .
This happened all of two weeks ago.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-centcom-says-it-conducted-raid-iraq-15-islamic-state-operatives-dead-2024-08-31/
Of her lies, this would be the easiest to dismiss out of hand as wrong. You don’t even need to research it.
Forgot to mention FDNY still riding R 1 & 2
Still riding on youtube
When she said that I immediately thought of all of our Navy and Marine brothers and sisters cruising around the Middle East right now. That and I was thinking how stupid she is, but already was thinking that anyway.
5JC,
Including, until recently, the son of MarineDad61.
I’m sure you are relieved to have him out of there. I’m proud my son is serving too but I do worry.
Dudes over there right now weren’t ompressed:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_20MylOK6G/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=62987f0a-c4fe-4d1f-bd88-886f8517d92f&ig_mid=EDFF8D00-67C7-43CE-AFA4-66DA1937550D
I wonder if these are combat zones that Phil Monkress was in?
They are not the combat zones that Tim “No-Ballz” Walz was in.
Hi Timmy…
Do I see a tampon in his mouth?
Light Fuze, run away.
Like dat.
Kamala got caught lying 5-6 times with blatant bullshit, and worse,
she KNEW she was doing it, as are her current DNC and PAC TV ads.
Most of us have seen these by now.
Project 2025. IVF. Federal abortion ban. And more.
That said,
Trump is not off the hook, either.
From the SAME PolitiFact website…
Pants on Fire…
Over this….
—> Trump repeats baseless claims that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, are eating pets
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/sep/11/donald-trump/trump-repeats-baseless-claims-that-haitian-immigra/
Apparently, it’s only geese that they’re eating.
https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/10/exclusive-police-audio-report-confirm-haitian-goose-hunting-in-ohio-they-all-had-geese-in-their-hands/
SFC,
Trouble is,
that goose pic thebesig used 3 days ago
was taken 50 miles away in Columbus, Ohio.
And, the guy who took and posted that pic
disowns all the Springfield stories
and anyone (else, like thebesig) hijacking his pic.
— Lesson for everyone —
Just because Musk says it,
or Trump says it,
or thebesig says it,
doesn’t automatically make it truth and gospel.
Haitians helping themselves to park wildlife-Pets reportedly not safe
thebesig | September 9, 2024 | 117 Comments
Read the article.
Listen to the audio.
I made no mention of the pic you’re talking about.
I made no mention of pets.
I made no mention of thebesig’s earlier post.
Just because you say it,
Doesn’t automatically make it the truth and gospel.
Whether these invaders are eating wildlife or domestic critters is really not the issue to look at. Dropping 20K parasites into a city of 58K should be a concern of everyone.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/springfield-ohio-resident-details-dystopian-nightmare-haitian-migrants-overrun-town-breaks-my-heart
Federal grant $$$, NGOs and local bureacrats making deals– follow the money is right. Everybody’s making out except for local residents who’re just getting screwed.
And while we’re high jacking threads…another look at why there are 20K invaders in this town…and many other towns…
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2024/09/is-american-job-market-being.html
We’ve got several thousand here. The jobs they are taking nobody really wants like working at the chicken factory, hotel maids and picking cabbage. A lot of them stand in front of convenience stores with hands in their pockets but 70-80% are working.
Most Hispanics in our area have moved on into skilled labor or now work as contractors. The ones fresh off the boat are still laying tile, yard maintenance and swinging hammers but everyone wants to run their own company now. They start their own yard service or contracting firm and in a few years they are clearing well North of $150k. But they hustle too, often working 60-70 hours a week.
So around here, essentially the Haitians are taking the jobs that the Hispanics no longer want.
As many as 20% of Haitians are HIV positive.
Once they get tired of cooking kitties, they will start raping underage ones
There’re middlemen/NGOs/politicians getting something out of all the “migrants” being there, one way or another, at (clearly) local folk’s and their pets’ expense.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1832295691605180713.html#google_vignette
Here’s the webpage one those middlemen doing well from ‘fugees and Migrant Support Grant program $$$:
https://www.switchboardta.org/blog/the-workforce-system-and-american-job-centers-valuable-resources-for-refugee-resettlement/
Cha-ching, baby!
