Thoughts on Cleveland, TX shooting
No doubt all should be aware of the weekend shooting in Cleveland, TX (NE of Houston) in which a family complained that their neighbor was shooting his rifle off after 10 at night – so he shot 5 of them, killing 3, and fled.
That’s bad enough. The anti-gun media are of course braying that he used a AR-15 (Devil’s handiwork! Horrible assault rifle! etc.), but not many seem to be reporting what I feel are the more important facts.
There’s a bit of brouhaha that the Texas Governor incorrectly referred to the victims as illegal immigrants (apparently not) but more significantly, the SHOOTER, Francisco Oropesa (or Oropeza depending on the source), was an illegal (Mexican) who has been deported multiple times and came back each time. Ah, yes, illegal immigration is a victimless crime, they say, they just want to come here and work they say… this one was living here with his wife (presumably illegal as well? No one says.) and chose to flaunt our laws in the most egregious manner possible.
The gunman went on the run and has been named by police as Francisco Oropesa, a 38-year-old Mexican who has been deported multiple times. MSN
A second source, within the Department of Homeland Security, told Fox News that Oropesa had been deported five times between 2009-2016. MSN II
Multiple times. ‘Nuff said.
The other fact is that the police were called multiple times, both by the family that night and before that by other people in the area.
Veronica Pineda, 34, who lives across the street from the suspect’s home… said she didn’t know Oropeza well but occasionally saw him, his wife and son ride their horses on the street. She said the family had lived there about five or six years and that neighbors have called authorities in the past to complain about people firing guns.
Not making points for the cops here.
Before the deadly confrontation at Garcia’s home, five 911 calls had been made to report the gunman shooting his rifle outdoors, the father said.
Authorities got to the scene as fast as they could, Capers said. But his small force covers a large county, he said, and the home is about 15 minutes outside town. CNN
Rene Arevalo Sr., who lives close to Oropesa’s house, said he heard gunshots around midnight but was unperturbed, as gunfire is normal in the neighborhood.
‘It’s a normal thing people do around here, especially on Fridays after work,’ Arevalo said.
‘They get home and start drinking in their backyards and shooting out there.’ MSN
Disclosure: I live outside a small town, so my LEO response time would also lag. But if someone was getting multiple po-po visits with no change, or numbers of people were shooting off guns late at night just for fun, we’d have a new sheriff pretty quickly. I see this as at least partially the fault of lax law enforcement – they knew they have a problem, failed to act, and then when it was critical it took FIVE 911 calls to get the response? This may not be an Uvalde-class screw-up – but to me it’s certainly on the same list.
Category: Crime, Illegal Immigrants
The level of competency that differs from department to department is staggering. Larger departments with bigger budgets have their own academy and training facilities, but smaller ones rely on some community college classwork/certificate programs, cops from larger departments, and “other” qualifications. It’s a real crap shoot.
That said, that P.O.S. shouldn’t be in this country, but that’s Pedo Joe’s America. It’s not like our border is secure. 10,000 Russians pour over the border into Ukraine, and we spend $100B, but 6,000,000 illegals invade our country and that sorry-ass fuck Mayorkas says there is no problem
Mayor Beetlejuice is again crying a trail of tears again to the Governor of Texas over her poor sanctuary city filling up with poor people seeking sanctuary, and some how that is all his fault. He told her to take it up with the Big Guy, who is definitely going to want his 10%.
Let’s be clear though; we ain’t seen nothing yet. Once title 42 goes away illegal migration is going to make what has happened so far look like visiting the beach in mid winter. Get ready because once it starts it will be crazy pants.
“Family Says They Repeatedly Called 911 During Texas Shooter’s Rampage”
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2023-05-02/texas-shooting-rampage-911-calls-9985414.html
“When gunfire began blasting next door, waking a 6-week-old baby, several of the 16 people inside Sonia Guzmán’s home — all members of an extended family — decided it was time to call police.”
“They called 911 “at least five or six times,” on the night of the shooting, Guzmán’s brother Ramiro told The Washington Post. Each time, he said, the operators responded that officers were already at the scene.”
“Then why is he killing my family now?” Ramiro Guzmán recalled saying.”
“The sweeping search, concentrated about 45 miles northeast of downtown Houston, has upended the small town where people are asking questions about the police’s confusing response to the 911 calls and the authorities mistakenly releasing a photo of a Fort Worth man as the suspect. He is now getting death threats, his family said Monday. Concerns have also been raised about how the suspect, who authorities said is an undocumented immigrant and was deported several times, came to possess at least five guns.”
“On Sunday, Smith acknowledged that the agency’s Houston office had released an incorrect image of the suspect as the FBI received information “from a whole slew of agencies.”
“After previously reporting the suspect’s last name as “Oropeza,” the FBI said it was actually spelled “Oropesa.” Records by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement refer to the man as “Francisco Oropesa Perez-Torres.”
