Russian soldiers provide mundane details about the war in Ukraine and about the Russian Military
Communications between Russian soldiers and their families have left a lot of experiences and accounts available for intercept. Many of these intercepts have been packaged into videos with translations, then posted online. The chosen videos below provide a sample of the mundane experiences that individual soldiers relay to their families regarding how the war is playing out for them.
Retreat from Kherson:
One of the Russian Commanders talks to his wife. He delivers the news that his unit retreated a little. The news surprises his wife, as Russian media describes things as going well for the Russians. She thought they were in Dudchany, then Kachkarivka, but the Russians had already left those locations by the time the call was made. Further questioning from the wife gets an admission that the commander’s unit had abandoned the Kherson area on one side of the river.
More on Kherson:
In this communication intercept, a Russian provides more details about his command’s actions relative to pulling out of the Kherson area. We get some details of the battle damage that they sustained. He describes how a drone flew over them, then they received mortar rounds. The Ukrainians are making maximum use of drones in the theater, assigning them different tasks for different purposes.
The second intercept is from the DPR, “Donetsk People’s Republic”, from a pro-Russian soldier. This soldier complained about not receiving the full pay that he was promised. He was not the only one having issues with pay. This soldier’s frustration resulted in his writing a resignation letter. In many of these intercepts, the Russian being recorded declared the intent to write a resignation letter, or that he had already written one.
Many of these intercepts over the past months have described anywhere from a 15% to 25% “remain in unit” rate within a specific command. Many are killed and wounded, others simply quit and just go AWAL.
Russian soldier complains about Russian military leadership:
Think many military and civilian “bosses” are “stupid”? The soldiers in these intercepts criticize their leaders. For example, their leaders have a knack for making the same mistakes repeatedly. After a soldier details his list of complaints, his mother basically advises him to “jump ship”.
The second intercept runs with the same theme. His wife tells him to “start a riot” after he provides his complaints. The soldier relayed a story that involved a commander that did not care that they were being fired at by a tank. This commander just wanted them to shoot without necessarily factoring the tank threat.
Mundane front-line details that surprise family back home:
One of the many common sayings on these intercepts is, “Don’t believe what they tell you on the news.” They’re talking about the difference between what their news say and what is happening on the ground. The Russians are being told that things are going well, and that they are winning.
This soldier also describes issues with provisions, like a 1.5 litter bottle of water being shared among 8 people. The soldiers do not always receive the equipment they need, their supply situation is “bad”. They’re constantly losing vehicles, including to their own mines. His sister touches up on Russia’s violating their own specifications for who would be mobilized.
The soldier in the second intercept describes his unit’s intent to give up 60 kilometers possibly to get it back, but they had previously given up 100 kilometers. They also talk about “cleansing operations” that the Russians do in areas they control. They go house to house, then kill the people that they find. He didn’t appear to differentiate between combatant and civilians. The Bucha massacre describes the results of such a “cleansing operation”.
A soldier mobilized in September provides his personal experience of the war:
Here’s an account of a Russian that was mobilized in September. During the bus ride, some of the conscripts wanted to beat the bus driver up. Some of the conscripts were apparently drunk. They spend 6 days to prepare for deployment, including equipment receipt, 1 day for shooting, and 1 day for tactics. They received rusty weapons but were able to swap them out for usable weapons after they posted complaints on social media.
They arrived at another location supposedly to train for 21 days in preparation for deployment to Ukraine. When they got off the plane, a fat colonel started to shout at them. A few hours’ drive later, they arrived, and they see the fat colonel that yelled at them before. A fat major general accompanied him. He described company commanders and above as being fat with a belly looking like a ball.
During the first 6 to 7 days, folks were drinking and chilling. Instead of the promised 21 days of training, they received 1 day for shooting.
The video provides details, from a Russian soldier’s perspective, of the mundane things that occur from mobilization to deployment to the frontline, details of their training, etc.
