Democrats voted unanimously in favor of including illegal aliens in census

| March 12, 2024

Census data impacts the number of a state’s number of representatives in the House, as well as the number of electors it has for the Electoral College. Senator Bill Hagerty, Republican from Tennessee, introduced a proposal that would bar illegal aliens from this count. However, Senate Democrats unanimously voted to defeat this proposal. Hagerty argued that illegal aliens can be leveraged to shift federal power in favor of the Democrats.

From NTD News:

“Democrats’ unanimous opposition to this commonsense measure confirms that they’re using illegal aliens and sanctuary cities to increase their political power,” he said.

“With this vote, Senate Democrats chose to trample on the rights of each American’s voice. I will continue to fight and press this issue in the Senate,” Sen. Hagerty added.

Sen. Hagerty has made this accusation in the past, arguing that Democrats in sanctuary cities are allowing illegal immigrants into their regions in the hopes of gaining more votes and greater representation in the House of Representatives and Electoral College.

A sanctuary city is an area where the authorities may limit cooperation with the federal government’s efforts to enforce immigration law, deportation, or prosecution. At the moment, roughly 200 cities, counties, and states are considered sanctuary cities in the United States, with New Orleans, New York City, and Washington, D.C., among them.

The measure was shot down 45-51 after failing to get even a single Democratic vote. Sen. Hagerty released a statement on March 8 accusing Democrats of holding back the amendment for political reasons, while also promising to keep pressing this issue.

NTD News provides additional information here. Senator Bill Hagerty provided a statement in response to the proposal’s defeat here.

Category: Democrats, Illegal Immigrants, Politics, Society

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Odie

Of course they did. POS, every last one of them.

HT3

But Replacement Theory is “just a right wing conspiracy”…

Anonymous

Only when conservatives complain about it.
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Anonymous

Democrats seem to like it just fine.

Dave

Somehow in my 72 years I knew things would change over time, but I didn’t figure we would turn into a shit hole nation.

Steve1371

Me either.

Roh-Dog

The Dims just locked themselves in with criminals, to include rapists and murderers, let’m stew.

If illegals should be counted, maybe only at a 60% rate? And for the love of shit, bring back apportionment.

Deckie

For people who keep bringing up the [not] insurrection, they sure enjoy poking the bear and edging us towards an all-out revolution. They aren’t even trying to hide their intentions at this point…

It’s almost like they want it… cause a major violent uprising that in turn gives them an excuse to lay the hammer down and wrest all control from We, the People.

Traitors. The lot of ‘em.

Odie

I have a feeling you are correct about looking for a reason. Also correct about not even trying to hide it anymore.

Odie
Commissar

So you are claiming the democrats are forcing you to be an insurrectionist by supporting the constitutional requirement to count all persons living in the US once every ten years?

So why now? Why weren’t you an insurrectionist before? This was always the damn mandate our founders intended. To count all persons.

A Proud Infidel®™

ILLEGAL ALIENS are not U.S. Citizens, idiot.

Deckie

Not illegal aliens, they are not citizens. Jeezus Christmas dude did you really go to UCB or are you just the janitor?

Blaster

Is insurrection/insurrectionist the Left’s new “go-to” word? Did “racist” and “fascist” get old?

Keep up the overuse and it too will lose meaning.

Anonymous

Of course, it’s always okay when Leftists do it about sh*t they like.
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Forest Bondurant

“So you are claiming that democrats are forcing you to be an insurrectionist by supporting the constitutional requirement to count all persons living in the U.S. once every ten years?”

No fuckhead. That’s not what anyone here is claiming, but nice try.

For starters, a lot of Americans are sickened to see how your party backs groups like BLM and ANTIFA and allows them to destroy property and escape accountability – the same party that undermines the rule of law – and does all the abhorrent things they accuse opponents of doing.

People are sick of how your party refuses to enforce federal immigration laws, blames its failures on others, creates narratives out of lies, and uses the media to spread those lies and undermine the principles the country was founded on.

Or how about the constant constitutional overreach that tends to erode personal freedoms, or the weaponization of federal law enforcement and the court system to persecute and prosecute political rivals, or using big tech social media to silence opinion that differs from theirs?

Or how your party considers parents who protest against DEI, CRT and LGBTQ curriculum being taught in schools should be considered a domestic threat, or use financial institutions to conduct surveillance against U.S.citizens?

The list goes on, but you and those like you are okay with that.