“The misidentified man, a cross-country truck driver, no longer wants to go to work because he doesn’t want people to mistake him for an alleged killer while filling up his gas tank or stopping at a weigh station, his brother-in-law said.”
Next time Mayorkas steps into Texas he should be arrested for negligent homicide. When he says he was just following orders, laugh in his face and tell him that’s what all fascists say.
If that is a real picture of the FBI showing up tell them they’re too late and should go back to pretending to be right wing rioters.
Agree. What are the Republicans waiting for? This is the perfect case to respond to the Dems indicting Trump- perfect crime, perfect jurisdiction, perfect venue, jury appeal, publicity, etc. What’s their excuse???
lazy uni-party slugs/??
On the advice of counsel I’m not going to suggest that if your neighbor is a psycho illegal alien that the government is unwilling to permanently address there are actions you might take that would resolve the issue…
Nor will I suggest that some of those actions involve putting that individual below grade when a new foundation is being poured. I mean the dude’s here illegally…and he’s a piece of garbage….and sometimes the average citizen needs to take out the trash….and being here illegally it’s not like he even exists should he simply “stop”…
Being Texas perhaps a self-defense option works just as well…but up here in New England where self defense even in your own home gets tricky quieter methods are in order…
🤣😂😅😉😎
“Karine Jean-Pierre Roasted For Claiming Illegal Immigration Is Down 90%: ‘These People Think We’re Stupid’ ”
“Fiscal year 2022 Ended 2ith 2,378,944 Migrant Encounters, The Highest Ever Recorded”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/karine-jean-pierre-roasted-claiming-illegal-immigration-90-people-think-stupid
“White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre was eviscerated by Twitter users after declaring that illegal immigration was down by 90% since implementing President Biden’s immigration policies.”
“During Monday’s press conference, a reporter questioned Jean-Pierre on how Biden plans to deal with illegal immigration. The press secretary insisted that Biden has already put forth efforts to address the “broken” immigration system “on his first day in this administration” and touted his alleged successes.”
“In the meantime, he has tools that he’s used to make sure we do this. We actually deal with the immigration system in a humane way, in a way that actually deals with what we’re seeing at the border. And that’s why you’ve seen the parolee program be so successful. When it comes to illegal immigration, you’ve seen it come down by more than 90%. And that’s because of this, the actions that this president has taken,” Jean-Pierre said.”
“She added, “But we know that more action needs to be taken. So it has to be legislative action. We’re going to continue to call Congress to do that. And so, this is important to this president. On day one, on day one, he put forth a legislation to move forward on this.”
When I envision a talking anus…
And a very poorly thought out affirmative action hire.
But, she checked so many boxes. Female 🗸, black 🗸, lesbian🗸, democrap🗸, hopelessly unqualified🗸.
The first three boxes are all the qualifications required for a job in the Biden administration. She gets bonus points for being an immigrant. Oh, you wanted qualifications like a journalism or communications degree? Job experience? You’re a racist and part of the patriarchy. Check your white privilege, you’re an oppressive colonialist homophobe.
“White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre was eviscerated by Twitter users after declaring that illegal immigration was down by 90% since implementing President Biden’s immigration policies.”
Big-city Democrat mayors were unavailable for comment… 🙄
The
illegal alienundocumented immigrant has been reported in the greater AO of the GB Compound, so we’ve been watching this closely.Liberty County, TX, is not one of our more prosperous counties, and their LEO budget reflects this.
San Jacinto County posted mug shots of the Francisco Oropesa / Oropeza with his tats, which lead me to believe he is gang-related.
I suspect that the neighborhood is a “little Mexico” with a lot of legal and illegal immigrants mixed – and very much a Mexican culture of keeping to themselves.
I’m not gonna jump the LEOs case until I know more. What other events may have been going on that took up manpower at the time?
The GB Compound is a good 15-20 minutes from any town, in an area where folks do, occasionally, target shoot. Fortunately most of them with safe backdrops, AFAIK none of them while drinking. We’d have to respond with overwhelming force or die long before any LEO came, though.
The other question that should be faced is: how did a 5-times deported illegal alien probable gang member get an AR-15? Or any firearm. Not legally, by any means.
Think he’d obey any new firearms regulations? Sure. /sarc
Note the tats
Ah, another oppressed youth fleeing tyranny and searching for opportunities in the US! Welcome him with open arms!
These people aren’t fleeing oppression, if they were they wouldn’t have rushed to the border waving the flags of their oppressed home countries.
They’re bringing what brought their own countries to their knees here — and saturating themselves in benefits only legal, hard working American citizens deserve. Based on what former shipmates working down in Brownsville at the ship breakers yards tell me, most of the ones they come across are wildly mentally unstable.
So they’re perfect democrats??? substitute “states” for “countries” and it fits perfectly… (the rest doesn’t require modification, it’s already accurate)
Only the best and brightest!
Texas needs to redouble their efforts in streamlining
illegal aliensundocumented immigrants to NYC, Boston, Chicago, and DC.No one from these areas seems to want to acknowledge the problem until it’s right there on their own doorstep.
