We Don’t Understand Veterans

| April 16, 2023

This is one in a series of short discussions of the myriad ways our society in general, and the mental health field in particular, fail to understand the veteran culture. That there is a such a thing as a “Veteran Culture” as something unique is itself a hotly contested when not summarily dismissed concept.

The first thing to understand is the necessity to recognize the veteran culture as a unique constellation of experiences. This seems an obvious statement to all who at one time raised their hand and swore the oath. Ask a civilian to define the veteran culture and the most common reaction is a slow, vacant stare. This will generally be followed by some recitation of tropes learned from Hollywood, or worse, repetition of sensationalized headlines. Both are not just inadequate they are at best insulting. When those are the responses of a mental health professional, the consequences are dire.

When studying to become any sort of mental health professional, a large part of the curriculum is rightly devoted to the importance of understanding the culture of a person as a critical context of personality and ostensible dysfunction. This trend has dramatically increased, and rightly so, over the past twenty or so years.

The human brain is often conceptualized as a staggeringly complex computer. The study of psychology can then be thought of as learning the Human Operating System. Where this apt analogy fails is when we assume every human being uses the same OS. While all OS serve the same function, i.e., drive the device to perform specific tasks and in certain ways, inputting C++ commands into a computer running on Python may not get the intended results. Persist in using the wrong language and you could crash the entire system.

The same holds true in psychology. If we define dysfunction according to a culture in ways that do not apply, we are either going to diagnose healthy people as crazy, or crazy people as healthy. The most often used example is the challenge in determining psychosis, specifically hearing voices. In some cultures, those who claim to hear voices are revered as seers or some type of divinely guided mystic. In most Western cultures, it is considered a break from reality that requires intervention, probable medication and possible institutionalization.

So, what happens when we fail to recognize there is a culture to be understood, as we currently do with veterans and to a similar if lesser extent, First Responders. Though we frequently lump these groups together, particularly as so many veterans choose to become civilian First Responders, there are distinct differences. Most of those differences are due to the facets that create the veteran culture as a distinct entity.

One of the most obvious components of what constitutes the veteran culture relates to the development of the adult identity. Between the ages of 17 and 25, our core adult values are formed. Granted, they may not be crystallized, but the experiences we have at this stage significantly shape a large part of who we will be for the majority of adulthood. Those who go away from home to a four-year college have a set of experiences different from those who left high school and immediately entered the workforce. We recognize that those who spent those years in the military had a different experience, but due in large part to the small percentage of the population that serves, it is under-recognized as a unique formative experience when it is not wholly misunderstood.

To make matters worse, relatively few in the mental health field served in the military, yet the VA is the largest mental health employer in the nation. It should come as little surprise then that what is assumed about the veteran culture is significantly skewed. It would be like trying to define the culture of womanhood based on observations in the maternity ward. Not all women give birth, nor do those that do have babies all do so in a hospital setting. In addition, that is defining all womanhood by one experience while ignoring the rest of what constitutes the life of a woman.

There is another development that occurs between the ages of 17 and 25 that is universal but differs significantly between veterans and civilians. First, it is important to recognize this event.

The fact that teenage boys mentally and emotionally mature more slowly than their female peers is well established. What is relatively newly understood is what happens in the brain between the ages of 17 and 25. This is when the final developmental structure of the brain begins. This structure, the uncinate fasciculus is not well understood in all its functions, but we seem to have figured out a few things. It is a white matter structure that is impeded by testosterone. In addition, just like every other part of the body, brain included, the more it is used, the more robust it becomes. Interestingly, it also seems to be somewhat fragile, even brittle and highly susceptible to shearing forces.

One of the functions of the uncinate fasciculus, in the most simplistic terms, is to act as a superhighway between the impulse and thinking centers of the brain. So, the direct connection between impulsivity and thinking being slower to grow/less robust in males can explain why teenage boys are more prone to car accidents, extreme sports injuries and overall poor decision making compared to girls of the same age. Its nice to be able to point to a brain structure to explain what actuarial tables and parents have always known.

