Mike Warren; the phony POW, phony vet; aided in deception by the media
I get so tired of this shit sometimes. This is the tale of Mike Warren written by Jaine Treadwell of the Troy, Alabama Messenger. And quite tale it is. Mike Warren claims that he was a Vietnam veteran and a POW. When Jaine was told by Captain John “Mike” McGrath, a real and fairly famous Vietnam POW that Warren wasn’t a POW, she mumbled something about the fact that she had known him for years. Not well enough, apparently. This is what she wrote about her friend;
Mike Warren knows that, had it not been for a skinny, redheaded boy from Tulsa, Okla., no American soldiers would have left that valley in Vietnam alive.
“Two of us made it out alive. I owe my life to Capt. Terry Gardner, no doubt about it,” Warren said. “If he had not disobeyed orders and come back for us, we would have been dead.”
Warren was a member of the U.S. Army’s 101st Cavalry Division during the Vietnam “war.” His squad was boxed in a valley in a hot landing zone.
“The helicopters had come in and gotten some of our squad out,” Warren said. “Many had been killed, but me and another soldier were still alive. The choppers had been ordered to stand down. There were just too many North Vietnamese. We didn’t stand a chance.”
Warren said Capt. Terry Gardner heard the radio communication to “stand down” but he disobeyed the direct order and came in.
“He got us out – saved our lives – and we didn’t know until later that he got hit twice coming in for us, once in the left side and again in the leg.”
Y’all remember the 101st Calvalry Division, doncha? No, me neither. In another article written by his minion Treadwell, he tells the same story and says that it happened in 1963;
Warren, a member of the Army’s 101st Cavalry, had his kneecap blown off in the fierce fighting in the Central Highlands of Vietnam in 1963. He lay on the battlefield gripped with pain and knowing that he would not be going home.
Aside from the fact that there is no 101st Cavalry Division, the 101st AIRBORNE Division didn’t arrive in Vietnam until 1965, when it was still Airborne. It didn’t become an air assault division until 1968. The 1st Cavalry Division arrived in Vietnam in 1965, too, in case Warren forgot the name of the division he was stationed with over there, you know, like we all forget our unit designations. In fact, all maneuver elements weren’t committed to Vietnam until 1965 you know, after the Gulf of Tonkin incident in August, 1964.
Thirteen members of Warren’s squad were captured by the North Vietnamese and placed in bamboo cages at the river’s edge.
“The river water was not cold but it got cold,” he said. “The water was constantly moving and the longer you stayed in there, the colder it got. You couldn’t sit down in the cages. You had to stand there with the water rushing over you with just your head above the water. And there was almost no way that you sleep. Sometimes, we would try to reach across the cages and hold each other up so we could get a little sleep and sometimes just to keep a man’s head out of the water so he wouldn’t drown.”
When a soldier was taken from his cage, it was to be interrogated and tortured.
One torture technique was taken from the Russians. It was called “stooling.”
“The enemy would put you on a three-legged stool and tie your arms behind your back braced with a bamboo stick and your legs tied together, too,” Warren said. “Three North Vietnamese would question you and, no matter what your answer was, one of them would kick the stool out from under you and you would hit the floor on your shoulder or your face or your back. They would pick you up, ask you another question and kick the stool out from under you. They would do that over and over until you gave them what they thought they wanted or until you passed out.”
Warren said, from time to time, one of the soldiers would be taken from the cages to be killed.
“Sometimes they would give one soldier a gun and force him to shoot another,” he said. “Death was always five minutes away.”
Warren and the other members of his squad were “caged” in captivity for about 17 days. One fateful day, the camp was empty except for one guard who fell asleep and Warren and another soldier overpowered him and escaped.
Two came out.
Warren returned to his unit and was often the one sent to scout an area and report back what he was seeing. He would be on his own for days. When he could sleep, he often slept in trees.
“I got to a point where I could go six days and six nights without sleep,” he said. “But on the seventh day, I would begin to hallucinate and see all kinds of boogie men.”
Warren was on another “map starved” mission when his squad got lost and was captured by the North Vietnamese.
“There were a half dozen of us and they would have killed us if they’d had time,” he said. “But another unit was also lost and stumbled upon us and overpowered the Vietnamese. Together, we made our way back to our units.”
Warren remembers vividly when his unit engaged the enemy and one of the American soldiers, who was welding a 50-caliber machine gun, stepped on a “Bouncing Betty.”
“We were going across a rice paddy and began taking fire from along a tree line and one of our men stepped on a Bouncing Betty, a mine that wouldn’t go off until you took your foot off,” he said. “The soldier was standing there with that big heavy gun and taking fire, knowing if he moved he would be blown to bits.”
