Oslo bombing
So Norway, which hasn’t done much of anything to anyone was rocked by an explosion outside of one of their government buildings this morning killing at least 7 people and wounding a score. Minutes later, a “Nordic” gunman opened fire at a youth camp run by the Prime Minister’s Labor Party where a reporter says there were at least another score of bodies according to Fox News;
The New York Times says that the Helpers of the Global Jihad have claimed responsibility;
A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referring to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.” The claim could not be confirmed.
Here’s their message as translated by Jihad Watch.
The UK Mail says there are more 30 dead at the camp, which is attended by teen age boys.
Category: Terror War
Wow, Jack…Keep going. It doesn’t matter. Your experience counts, but it seems you would still rather get hysterical about the idea that I or others would defend the Country by rounding up those we believe to be a threat. What do you think of what Nidal Hasaan did at Ft. Hood? He pretended loyalty by joining the Army and he killed “his” comrades…Did you give him a pass because the US was so mean and fascist for going into Iraq or A’stan? I never said all Muslims were horrible but I did say that if it came down to policing the masses, so be it. I did say that so far, all the terror attacks committed against us were Muslims. Do you deny that, or that terrorism exists? Better yet, why not define terrorism for me? And then tell me at what point I should be ready to take up arms against people I know would relish the destruction of America. You don’t believe that either, but I can surely point out that it has been said, over and over by many a Muslim and it’s (gasp!) on tape for your viewing pleasure. Are you willing to stand there and tell me that you would try more diplomacy in the face of threats? That you would acquiesce to some demand because you think we’ve been too hard on the “good” Muslims with small businesses and families? Oh, the drama, the drama. I don’t tell anyone what religion to practice, but I can guarangodamntee you that the atheists and now the Muslims are beginning to ask for more than ever. My kids don’t get to call it a fucking Christmas Party in the name of tolerance and we must have an alternative to pork on the lunch menu. No one ever gave a shit that I was catholic and on Fridays at school I brought a no meat lunch. That’s the way it used to be done. No one ever gave a shit that a Hannukah and Christmas party took place together! But, now I have to give a shit about… Read more »
Did anyone notice that in #37 Jacko said:“Sorry to disappoint you, but I didn’t attend public school”
Yet in #40 he says: “Dual B.A. University of Pennsylvania, M.S. St. Joseph’s University, MBA U of Texas.”
Those are not “public” universities? H’mmmmm.
Proximity, darlin’. If it was THE university of anything other than partying and assholes, I would refer to it as you wish. So tu it remains.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say that everyone here advocates deportation of Muslims, rather that more attention needs to be given to its tenets in lieu of the PC bullshit and mollycoddling with which it’s curently dealt. Instead of allowing extremists of any faith to cause harm because it’s their faith, those who perpetrate such atrocities in the name of religion need to be dealt with swiftly and effectively. Currently – and for the past 6 centuries – it has been Islam that’s encroached upon the very liberties afforded us. At it’s core, Islam is the antithesis of liberty in that it expects complete and total agreement to its stringent and anti-freedom policies in both words and action. Those who are of the Christian faith are not allowed to force others to their will, so it must also be with those of the Islam faith.
That said, I would not advocate for the removal of Muslims from our country, only the understanding that there are boundaries to one’s actions. Violation of those boundaries should be harsh, as they should be with anyone who violates another’s liberties, regardless of faith.
Sure Franky, but first, clarify – it IS okay to consider the possibility of rounding up and deporting American citizens simply for being Muslim?
Now, I honestly don’t know in what backwater burg you park your trailer, or how many Muslims might happen to live in that town, but I can honestly say that I don’t really know how the person’s religion directly correlates to what they “contribute” to American society. The Muslims that I have encountered where I have lived in the U.S. have been hardworking, tax-paying, honest, decent citizens. Doctors, scientists, academics, military members, students, business owners – all walks of life in which you would find any and all citizens of every color, race, religion, etc. Do we have to go back and delve into the demographics of every single “great moment” in American history and ascertain the religious and ethnic background of all of its participants. If I happen to stumble upon a single Muslim worker who helped to build any of the great buildings, roads, ships, etc. does that count in your mind as “contributing?’ Are there “bad” people who happen to be Muslim? Well of course, just like there are great and rotten people of every ilk.
So I assume you have been to Dearborn and can attest to first hand knowledge of the state of affairs in that town? Likewise you can give a first hand account of the magical paradise that you seem to claim Israel is so much so that you blast your love for it on t-shirts as much as you do your venom against Muslims?
I expressed my disgust with an attitude that came across as a drumbeat to literally go after Muslim Americans, strip them of their citizenship, and deport them, and people come here to defend that attitude and do it with the attitude that they are “standing up for America” and other jingoistic phrases. So who’s next on the list that doesn’t make the cut of how a “real” American thinks and believes?