Commissar

If you low information, easily manipulated dipshits try an insurrection you will learn quickly you are not the “silent” majority, merely a loud, obnoxious, overly entitled, extremist minority.

Roh-Dog

.:yawn:.

Shouldn’t you be out aiding and abetting your domestic terrorist buddies?
Way I heard it, Oakland still has a Taco Bell that hasn’t been burnt down.

Get after it!

LARPn-Lars
Odie

Kinda like antifa? Lgbtqxyz? Pretend women? Is that what you mean?

A Proud Infidel®™

We can always count on you to come here and be a complete idiot. Do you and your idiot ilk know what will happen the moment you try to infest Red State America?

Odie

They know and are hoping just that happens.

5JC

Antifa, supporting and defending the Constitution of the United States since March of 2024.

Blaster

Projection much???

Deckie

Says the guy who supported ANTIFA (you weren’t a medic, you were masked and causing chaos with them, you useless little prick..)

You look like Charlie Brown in ACUs.

And a jobless disgraced cop with a UCB degree and nothing to show for it hardly qualifies as an intelligent, high information winner.

You lose. Again. And always. Fraud.

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Deckie

We aren’t the ones trying to cause one and actively ripping apart the country — you fucking deadbeat moron. 🤣

I’m sorry your mother didn’t have any children that lived.

Forest Bondurant

“Low information, easily manipulated dipshits…merely a loud, obnoxious, overly entitled, extremist minority.”

(You left out “xenophobic, racist, misogynistic, antisemitic”)

You’re projecting again.

Anonymous

Democrats hate America and have no sense.

Old tanker

First step, get them counted in the census. Second step, register them all as dems. Third step, single party nation and a strangle hold over every citizen. Fourth step, rewrite or remove the constitution to “save our democracy”.

Roh-Dog

They’ve ruined the Constitution’s guardrails to such a sufficient degree we might as well have none. Every so often they’ve successfully driven a nail threw ‘r heart:

(abridged list, feel free to add)
1913: 16 & 17th Amendments and the creation of the Federal Reserve ‘system’

1971: The ‘Nixon’ Shock, the full fiat era (read: error), price controls

1999->2001: China is allowed to enter the World Trade Organization, in spite of human rights abuses and espionage

2001: The Spy State® is given a workaround to that pesky 4th Amendment. Blank checks for illegal wars that make the Vietnam currency debasement era look minuscule by comparison.

2020: More USD currency units are printed out of thin air than had ever existed up to that point, ‘bad cold’ lockdowns and the resulting suspension of not just civil rights but human rights, unbridled terrorism from sea to shining sea to lower property values in order to allow big business to buy up properties for literally nothing (‘redevelopment bonding’ is a thing), mom & pops shut while Walmart is permitted to stay open, police stations burnt to the ground, the largest case of voter fraud in any so-called “democracy” ever in history, etcetcetc.

The fetid feast is ‘fore us, only few see the maggoted meat at this juncture.

Beware the soon-sinking teeth of those who currently don’t, as their reaction will be spectacular in unaimed scope.

As our man KoB say: Prepare

Ron-Paul-only-hits-homeruns
KoB

Sam’s Garden Accessories out in the Sooner State has restocked various varieties of Freedom Seeds. And has got them on Sale. Orders placed before 1700hrs today would be received by Friday.

MPS has #10 cans of egg noodles on a BOGO deal. Thirty (30) year shelf life. You’ll need some long before the “Best By” Date gets here.

President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neande

I make my own noodles. MUCH better tasting.

Sailorcurt

Actually, they probably don’t actually want them to vote, just to be counted in the census to inflate their numbers in congress.

The problem is that the left supports many things that hispanics in general don’t support…special treatment of gay and trans people, abortion, undermining the family, etc. Hispanic culture really doesn’t have much in common with the current “progressive” democrat party so my feeling is that Democrat support for “a path to citizenship” will only be there if that path is long and arduous. The historical support for quick and easy citizenship is going to become a thing of the past very soon.

Of course, making predictions is hard, especially about the future, so they may surprise me and continue supporting “legalization” but my thought is that as they realize many of these newly legalized hispanics are not going to support their agenda, they’ll back away from that agenda item.

Anonymous

Don’t forget to add “for the children” or “hunger” or “pedos have mommies and daddies who love them too” (lay it on bleeding-heart thick, boo hoo) to keep it all from sounding jacked-booted.
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ninja

The title of the NTD article “Democrats Vote Unanimously to Include Illegal Immigrants in Census” is a bit misleading.

