Argument over Stolen Valor preceded officer-involved shooting.
William Allen
I doubt any of our regular readers would be shocked at the prospect of Valor Vultures having less than a full bag of brains. Confronting people you suspect of Stolen Valor requires more brains than bravado in many cases.
The two involved in the incident, Marianne Roepe and William Allen, both of Camdenton, had been at Walmart prior to the shooting where someone questioned them about their military service. The pair were wearing fatigues, with guns on the belts, but when a man asked to see their military IDs, they couldn’t provide them.
Roepe and Allen then followed the man to the McDonalds on Highway 54 where they again exchanged words about stolen valor. The pair then left the restaurant on foot.
When the pair were located, an officer noticed Roepe already had her gun cocked in her holster. Then Allen warned the officers to stay back because they were making him “jumpy”.
Allen refused to cooperate, and officers eventually used a taser to take him into custody. After the taser was deployed and Allen fell to the ground, Roepe allegedly pulled her weapon from her holster, and pointed it at the officers. One officer responded with three gunshots, striking Roepe in the lower abdomen. She was transported to a Columbia hospital where she was last listed in stable condition.
Roepe is charged with unlawful use of a weapon. Allen is charged with third-degree assault of a special victim.
Stolen Valor, it is always an indication that you are dealing with a deeply disturbed individual. Sadly, I could not find a picture of Ms Roepe but I doubt she is up to posting selfies yet.
Category: Air Force Poser, Valor Vultures
“Young and his wife explained that the woman was known to walk around in military apparel and have a prop gun on her hip as she frequently takes part in Civil War reenactments.”
https://www.komu.com/news/midmissourinews/mshp-investigating-sunday-night-shooting-involving-camdenton-police-officer/article_fae88072-d7b2-11ed-aef4-d7a67d7f003d.html
We believe there are two pictures on this link depicting Marianne Roepe as a Civil War re-enactor.
https://militarywarroundtable.org/?p=102
Found a photo of her. I believe she is the one on the right… can’t be the horse so it is process of elimination.
https://militarywarroundtable.org/?p=102
We found 3 pictures if her on the site that the ninja family, Daisy Cutter and 5JC provided.
We believe she is the one wearing the Gray uniform of The Confederate Army.
The pictures are protected, so we could not download.
The “horse” comment is hilarious…😆
“John Wilson dedicated the new historical plaque, along with Patric Milcic, and his horse Sam, and Marianne Roepe.”
Thank You, DC.
Not Stolen Valor.
Because if that was the case, then both KoB and rgr769, both Re-Enactors, may be accused of “Stolen Valor” by the individual who asked the couple for a Military ID card.
Guess that same person may ask children dressed on Halloween as Military may get the same inquisition…
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Thank You, DC.
Our comment to KoB:
do not think this is a case of “Stolen Valor”.
To say that CW Re-Enactors are “Stolen Valor” is stretching it quite a bit.
It sounds as if the person who questioned them and asked for a Military ID card was looking for a food fight, as well as not being knowledgable about The War Between The States or Military Re-Enactments of any era.
Heck, that person needs to stay away from Gettysburg, Yorktown, Normandy, movie sets, TV sets, etc etc…
ninja,
Check the news stories…
At McDonald’s,
they were both wearing modern BDUs/fatigues
(and packing heat).
Mcmilitary mcdiscount on mcnuggets?
Or else??
It would be great to know what they claimed, and why.
Wearing BDUs/fatigues or packing is not Stolen Valor.
The person who asked for their ID cards either had too much time on his hand or loves to instigate a fight or is a bully/troublemaker..or thinks he is the Savior of Stolen Valor.
So Sad it ended this way.
ninja,
Of course not.
Then again, we don’t know what transpired at WalMart.
Not yet.
Plenty of mall and store videos out there of SV phony heroes plying their Rambo stories,
often for discounts or handouts.
These 2 could have been doing the same.
