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| August 23, 2020

Defund the police? Then who will rescue your fire fighters?

Tonight, at approximately 8:15 PM, the Marin County Fire Department (MCFD) requested the Sonoma Sheriff’s Helicopter “Henry-1” respond to the area of the Woodward Fire, which is burning in an area of the Point Reyes National Seashore, southwest of Olema. MCFD requested an immediate rescue of two firefighters who had become trapped by fire on a ridgeline and unable to make it out of the path of the advancing fire. Henry 1 is the only helicopter in the region capable of conducting a vertical reference long line rescue at night. When our Fire counterparts call for help, Henry 1 comes flying.

Once on scene, Henry 1 located the two Firefighters, who were trapped approximately 75 yards from the advancing fire.

To complicate the situation further, the fire was creating strong, gusting winds that intensified as Henry 1 flew closer to the head of the fire.

Henry 1 landed approximately a mile from the Firefighter’s location and the Tactical Flight Officer (TFO) configured the helicopter for long line rescue with a 100 foot long line. The TFO subsequently attached himself to the long line and was flown to the location of the firefighters. Upon arriving at the Firefighter’s location, the TFO placed a Bauman Bag rescue device on one of the firefighters and a Horse Collar rescue device on the other. Having a variety of different pieces of equipment on board at all times enables Henry 1 to quickly adapt to dynamic and dangerous situations. In this instance, Henry 1 was able to lift three people, the TFO and both Firefighters, simultaneously to safety. This enabled the rescue to occur in one attempt, as time was clearly of the essence, and limit the amount of time any of them were in the dangerous situation. We have included the video from our TFO’s helmet cam, unedited, and it its entirety. This video does contain some graphic language, but we believe it is important for the public to get an accurate representation of how a nighttime long line looks and feels.
Most importantly of all, we are thrilled that both Firefighters are unharmed and in good spirits. Our society depends on First Responders to charge towards danger and place themselves in difficult situations, such as fighting a wildland fire in pitch black nighttime conditions. Sometimes, even First Responders need a First Responder, and nothing gets to these remote locations faster than Henry 1.

Amazing they could find a helicopter with enough power to lift all that brass.

Don’t worry Portland, “help” is arriving

This cannot possibly end well.

Robins AFB Security Forces are goin’ virtual

Category: Bravo Zulu, First Responders, Trump!

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Green Thumb

The Huey is a tough bird and old friend.

Commissar

Defunding the police does not mean get rid of police. It means reducing the role of police so they are not doing duties that they are not properly trained, equipped, or qualified to do. Like dealing with routine nuisance complaints due to homelessness, or dealing with people who are a disruption to a business because of mental health problems. Dealing with low level non violent drug users. These are best served by people trained and specifically educated in working with people like this. Mental health providers, community care nurses, social workers etc. Defunding police means shifting funds toward people that are better qualified for these kinds of issues and reducing the “jack of all trades” expectations we put on police. Have them to what they are designed to do…law enforcement. And fund them to do that. A significant number of escalation incidents and use of force incidents are caused by police being involved in dealing with ordinary mental health issues and common vagrancy. Their approach is a poor fit for dealing with these kinds of issues. They also get paid far more than people who are trained to deal with routine social problems are paid. In the Bay Area, for instance, patrol officers make well over $100,000k per year. Many PATROL officers make over $200,000. And that does not include immense benefits packages. Leadership makes even more. Social workers struggle to make ends meet in the bay area. With salaries as low as $50,000-$60,000 Field mental health workers struggle as well. And their benefits are less than cops. You could be used to handle jobs that cops shouldn’t be doing anyway. And even with a 25% bump in pay they still would be able to do it less expensively than cops. We fewer lawsuits filed again the city for use of force. When they can’t handle a person then the cops could be used. Or one cop could be present rather than the 2-4 that usually shows up to deal with a mental health crisis. Finally, defunding the police is also about not having municipalities pay the the entire cost… Read more »

Anonymous

Of course, it’ll never work that way– you’re get East St. Louis or Mogadishu.