Illegal Aliens have always been counted in the US Census.

Fox News’ story published 3 days ago is bit more accurate:

“GOP Effort To Stop Illegal Immigrants Being Counted For House Districts, Electoral College Shot Down In Senate”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-effort-to-stop-illegal-immigrants-being-counted-on-census-for-electoral-college-shot-down-in-senate

“An effort by Senate Republicans to stop non-citizens, including illegal immigrants, from being counted on the census for the purposes of apportionment for House seats and the Electoral College was shot down later Friday after the measure failed to gain the support of a single Democrat.”

“Sen. Bill Hagerty, R-Tenn., moved to include an amendment, attached to the $460 billion spending package, that would require the Census Bureau to include a citizenship question in any future census, and then bar anyone who isn’t a U.S. citizen from being counted for purposes of congressional district and Electoral College apportionment.”

“While the bill would also exclude legal immigrants on temporary visas and green cards from the census, the move has been undertaken explicitly to stop illegal immigrants from being counted amid millions of new arrivals at the southern border. It’s similar to a Trump-era effort to include a citizenship question on the 2020 census. Trump’s effort sparked widespread criticism and condemnation from Democrats and left-wing immigration groups who argued that a citizenship question was unlawful and was designed to help Republicans in future elections.”

“Hagerty’s amendment failed after 51 Democrats and Independents voted against the measure or were not present. One Republican, Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, also voted against the measure. All other Republicans either voted for the measure or were not present. The vote was 51-45 against.”

ninja

In 2018, Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall and U.S. Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Huntsville, filed a lawsuit to block a Census Bureau rule that will count people in the country illegally in determining the population of states in the 2020 Census.

“AG Steve Marshall, Rep. Mo Brooks Sue Census Bureau Over Immigrant Rule”

https://www.al.com/news/2018/05/ag_steve_marshall_rep_mo_brook.html

“The lawsuit, filed by Marshall on behalf of the state, claims that Alabama will lose one U.S. House seat and one vote in the Electoral College because of the rule.”

“The decennial census is used to apportion seats in the House, which also determines the number of Electoral College votes.”

“Congressional seats should be apportioned based on the population of American citizens, not illegal aliens,” Brooks said in a press release. “After all, this is America, not the United Nations.”

“Alabama has seven seats in the U.S. House and nine votes in the Electoral College. The lawsuit says that will drop to six seats and eight votes if the census number used to determine those includes people who came into the country illegally or immigrants who entered legally but have overstayed their visas.”

“The lawsuit says that Louisiana, Missouri and Ohio lost House seats after the 2010 Census because people in the country illegally were included. It says that California gained two House seats and Texas and Florida gained one each because of the rule.”

“If the Census Bureau rule stays in place, the lawsuit says Ohio will also lose a seat, Montana will fail to gain a seat it otherwise would and California will not lose a seat it otherwise would.”

“In addition to the representation issue, Alabama also stands to lose federal funding that is based on the census, the lawsuit says. That includes federal dollars for highways, programs for children, low-income families, health care and others.”

ninja

Interesting 2020 article by the Pew Research Center:

“How Removing Unauthorized Immigrants From Census Statistics Could Affect House Reapportionment”

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/07/24/how-removing-unauthorized-immigrants-from-census-statistics-could-affect-house-reapportionment/

“Since the first census of the United States in 1790, counts that include both citizens and noncitizens have been used to apportion seats in the House of Representatives, with states gaining or losing based on population change over the previous decade. If unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. were removed from the 2020 census apportionment count – which the White House seeks to do – three states could each lose a seat they otherwise would have had and three others each could gain one, according to a Pew Research Center analysis based on government records.”

“If unauthorized immigrants were excluded from the apportionment count, California, Florida and Texas would each end up with one less congressional seat than they would have been awarded based on population change alone. California would lose two seats instead of one, Florida would gain one instead of two, and Texas would gain two instead of three, according to analysis based on projections of Census Bureau 2019 population estimates and the Center’s estimates of the unauthorized immigrant population.”

“Alabama, Minnesota and Ohio would each hold onto a seat that they would have lost if apportionment were based only on total population change. 11 more would gain or lose seats based on population change alone, whether unauthorized immigrants are included or excluded. Five states would gain one seat each: Arizona, Colorado, Montana, North Carolina and Oregon. Six states would lose one seat each: Illinois, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and West Virginia.”