How this relates to veterans is both very direct and obvious, and not well-recognized.

Most members of the military are males who enter around age 18. In the civilian world, young men are making decisions for themselves on a continuous basis. In the military, the biggest day to day decision may involve selecting which pair of socks to wear based on overall crustiness. What to eat, when to eat, what to wear (aside from the above), what to do, when to sleep and countless other minor decisions are made for young recruits. These are all inhibitors on impulsivity, by design. Meaning, we can add the military to the entities that have always known young men of a certain age, left to their own devices, generally don’t make the best decisions. Granted, that is not the primary reason for the structure of military training, but it certainly plays a part. Now we can also say this strict structure, lack of choice and lack of need to make decisions supports the robust growth of the uncinate fasciculus.

In the military, particularly in basic training, young adults experience more physical activity and of a higher intensity than most of their civilian peers encounter. The concurrent assumed increase in testosterone is more than balanced out by the lack of opportunity for impulsivity. Pairing that increase in testosterone with a lack of decision on what type, when and how that physical activity occurs seems to be the key. Ask any parent and they will tell you how much the child they sent off to basic training a few short months ago has matured, physically, mentally and emotionally. Now, ask the parents of a college freshman after the first semester if their son seems to have matured and the response will usually include some measure of dismay.

All of this is to say that in the most basic ways, the experience of being in the military is different than going to a four year college or directly into the workforce. That the significance of this is so under-recognized has far-reaching implications. If this is not understood, is it a surprise that the existence of a distinct military culture is not appreciated? Then we wonder why veterans are hesitant, or simply do not trust mental health professionals.

When a veteran seeks mental health services, it is usually well past the point it was necessary. The fault lies solely on the mental health community. While all of the above seems like common sense, particularly to those in the veteran community, it is revelatory to too many mental health professionals. When it is not dismissed as unimportant.

Just for the record, this is not an excuse for veterans not to seek mental health care. It is a reason many, too many, don’t. Veterans know they are not understood. They are not seen. They are not recognized or respected. Sadly, at least for the time being, the burden is on the veteran to find a mental health professional that does understand. Or, is at least open to learning. Afterall, it is your well-being at stake.

In future installments, we’ll look at some of the ways veterans can use even a sub-par mental health professional to their advantage. If you are struggling, reach out to a buddy or call 988, and press 1 if you want to identify as a veteran. If you are not struggling, reach out and be the buddy to someone else.

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5JC

I’m going to say that as a part of “veteran culture” there are certain trend indicators, especially among enlisted soldiers:

  • At a minimum, a healthy distrust of government.
  • When the soldier initially joined, they were healthier, smarter, more emotionally stable, less criminal, and less fat than most of their contemporaries. This trend most likely continued for most of those whom served. We will just say slightly above average.
  • Have a desire for privacy more than most.
  • When they joined, they were volunteers (post draft era). After serving, less likely to volunteer than before.

Certainly veterans have absolutely no reason to trust medical professionals and shrinks. Some simple examples of why not:

  • The DNA library, that the military lied about and promised would never be available outside of the military, which is how they got it through congress. What this means is that absolutely nothing is sacred and they will more happily hand over your medical and mental information to whomever wants it.
  • CW and Radiation experiments on troops. As well as drug tests, experimental surgeries and all kinds of experiments without even informed consent. You are not much more than a rat in a lab. https://www.livescience.com/12991-10-outrageous-military-experiments.html https://www.npr.org/2015/06/22/415194765/u-s-troops-tested-by-race-in-secret-world-war-ii-chemical-experiments
  • Agent Orange, Burn Pits and all the rest of it with the associated lies. In other words; “we know something is bad for you, but we don’t care, or it costs too much to do something about it”.
  • The big push by big government to end gun rights by any means necessary.