Haitian do eat them some cats, for realz:
https://www.haitianreport.com/2019/03/does-haitian-eat-cats.html?m=1
Saw that too.
50 mile, 5 miles, 5 blocks or 5 feet away, Springfield or Columbus, does it make it less true because the wrong city was named?
Odie,
Wilmington is not Philadelphia
is not Reading
is not Harrisburg
is not York
is not Baltimore
is not Washington, D.C.
Things happening in 1 are more than likely not happening in most if not all of the other close nearby cities.
Where that photo was taken is irrelevant to the fact that Haitians have reportedly been taking geese and other free roaming wildlife from Springfield Parks and elsewhere.
Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and I, as with others, are basing our statements on what has been said by those living in Springfield. Do you not have a TikTok account? Do you not have an X account? MORE on the Haitians in Springfield eating cats, dogs, and other animals have surfaced. There’s reporting from that area of Haitians driving around in vans collecting cats from the area. It’s not just happening in Springfield, and its not just happening with waterfowl, cats, and dogs, and it’s not just Haitians doing it.
Who should we believe? The people living there, or folks like you?
thebesig,
IF you are
believing PolitiFact on Harris debate lies
(yes, she lied),
then you have no choice but to be
believing PolitiFact on Trump debate lies
(yes, he also lied).
You can’t have it both ways.
You know… quoting and linking 1,
while ignoring the other.
So, I provided the other PolitiFact link above,
and now everyone has both.
Nonsense. What you’re demanding that I do is the “all or none” nonsense when it comes to their reporting.
When it comes to the above fact check, PolitiFact got it correct. However, if they’re claiming that the reports of Haitians eating waterfowl, pets, and other wildlife are “false”, then I’m going to dismiss their conclusions in the face of accounts from people who actually live in the area being talked about.
I’ve researched PolitiFact’s previous fact-checks, in previous arguments, and found them to have missed the mark.
You failed to address my question, or even indicated that you watched the video that I linked to. Many people in that area are reporting cats and other animals being taken by the Haitians.
Again, who should we believe? You and PolitiFact, or the people who actually have seen these things and have to live with it?
I’ve lived in, deployed to, and vacationed, in third world countries. What’s happening in Springfield and in other locations is no different from what normally happens in many of these countries.
As for Haiti and cat eating, cats are a food item in that country.
Like other impoverished nations, the people have become efficient at catching and adding wild and domesticated animals to their menu.
thebesig,
Selective belief of fact checking articles from the same website?
In this case, right now, PolitiFact?
Accept when 1 goes your way?
Reject when 1 doesn’t?
That’s more than rich. That’s gold.
Are you also in selective belief
with some of the others?
Like Snopes? FactCheck?
LeadStories? RealClearPolitics?
Good luck with all that.
This has absolutely nothing to do with “selective belief” and has everything to do with following the facts. I know for a fact that PolitiFact, Snopes, FactCheck, and others have NOT been consistent with what they got right and with what they got wrong.
Facts are facts. I base my arguments on first tiered information sources… E.g., actual videos, police reports, lawsuits, court decisions, peer reviewed academic journal articles, raw data, etc.
Again, a point that you keep missing, is that I’m basing my argument, regarding Haitians, and by extension others from impoverished nations, eating waterfowl and pets, is based on an overwhelming amount of people providing their own first hand accounts of what is happening.
To use an analogy to what you are calling me to do… Someone tells me that it’s sunny outside. Sure enough, it’s sunny outside. A couple of days latter, this person tells me that it’s sunny outside, but it’s pouring rain. Based on what you said, my failure to believe the second claim is my being “selective” in what I want to believe.
Key, both both this analogy, and with what we are arguing, is that I’m basing my beliefs on the FACTS. If someone, or an organization who got it right before, gets it wrong this time, yes, I’m going to be selective on whether I’m going to believe their latter claims. In this case, I will correctly call them out as being in error.
Found a pic of local police in Springfield OH when asked about Haitians stealing and eating pets.
