Mexico Gun suit largely tossed – bueno!
Might recall that Mexico, that bastion of strict law obedience and low crime, was suing ten U.S. gun manufacturers. The U.S. companies are alleged to be the source of Mexico’s “gun crime” problem. OK, quit laughing now, they are seriously trying to extort cash recompense to make up for how deeply the government is in the cartels’ pockets.
Now, they should know that the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (normally abbreviated to PLCAA) says you can’t sue the gun companies for alleged “gun crimes” committed using their guns if the weapons were legally sold, a law needed because the anti-gun types were taking out a huge number of suits against the gun companies – not necessarily to win, but to force the companies to spend giant legal fees to fight the suits. “Nice gun company ya got here, be a pity of someone sued you out of existence”, right? Hence the PLCAA.
So Americans can’t sue Ruger, Glock, et al if their guns are legally sold through the multiple layers of buyers and distributors before they hit the local gun store, right? BUT – a couple of former anti-gun-group lawyers were working with the MEXICANS to sue. Should have been thrown out ASAP, right? Well, if you shop for the right judges…anything can and will happen and a judge allowed the suit to proceed because, hey, they aren’t Americans.
Good news Thursday, though.
US judge has thrown out most of a $10bn (£7.8bn) lawsuit brought by Mexico against US gun manufacturers it says are fuelling (sic) rampant weapons trafficking that brings 500,000 guns south across the border every year.
The lawsuit, filed in a federal courthouse in Massachusetts – where several of the companies are based – argued that the “flood” of illegal guns in Mexico “is the foreseeable result of the defendants’ deliberate actions and business practices”.
Of the eight companies Mexico sued in 2021, six were dismissed by a judge who said that the country’s claims that US gun manufacturers are responsible for weapons trafficking to violent drug cartels are “gossamer-thin at best”.
Music to the ears… but wait – he left two companies facing the suit?
While the cases against many of the companies were dismissed, Smith & Wesson Brands and Witmer Public Safety Group remain defendants following the judge’s ruling.
I’m pretty sure S&W makes guns… before the boating accident I may have even had a few, and liked them well. Witmer Public Safety Group? Quick internet research says they make protective equipment for firefighters and first responders. Huh? Can some of you in the trade or up in the northeast illuminate this?
In his decision, US District Judge Dennis Saylor wrote that Mexico did not adequately prove that any firearms sold in Massachusetts caused the country harm.BBC News
Glad the judge ruled as well as he did… hopefully he or a colleague with pitch the rest of this legally frivolous (wait for some Spanish in honor of the suit) mierda as soon as possible.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Mexico got support and money from anti-gun groups to help push this suit. I don’t consider myself a gun dealer, but I work for a retailer that has a fairly high sales volume in firearms. Unlike VA, with its one handgun a month law, customers in LA can walk in, provide proper government identification, pass a background check, and walk out with all the firearms–long guns and handguns–they can afford. I think the most handguns we’ve sold to a single customer in one day is 10; all .22 revolvers for a wedding party, so hardly a threat to Mexico or any other nation. The thing is, nearly all newly manufactured firearms in this country are legally purchased by non-prohibited persons. I’m sure some come up missing during shipment, and of course straw sales are an issue, but I’ve seen many more customers walking in to replace a stolen or lost gun than I’ve seen potential straw sales shut down. My employer is, for better or worse, extremely strict when it comes to anything besides a Proceed:
Self-Prohibit (usually question 21.a.)? Can’t buy from BPS/Cabela’s for an indeterminable amount of time.
Delay? We don’t honor the 3-day Brady period, so you’re waiting until we get a Proceed or the form expires, at which point you can drive back for a refund or to complete the form again.
Proceed, but there’s a Delay in the same household (husband and wife buying guns on the same day and one gets a Delay)? Neither firearm is transferred until both get Proceeds.
Anyone associated with your address have a Deny? No transfer.
The list goes on. I don’t agree with some of the policies, but they protect the FFL, I guess.
So, while we’re not a manufacturer, I doubt any company is just sending shipments of firearms across the border. Whatever guns go across are the results of illegal purchases, theft, or unscrupulous FFLs. If anything, Fast and Furious showed us that our government is complicit in helping to arm the cartels.
Many of the cartel shooters are armed with fully automatic firearms. They are not getting them from US gun dealers.
That’s true, they’re either illegally converted (not very easily done to modern semi-autos without compromising safety) or the cartels are getting them from other sources. I wonder how many guns south of the border are former US military property. Further, I wonder how many were stolen from US bases and how many were sold/given to the Mexican military or police, only to be stolen from them.
On another note, did the Army ever find those 31 M17 pistols?
While it is unlikely that they are getting the guns directly from dealers they could still be getting the guns from the United States. They could get the gun from the United States and then FA conversion part(s) from China or in the case of Glock switches, just print one themselves.