Commissar

I was a cop. I know the cops I worked with. Our academy was 800 hour of instruction. Which is more than average nationally. We had one day, eight hours, of training regarding mental health problems and issues like autism. On the job we dealt with people with mental health problems daily. People with social issues daily. In my opinion our training on actually law enforcement was inadequate for even to work at the narrow scope of enforcing laws. I think cops need a full year of training to adequately have the background to make decisions that have potentially permanent impact on people with regard to law, elements of crimes, constitutional rights, use of force, Basic forensics, probably cause and reasonable suspicion, victim care, interview techniques, legal report writing, warrant writing, evidence handling, firearms, driving, open hand techniques etc. So we could.not just shift more training to deal with mental health and social problems while reducing other aspects of training and hope that fixes the issue. Despite the fact that mental health issues are a significant part of what police are called to deal with, their training on other law enforcement skills is already inadequate anyway. We are better served using people that are already trained in dealing with mental health, non violent drug addiction, and social issues to manage those issues and leave cops to enforce the law. And we STILL would need to increase training for cops by at least 200 hours to 1000 hours of training minimum. Some Jurisdictions have departments have academies that are only 200 hours long right now. And some allows cops to work for up to 6 months with no training at all as long as the are scheduled for an academy. Other departments consider a military background “equivalent” training even if the background has nothing whatsoever to do with law enforcement so a guy could be handed a badge and a gun and go out and make complex decisions on the rule of law based entirely on the fact that they bast Army basic training ten years prior. Law enforcement in this… Read more »

A Proud Infidel®™

Bleahbleahbleahbleahbleahbleahbleah…

11B-Mailclerk

You ain’t a cop.

Right?

SFC D

Just another in his long list of “I was” bullshit.

A Proud Infidel®™

He said in the past that he can’t be racist because he once had a Chinese Girlfriend, but there’s no denying that he’s a brainwashed cultist.

Thunderstixx

Oh you’re so full of shit larsie-boi.
Only morons like you can continue to rationalize shitty behavior even when you know that everybody on Planet Earth knows you’re lying.
You fucking stupid asswipes are going to get the shit kicked out of you, one way or another in the future.
YOu sound like a crack addict trying his best to tell the judge he/she/it is clean for several months when in reality, he/she/it is higher than a kite…
Well, the judge, in this case, the American People that actually know what defund the police means will be handing you your ass in a couple more months…
Fuck off larsie-boi, you stink and have as many brains as a bag of donkey dicks…

Commissar

What the fuck does any of this have to do with “shitty behavior”?

What are you even referring to?

Clearly the shitty behavior you are referring to is not the incompetence, abuse of power, and negligence of some police officers.

That is the shitty behavior you are rationalizing.

What shitting behavior am I rationalizing?

Thinking mental health experts should be dealing with people with mental health problems is no “rationalizing” shitty behavior.

Just like saying a surgeon should deal with surgery while a psychiatrist should deal with mental health disorders is not rationalizing “shitty” behavior.

A Proud Infidel®™

The root of the problem is the corrupt and often incompetent mayors of those big cities plagued by rioting and you are squarely in the D-rat camp. One does not pussyfoot around like the Portland Mayor and reasonably expect the rioting fleabags to calm down on their own, they need to put their foot down like in Oklahoma where they got their asses handed to them!

Commissar

No. Shitty mayors are not the cause of shitty cops.

Shitty police leaders who started as shitty cops and shitty standards are the cause of shitty cops.

Fyrfighter

Shitty standards put in place by shitty dems… All of thee issues have happened in demonrat run cities, the policies that allowed these conditions to exist were put in place by DEMS!

The Other Whitey

Do you know how long it’s been since the municipal government of Minneapolis wasn’t democrats across the board, Lars? How about Chicago? Baltimore? St. Louis? New Orleans? Detroit? Do you know how long it’s been since any of them had a Republican in any city government position?

Dem mayors and city councilmen appointing police chiefs and setting policy for decades, and now you and those dems say there’s a problem, but it’s somehow not the fault of the dems who’ve been calling the shots the whole time. Yeah, that’s called bullshit.

HMCS(FMF) ret

The mayor of Portland also doubles as the Police Commissioner – he calls the shots for the police bureau. He’s the one that has been giving orders on how the “peaceful protests” are being handled.

SFC D

Defunding means exactly that, defund. As in “removing funds”. You and your people called for that. Now, you’re back-pedaling as fast as you can, attempting to redefine the word. You do not get to redefine the English language just because you were caught in a progressive-liberal lie. Contrary to your deluded beliefs, you are not the smartest guy in the room. You’re just another progressive zombie.