We don’t know yet.
Especially, since they didn’t just walk away from WalMart, even if caught telling Iraq or Afghanistan tales.
News failed to tell a more complete story here,
so here’s hoping they fill in the holes.
Daisy Cutter, referring to his/herself in the third person, notices that ninja also does the same. Mr. Dave Hardin may need to add a posting profile field that allows us to post our preferred pronouns. Otherwise, Mr. Dave Hardin may be deemed insensitive to gender and binary identity.
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Hardin is insensitive. Who knew?
*grin*
It takes a MANLY Man to wear a Pink Bathrobe as well as posting his photo as his Avatar on the Internet…
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I had a feeling once… didn’t care for it.
I don’t think anyone was accusing them of Stolen Valor for wearing repo Civil War uniforms. I did it for over ten years. No one I encountered in my Cav uniforms thought I was trying to look like a present day soldier. However, when going into a restaurant or store, I certainly wasn’t wearing a percussion pistol. It and my carbine stayed locked in the truck or horse trailer.
These cretins were asking for trouble and they got it.
She is not even that well versed as a reenactor. That holster is totally farb.
Yes, it is. The people in the pics are all pretty farby, except for the lady in the period dress.
Daisy, your pics in the link show a rather weak CW demonstration. The woman? in the Confederate infantry uniform is obviously wearing someone else’s uniform. The fellow with the horse portraying a Union army cavalry officer has his stirrup leathers installed backwards on his saddle. These “reenactors” are what we called “farbs,” which comes from the phrase, “far be it to me to criticize, but” you have problems with your uniform and gear.
My son became a world class authenticity-Nazi after a couple of years reenacting.
I thought “farb” was for “fallacious accouterments, ridiculous baggage”.
Have heard that used by various reenactors.
Same types; just different alternate descriptors. Invariably, there are glaring errors in their portrayals.
Flag.
And Tat.
From the Book.
Of the Fake.
Roepe pic.
That flag in the background?
Our Senior Class in High School voted to have that flag on our Class Ring…and our Senior Class was diverse, representing all backgrounds since alot of us were Army Brats.
We had that flag painted on our gym wall. Our Football players touched that flag before every game. And SURPRISE! Our Football team was a mixture of Blacks and Whites..
No one complains about the BLM or the Alphabet Flag….
Will say this again…
Alot of folks in the South were too poor to own Slaves.
They were protecting their land/property.
Ironically, today, 2023, folks are moving to The South.
Pennsylvania. Home of John Fettermann, Joe Biden, “Rachel” Levine…
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ninja,
You got that right.
PA is a mess.
And to this day,
county and state party committees in PA
(both DEM and REP),
do NOTHING to verify a candidate’s work history bio
OR military service claims.
You’d think they’d learn from New York and George Santos.
Some may have fought to protect their lands and property. But normally the landless owned no slaves anyway. Since they were poor and had few options what were they going to do anyway? Why someone serves seldom has anything to do with the policy of the government anyway.
Either way the states left because of slavery, it was spelled out in their articles of secession. A lot of those without slaves, or dealings with slave weren’t interested in leaving the union or fighting the war. When Alabama left the Union, Winston County left Alabama. They only had about 100 slaves in the whole county and weren’t interested in fighting a war for rich planters. The response by Alabama was to arrest the delegate they sent, who voted against secession for secession from Alabama. Irony? Nay, hypocrisy.
So just like when the first tribal leaders started some shit with some other tribal leaders, the members of the tribe went off to fight.
5JC, are you close to Winston Co? Not many outside that location know that story. There is a place there called “Loony’s Tavern” that used to do a reenactment of the story that you mention above.
I have been there on a few motorcycle rides in Bankhead NF. I’ve seen the dual union/ confed statue in Double Springs, the wooden jail and eaten at Chef Troys. It’s a nice area but don’t tell anyone.
