Thief steals American, German flags, hoists Confederate battle flag over 2nd Cav Regiment
Jeff LPH 3 sends in this Army Times piece on some shenanigans at Rose Barracks, Germany;
Overnight Monday, an “unknown individual” stole the U.S. and German flags from a American unit’s headquarters in southern Germany and raised the Confederate flag, officials confirmed to Army Times.
Military police at Rose Barracks, Germany, began an investigation after “an unknown individual entered the 2d Cavalry Regiment’s headquarters building” and stole the flags, according to Maj. John Ambelang, a unit spokesperson.
“Additionally, the confederate battle flag was also raised on a flag pole outside of the Regimental Headquarters,” Ambelang told Army Times in email.
The caper occurred sometime between Sunday evening and Monday morning, Ambelang said.
When regiment officials arrived to begin the duty day, they “identified” the Confederate flag and “it was removed immediately.”
Ambelang described the theft as “larceny of government property,” and encouraged potential witnesses to “contact the Department of Emergency Services on Rose Barracks at +49 9662833397.?
“This criminal behavior does not align with the Army’s values,” Ambelang noted. “It is also a violation of the Department of Defense policy [on display of the Confederate flag].”
In addition to the potential criminal charges and flag policy violations, the incident may run afoul of the Defense Department’s extremism policies.
In Germany, the Confederate battle flag has cropped up as a symbol of the country’s political far right over the years, including at anti-COVID lockdown protests in Dresden in 2020.
A Columbus State University professor described it as a “stand-in for the Nazi swastika” for those groups, who seek alternative imagery due to a nationwide ban on displaying Nazi-era symbols.
Perhaps because of that added local significance, 2nd Cavalry Regiment leaders took the incident seriously. The command held full formations after the flag was discovered.
“Commanders at all echelons across 2CR engaged their Soldiers at a morning formation on the seriousness of the incident,” Ambelang confirmed.
That’s some pretty fancy speak for the entire regiment getting chewed out over something that they might have had nothing at all to do with. Which is how the military prefers to hand out punishment.
Good for them
Good for them?
Just straight pro-Nazi now?
Or.., I guess; just straight pro-Nazi, still?
Lars, you’re just pissed that it wasn’t a Pride flag.
Pickle smooching retard.
I suspect Commissar/Комиссар/拍马屁 proudly flies the Pride flag over/in his trailer.
Oh, has Lars moved out of his mother’s basement?
I had no idea he’d progressed that far.
Get bent spapos, once again, you have spouted off with your drivel, knowing nothing at all about the subject matter other than what your brain washing perfessers at that Bastion of Socialist/Marxism force you to regurgitate. If any organization has nazi leanings it is you soi boi terrorists antifa. The quickest way to get run off (or your ass beat) at an SCV function, or a WBTS Re-enactment event is to spew nazi or kkk garbage. Many of us take severe umbrage at comparing the Saint Andrews Cross Design, Army of Northern Virginia, Battle Flag. If I could buy you for what you are actually worth and then re-sell you for what you think you are worth, I could pay off the National Debt. I’m sure that there are commenters here that were waiting for me to chime in on this subject…or not. No secret that I am an Unreconstructed Confederate American Rebel. Lee mighta had to surrender, but I sure as hell didn’t have to. I saw this, and similar articles, on evening last while perusing the inherwebz for our FGS. Started to send it in, but didn’t want to be accused of starting another flame war. Seems as if shots are still being fired on the other one that has been ongoing for longer than the Battle of Gettysburg lasted. Figured somebody amongst the usual suspects would send it and Admin would either post it…or not. Kinda glad it did get posted. I’m sure the comments will show how different, yet similar we are. FIRST (ht 2 Roh-Dog), I in no way condone or approve of what this/these individual(s) did. You may not like a regulation or order, but as a Service Member your duty is to Salute, say Yes Sir?Ma’am, and carry out that order/regulation to the best of your ability. Either teh stoopid or a way yonder higher al-key-haul to blood level ratio came into play here. Or, as pointed out by others,a possible false flag (see what I did there?) was the plan all along. A link was provided in a comment recently telling of… Read more »
Why hath thou unslumberéd me by reciting the name of thy Liege, knave? (/s)
“You can bet that when the third war for Independence comes, there will be numerous Northern States [and those trapped behind enemy lines] that will stand shoulder to shoulder with their Southern Patriots…”
Fify.