For the above soldier’s experience, it was one day for shooting (Because a senior officer was there), one day for medical training (tourniquet use and carrying comrades), and presto! Prepared special forces troops! His assessment of the different militaries? The Russian side is not prepared, the Ukrainian side is prepared. It’s the longest video but is worth the watch.
Reminds me of this scene in “Enemy at the Gates:
“The one with the riffle shoots! The one without, follows him! When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots!”
Russian wife asks her Soldier to wear a condom while raping Ukrainian women:
In this audio, a wife allows her Russian soldier husband to rape Ukrainian women, only that he wears a condom while he is at it, and that he does not tell her about it. Are they just kidding around, or is this an actual “green light” to go ahead?
YouTuber “Insights from Ukraine and Russia” compiles these videos, provides the translations, then uploads them to YouTube to inform people of what is being said by Russian soldiers, and pro-Russian soldiers, and their families. Additional videos could be watched here.
Category: International Affairs, Russia
In any of these videos, do the Russian soldiers state their preferred personal pronouns? How about blaming their continuous failures in combat on the inability to recognize White Rage? How much of their limited training was used for necessary skills, like how to March in step during the Gay Pride Parade?
Poor bastards… don’t know what they’re missing. /sarc
Hey, Russkies didn’t behave professionally and follow the Geneva Convention in World War II, why should they now? /sarc
If it moves, shoot it; if it doesn’t move, rape it; and, if you can’t rape it, drink it– how Russian forces are normally when they invade another country.
Doesn’t all that come under the heading of “collateral damage”?
Russians will have peace, with or without other people.
Ok, I might regert this but I’m heading in. COVER ME WHILE I MOVE!
Bucha: IF there were ‘executions’ someone would be responsible, I think we can have consensus on that. Any asshole that speaks in absolutes about Russian or Ukrainian forces being responsible is a rectum.
Yet again, I seriously doubt the authenticity of any intercepted phone calls as Russia’s SINGINT has been pretty fucking good. ‘You want Article 15, Dimitri? Make phone call one more time!’
Vlad is using Reddit as a Sigint source? *cough*
Oh yeah. Check yer email.
Done and done, Top.
Civility is a practice and I’m out of shape.
We’re done here.
Response to Roh-Dog, November 25, 2022, Part 1B
Roh-Dog: Yet again, I seriously doubt the authenticity of any intercepted phone calls
The YouTuber that posted the above videos understands and speaks Russian. He would be able to discern, from accents, tone, etc., that the people on the phone are either Russians or those living in the “breakaway” regions.
Many of those intercepted calls came courtesy of Russians using stolen Ukraine cell phones. Their government used information provided to them by the owners of the stolen phones.
Roh-Dog: as Russia’s SINGINT has been pretty fucking good.
The Ukrainians are doing the same thing that the Russians are doing when it comes to collecting information, even using social media posts for successful targeting.
Response to Roh-Dog, November 25, 2022, Part 2B
Roh-Dog: ‘You want Article 15, Dimitri? Make phone call one more time!’
The Ukrainians shut the Russians out of their cell tower services. The Russians turned around and used stolen Ukrainian cell phones. The government called for these Ukrainians to provide their cell phone information to the government, which was used to intercept calls made from these phones.
And yet again, I ask with FULL-LUNGED SHOUTS, what is the threat to my country and why must I be involved?
That Z nutbag has a chance to openly negotiate for peace, but is content escalating this thing outside HIS fucking borders. Love it or hate it, Bad Vlad has warned against this repeatedly.
The ball is firmly in Z’s court.
Even the rarely-worth-mentioning Intercept has a pretty good line they saw fit to quote:
We have had a hand in this since 2014, and instead of walking the fuck away from this pile of burning shit, have made problems worse as this iteration of The USA Megaweapons Corporation is want to do.
You can beat this amoral war drum all you’d like, but a durable peace is worth fighting for, and that war starts at home.