This isn’t about “culture”. It’s about being a product of an enviornment.

KoB

“The war is over! Dogs and Soldiers…KEEP OFF THE GRASS!”

jeff LPH 3 63-66

They had those signs in Norfolk Virginia away back when.

USAFRetired

My mother said they had them in the early 50s when she was assigned to NAS Norfolk. There was a particular Ladies Clothing establishment in Wards Corner that frustrated the hell out of her when she tried to buy a wedding dress. I can’t remeber their name but the were still advertising on the radio in the mid 80s.

Commissar

While I agree with your framing, I find it interesting how the members of this particular subculture of veterans tend to attack other veterans suffering from health effects related to their service.

Accusing them of disability seekers, or disability riders. Or “exploiting their disability” etc.

That same logic is what has been used to justify not helping veterans. The notion that they can’t keep “undeserving” from benefiting from any programs designed to deal with the consequences of health effects from things like Agent Orange and Burn Pits.

It is also the logic that caused the Warrior Transition Units to have such a systemically toxic treatment culture. To the extent that the job opening announcements did not emphasize medical expertise, but rather expertise in detecting medical fraud.

Causing soldiers seeking help with health effects to be treated as malingerers by medical inquisitors and hacks who landed their after being shown to be incompetent in their actual medical expertise.

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Hate_me

The reality is likely some amalgam of both extremes, with fewer and fewer fitting into the nuanced middle.

It’s undeniable that there are a large number of malingerers within the service/veteran community. There are also many genuine and invisible injuries. Far too many malingerers get away with it (to sometimes huge personal gain), while far too many legitimately injured receive sub-par care. Push comes to shove, I’d prefer to extend the benefit of the doubt – but that gets costly when everyone gets a pass.

I can’t speak to all WTU commands (they’re now termed SRU – Soldier Recovery Unit – in at least a nominal nod to treatment rather than separation) but, from what I’ve witnessed of one within the last 24 months, cadre was effectively barred from even using terms like malingering or suggesting that a soldier was taking advantage of the system.

The pendulum has swung the other way from what you may have experienced. Some of this might be due to expected drawdowns from a new Democrat regime (both parties look to save money on military spending, D’s tend toward manpower while R’s lean more toward things like BRAC), though I imagine cultural trends like the “me too” and “believe all victims” concepts played a part.

Despite the name change, they seem more and more insistent on transitioning even those soldiers who could recover into medical retirement. Actual treatment is a much harder sell. Cui bono, my initial assumption is to pass the buck to the VA.

*Edit: It is understandable that a community focused on stolen valor would be more primed against those who fake their medical needs.

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OAM

“He noticed my eyes are the same color as my blouse (something I contrived). That’s sexual harassment”! and “there I was, knee deep in a pile of brass…”

Real women hate the former. Real veterans hate the latter, and for the same reasons.

Faux-feminists and valor thieves are the ones crying foul over the justifiable disdain.

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Hate_me

Culture is, in large part, a product of an environment.

Honor and Courage

Trust!! Is that like when you are less than 2Ks from your Enemies’ HQ in Cambodia, and some Civilian 5,000 miles away Stops your movement. Change the rules to WIN.

timactual

Better to actually define “win” before you start making rules.

timactual

I would add the word “clearly”, as in clearly define “win”.