If you could kindly provide a list of approved sources, that’d be awesome.
SFC D,
The source of all this Springfield cat
and pet eating BS has been found.
She admits it’s “fourth hand” rumor,
with zero basis and zero proof.
Between faked up photo(s) based on a goose pic from 50 miles away,
and now the source of the whacko viral claims having nothing to prove any of it….
It’s now DOUBLE DEBUNKED.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ohio-migrant-pet-eating-conspiracys-patient-zero-heard-it-fourth-hand
Would it hurt you to actually understand and analyze what you’re reading? You erroneously claimed that the source for ALL of the accounts of Haitians eating pets was “debunked”. yet, when you click on the link, it shows one account.
Go back and watch the X video that I posted. The video starts with that woman saying that everybody wanted to talk about ducks and cats. Why would she say that? Because the people in the area are complaining about something they witnessed first hand maybe?
I will believe what countless people on the ground say over what city officials would say about the matter. If you bothered researching this further, you’d find that there is a lot of money coming in with these illegals. They’re getting a crap ton of benefits, to the point that landlords in the area are looking at ending the leases of their regular tenants in favor of bringing in the Haitians, and the windfall that they’re apparently getting.
You could tell, by the complaint of the residents at these commissioner meetings, that there is widespread corruption among the officials… To the point that there is even a petition floating around to recall them.
For someone who tries to portray himself as a “Republican”, you most certainly are arguing like the leftists I’m arguing against elsewhere.
Cool story. Now debunk the story I posted. You know, the recorded call to the county sheriff. You’re laboring under the assumption that if one report is false, all reports are false. Interesting way to live.
Good thing there’s more happening out there:
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2024/09/13/its-disgusting-three-cats-found-mutilated-cut-in-half-in-houstons-east-end/
Not to mention in Springfield:
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1832134984557113706
Sarcasm apparently went right over his head.
How many times has Trump uttered stuff where people laughed or said WTF. How many of those came to pass, or ended up getting out as truth?
More often than not, to put it mildly.
As I was saying. Links provided in article.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/time-magazine-forced-issue-embarrassing-correction-calling-one/
There’s also this.. 1st video if I did it right. I’ve had trouble linking from this site before
https://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2024/09/visage-trois-2407.html
Go ahead, and click the thumbs down,
and rack up the red minus number.
Look above, it’s all now DOUBLE DEBUNKED.
Anyone, from online social media types,
to Musk,
to Trump,
to thebesig,
who believed any of it,
and worse, those who spread it,
now all look like complete idiots.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ohio-migrant-pet-eating-conspiracys-patient-zero-heard-it-fourth-hand
Nope, none of it was debunked, double or otherwise. All you’ve done was fall hook, line, and sinker, for a Daily Beast article that ran like a propaganda piece from Soviet Pravda or Russian Times. They brought up one claim, while ignoring the multiple claims alluded to in the video that I posted from X. People in that area have reported Haitians doing things that, well, is typical for what they do in Haiti. Grated, not all of them are doing this, but enough of them are doing this to cause alarms in that area.
Again, others and I will believe what the facts indicate. Countless people, including those from Springfield, are taking to social media and addressing this issue with emotion… I saw one video from a woman in Springfield who was at the point of tears, rebuking people like you for not taking them seriously about what is happening in THEIR community, things that they observe FIRST HAND.
The community members will tell you that there are Haitians who would take geese and ducks from the park or other areas, and that there are also Haitians who would collect cats. Again, cat is a common food item in Haiti. I saw a video, taken in Haiti, of a man roasting a cat. There’s another video of someone providing instructions on how to prepare a cat for consumption.
If you think that the folks who ate cat in Haiti would ditch that upon arrival in the US, I have a bridge in the middle of the Atlantic that I have up for sale to you, at discount prices.
And speaking of people refusing to give up on what they ate back home, while in a foreign country, I present to you the lines of Americans at McDonald’s in a European country after a U.S. Navy ship pulled in.
thebesig,
Today’s news says differently,
and completely disagrees with you.
I stand by every word of DOUBLE DEBUNKED.