Roh-Dog,
On the related article (also by thebesig) from 2 days ago,
thebesig lost yesterday’s Flame Wars.
Bad.
So, thebesig resorted to TURNING OFF THE COMMENTS.
Glad I got to bottom it off,
with dailymotion and YouTube video links to
Monty Python’s “Argument Clinic.”
See it all here.
LOL
Reduction of US defense stockpiles in support of Ukraine
thebesig | November 18, 2022
You have an email as well.
AW1Ed,
Thank you.
🙂
Did you seriously think I didn’t know you would post this?
I’d ask if you had any questions, but I really don’t care.
Buy you a drink, Sailor? You could probably use one about now. 🍸
I’m just disappointed that your warnings don’t include phrases like, “Your comments have you in the ‘Danger Zone'”, or “I feel the need, the need for speed…ily moderating posts.”
Just sayin’.
Careful LC, he testy. You wanna tiptoe thru that minefield you’re an adult.
(low-key: hahahahahaha!!)
Are you saying he’s lost that lovin’ feelin’? 🙂
You got a warning? Lucky you. This is my 5th attempt to post a comment today. On one thread (guess which) I don’t even get a “reply” icon.
How does one know if they are in jail?
How does one contact an administrator on this site as instructed in the FAQ?
PS
This is a copy of one of my previous attempts to comment;
Off topic, but I seem to be unable to post replies. On the thread “Reduction of US stockpiles…” I don’t have any “reply” icons, and a comment I just posted on another thread has disappeared.
Upon further reading in the “”Reduction of US stockpiles…” thread I came across a comment by MarineDad61 which says, in part,
“His next resort, is to put his factual dissenters in VG comment jail.”
Am I in jail?
I see your posts fine, Tim.
The other thread might be ‘special’.
timactual,
No, you’re not in VG comment jail.
I can see your comments.
IF you are in VG comment jail,
your comments will be held pending admin approval,
and your screen will show you this.
Also,
VG admin AW1Ed has REOPENED comments on that article.
BTW, it didn’t take long for thebesig and another to get the back and forth going on again…
including some by thebesig at me…..
but nothing new by me.
Thebesig can run his own personal damage control all he wants.
Almost no one is buying it.
🙂
MarineDad61: BTW, it didn’t take long for thebesig and another to get the back and forth going on again…
You’ve seen me argue, on this site, long enough to know that I would jump back onto a thread to hammer the opposition.
MarineDad61: including some by thebesig at me….. but nothing new by me.
Tell the complete story. You took swipes despite responding to someone else. I responded accordingly. Yet, after you posted this, you posted additional posts there.
MarineDad61: Thebesig can run his own personal damage control all he wants.
Nothing I did on that thread, before it was closed or after it was opened, constitutes “damage control”. It was my continuing with fact checking the opposition.
MarineDad61: Almost no one is buying it.
You tend to leave critical information out, or completely fabricate things, to try to get people to believe something that isn’t the case. See Midweek Open Thread (November 23, 2022).
timactual & LC,
It’s going on over there right now.
All these new comments
since my comment just above,
only 4 minutes ago.
Oh boy.
I’ve seen that, I just tend to ignore him. The one thing where I agree with him is when he said something along the lines of how ‘smart people don’t argue with him’, albeit presumably for different reasons than he thinks.
Smart people will realize it’s tedious to have a discussion with someone so utterly ridiculous that they think they’re a genius while simultaneously believing they can genuinely psychologically diagnose others from a reply on a website, an off-handed comment, or a Facebook profile, for that matter.
My advice to you, before you lose your remaining marbles, is to be smart. There are plenty of good discussions to be had here at VG/TAH, and your contributions are welcome. You just need to accept the bad with the good.
Response to LC, November 25, 2022, Part 1A
LC: I’ve seen that, I just tend to ignore him.
Sometime after this post, you posted a comment in response to me.
LC: The one thing where I agree with him is when he said something along the lines of how ‘smart people don’t argue with him’, albeit presumably for different reasons than he thinks.