Go tuck yourselves, traitors.
You supported overthrowing an election and installing a despot. You still do.
And you won’t be fighting for independence. You will be fighting to install whatever despot you spineless sycophants idolize at the time.
Not nice, Lars.
No one is advocating for a despot, or a group of unAmerican fucklehead despots like we’ve got now. But keep blaming us for the mess, I KNOW it’s totally my fault (/s).
And no one intends to fight, but you of all people should realize the only tool of state is violence and the nonaggression principle of a Free people may need to be suspended as a result of the tyranny you run screen for.
I hope you know Jesus and may God bless your pointy little head.
His picture is in the DSM V under the section on projection.
“Go tuck yourselves, traitors….”?
TUCK YOURSELVES?!
BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Best lip-trip yet, LARS!!!!!
Someone who self names as ‘Commissar” and identifies as a friendly to Antifa and the far left has no business calling anyone here “traitor”.
Traitors?
How’s that side hustle of yours going, that ANTIFA medic gig. You know, supporting those anarchist guys that want to abolish the government.
The represents what it represents in Germany in 2021.
Which is Nazism.
It may have represented rebellion in 1989. But that was 32 years ago.
And the flag has always represented the effort to maintain a racist institution.
Anyone claiming otherwise is absolutely full of shit.
It was never about states rights. The south opposed states rihts all the way up to succession. They opposed states rigts because they did not want individual states abolishing slavery.
It was always about preserving slavery. Always.
Democrats. Exactly right, comrade.
Exactly. And little has changed. They still see other races as people simply to be exploited for gain.
No, states’ rights. Slavery is just a cute narrative small-brained idiots parrot to sound edgeyoumacatted.
Even though negotiations from the penning of the framing to Ft Sumter, the South negotiated in good faith, the northern bankers refused to remove illegal excise taxes and duties on the South. Thems facts ahole.
Federally, slavery was abolished in 1808 btws…
And IF IT WAS ABOUT SLAVERY, WHY DIDN’T THE NORTH SAVE THE MONEY BY BUYING ALL THE HUMAN PROPERTY?
morality?
gfy
Commie-czar-ZEK snivels again:
October 5, 2021 at 2:04 pm
– The represents what it represents in Germany in 2021.
Best stab at a tautology, Lars..?
– Which is Nazism.
Quite a pronouncement for a person of your apparently limited intellect. I mean, that’s a helluva lot of syllables even for you, Lars!
– It may have represented rebellion in 1989. But that was 32 years ago.
RELEVANCE?!
– And the flag has always represented the effort to maintain a racist institution.
Evidence..? Yet another ‘buckshot claim’ by a wholly uninformed MORON..yet again.
– Anyone claiming otherwise is absolutely full of shit.
On this and anything like it – BULLSHIT is THE only thing you’re an ‘expert’ in, Lars.
– It was never about states rights. The south opposed states rihts all the way up to succession. They opposed states rigts because they did not want individual states abolishing slavery.
Lars – you used the word ‘RIGHTS’ three times and only managed to spell it correctly once. Like a broken clock..at least there’s a possible mechanical reason for a clock to work incorrectly.
– It was always about preserving slavery. Always.
Good one. Your absolute and complete ignorance about what ACTUALLY historically happened betrays you for the complete mental midget that you really are. But I’d be willing to wager that you’ve always had that warm fuzzy thought that the Fort Laramie Treaty(1868) was a great deal..