I live in Marion Co. Just West of it. Originally from Texas, but really like it here. If you are into the outdoors, it’s a great place to raise a family.
Also, Troy’s is AWESOME! Best jambalaya in the whole world!
ninja,
This pic I found on her FakeBook page,
before anyone had pics…
was to verify.. that it’s her.
And,
the comment lines… went over everyone’s heads (but 1).
She FA’d.. and she FO.
Even her Confederate flag is bogus. The real Confederate battle flag was square, not rectangular.
Not sure which one she is.
https://militarywarroundtable.org/?p=102
Based on other comments she will be the one in the Union uniform.
We think she is the female wearing the gray Confederate Army uniform.
I may have gone color blind.
There is another picture of him in psycho clown face out there, at least I think it is him.
Losers.
Coupla nut jobs that seem to be a few beers shy of a six pack. Just had to go FO&FA. And gave WBTS Re-enactors some bad press. I’d be curious about the SV Claims, no details on that. Claim to have ridden with “Bloody Bill” Anderson or Senator Jim Lane’s Redlegs? Could they sing The Battle Hymn of the Republic or Dixie with equal enthusiasm? Are their horses pulling a wagon up in Kansas by now? Too many “Missouri Boat Rides”? The redbone hound has turned into a speckled pup.
*GRRRRRRR*
KoB:
We do not think this is a case of “Stolen Valor”.
To say that CW Re-Enactors are “Stolen Valor” is stretching it quite a bit.
It sounds as if the person who questioned them and asked for a Military ID card was looking for a food fight, as well as not being knowledgable about The War Between The States or Military Re-Enactments of any era.
Heck, that person needs to stay away from Gettysburg, Yorktown, Normandy, movie sets, TV sets, etc etc…
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Yeah, kinda figured all that. She is the one wearing the CSA SarMaj jacket, ill fitting (which in itself is kinda authentic, the fit I mean) but she is kinda a FARB (“fallacious accoutrements & reprehensible baggage”). I have a number of different period uniforms (Blue and Gray) and as you pointed out in another comment, most serious re-enactors, be it WBTS or any other time frame, strive to make their kit be as true to the period as they can make it. Uniformity of uniforms didn’t really come into being until after the WBTS got started good and “uniforms” were being produced. In the beginning, there were a number of CSA uniforms that were Blue and a number of USA that were Gray. Caused some bad cases of confusion in the early days, just as did the original Stars and Bars being confused with the Stars and Stripes (which led to the adoption of the St Andrews Cross Flag Design used by ANV CSA Troops). Not a whole lot of “uniformity” in the uniforms of Missouri State Troops that were fighting in MO. And there was lots of brutality, on BOTH sides in that AO. The “Border Wars” didn’t get near the press that the actions in the Eastern Theater did. Many scenes in “Josey Wales” were historically accurate.
I have a number of females in my Regiment and everyone is as good a trooper that every tore a cartridge. Not only can they act the part, they look the part. Like anything else, it boils down to the training…and I’m a stickler for that.
Good chance this whole episode was brought on by “What we have here…is failure to communicate.” Not a smart move allowing some other dumbass goad you into a confrontation and it is surely not a smart move to draw down on an LEO.
Long hot summer ahead as we await kick-off. gabn/gabaf/rtr/hbtd
As always, KoB NAILED IT…
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Thank You for the feedback.
The ninja family/we/him/her/he/she/them/it are burned out with the rhetoric about the South…
Before you know it, kickoff will here…😉😎
Now if we can only get rid of Ole Brandon Boy, his Corrupt family and the rest of his Useless Crew…😆
gabn/gabaf/hbtd/rtr
” In the beginning, there were a number of CSA uniforms that were Blue and a number of USA that were Gray.”
And then there were the Zouaves.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/american-civil-war/zouave-regiments-civil-war.html?firefox=1
Three shots. Striking her in the abdomen. It doesn’t say that all three hit her, but if they did, just damn!!!