Biden closed the bases in afghanistan. c didn’t that leave a lot of military weapons behind? And now possibly being used by the cartels. Of course purchased by drug money. Billions of dollars can buy a lot of left behind equipment.
The DRUGS coming across the U.S. Border are killing FAR more people than the guns they are bawling about, IMHO Mexico needs to go unfuck itself with its own problems before suing US Gun manufacturers!
How about we take the same approach towards the Mexican govt? They are sending FAR more illegals north across the border. Hit them for all the costs associated with the invasion.. Should make the 10bil they wanted look like a drop in the bucket..
Oh, HELL YEAH!!!
I’m going to go ahead and say that just like guns, drugs don’t actually kill people. People do kill themselves with drugs, sometimes accidentally, sometimes on purpose. On average about 300 people a day die from drug overdoses in the United States.
Occasionally somebody will kill somebody else with drugs. Sometimes this is a dealer that’s pissed off at somebody, sometimes a parent will negligently leave drugs around where their children will find them and consume them and die. But it was the person that killed them with the drugs, the drugs themselves weren’t doing a thing on their own.
I would say that they should make it illegal for people to get a hold of these drugs, but it seems they already have. I would say that they should have some kind of information campaign that says that drugs are dangerous and will turn your life into a bucket of flaming shit. It appears however they have already done that too.
Given the above two facts, I would say at this point Mexico, and China via Mexico is doing us a favor. They’re getting rid of the segment of our population that is too stupid to understand that drugs are dangerous and have numerous negative life consequences and those same people are willing to commit all kinds of illegal acts to obtain them. Not to mention how psychotic they act when they are on the drugs and commit other illegal acts.
In summary, drugs are a stupid criminal elimination tool. Now does that sounds familiar? Can you name any other stupid criminal elimination tools?
I was actually meaning the invasion of illegals that are draining our resources, especially the ones that are criminals before they get here, much more than the drugs themselves. The mexican govt is actively assisting these people in coming here, and should be forced to pay the costs of it.. Seems to me to be far more reasonable than them blaming inanimate object for their failure as a government.. Honestly, as a whole, has the nation of mexico been anything but corrupt since the Juarista’s won??
Meanwhile in Israel….
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Why are so many anti-gun people in America?
Is this just a communist plot to disarm Americans and fundamentally transform our country into Venezuela or do these people are really so stupid that they believe disarming the victims will bring an end to the violence?
An old meme, but one of the best
Embrace the power of AND Joe… Both of your suggestions are accurate, IMHO
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I am not concerned one bit about illegal gunz going into Mexico, or any other country, from here. My concerns are about illegal people coming here from other countries.
Prepare
I remember a Law &Order episode in which the Exec.Asst DA (the sanctimonious old white dude with the punchable face) put one of the gun manufacturers on criminal trial and won a conviction but the judge immediately said “can’t do that”
Like he’d have really let the whole charade play out if he knew that any verdict wasn’t legally binding anyway.
I usually enjoyed L&O show but that episode was preposterous.
Just pushing the agenda by indoctrinating the low info crowd
A lot of them were.
But it was TV.
As I recall, the Lioness of THA had a regular rant about the Chicago gangs getting into the boxcars of gun shipments in the trainyards.
Conclusion: Mexico should sue Chicago.
That’s a MUCH more reasonable suggestion
I think they should sue the Border patrol for not knowing their job. Not the US border patrol but the Mexican border Patrol.
In fairness, the Second Amendment does seem to be poorly worded. Let’s try a rewrite:
“The right of all law-abiding citizens of sound mind and lawful age to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Just add the words; “and we MEAN it G*d damnit!”, just so the gubmint gets the fucking hint.
The only problem with it is that the Founders had no idea how stupid and corrupt modern politicians would be.
I think they were optimistic. By the standards of the day they were about the same. Democrats were slave holding racist hypocrites back then too.
Nice try, but NO. 2A is worded very clearly and succinctly only a moron would not understand it’s intent. Bullshit limits or restrictions are a modern fabrication, NOT the intent of the Founders. The fact that modern assholes either can’t understand it, or chose to try and twist it is irrelevant to it’s meaning and intent. The fact that you apparently don’t like the clear wording of it is also irrelevant. It says and means EXACTLY what they intended it to say and mean.
Given the fact the cutting off the penis of a nine year old because he liked pink and played with Barbies is sane behavior and praying silently in front of an abortion clinic is a thought crime I don’t really need anyone deciding for me what is “sound mind”.
Given the wrongful prosecutions Democrats have engaged in that really picked up during the Holder tenure I no longer agree with “law abiding”.
In fact my state already allows felons to carry without a permit. There are certain disqualifiers but some bullshit charge that the government came up with and only charged one person with ever in history would not be one of them.
IsMexico also suing Homey da Klown and Eric Holder for illegally importing those firearms across the border into Mexico?