Chinese sub allegedly down
According to Brit intelligence, We Are The Mighty alleges the Chinese lost one of their subs in one of their own anti-sub traps.
The “chain and anchor” is a device intended to trap and destroy enemy vessels under the sea. The idea is simple: a heavy chain of metal balls and other objects (that can be up to several miles long) is attached to two anchors deployed on the seafloor.
The size and weight of the chain can cause heavy damage to a vessel’s rudder and propeller, delaying the submarine for hours or even days, which as we can see from the PLA Navy’s alleged incident, can be deadly for the ship and its crew. The submarine may even be dragged to the seafloor with the trap.
The document from British intelligence believes this particular trap was intended to ensnare American or British spy submarines operating off the Chinese coast. Shandong is a Province home to many cities with populations above 9 million, roughly the size of New York City. Qingdao, with a population of 10 million, is the largest city in the province.
Since the report is based on intelligence, the United Kingdom has declined to comment on the veracity of the reports, while Beijing maintains the incident is a rumor. If the submarine really did run into its own chain and anchor trap, and its batteries were low, then it’s likely the air purifiers and air treatment systems would eventually fail.
The article says 55 Chinese sailors aboard the Chinese sub designated 093-417 died after a “catastrophic” failure of the vessel’s oxygen systems on August 21, 2023.
I’m all for potential enemies having problems, but schadenfreude aside that is a very bad way to go and I wouldn’t wish it, or burning to death, on anyone. Condolences to their families.
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The rumours and the denials from Bejing have been pretty strenuous and all over the place. One rumour is an officer aboard the sub sabotaged the air system while Beijing it is impossible for the sub to stray into such a trap because well the sub has to file a movement plan and this sub’s movement plan did not include this trap, ergo it never happened.
Hell, the Soviets never admitted they lost K-129 until Howard Hughes brough half of up the ocean floor in Project Jennifer/Azorian.
If true, that’s a poor way to go, especially at the hands of your own country’s “traps”.
I should probably feel sorry, but I don’t.
Those sailors were serving their masters in Beijing. And I have no pity for the Enemy.
And this is why I always surround myself with people better than I am. They keep me centered and on the moral high ground.
Maybe I should let others do the talking.
In my mind I had an image of a giant Chinese finger trap…
Nobody describes it better than Janis…..
https://youtu.be/r5If816MhoU
It’s actually in a safe harbor in Washington. Jack Ryan and Bart Mancuso may or may not have been involved.
The ChiComs shoulda had Jonesy on SONAR Watch, they might not woulda run into their own trap. Or since the ChiComs are copying everything else we do, maybe they are using the Navy’s new tactic of running their vessels into things they shouldn’t be running into.
Sorry, not sorry, but this is all I have for the ChiCom Sailors…
They may, or may not, be going to Montana and getting a pickup truck.
And raise rabbits…
Wrong link.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DO_bKdRqkuQ&pp=ygUfZGVudGFsIGZsb3NzIHR5Y29vbiBmcmFuayB6YXBwYQ%3D%3D
Try this link instead.
Not rabbits, but dental floss.
Just me and the pygmy pony
Don’t forget your zircon encrusted tweezers.
Gonna be a Mental Toss Flycoon
I thought in the Red October movie one of the officers told Ramius that he wanted to move to Montana, raise rabbits, and have his new American wife cook them for him.
I believe you’re correct. But the above song was the first thing I thought of when SFC D mentioned Jack Ryan.
Respect for enemy troops doesn’t mean we won’t kill them if necessary, but as Dr. Jolly was quoted as saying “The only people who know what you are going through is the enemy.”
Troops everywhere are trapped by their political leadership cadre (well, except folks like Hamas, who are trapped by a satanic religion). May God have mercy upon these.
Those willing to wear the uniform of their country, train, and risk dying for their country deserve some level of respect, even if it’s begrudgingly. I respected the IA, Republican Guard, and even Fedayeen Saddam who stood and fought us in 2003. That same reason is why I once wore a Waffen-SS uniform for WWII reenactments, even on military installations like Forts Knox and Indiantown Gap. The rank and file have some level of patriotism and love of country that motivates them to serve. The political machine is what sends them to their deaths, and too often that machine is corrupt and/or counter to American ideals.
Speaking of which, next up: more Americans dying for our corrupted political machine.
Not to be callous or anything, but shouldn’t this have gone in the “Monday FGS”. Just sayin’
I took no joy in Soviet submarine losses back in the Cold War, and I won’t start now. Killing subs was my core mission, and I was pretty good at the job.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Cue the trombone. Too bad for the individual sailors.
If we had any balls, we would announce a national policy that any US boomer caught in a trap would have a last gasp “push the button” policy where all ICBMs immediately launch for the nearest country full of turds who set submarine traps.
Even though the Squids on the downed sub were our enemies,they now are no longer a threat so I will say RIP Sailors and condolences to your families. Same thing went for the WW2 U-Boot crew members wound up in the drink but a little different in the Pacific.
Ok, all I know about submarine operations comes from watching The Hunt For Red October, but a nuclear powered sub shouldn’t have to rely on its batteries, right? Unless it suffered a failure of the nuclear plant? I’m not sure I buy this story.
Well, the reactor was made in China and maintained by Chinese sailors, so…
What is this “chain and anchor” device they speak of? Anybody got a link I can borrow?
Can’t find much other than possibly a buoy with a chain handing down and an anchor or chain at the bottom to snag things. Primitive and cheap but they work.
“but they work.”
I have my doubts. Awfully inefficient consumption of resources except for limited locations.
Actually, this has a pretty solid graphic to it and it’s not just a chain and an anchor but an entire net system we believe
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12589429/amp/chinese-sailors-trap-yellow-sea.html
Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of “artist’s conception” s over the years. Aside from barriers at harbor mouths and anti-torpedo nets around ships at anchor I do not remember ever hearing or reading about open ocean physical barriers. I’m not believing it until I get some reliable evidence; it’s just too impractical.
Or could it have been that they built that Sub as well as they do a lot of their other Military Equipment, as quick and cheap as possible?
Anything made in China seems to have a life expectancy no longer than a couple uses after opening the box. See harbor freight.
Never buy any EGO electric tools, that life expectancy which you described totally applies to the tools, all hecho en Chine, as it says on my leaf blower. And the freakin’ batteries cost upwards of $250.
That hurts my EGO!
But seriously, I have the push mower, backpack blower, string trimmer, and hedge trimmer, all bought back in 2018 when I lived at a place where they were useful. The push mower has been supplanted by a Bad Boy ZTR, I have no hedges, and I rarely blow things these days (wait, maybe I should reword that…), but the string trimmer is a beast, while my DeWalt 20V Max OPE sits unused and mostly forgotten.
One of my 5Ah batteries is on the fritz, though, having about half the runtime of the other one.
My echo(echo..echo..) 48V blower and string trimmer has been going strong for about 5 yrs now.
Just FYI, Pac Flt has also denied detecting this, as has Taiwan. Might just be rumors, but if this was true I’d bet certain elements would be touting it loudly and everywhere, but we’re not.
When bad things happen to good people, I feel bad.
But when bad things happen to bad people, I feel good.
Because that’s the way it is supposed to be.
The China of today is the [Nazi] Germany of 1938.
Only those who are blind cannot see it.
They are arming and preparing for war.
While America — as in 1938 — sleeps.