” They opposed states rigts because they did not want individual states abolishing slavery.”
” By 1804 (including New York (1799) and New Jersey (1804)), all of the Northern states had abolished slavery or set measures in place to gradually abolish it,…”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_states_and_free_states
Funny, I thought it was adopted as the battle flag (or a segment of various battle flags) because it was easier to distinguish from Old Glory over long distances than was the Stars and Bars.
It certainly came to symbolize a lot of different things to many different people at many different times – some honorable, many not.
To the guys who pulled off this prank, I imagine it primarily symbolized an easy nerve to strike among those who value political correctness over having a sense of humor.
Personally, I think it’s hilarious and I hope nobody blue falcons them.
The former E4 mafia capo is impressed by their feat of derring-do. The senior NCO in me is also impressed by their audacity but wants to smoke them till the second coming.
The senior NCO in me wants to by them a beer and tell them to never do it again (until they get to their next duty station).
buy*
Ducking autocorrect.
Here ya go Lars…
You’re always saying that Nazis weren’t socialists. Tell that to Ludwig von Mises, who not only knew a tad more about economics than you think you do, but was also a historian and sociologist:
https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian
Good one, Poe.
And Lars? Dig it!!
In fact take a big-ass shovel-full!!!
Thanks for the link. Lars shouldn’t read it, as it will make his head explode.
Commie-czar-ZEK snivels:
October 5, 2021 at 11:15 am
– Good for them?
Just straight pro-Nazi now?
Pot calling the Kettle black..
– Or.., I guess; just straight pro-Nazi, still?
Says the two-brain-celled SPAPOS. Twot without teeth..
Had to stop for a minute…..2CR vs 2ACR. Ok. I’m good now.
At one time it was also 2 SCR
Depending upon whether it had Armor or the Stryker, of course.
P.S. My reaction was “It’s in Germany? When did it move from Hood?”
That’s what originally confused me. I supported (2nd SupCom, 614th Maint) the 2ACR (Toujours Pret!)(78-82),HQ’d at Merrill Barracks, Nurnberg, (at the time, West) Germany. Then they were reconfigured, renamed, and moved (I think) to “da Hood” (or was it Ft Lewis?).
Just re-reading their history now (wiki), it seems that they were renamed (again) 2SCR / 2CR, and are currently in Rose Barracks, Vilseck, Germany.
SO it apparently IS the “same” unit I supported, lo, those many decades ago.
Well, whoever the assholes were that did the flag swap, I hope that they’re caught and dragged behind a tracked vehicle, at full speed, over a 25 mile trek.
Ol’ Poe vaguely remembers calling on a squadron of the 2ACR at Fort Polk back in 2005-6…
From Wikipedia:
Returning from the Gulf, the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment was inactivated at Nuremberg, Germany. The regiment was reactivated as the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment (Light) in 1992 by renaming the previous 199th Infantry Brigade (Motorized), the former 3rd Brigade, 9th Infantry Division,[9] at Fort Lewis, Washington. The regiment’s ground squadrons became light cavalry units equipped with Humvees mounted with TOW launchers, Mk 19 grenade launchers, .50 caliber machine guns and M249 light machine guns (SAWs). The 2nd ACR (Light) was then sent to Fort Polk in Louisiana in 1992.
Thoughts:
► Past events may not always indicate the future, but I bet my bottom dollar this agregious hate crime was perpetrated by someone other than a white hatemonger (i.e. by one of the agreived).
► Didn’t they have someone on Duty? As regimental duty, I think I would have noticed someone stealing flags and hoisting the stars and bars just because it would have relieved the boredom.
► “stand-in for the Nazi swastika” for those groups. Uh, no.
“► “stand-in for the Nazi swastika” for those groups. Uh, no.”
Well, I guess anyone could have it stand for anything. It’s not the same thing was my point. I know there are people who think it is. Of course, those people don’t know anything about NAZI/WWII history either.