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“had her gun cocked in her holster”
No comment.
I’m thinking M1911 in Condition1.
What manner of fuckery is all this then?
Like someone else we all know about….
They’ve been claiming the “PROP GUN” argument to pack heat in public.
His was LOADED when he acted up and got himself tased,
and they were both previously seen shooting their “prop” guns elsewhere.
You know…. Like on a western movie set.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(upcoming_film)
A “prop gun” is technically any gun that is the “property” of the theatrical company. Most guns used in movies and TV shows are real guns that have been modified, or not, and shoot blanks. There are numerous companies that supply them to movies and TV shows. The revolvers are usually real with no modifications. The semi-auto pistols and submachine guns have to have restrictions installed in their barrels so they will cycle with blanks.
I have been watching some of the 20 years of “Gunsmoke” episodes. All their “prop” guns are real single actions, lever rifles, carbines and shotguns. Practically every rifle is a model 1892 Winchester rifle or carbine. I have a trapdoor Springfield carbine that was originally owned by the Western prop company, an looks like it was in hundreds of cavalry scenes. I used it in my Indian Wars portrayal in the Battle of the Little Bighorn. I might add that in almost 25 years of reenacting and cowboy action shooting, no one was ever shot
and injured. (However, there was a flaky reenactor from France participating in a large Gettysburg reenactment in the early 1990’s that forgot to remove the ramrod from his musket and fired it through the arm of another reenactor. The one exception that proves my experience.)
So they were playing barracks lawer. “It’s a prop gun” versus a “non-gun”, so they could weasel.
“Don’t worry. It’s a prop gun.”
“I never claimed it was a non-gun or unloaded.”
Or “Don’t worry. It’s loaded with blanks”.
As the late Jon-Erik Hexum would say, if he were still among the living.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum
“Allen is charged with third-degree assault of a special victim”.
What is a “special victim”?
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Just speculating, but in many jurisdictions assault/battery on LEO escalates the basic charge to an enhanced category. I seem to remember a while back they made killing a cop a Federal crime?
There’s got to be more to this story since LEOs were involved.
Did the person who asked for their Military ID felt “threaten” when the couple followed him to McDonalds?
Did they threaten the guy with their “weapons” that he called 9-11?
Something is not right with this story.
ninja,
Yep. Agreed.
It started with 2 nuts in “fatigues” (not Civil War era gear)
packing heat at a WalMart.
But these 2 escalated it..
all the way from a WalMart to a McDonald’s.
Future court news should be interesting.
Here We Go, Folks…
“U.S. Intel Agencies May Change How They Monitor Social Media, Chatrooms After Missing Leaked U.S. Documents For Weeks”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-intel-agencies-missed-classified-documents-leaked-on-discord-rcna79404
“The Biden administration is looking at expanding how it monitors social media sites and chatrooms after U.S. intelligence agencies failed to spot classified Pentagon documents circulating online for weeks, according to a senior administration official and a congressional official briefed on the matter.”
“The administration is now looking at expanding the universe of online sites that intelligence agencies and law enforcement authorities track, the official said.”
“Watching a public chatroom is fair game, but law enforcement agencies don’t have the legal authority to monitor a private online chatroom without probable cause, the former officials said.”
“We do not have nor do we want a system where the United States government monitors private internet chats,” said Glenn Gerstell, former general counsel of the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020.”
“U.S. laws prohibit searching private chatrooms preemptively and “scanning for classified documents” that may or may not be there, Gerstell said.”
“As a democracy, the U.S. requires law enforcement authorities to balance national security with civil liberties, said James Lewis, a former senior intelligence official and now a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank.”
Wow. Just, hold on. Hold the fuck on.
“Watching a public chatroom is fair game, but law enforcement agencies don’t have the legal authority to monitor a private online chatroom without probable cause, the former officials said.”