When the firing died down, the American soldiers wedged their bayonets under the soldier’s foot and he was able to “dismount” the mine.
“When he woke up the next morning, every hair on his body had fallen out,” Warren said. “He was a black man and his skin had turned almost white, all from the tremendous rush of adrenalin. I’d never seen anything like that. None of us had. But that’s what fear can do to a man.”
Warren returned home from his first tour of duty and was enjoying the comforts of being home until Uncle Sam “invited” him back to Vietnam. He didn’t have to sign up for a second tour of duty in Vietnam but his country needed him and he knew the consequences of not going back.
Yeah, according to the Department of Defense, the only Warrens who were POWs in Vietnam were Air Force personnel, two were Captains (one classified Remains Returned and the other is presumed dead) and the only E-5 was Remains Returned.
Yeah, so here’s the kicker, after two attempts to find his records, NPRC still couldn’t find any.
Maybe that’s what he meant, it wasn’t him that was held in a tiger cage, it was his military records jacket. I’ve sent a link to Jaine Treadwell, but she might need to be motivated given her previous reticence to properly inform her readers and her editor, Robbyn Brooks. You can email Jaime at jaine.treadwell@troymessenger.com and Robbyn at robbyn.brooks@troymessenger.com .
Thanks to Pat all of his hard work on the background for this story.
Category: Media, Phony soldiers
JohnBoy. These folks are being much too kind to you. I mean, they are actually speaking to you civilly. Me, I think you are a window licker with a penchant for heavily soiled underwear. But, hey, that’s just me. Now, I have to run and see if the puppy on the spit is done yet.
OH, John, John, Jack-ass: I don’t own a Harley, never have. I lost a childhood friend to the VC in 1967, 5 days before I went into the Navy, over in the DMZ. But he didn’t try to get out of his obligation the way you would, you empty banana peel.
Since you’re so combative and you want to pick a fight with someone, try me. I’ll meet you anywhere, even in a dark alley. I’m 5’2″. I hope you’re not much shorter than I am, because I’d prefer a meet-up with someone my own size.
@153.
High heels usually help.
Plus they hurt when impacted upon a random skull.
I know.
“John”: the fact that you think that falsely claiming to be a POW “doesn’t matter” shows you to be ignorant, shallow, and a person of highly questionable character. Lies matter – period. Lies about matters of significance matter greatly.
Whether someone served this country in combat is a matter of significance. Ditto being held a POW.
Not too many people of good character give blatant liars a pass. Even fewer honorable people actually defend blatant liars. You’ve gone out of your way to do exactly that.
However, that doesn’t surprise me. Conduct such as yours is not terribly uncommon in the area from which you’re posting your comments. Many ignorant, shallow, mendacious walking anal orifices can be found within 50 miles or so of the “Mistake by the Lake.”
Frankly, “John”, most if not all of us here couldn’t give a flying fornication at a rolling toroidal fried pastry about a jerk like you. The only reason you’re getting the time of day from most of us here is the fact that you’re here making an ass of yourself in defending the indefensible. Commenting on your asshattery amuses us.
Don’t like the fact that we’re telling you you’re an ass for defending this liar? Tough. That ain’t gonna change.
Don’t like that last? Then leave and don’t come back. And when you do, “Don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya” on the way out.
Is it a relatively new phenomenon for defenders of frauds and liars to attack veterans who subsequently defend the overall integrity and honor of service members by raising the old canard that people in the military are ignorant, poor dredges with no money or education? We’ve seen Monkress (via proxy) do it, this “John” fellow, and a few others recently.
JAGC, they must have very empty lives.
Poser Backers.
@159.
Why are you complaining and not helping rectify the situation?
We should talk about this…
Looks like John is a pupil of one Paul K Wickre, or at least a kindred soul.
Calling out ass-hats for claiming or embellishing their service isn’t harassment. Likewise pointing out the incompetence and lack of journalistic integrity by the media.
While we may speak frequently of hoping these posers end up coming face to face and making the mistake of physically confronting a real veteran, we aren’t about to hunt them down and assault them.
It’s not that people here are afraid of a scrap. Its just not worth the gas money or airfare to try to track someone down, have them bitch out when you wave your finger in their face or get arrested for beating them down.
Besides an ass beating usually last less then a minute, the internet lasts forever.
The most enjoyable thing for me is when the posers are confronted or outed by the media. The looks on their faces is priceless as they usually have the expression of a squirrel with a lit match up it’s ass. They usually mumble something and duck inside their houses.
Utter and complete humiliation is what they deserve, nothing less. Not every poser can be outed by TV, so this blog goes a long way in exposing them.
They deserve no slack. Usually when someone gets to the point of being exposed here, stolen valor is just the tip of the iceberg. They defraud charities and citizens, get awarded government pensions/contracts based on their lies and often have other crimes in their history ( drug dealers, pedophiles and murderers are in the files here).