And more, today, now TRIPLE DEBUNKED.
Deploying the Fu of Google on the 3rd debunker…..
https://www.google.com/search?q=neighbor+Kimberly+Newton&client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=0ee23696230f4fd0&sca_upv=1&biw=1510&bih=887&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ADLYWIL3fByfqkyYLJ1DE_GCt1rK-pDBbA%3A1726341257811&ei=ieDlZtb6MO2l5NoPirza0Qg&ved=0ahUKEwiW47qrksOIAxXtElkFHQqeNooQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=neighbor+Kimberly+Newton&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LW5ld3MiGG5laWdoYm9yIEtpbWJlcmx5IE5ld3RvbjIIECEYoAEYwwQyCBAhGKABGMMEMggQIRigARjDBEjnKVDtBljZJXAAeACQAQCYAXygAbEFqgEDNy4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIGoAKLBMICChAhGKABGMMEGArCAggQABiABBiiBMICCBAAGKIEGIkFmAMAiAYBkgcDNC4yoAeEIA&sclient=gws-wiz-news
MarineDad61, today’s news (from your link) is spectacularly incorrect. The cold, hard, facts disagree with the news that you referenced. Standing by your erroneous arguments, and statements, does not change the fact that you are wrong. And, so are they.
It’s also painfully obvious when you don’t know when propaganda is being leveraged against you. Those articles zero in on the one post where the woman claimed that she saw her cat hanging from a tree. Just… One… Account…
As compared to the f*ton of eyewitness accounts and videos that argue otherwise. Nope, neither double nor triple debunked.
I was a paper deliverer when I was younger, and recall a time when news publications, as well as magazines, competed with each other with regards to coming up with unique headlines.
Understand that you’re being deceived when that uniqueness disappears in favor of competing publications practically saying the same thing.
I stand by my argument, that Haitians are eating park wildlife, strays, and cats/dogs, based on the testimony of people who actually live in those areas and are witnessing things first hand…
I refuse to fall hook, line, and sinker for propaganda, like you have, when videos like this keep being uploaded:
Again, I stand by my argument and will gladly argue this point with you until I’m years past your current age.
UPDATE – Now TRIPLE DEBUNKED.
1st was the person who took the goose photo (in Columbus).
2nd was the very person who put up the first social media claim
(Erika Lee), who is quoted in detail in this new article.
3rd, now, in this same article, is the neighbor (Newton).
I put a long comment, with the news link,
on the original VG article….
New story title – [[ ‘It just exploded’: Springfield woman claims she never meant to spark false rumors about HaitiansThe woman behind an early Facebook post that helped spark baseless rumors about Haitians eating pets told NBC News that she feels for the immigrant community.]]
Find it all here….
Haitians helping themselves to park wildlife-Pets reportedly not safe
thebesig | September 9, 2024 | 124 Comments
“If I die in a combat zone,
box me up and ship me home
Tell my mom I done my best
Bury me in the leaning rest”
As KoB already pointed out, they’re “combat zones” for good reason. We don’t have to be actively engaged in war or fighting in war zones to have our troops in imminent danger of death or injury.
We’ll see how things turn out in two months. If Harris “wins”, I expect we’ll be engaged in full-scale conflict on a few fronts within a year. Meanwhile, us CONUS-dwelling private citizens will be facing rampant crime and ever-increasing numbers of illegals, all while our local police are defunded and we’re systematically disarmed.
But don’t worry, the Feds will get new funding to increase their “law enforcement” capacity, as well as additional protection for those in power, likely using the attempt on Trump as the reason so they can show some “bipartisan” respect for the former President once he’s no longer a threat to them.
We had a retired Secret Service agent working here briefly. He came in a while back and is back at work for the USSS, basically just flying between coasts to provide security at certain private residences in the First State and the Golden State. I have another good reference, at least, if I decide to apply for a .gov position.
Believe it was Mr. Heinlein who observed that a corpse from a police action for three days smelled pretty much the same as a three day old corpse from a war.