Exactly. I rode under that flag for about five years at Civil War re-enactments. It never occurred to me that it was a substitute for Adolph’s flag, especially since I have nothing but hatred for totalitarians of whatever stripe.
We portrayed a company of the 1st Va. Cavalry Regiment ( J.E.B. Stuart’s unit). After our participation in the Brandy Station reenactment in 1992, our unit visited his grave at Va’s Hollywood Cemetery and sang “Ridin’ a Raid” at his final resting place.
Good question. I seem to remember in the olden days, pre-terrorism, all units in Germany had an interior guard. Good to know things are so safe now that none is needed.
From memory–one of the General Orders;
“I will walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing”.
““I will walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing”.”
That will cause a leg 2nd Lt. to poop his panties when he rolls up on the 2/75 ammo dump at 0230 acting like a dumb fuck.
Somebody pulled what they saw as a prank, now everyone is guilty of “racist extremism” and needs endless Death by PowerPoint®™️, time for me to give my DD214 another hug and a kiss!
Yep.
Always takes one turd to shit up everyone’s day.
Surprised Austin has not flown out there yet.
Oh, but wait, he is probably at a Mason’s meeting.
That’s my take as well…a prank that has become a shit show…
All the nervous hand wringing from the usual easily offended twats….
This could have been resolved in 70s with said “Prankster” getting a few months of shitty weekend duty until he gets the message that playing fuck around for laughs/pranks isn’t his best approach for enjoying whatever time he has left in the military.
If that didn’t drive the message home a trip behind the barracks for a quick tune up usually got the job done.
This definitely calls for a massive investigation by the fan belt inspectors. It warrants at least 30 agents, since the Great Bubba Wallace “noose” hate crime investigation had 13 agents.
Bubba Wallace, the Colin Kaepernick of NASCAR!
Hey, Bubba finally won a race this past weekend. Though NASCAR had to call the race with 70 laps to go because of weather. Bubba happened to be in the lead at the time.
Would that be an affirmative action victory?
As soon as NASCAR goes back to her roots and has a runner car speeding down a mountain to get away from a chase car… then I might care how the races are won.
I just want to be where they off load at the end of the “race”.
Sometimes a prank is just a prank, without deeper meaning. Is this one of those times? Maybe. Most likely. Still, a thorough investigation is warranted. Or not, since the “conclusion” has already been announced.
I thought it was funny.
I also would have thought it was funny if they’d raised a rainbow flag, instead.
There is such a long history of pranks, and harmless ones like this have grown far too rare (assuming they treated the flags they took down with respect and left them where they wil be easily found).
Racist Extremists? Another looking for a victim article.
I’m thinking alcohol and being obnoxious had more to do with this than racism.
Anon for the win.
The south shall rise again!
Do I smell a “false flag” operation? The best way to stoke the fires of anti-extremism is to have an “extremist event”. We’ve seen how the demand for racism exceed the supply (Jussie Smollett, USAF prep school…), so is not out of the realm of possibilities?
Doesn’t the Army pull down the colors at sundown, and raise the flag at 0800, or do the fly 24/7? 2 flags coming down and nobody noticed? The Stars and Bars being raised, and nobody noticed? This isn’t a prank on somebody’s front porch…this is an Army Post.
Don’t forget the latest fake hate crime, where a Black woman was putting notes in her Black neighbors’ mailboxes saying she was a red bearded white KKK clansman who would burn down their homes and murder them.
You need to read article more closely. The flags were stolen from inside the HQ building and the rebel flag was raised outside.
So far as the victim the victim, the unit would be the victim of theft. Possibly some 840-10 violations as well.
I’m going to reserve judgment till the offenders are located (if ever). If this is a hate crime hoaxer he will likely get caught quick. If it is some kind of Nazi wannabe then it is less likely. Seems like too much effort went in to it for a drunken prank. Whoever did it could use some NJP to tighten up their shot group.