Steve1371

A very well written article this! I look forward to the next chapter.

aGrim

OAM: I thoroughly enjoyed your explanation of the biological and psychological development of young men as impacted by military service. I see the parallels in my own experiences.
As for the psychiatrics and psychologists related to veterans, I hope your future articles explore the politics and financial aspects of the very large push for veteran psychiatric services.  In my opinion, there is an outsized push for these services which are belied by veteran statistics. The statistics clearly show we do much better in all facets of life compared to our peers.  Of course, there is a bell curve and undoubtedly there are plenty of veterans in need of psychiatric services, but boy do I get annoyed at the constant “… if you are having thoughts of suicide…” from the VA medical providers.    

aGrim

I’ll be ranting with you. In the original 22/day veteran suicides study, http://www.va.gov/opa/docs/suicide-data-report-2012-final.pdf, that started this whole BS, the authors admitted (to their credit) that the study had serious limitations. They drew from VA stats AND ~ 27 State’s death certificate records, the latter being very problematic as there was no verification of a deceased’s veteran status. This same problem resides in all the homeless veteran studies. The suicide study has valid information, but all the homeless studies are crap. This problem has, euphemistically saying, led to some “interesting” veteran care. Don’t get me started on the STARRS study.

Hate_me

I, for one, will never see a psychiatrist as long as the threat of red flag laws hang over our heads.

The last thing I want is to discourage those vets who could benefit from counseling/therapy from seeking treatment, but defending individual freedom is probably THE greatest moral reason behind military service. Even the suggestion that seeking treatment could undermine one’s freedom… I would rather be sick than be a slave.

*This is NOT a cry for help. If push comes to shove, I’ll keep and bear the weapons I choose to keep and bear. If I must, I’ll raise the black flag and declare war on humanity in order to do so.

OAM

Hence my closing-find someone who either understands or is open to learning.

Hate_me

Finding one is risky, in and of itself. You have to share something before you know if you can trust them with it.

George V

OAM, your article made me think back to my time of growing up, raised by parents of “the Greatest Generation”. It was much different from young men growing up today in what was expected or tolerated. The men of that generation had their uncinate fasciculus trained by either the Great Depression or boot camp and combat in WWII. When I was growing up the nation’s culture was veteran’s culture.

And, I think telling someone they have a small uncinate fasciculus makes a great insult.

aGrim

As an insult, I am so stealing that… 🙂

poetrooper

OAM, is there such a condition as U/F Envy? 😜 

BTW, very informative/interesting article. Keep ’em coming…

ChipNASA

Well well OAM, and my apologies for being about 10 days behind, STILL….but I belay my point….
You can now include yourself in the good company of folks that have either by accident or on specific purpose, included themselves as contributors of the esteemed As(s)teroid of Insults®™

This dipstick has a small and unremarkable uncinate fasciculus.

KoB

Spot on, George V. Same with me, as it was with many of us here. And as we’ve discussed, many times, it all goes back to proper “Home Training”. Instilling a strong character, personal responsibility, and work ethic should start early in life and as one grows older keep increasing that level.

It takes a Vet to understand a Vet simply because a non Vet has no clue of what the Vet went thru, whether the Vet was a hard charging, door kicking, killing machine, or the REMFest of all REMF POG. Not even that hard for some of us to understand, lying, embellishing, attention whoring, Valor Thieving, POSes because we have seen them up close and many times had to take up the slack of malingerers. May help explain our utter disgust for these despicable ones.

I admit to being slightly crazy…it has kept me from going insane. And I learned a loooooong time ago that (a) Nobody gets out alive, (b) It is MY responsibility to make my way thru life, (c) how to make lemonade from life’s lemons.

Q? “Who you gonna make happy with that little, small uncinate fasciculus?”

A; Little, small me!

With a nod toward the subject of the WOT (clouds), it is my admiration, appreciation, and adoration of OAM that keeps me on Cloud 9.

timactual

“I admit to being slightly crazy…it has kept me from going insane.”

Heh.
I like that.

KoB

Poe, did ya ever think that Waylon borrowed it from me way back yonder? 😜

timactual

Just being able to correctly pronounce it demonstrates an insultingly superior verbal ability. Being a humble sort, myself, I am not even going to try; I will accept my inferior status.

AZRobert

Speaking of the VA, been putting off my yearly check and finally went in and during the vitals check was asked my preferred Pronouns and Sexuality!