The difference is that the reason that you explained was a coping mechanism. The reasons that I put forward reflected reality.
LC: Smart people will realize it’s tedious to have a discussion with someone so utterly ridiculous that they think they’re a genius
Explaining the fact that I won’t argue with the opposition unless I have extensive knowledge of the argument compared to those who’ve demonstrated a lack of knowledge is not thinking that I’m a genius. It’s just my chosing to argue topics that I’m well studied in compared to the opposition.
Response to LC, November 25, 2022, Part 2A
LC: while simultaneously believing they can genuinely psychologically diagnose others from a reply on a website, an off-handed comment, or a Facebook profile, for that matter.
There is no “belief” about this. When people slot themselves into apparent psychological profiles, then subsequently act in predictable patterns, then react in predictable patterns based on deliberate placement of words, sentences, paragraph’s, images, etc., then their apparent psychological profiles could be identified.
I identified those who argued against me as having anger issues, control issues, and ego issues. On Facebook, the opposition falls under one of three categories: failures in life, near failures in life, and those with “ho hum” accomplishments. This is verifiable. Likewise, those that avoided engaging in argument against me showed evidence of success in life.
Response to LC, November 25, 2022, Part 3A
LC: My advice to you, before you lose your remaining marbles, is to be smart.
This is advice that he quickly rejected.
LC: There are plenty of good discussions to be had here at VG/TAH, and your contributions are welcome. You just need to accept the bad with the good.
I would advise him to accept the fact that he is not going to be able to control everything in life, that he is not always going to get his way, and that things are not always about him. He needs to accept reality the way it is, and not go full bore complaint mode when things don’t go the way he expects.
Again and with all due respect, MD, “lost” is a loaded word and as my skeptical nature is Mariana deep, the resultant fear is any ‘victory’ had was pyrrhic.
I am not here to beat Man, just ideas.
Allow me to extol the virtues of peace, in all things, so we may have a world (and blog!) to pass on.
MarineDad61: Roh-Dog, On the related article (also by thebesig) from 2 days ago,
thebesig lost yesterday’s Flame Wars. Bad.
The opposition transitioned from trying to argue their opinion to complaining about my debate tactics and actions, etc. They also acted as I expected them to act based on the words that I used. This is not the strategy used by those winning either the argument or the following flame wars.
MarineDad61: So, thebesig resorted to TURNING OFF THE COMMENTS. Glad I got to bottom it off,
Why would I turn comments off when I’m still arguing against the opposition? You’ve seen me do this before. I didn’t close the threads then; I didn’t lock that one. I’ve gone up against far more people on other forums than I have on this website.
Response to Roh-Dog, November 25, 2022, Part 1A
Roh-Dog: Ok, I might regert this but I’m heading in. COVER ME WHILE I MOVE!
…Roh-Dog gets smoked, like Russian soldiers in Ukraine, while on the move. His battle buddies saved rounds in the process. 😀
Roh-Dog: Bucha: IF there were ‘executions’
Russians committed extrajudicial executions of the civilians. This is evident by mass grave discoveries in liberated areas coupled with witness testimony of Russians committing war crimes. There are also drone photos of remains of executed civilians, laying on the ground.
Roh-Dog: someone would be responsible, I think we can have consensus on that.
Unfortunately, the Russian side will not hold their soldiers accountable. The UN sent teams to Ukraine to investigate evidence of Russian war crimes.
Response to Roh-Dog, November 25, 2022, Part 2A
Roh-Dog: Any asshole that speaks in absolutes about Russian or Ukrainian forces being responsible is a rectum.
Nobody is speaking in absolutes about either country’s forces. The above post is about what the Russians are saying, additional comments in the above post support that theme.
“This soldier’s frustration resulted in his writing a resignation letter. In many of these intercepts, the Russian being recorded declared the intent to write a resignation letter, or that he had already written one.”
A freaking “resignation letter”??