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5JC

Somebody needs to do a recount. About 15% of the population of Alabama is Hispanic and illegal. The population has exploded in the last 5 years.

I would say by the end of this year it’s probably closer to 20%. It seems possible that they will exceed the black population in the near future. This is good because most of the immigrants are actually looking for work. They work their asses off too. It’s mostly construction, agriculture, restaurant and hospitality industry. Many have opened their own contracting firms, restaurants, shops and grocery stores. Immigrants that were living five to a room 5 years ago, now have their own house (maybe a small rancher) and a big pickup truck. They don’t have gang tattoos and they don’t like big government.

A Proud Infidel®™

OF COURSE they did, they see that as a guarantee to holding onto seats in shithole blue States losing population.

Sapper3307

“Just following orders!”

OIP-2024-03-12T131915.523
Anonymous

He learned from the source:
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RCAF-CHAIRBORNE

The only illegal alien I would want around is ALF

Odie

Or Mork.

KoB

Jadzia Dax.

Anonymous

One of those green Orion girls.

Major Tuddy

ET phone home!

5JC

This just in. The border patrol is going to try to stop people from entering the country from Haiti. Since they aren’t stopping anybody else this is clearly racist.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/12/us-news/florida-border-agents-on-high-alert-for-haitian-refugees/

Blaster

Damn right they did! Who’s honestly surprised?

rgr769

The non-partisan Center for Immigration Studies was just listed by Brandon’s treasury department as a “hate group,” along with a number of conservative organizations. So, what does that tell us?

5JC

Non-partisan, lol. It’s true they aren’t da klan, but they would be warmly welcomed there. A greatly redacted list of article writers include:

F. Roger Devlin, John Derbyshire and Jason Richwine. They all agree that people of white European heritage should be in charge. Like explicitly so.

Commissar

Yeah, because they are here…and that is what the census is for.

The census is literally in the constitution and the notion of “illegal” or “undocumented” alien wasn’t even a concept.

But we already know that the MAGA movement wants to throw out the constitution. Trump explicitly says it and it has zero impact on his support. So I shouldn’t be surprised you oppose following the constitution when it comes to the census.

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5JC

Tell us which is worse. To say you want to throw out the Constitution and not do it or just throw the Constitution out and not say you’re going to?

Because that’s where we are today. You can have Biden’s ministry of truth fact check it.

Roh-Dog

I miss Nina Stank-o-wicz more than life somedays.

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Roh-Dog

You are historically illiterate and allergic to facts.

1791 – The Constitution (which I’m debating if you’ve ever read) Art 1, Sec 2 “…Indians not taxed,…”
1890 – first year Indians were counted by the census
1902 – establishment of a permeant U.S. Census Bureau

As repugnant to you as it may seem, there are classes of people within societies, pacifically franchised and nons.

They ain’t…, and it’s retarded to think they can be both semi-servile and represented at our rate, the same time. It’s literally in the document. Go look.
Unless you think this is a game of tag with a home base therefor they get ‘naturalized’ just for standing underneath the sun:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. (14th Amendment)

Pretty simple, eh? Worst part about the 14th is that States are not allowed to “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”. It’s a Federal thing. Trump is technically right on this. Too bad Congress refuses to rein in the Executive, eh?

All this seems moot, but they are subject to draft! So we got bodies for the upcoming unpleasantness, which is nice. (full /s)

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MarineDad61

Roh-Dog,
Good point on the 1791-1902 timeline.
Originally, non tax paying Indians excluded.
Changes over the decades / centuries.

Instead of the arguing and broad claims by Commissar…

Let’s see if anyone can make a determination
on the definition of 21st century census,
based on this history of the census,
provided by the Census Bureau.

https://www.census.gov/history/pdf/cff4.pdf

Blaster

Trump wants to throw out the constitution, but Sniffy Joe is the one that said “no Amendment is absolute”!

Do better!

MarineDad61

Source website.
Default website language is Chinese.

Why not Fox,
or several other media outlets out there,
running the same story?

thebesig knows……

NTD-default-Chinese-language
President Elect Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neande

Hell’s little bells.
While the DildoCrats are busy counting all the ILLEGAL aliens within the US borders as part of the Census, why not also include all the aliens OUTSIDE the US worldwide as well!
(said with disgust as well as tongue firmly planted in both cheeks)

Forest Bondurant

Democrats don’t need to include aliens outside the U.S..

There are plenty of dead people in Democrat states who can still vote – and will.