No matter how you feel about Confederate Flags the US Flag is worthy of respect and if a soldier (assuming it was a soldier) fails in that regard then he needs to be made aware of his failures.
Coincidentally, these article popped on WTOP this afternoon. Montgomery County Maryland. Other than some old white drunk who hated women and minorities used to live on Wilson Lane, the whole county is ultra liberal. Spider senses tell Hack that this is being perpetrated by someone on the left to “raise awareness” about white supremacy.
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2021/10/these-are-hate-crimes-montgomery-co-prosecutor-comments-on-racist-graffiti-incidents/
After many beers in the barracks…
Hey! Watch this!!!
I was stationed on Rose Barracks when the Cav boys moved in, so I know exactly where this building is, and it’s fronted by the main road on post that runs from the main gate, past the HQ and all the way to the back gate. I feel for what ever SFC or SSG was pulling Staff duty the night this happened. Wonder when they will start the 24 hr guard duty on the flag and the area around brigade HQ? Imagine that rotating to your company and of course you get the Friday/Saturday night shift.
if this had been a BLM flag, or a rainbow flag, we’d never have heard a thing..
It would have been celebrated.
Diversity is our… you know the thing.
President Joseph Biden
The dude on the Fantastic 4 who goes “It’s clobberin’ time!”?
A flag is only as racist as the person waving it. So I’m curious, what would happen if a klansman waved a gay pride flag while in full regalia? Does that not make that flag racist?
If you are waving a flag that stands for a racist institution or explicitly racist ideology, you are a racist.
So BLM?
Colen KIKpatcriZ sayz Betsy rosses flag is “RaZZISt”.
Bullshit. Obviously, you have never been to a Civil War reenactment. You think everyone portraying a Confederate soldier was a racist? You love to make bold conclusory statements that are objectively and intuitively false.
He does. Even the black Confederates are racist.
“You love to make bold conclusory statements that are objectively and intuitively false.”
Lawer-speak for, “You’re fulla shit!”
Yup. I’m not one of them hated lawers anymore, but I still think and write like one.
I guess that makes Alec Guiness, Anthony Hopkins and Bruno Ganz all racists then. I wonder what made them go that way in life? Glorifying Hitler and waving Nazi flags around. Even playing dress up and pretend isn’t an excuse anymore…
I guess all us reenactors who participated in the movie, “Gettysburg,” are racists. That would include all the professional actors that played the parts of Confederate officers, including very liberal Martin Sheen. Also, there must have been about 10,000 racists at several of the big reenactments I attended where there were over 20,000 participants, since about half of them were portraying Confederates. I personally played both sides, in most of the big events I attended and in “Gettyburg,” I was a Yankee.
Democrats fired on Fort Sumter, you know.
Started the KKK, too.
Not what I said, Lars. If a hooded klansman is waving a flag, any flag, your liberal/progressive brethren will scream that that particular flag is racist. Flags are inanimate, and cannot be racist. If ANTIFA waves and American flag, it becomes a symbol of hate and fascism. Save your definitions, ANTIFA is a blatantly fascist organization. You want a racist flag? Try he BLM banner. You are a narrow-minded brainwashed fraud and a disgrace to the officer corps you once served.
Ooh, SMASH!!!!
SFC D says:
October 5, 2021 at 10:23 am
A flag is only as racist as the person waving it. So I’m curious, what would happen if a klansman waved a gay pride flag while in full regalia? Does that not make that flag racist?
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Sapper3307 says:
October 5, 2021 at 11:35 am
So BLM?
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Sapper3307 says:
October 5, 2021 at 11:37 am
Colen KIKpatcriZ sayz Betsy rosses flag is “RaZZISt”.
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rgr769 says:
October 5, 2021 at 12:56 pm
Bullshit. Obviously, you have never been to a Civil War reenactment. You think everyone portraying a Confederate soldier was a racist? You love to make bold conclusory statements that are objectively and intuitively false.