John you came in here and simply exposed your ass without knowing what this blog is about. Unless you want to further make excuses for shitty reporters, liars, frauds, thieves, pedophiles, murderers and druggies just pull your pants up and walk away.
If you are inclined take a bottle of cheap wine and visit Bethesda, your butt buddy Paul can get drunk and commiserate with you.
@GT, are you talking to yourself again ?
@162.
I have no friends. No one ever wants to talk.
I usually look in the mirror when I speak.
Bored.
Slow lazy work day if that makes any sense.
Bored.
Enjoying the sunset.
We’re always here to listen, GT.
Repossess my Harley? Wow what a liberal cliche…I own an old Saturn, and the damn thing’s already paid for…
In a moment of temporary lucidity and passing sobriety, I happened to notice that my numbers do not always seem to post.
Odd?
I will consult with myself and attempt to rectify it on this end.
Yes, you get that rectalfied right away.
@166.
Thanks for the kick in the ass.
Usually CWOs are the problem as they keep breaking out the booze.
Just saying….
So Mr. John, your argument seems to be that the newspaper is off the hook because small town Alabama newspapers don’t have to do any fact-checking? Well this Internet Commando has a different point of view. Before I joined the Air Force I spend 1991-93 as a journalism student at Auburn University (WDE! Green Thumb). Anyway, on the first day of Reporting 1 class, my professor, a guy named Gillis Morgan, who spent his career honing his chops in small town newspapers walked up to the podium and said, “When Mama says she loves you…check your source!!!!” It takes five minutes to check the verified POW list from a number of verified lists on the internet. Furthermore, any journalist, small or big town, shouldn’t blow off a bona fide POW when they contact them to point out an error. Finally, you seem to think that we are over-reacting to this phony. But if you follow phonies long enough, you’ll learn that the phony war stories are usually just the tip of the iceberg. These guys typically have a multitude of victims of in the wake of their multiple frauds.
@167, Hey, I resemble that !!
#127 John:
Say, “John”….
How do YOU know “he was a transplant who had only lived there a few years” unless you did some Internet Sleuthing yourself.
HYPOCRITE.
And oh, by the way, since you think you are smart, why don’t you go ahead and contact Captain McGrath and tell him the same thing you told us.
Read his Bio…he is definitely ONE TOUGH WAR GUY, which YOU ARE NOT.
JERK.
#168 AverageNCO –
An alternate to the old “mama” saying is if a woman tells you she’s your mother, you’re supposed to check her ID.
A common false assumption made about small-town journalism is that the people who practice it are somehow automatically the dimmer bulbs of the profession, and couldn’t be expected to find work anywhere else. The reality is actually somewhat different in that a lot of times it gets down to a matter of preference: Would you, as a reporter, rather be exposed to a wide range of what goes on in a community, or would you rather be stuck in a cube farm at the New York Times writing obits all day?
Point being that it would be a mistake to tar all small papers with the same brush just because Jaine Treadwell happened to leave her own bullshit radar in the repair shop.
Something also missing in this comment thread is that anyone who has spent time hanging out on TAH has already seen how things such as the Mike Warren story should play out. In early July last year, for example, Katie Burford, a news editor at the Durango Herald in Colorado, did a piece about a guy calling himself Timmy Oliver who claimed to be a former Delta Force dude with PTSD, natch, but was in fact a BS artist of a high order.
Burford’s response to having this pointed out was an almost text-book example of what you’re supposed to do: Respond quickly to the criticism and fact errors, confront the source culprit, and print a retraction. Something that was applauded in at least some journalism circles as an ethical and pragmatic solution to a difficult problem.
Treadwell evidently didn’t get the memo.
And who gives a crap if the guy was a transplant or not? The managing editor told me the same thing, like that’s supposed to mitigate it somehow. I don’t care if the guy just fell off the back of a turnip truck at the Pike County, AL, farmer’s market, the stuff he said is easily proven false with a few simple Internet searches.
I think it’s time I finally tell my “war story”. I finally feel like I have found a safe place to open up.
In 1972 I was part of a crack commando unit which was sent to prison by a military court for a crime we didn’t commit. We promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, we survive as soldiers of fortune.
I’m glad to get that off my chest. If any of you reading this
ever have a problem – if no one else can help – and if you can find us – maybe you can hïre us to help.
#171 and 172:
Agree.
Which brings me back to another question: Has anyone heard anything from Treadwell and Brooks via email on retracting the story and setting the record straight?
Or are they still in the ignoring mode because they don’t want to embarrass Warren.
Thanks for talking to Brooks, JP.
@173 – Welcome, Hannibal!
This guy sucks ass.