A few other lies Harris passed off unchallenged:
– Trump and 2025 with follow up lies about it
– Not Taking Guns away, she is a total supporter of the AWB renewal
– The unemployment rate was 6.1% when Trump left office in January. While not great it wasn’t the worst since the Depression either. And of course Covid, duh.
– The Taliban never went to Camp David. It was correct to invite them too, to work out a peace process.
– The trade deficit which wasn’t the highest in post WWII history, that was Bush, and Biden/ Harris has been higher than EVERYBODY.
– The big increase in oil production took place under Trump, not Biden. Unless you count Biden cutting production and then increasing it again? It is kind of like pouring out a basket of freshly picked tomatoes on the ground and then picking them up again to show how hard you work.
Probably more, that is all could come up with off the top of my head.
She also said that people died at “the attack on the Capitol”.
I’m just happy it wasn’t a “peaceful protest”. The Capitol was completely unharmed during the attack but they burned down half of Minneapolis during a peaceful protest. Lucky Kamala was there to bail them out.
Actually, what she said was that 140 officers were injured in the attack and that some of them died, implying officers died of their injuries. Which is also a lie; no officers died as a result of J6. For the benefit of the Progs, Sicknick died on Jan. 7 of blood clots in the two major arteries that feed the base of the brain, a double stroke. Per the autopsy, his body did not have a single mark or bruise on it. His lungs did not show signs of having been shot with bear spray. Surveillance videos show he was also not hit with a fire extinguisher or shot or sprayed with anything. Two protestors did die of the actions of the cops.
Correct.
One officer was injured and later died, but he didn’t die from his injuries. Most of those who died that day were protesters. Some of whom likely hadn’t been off the couch since the last century and keeled over from heart attacks. Also a meth overdose. Then one got shot when she tried to climb into the area down the hall from where Pence was hiding.
Most obnoxious thing protestors actually did there was the guy in a bison costume hollering “Freedom!”
The trade deficit started to change (against us) in the 1970s, went to its highest (against us) under Bush and Obama (financial crises), “got better”, but remained in bad shape (against us) through Obama’s and Trump’s terms and into the current term.
The trade deficit is worse under Biden. Not saying it was great under Trump, just worse now.
She also wants to confiscate all “assault weapons” via some kind of federal buy back scheme she thinks she can do by executive order within the first 100 days of her presidency.
Every service member in Iraq, Syria and Jordan heard this and immediately thought “Bitch please”
This retired service member in Arizona heard this and immediately thought “Bitch please”.
Throw in the gun ownership one as well.
$10 will get you $20 she couldn’t tell you the make, model, or caliber.
Personally, I find it more believable she worked at McDonald’s.
I know people who “own guns” that can’t tell you what kind of “bullets” to put in them so I tend to believe her claims about that. Besides, the rules are different for her, she is special.
Short bus special.
I understand those teeth fold back, with the right incentive.
They probably came out for the shot at this prize.
If you have electoral votes she’s open for business.
The Botox is strong in this one.
Dudes getting fired upon in Syria, Iraq and off the coast of Yemen might beg to differ.
Popcorn stock going higher higher, invest now!
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/09/12/whoa-abc-questions-n2400877
Inflation 20% under current admin– vote Democrat for more!
https://x.com/DogRightGirl/status/1834233127604048348
Wait…just last week 7 US troops were injured fighting ISIS in Iraq. I think DOD is confused.
Naw, Kirby just lies and obfuscates.
That’s an interesting way to say “Kirby sucks dick”.
Just remember when Donald Trump made Joe Biden’s day in the June debates, he said no US troops died on his watch. What he meant to say is that no US troops died while he looking at his watch while at Dover AFB during the undignified transfer of the service members who were killed at Abby Gate.
Kamala doing her best to utilize efficient mass transportation:
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/09/13/does-kamala-have-the-same-audience-for-every-rally-gps-pics-n2400908
And Twitchy suspects the bus riders are getting paid. Well, you can’t have people riding busses all over the country for hours and not have them expect some per diem pay. They gotta eat.
Isn’t the DMZ in Korea considered a POTENTIAL combat zone? Or is it a combat zone because we are technically still at war with the North Koreans?