“We do not have nor do we want a system where the United States government monitors private internet chats,” said Glenn Gerstell, former general counsel of the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020.”
“As a democracy, the U.S. requires law enforcement authorities to balance national security with civil liberties, said James Lewis, a former senior intelligence official and now a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank.”
My two cents?
This was a deliberate leak, indeed, with the intent of lighting a fire for the new domestic spying authorities the government is going to grant itself.
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ninja,
Excellent comment…
but I believe you wanted this over on the new “Egypt” article.
Egypt, our ally…trying to sell arms to Russia
David | April 14, 2023 | 7 Comments
Looks like another American Stasi police state move. “Never let a crisis go to waste.” I also recall a “clapper” admitting under oath the NSA sweeps up electronic communications of practically everyone, although he claimed it wasn’t “wittingly.”
“it wasn’t “wittingly.” ”
The jokes write themselves.
It might be more useful to monitor and track how classified information is stored and accessed and who has access to it; all that “need to know” and clearance stuff. Kind of like locking the barn door before the horse is stolen instead of looking for the horse all over the countryside.
But their goal is country-wide surveillance. If the horse never gets out, they don’t get to go look everywhere for it
*smacks forehead*
Of course! I stand corrected.
Is it just me, or is there an increasing amount of drama and news stories coming out of WalMart, Target and Waffle House?
Nope, it is just you.
Play “Find The Veteran” in the video.
The stupid is strong with that woman. WTF did she think she was going to accomplish pulling a gun on Cops while making an arrest?
Speaking of Stolen Valor and police involvement….
We know him for ballcaps, worn with Boy Scout uniforms.
And a custom “PH ARBRN” license plate.
And a town police chief vouching for his Purple Heart(s).
April 2023 – Now he’s flyin’ a Special Forces flag in front of his home.
Guess who???
To my knowledge,
there has been NO police action on this SV phony,
other than the chief playing phony defender for his phony ass,
nor any police action on anyone approaching and confronting this SV phony.
Did anything ever come from the police chief threatening MP / VG?
The PH is short for phony.
Holdup. Three rounds center mass (lower abdomen) with a service pistol and the “victim” is in stable condition? We may need to change how we teach small arms marksmanship.
One of the articles linked here said only one round hit. That sounds more likely.
Let’s hope it never breeds
Sounds like she took 3 rounds to the baby maker.
Looks like Roepe will be at the end of her roepe after her hospital stay. I’m glad the LEO’s roeped her in before she could go any further. I think I’l watch the silent movie the roepin fool starring Will Rogers.
Goat Roepe (slang) n. A confusing, disorganized situation often attributed to or marked by human error.
The adventures of Bonnie and Turd.
This dude and his gal pal are what we called “dufi” in reenactor speak. Dufi is the plural of dufus. Unfortunately, quite a few can be found in the reenactment hobby.
Dufi seem to be attracted to anything involving uniforms and firearms. I was a security guard once upon a time. Like working with Barney Fife with a full load of ammo. Scary, sometimes.
Yup, I did the armed security guard gig for about seven months after I left AD. I am reasonably certain I was the only armed guard who had formal training on my sidearm.
I was licensed in the state of Florida, which had only recently required security guards to be licensed after an unfortunate incident where a security guard who was a felon was carrying a weapon and (surprise, surprise!) actually used it to kill an alleged trespasser. My supervisor, an ex-police officer (surprisingly many of those), actually exhorted us to “blow away” trespassers. I discretely advised him of the impropriety of such actions. To his credit he did correct himself and advise his subordinates of the legal limits we worked under.
Didn’t fix the stupid, though. Some folks should not even be allowed to look at weapons.
Yeah, cause we all know they wore cammies during the civil war, so you’d want to be as authentic as possible when going in and out of stores.
Whoops, guess I should have read through the comments all the way before replying. I now see her in her Rebel uni.
Here’s the mug shot for both people.