Commissar

No we are not backpedaling.

Defund the police is a slogan.

They actually released entire policy proposals related to it and the “defund” movement already had cities that adopted the movements policies with success.

So it was never about removing all funding. But reducing the funding and the role of cops. Some municipalities
the police exceed 20% of the budget. Essentially depriving communities of other services.

I posted a few days ago that I support BLM as an ally but have no interest in joining the movement and I specifically said their messaging often sucks. “Defund the police” is an example of stupid messaging.

The reason it is stupid? Because morons like you hear it and assume idiotic policies proposals without ever actually checking to find out if they mean get rid of police entirely.

Fyrfighter

Defund the police is a slogan.

So it was never about removing all funding.

Hmm, she seems to disagree with you…

://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/07/17/black-lives-matter-activist

Fyrfighter

“The reason it is stupid? Because morons like you hear it and assume idiotic policies proposals without ever actually checking to find out if they mean get rid of police entirely.”

Looking in the mirror again dude? Or are you just a liar?

David

Yeah, as much as a year for cop training. Let me know which of these cities is ponying up the money for that.

UpNorth

Defund:to withdraw or stop funding. When a university defunds the field hockey team, they don’t cut one goalie, they withdraw all funding from the field hockey team.
You really are wrong 100% of the time, Seagull.

NHSparky

TL;DR

So how’s that defunding shit working out in NYC, Portland, Seattle, LA, and Chicago, Dipshit?

Commissar

Also, not exactly inspirational but a good laugh…

https://youtu.be/YOvmrYwzsc8

This version has the better soundtrack…

https://youtu.be/EgnEBWy-JO8

OWB

That Troops for Trump vid is great. Got a call a couple of days ago from an older vet looking for just such a thing. Shouldn’t surprise anyone if this becomes a trend. Lots of folks around the country are making similar noises.

A Proud Infidel®™

They don’t really bother trying to infest my part of Red State America where everyone keeps their firearms cleaned and oiled and the many who own excavators keep them well maintained and ready. Just give Vets like me immunity, turn us loose on the fleabags and they won’t last even a day!

KoB

No problems out here in the piney puckerbrush yet neither. Their right of peaceful protest ends when they attempt to impede my right to peacefully progress on my chosen path. I will NOT call 911, I will NOT meekly stop for you to clear my path, I WILL, start shooting them center mass and I WILL put all 8 cylinders to work putting my multiton vehicle into use as a mobile escape pod. Best to be judged by 12 v carried by 6.

BZ to the Henry 1 lads! Just another day at the office.

Robins is right across the River from me. It became a royal pain to get on the base for routine telephone work. Most every tool we had was considered a deadly weapon. We finally got most everything switched to a fiber feed with the demarks right outside the gates so their people could handle everything within.

I see that the spapos seagull had to show up here also.

Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH B Woodman

I will not call 9-1-1.
I will call on 1-9-1-1.

Eric (the OC tanker)

The Constitution protects (by restraining the actions of government) each citizen’s right to PEACEFULLY assemble and petition the government for redress of grievances.
However, when the first rock is chucked, car set on fire or store looted we now have a riot. Rioting requires a ‘firm’ and resolute response.

IMO, to nip rioting/looting in the bud, city leadership should stand on the City Hall steps and declare: ‘rioters will be arrested and looters will be shot on sight no questions asked’.

Make it painful and there will be less of it.

Actions have consequences.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Amen, Eric…

Old tanker

Claiming defunding the police is anything other than removing Cops from the force is a blatant fabrication. You can use whatever term you wish that also means fabrication. The proof of that is already in cities that voted for that kind of stupidity. Example Seattle has already cut as in fired, dismissed, terminated employment of over 100 positions. Austin is doing the same as the city clowncil voted to do the same to it’s police force. Fortunately there are cities and agencies in Texas who are not stupid and are actively hiring Officers from elsewhere. Even my little town in the Hill Country has hired to go to full staffing levels.

Defunding means taking money away, not directing civilians to take on roles that the PD had been forced to undertake previously because there were no other alternatives. Anyone who thinks it does has less than a tenuous grasp of the English language or a serious disconnect with reality.