I responded that I’m male and Mr. or my first name was fine and added that any small study of Scriptures shows that the Demons refer to themselves as They/Them, Many/legion etc… and I also love God, life and the Wife and have no plains to kill myself!

BTW it was also a Temp Doc waiting for another new one, about 6 in the last few years too.

My the Lord my Mercy!

5JC

Great, now you are the list for talking about God and the bible stuff.

akpual

Most of what nonveterans “know” about veterans they “learned” from tv shows such as NCIS etc. It’s not as popular to be a vet as it was a few years ago in part because of these shows.

11B-Mailclerk

The Marxist, and various derivatives (Communist, sSocialist, Collectivist, Third Way, “Anarchist” Progressive), believe with great conviction that society is best ruled by a small self-selected “proletariat” elite.

And who in American society best fits that description? Hmmm. Small, self-selected, working class, elite…

Thus they want veterans seen as pitiable disfunctional failures. We are in the way of their imagined elite status. And we seldom agree with their bullshit ravings.They want us lumped in with the street-corner bullshit-artist beggars, else we refute their ” rule” by merely existing.

Hatchet

You, I salute. The Marxist, and their various derivatives – I will always salute with my largest MIDDLE FINGER..

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timactual

Oddly enough, almost all of that “proletariat” elite have been from the middle class or higher.

11B-Mailclerk

Bourgeois. First into the abbatoir.

OAM

There is much truth in your words. Denigrate what you are not and can never be due to your own choices by undervaluing the benefits of those choices and those who made those different choices.

My favorite retort to those self-important over educated twits is, it is much harder to get into the military than it is to get into college. The former selects, the latter accepts.

11B-Mailclerk

Down deep, they know it. And thus are outraged.

poetrooper

That’s that uncinate fasciculus envy Poe asked OAM about up above… 😉 

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Skivvy Stacker

Oh, do I ever know about this.
If the VA thinks you MIGHT be dangerous, the will Red Flag you. That means you will be searched by the VA Police whenever you come into the VA, or by security or local PD if you enter any other Federal Building in the country.
How do you get on that list? Raise your voice. Call your doctor a moron. Say; “I don’t think I’m getting the best care”. Stop a VA employee from abusing a patient. Own a firearm.
Or my personal favorite; commit suicide on the grounds of a VA Hospital because you couldn’t get care; they consider this an act of violence….against THEM…and I wouldn’t put is past them Red Flagging you, and having your body searched before letting you be buried in a National Cemetery.
Speaking here as someone who was Red Flagged for SIX FUCKING YEARS.

Jay

People ask me a LOT: “What the hell is wrong with you?”

I answer, partially in jest and partially in fact; “Let me tell you what’s right with me, it’s a much shorter list.”

A lot of vets, especially those with combat experience use black humor to deal with stress and the fact most of America doesn’t “get it” doesn’t make it any easier.

Skivvy Stacker

A fellow Marine, and a dear friend, passed away this past week. He was a Grunt in Vietnam. He was wounded when he stepped into a punji pit, and a stick went through his foot, and all the way up into his shin.
He showed me the scar. Man was it BEAUTIFUL! A scar to be proud of. In the dictionary, under the word “Scar”, they have picture of that one. I mean it is a scar to end all scars. I told him this, and he was smiling and proud the whole time.
When I use the same language around people who have never been in the Corps (or other service) they react with horror, or disgust, or shock that I could even THINK such things, and that my friend would think this was funny, or be proud of it.
Civilians just don’t fucking get it.
That scar was a much better thing to come home with, than to come home in a silver box draped in a U.S. flag.
It didn’t kill him, and it got him to safety and rest for a little while.
I think it was also what got him transferred to HMX-1.

Dave Hardin

Uncinate fasciculus – proof that White Matter… matters.

USMCMSgt (Ret)

In general terms, most veterans have a disdain for anything or anyone who is stupid, and other veterans accept that – and don’t give a rats ass what others think about it.