Something ain’t right, here.
Could be Wagner Mercs. (the article is added for context, not as a source. BBC is azzhole)
These dudes?
Russian Mercenaries in Syria
Not a great track record.
If a Russky conscript:
Now THIS is a wife!!!
,l know this is out of context, but I seem to be lacking any “reply” icons when I open the “Reduction of US defense stockpiles in support of Ukraine” thread. They appear and work just fine in all the others I open.
timactual,
Deja Voo Doo.
I just posted a comment above, a reply to Roh-Dog.
You did good.
🙂
I halted comments on the post. That’s why.
AW1Ed,
Thank you for the clarification.
🙂
Thanks!!!
I am not arguing your right to do so, or whether or not you had reason to do so, but it would be nice to have some notification.
And my comments on other threads? Or am I delusional, in which case I would appreciate it if you pointed out my delusions, in whatever language you feel appropriate.
And how do I contact an administrator (Other than by annoying one)?
You could check your email.
Ivan missed the boat when he didn’t go ahead and jump on NATO in October of ’73. He prolly coulda kicked some serious ass. Still wonder if his spies telling him about 1/2 of a certain tactical nuke missile battalion tracks pouring out of the Kaserne like an army of ants while the other tracks were being raised into the launch position had anything to do with Ivan rethinking the launching of Red Storm earlier than Clancey spoke of?
I still think it’s odd that there is a war going on between 2 countries that have been nefarious things with elected or appointed high government officials in our country.
Make some peace you fricking fools. No joy in ruling over a nuclear wasteland.
Princes and paupers.
And the band played on:
Great googly-moogly, let me hear ya talkin’ to ya…
I’m curious: are there any civilian devices capable of intercepting communications like described in Besig’s article? For sure government agencies can, so I have to ask, whose government spy agencies are releasing these intercepts? (a rhetorical question for most at TAH)
Yes, it’s actually surprisingly easy if you either have access to the real cell towers (which Ukrainian intelligence certainly does, and I wouldn’t be surprised if local operators did too), or can set up a device to masquerade as a cell tower, and intercept that way. The ‘Stingray’ device used by law enforcement is the best known commercial one, but hackers have set up ones on the cheap in the past.
https://www.wired.com/2015/10/stingray-government-spy-tools-can-record-calls-new-documents-confirm/
They’ve been found outside military bases and even around DC in general:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/12/israel-white-house-spying-devices-1491351
Wonderful, right? Using secure apps like Signal keeps the content of calls secure, but metadata is still available.
Thanks LC. You’ve basically confirmed that only spy agencies have the ability to gather intercepts. This, of course, makes the intercepts open to manipulation and should always be taken with a 5 lbs of salt – in an open wound.
Heh. I remember the Israel spy story. My reaction was, “what spy agency doesn’t do this?” Rwanda’s?
Response to aGrim, November 25, 2022, Part 1A
From aGrim: Thanks LC. You’ve basically confirmed that only spy agencies have the ability to gather intercepts.
Although LC’s emphasis was on the spy agency, he indicated the possibility that law enforcement and possibly hackers as well. It does not confirm that only spy agencies have the ability to gather intercepts.
The New York Times obtained many of these intercepts (from law enforcement)… Link.
The Russians used stolen cell phone to call their families. Those whose phones were stollen provided their information to the Ukrainian government, who turned around and used that information to track communication over those stolen phones.
Response to aGrim, November 25, 2022, Part 2A
aGrim: This, of course, makes the intercepts open to manipulation and should always be taken with a 5 lbs of salt — in an open wound.
The New York Times (see link) credited Ukrainian law enforcement for gathering these intercepts. They presumably would also have translators to determine the validity of what is being said.
aGrim: Heh. I remember the Israel spy story. My reaction was, “what spy agency doesn’t do this?” Rwanda’s?
The reality, as reported by both Russians and Ukrainians, is that the Russians are falling short of what people think they’re doing.
NPR link.