And once they do acknowledge it they immediately shift blame to the GOP — yanno… the peeps who wanted the wall up in the first place.
The melting pot is now more like a punch bowl full of turds.
Excellent idea. Texas ought to bus this guy directly to Majorkas’ house and drop him off there.
Any person who would randomly shoot down innocent women and children, execution style, could care less about gun control laws.
I’d like to make a simple point here. Just because the Police have been called does not mean they have the probable cause to make an arrest. Once they arrive, they have to have a complainant willing to make a complaint AND PRESS CHARGES. All too often you get a call the person calling refuses to prosecute and does not even want the Police to make direct contact with them as they want to remain anonymous. Sometimes there is a good reason as like in this case the offender had been deported repeatedly and kept coming back. He is obviously a prohibited person yet still was able to obtain at least one weapon. Meaning he could be arrested, make bail and return home or get deported and 2 weeks later be right back.
Before you blame the Police for being “lax” you should at least determine if they were given what they needed to make an arrest. Then also understand even if they had that does not mean the hemorrhoid would be imprisoned or remain deported. This article does not provide that information and besides, it’s not like deportation was very freaking effective in this twit’s case.
I concur with the majority of opinions expressed here. I’d like to also point out that this completely preventable incident is being calculated in the “180 mass-shootings so far this year”, according to the gun grabbers.
Does anyone else remember when mass shootings were those rare events defined as one whacko going whacko? And the shooter was (nearly) always a white male?
Now the definition includes every time the scum bag gang bangers open fire in a drive-by. The consequence of this definition change is the clueless public’s perception that 180 times this year a crazed white male has opened fire in a shopping mall, school, concert, etc.
Yeah, we have a lot of problems. Guns aren’t one of them. Illegal guns, like illegal aliens and prohibited persons (criminals with guns), are part of the problem. We have the term gun control crammed down our throats every time there’s a shooting but allow “undocumented immigrants” to just flow across the border en masse, many of whom are criminals with ill intent.
The police response time isn’t the issue. The guns themselves aren’t the issue. The fact that this killer was repeatedly deported yet continued to return to the US and somehow acquired at least five firearms is the issue.
All these “prohibited” persons mostly get their guns from other criminals. Most such illegally acquired firearms are stolen from someone in their chain of custody, or they were acquired through a straw purchase. Usually, that is through a wife or girlfriend or someone else who can pass a background check.
If this POS was deported and returned, again and again, why was he not locked away in a federal pen for 10 or 20 years?
I’m sure the U.S. attorney must have busy worrying about
global warmingclimate change and how much to donate to FJB’s re-election campaign.run:program_/sarc Yes, dangerous and armed psychopaths are roaming the country, so obviously we should give up our guns fellas.
It’s the only way to be sure! end:program_/sarc
Agitators with lasers strapped to their heads, fill the Rio Grande. And big, beautiful bounties. The best bounties, believe me.
glasses on. Alligators. I meant alligators.
FFS.
Those murders were lawful because no humym is illegal.
The lead mother of Mothers Against Legal People Owning Guns (or whatever) made the comment that this mope had “access to a gun”.
Exactly! He had access to a gun.
In spite of the fact that he was a repeat offender, a felon, here illegally, was not an American citizen, and was thus in violation of several “commonsense” gun control laws these gun grabbers have always insisted would stop gun related crimes, he was able to have access to a gun!
I wonder how he managed to do that what with all those laws in place that were meant to stop him from doing that very thing?
Gee golly whizz….could it possibly be because he is a CRIMINAL? Could it be that, as a criminal, and as a person who by definition would not obey the law, he would NOT OBEY THE LAW? Could it be that a ball scratching, flea eating monkey like this guy, who thinks nothing of endangering his neighbors by firing off a rifle while he’s blitzed (or blizadoed as they say in Mexico), might not give half a decent FUCK about what the law has to say about him having access to a gun?
I’d have to say that might just be the fucking case.
As for access to a gun, he probably has friends in low places, aka the cartels that enable him to freely travel to the US on the sly so many times.
Oh WAITAMINNIT, the shooter is an ILLEGAL ALIEN who has been deported multiple times.
ILLEGAL ALIENS are prohibited by law from possessing firearms and ammunition, but that law failed.
The democrats voted in the open borders so why don’t they all take in all the border crossers into their homes. Problem solved.
Breaking news: According to reports the pos was apprehended by BORTAC agents in San Jacinto County, TX.
Don’t worry about his welfare, he’ll be treated better than an American. PINO, Cholera, and Mayorkas are probably weeping & praying for him right now. It was the scary black gun’s fault!
Too bad they brought him in alive. However, he is in Texas, so:
https://youtu.be/TgQRgT15f9U
It’s the evil assault weapon’s fault (and we should ban everything) when some straight white male with issues shoots people, but “racism” and “oppression” made ’em do it when they’re LGBT/BIPOC, for left/libtards.