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Mason says:
October 5, 2021 at 1:24 pm
He does. Even the black Confederates are racist.
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5JC says:
October 5, 2021 at 2:27 pm
I guess that makes Alec Guiness, Anthony Hopkins and Bruno Ganz all racists then. I wonder what made them go that way in life? Glorifying Hitler and waving Nazi flags around. Even playing dress up and pretend isn’t an excuse anymore…
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Anonymous says:
October 5, 2021 at 2:32 pm
Democrats fired on Fort Sumter, you know.
Started the KKK, too.
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Yet another dazzling display of your utterly immutable LOGIC, Lars…
Ht to SFC D –
“You are a narrow-minded brainwashed FRAUD and a DISGRACE to the officer corps you once served”.
GRAND SLAM!! Right outta the park…
Do they mean the flag of the Army of Northern Virginia? (For-JIN-eeya if you’re a Tars Tarkis fan.)
Well they certainly don’t mean the flag of the Confederacy since none of them could point it out being completely historically ignorant.
Yes, if one ran any of the three versions of the CSA national Flag up the flagpole, it would be difficult to find one person in thousands who knew what it was. I bet even the mendacious mollusk 🦑 could not ID it.
Half tempted to get a Bonnie Blue and make a Roh-Dog’s March to the Hills of Tennessee, or further south as necessary, enroute to Freedomland.
Texas Makes Itself Great Again, I’m there with bells and whistles!
Was thinking the same about The Bonnie Blue. Just out here in the western US in the Rocky Mountains hinterlands.
You do know they stole that flag from the Republic of Florida…. it’s literally the exact same flag.
Yes.
And in spite of that fact, she’s just fine.
West Floridians on the other hand…
WSB, -Dog! C’mon. How ‘ bout a nice place equal distance to the (soon to be former) Benning School for Wayward Boys and the Atlantic Beaches? Slightly further to the Gulf Coast or the Mountains. Less than thirty (30) minutes to a top notch VA Medical Facility. Can hunt edible beasts from the back porch/deck. And if a body hasta, all kinds of jobs available. Pro tip, just about easy walking distance to a Class VI Facility.
Bring OAM wid ya.
Nice! Even if KoB does have apparent ulterior motives – Oh wait!! It’s OAM, totally understandable.
*shrug* I’m still waiting for KoB to hook me up with Dana…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeQM1c-XCDc
Deutschland
I suspect this prank ruined a staff duty officer and NCO’s next evaluations.
Most likely they will accuse them of being asleep or less than alert. Every time I was SDO in Germany, it never occurred to me someone would be messing with the flagpole in the wee hours.
I don’t recall the flagpole ever being on the SDO checklist of any unit I was ever assigned to. Thinking that might change in the future.
Well there goes Monday command maintenance. Everyone into the theater.
Hours of CRT PowerPoint + “That’s not who we are!”
I can’t believe you nitwits still respond to “Lars”. He’s a sock puppet of the admin’s for this page to perpetuate the rage machine and get clicks. I almost quit commenting / coming here because it’s apparent the commenters are a bunch of maroons played by the admin’s. I come back after a break and see the same shit going on? Seriously? The people here have attention deficit or mental issues.
As they say on the mess decks- you been played, suckas! I comment no more. Idiots all.
*shrug* Res ipsa loquiter.
You sound a lot like Lars, W2, the way you blow in here slinging insults and calling names. Frankly until you showed up here this time, I hadn’t noticed your long absence nor had I seen anyone else here wondering where you’d gone.
That tell you anything, Bubba? 🤔
A Columbus State University professor who never served a day really shouldn’t be taken too seriously. Lets not forget that Confederate Army was American too. This rewriting of history to push their racial nonsense needs to stop. If it was the gay flag they would be celebrated. Glad I’m not serving under these morons.