Barack OBAMA, during his Cairo speech, said: “I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America ‘s story.” AN AMERICAN CITIZEN’S RESPONSE: Dear Mr. Obama: Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims first landed? Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians. Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and Native American Indians. Can you show me one Muslim signature on the United States Constitution? Declaration of Independence ? Bill of Rights? Didn’t think so. Did Muslims fight for this country’s freedom from England ? No. Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America ? No, they did not. In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery. Your own half brother, a devout Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black Muslims as “pug nosed slaves.” Says a lot of what the Muslim world really thinks of your family’s “rich Islamic heritage,” doesn’t it Mr. Obama? Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country? Not present. There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights. Where were Muslims during this country’s Woman’s Suffrage era? Again, not present. In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to men in the Islamic culture. So much so, that often they are beaten for not wearing the ‘hajib’ or for talking to a man who is not a direct family member or their husband. Yep, the Muslims are all for women’s rights, aren’t they? Where were Muslims during World War II? They were aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler, reviewed the troops and accepted support from the Nazi’s in killing Jews. Finally, Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001? If they weren’t flying planes into the World Trade Center , the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our… Read more »
I was referring to my high school education, and no Franky, U of PA is not a public university.
On Dearbornistan; Yes Jacko, I am very familiar with the situation there, and have vowed to stay as far away from that ghetto as possible. Have you been there? Yes, I have “first hand” knowledge of that cesspool.
Contributions to this country? “Helped build…..” How about design, invent, create?
No Jacko, I doubt that you would ever see the light.
“I didn’t go to college”
Judging by your t-shirt designs I find that statement truly astonishing.
“How about design, invent, create?”
Are those goalposts heavy when you move them?
Poor Jackie…the best part of him ran down his mommy’s leg…someone obviously wasn’t breast fed…sad, so sad…”sigh”
My t-shirt designs? They are selling quite well. And it seems that even more would buy my art if only I would create some liberal/progressive/Democrat crap, because they ask me to do it. Since I find that topic totally distasteful to me, I don’t go there.
Now to go hunting for the rest of the day.
defend – nor am I denying the existence of terrorism or trying to paint every adherent of Islam who does happen to commit a terrorist act in the name of their religion as some poor maligned innocent soul. When the attack in Norway occurred, however, people immediately jumped to the conclusion that it HAD to BE an Islamic-related incident with a fervor as if they WANTED it to be so that they could immediately take to their keyboards.
How many comments, I’m not saying only here, and everyone here, were expressions of vitriol, anger, and even, yes, what seemed like out-and-out bloodlust in condemning not whomever committed this act, but rather the entire religion of Islam and all of its adherents? Even as news reports started coming out casting doubt on that conclusion, some commenters tried to still find ways to bring the Islam angle into the story and some would continue to do so regardless of how many contradictory facts might emerge.
I said, and later got ironically painted as a Kumbaya singing lefty, that this was just as bad as the left-wing ideologues who wanted to portray the Tucson incident as the work of a Tea Partying Palinite, before and against all evidence otherwise.
I took issue with one particular commenter who took to the board to launch a screed against Muslims and barely veiled his desire to strip Muslim Americans of their citizenship. I thought this was completely and utterly wrong and even smacked of fascistic beliefs. Again, could it not happen at some point, that demagogues for whatever reason and based on whatever evidence choose any number of groups of people to vilify to the point of questioning their loyalty and deserving deportation?
I’m sorry that the atheists and Muslims are making your life so difficult to live.
Chapel Hill – the mark of quality.
Just a fan of Ace and a Moronette putting in 2 cents to this discussion. Jack there are a couple problems your madrassa so called education did not teach you to recognize. First one is that you do not get that your masters came from a public university. Second one is that your arguments are actually more poorly constructed than anything an inmate at the local hoosegow would construct after a night drinking Val-U-Rite. Thirdly, your comments on Israel are spewed from the mosque. I did learn about the Middle East during my sojourn at a Public University (my minor was history) and do see your language and intent coming from an islamic perspective. Note FTR YOU Jacko were the one who mentioned Israel. Lastly and most amusingly, SPC or E4 does not really match your educational claims. I had a few relatives & friends in the service (various enlisted ranks) and at a masters would be an officer of some sort (warrant, senior NCO or commissioned officer). Thank you to the actual vets and currently serving military folks for your service and Jacko, GFY.
Well Gee jack, Don’t cha know that is the reason there is a fence around it…
Pounding on that Macintosh from Austin Texas brings out the lib in people, it seems.
Austin is third in liberals only to SF and Seattle. True story.
well guys…he has been posting here as a SPC for several years and if he had the educational background he claims to have, he must be a total shit bird to of not picked up any rank…just another wannabe wanting attention…
Ok Molly, fine I’ll throw you a cookie, sweetheart. I stated that I did not attend a public high school, assuming that that was what the slur against public education was referring to. Yes, I concede, UT is a public university. So yes, I have had some public education, ok? Interesting that you craft this Larry the Cable guy like folksy insult about the construction of my arguments yet you offer not one reply to any of these allegedly poorly constructed arguments. I would think that someone with such a lofty accomplishment as a minor in history would at least be able to dissect specific points that I made and reply with something other than some poor attempt at humorous insult. With regard to Israel, I made the remark because Frankly has a number of t-shirts speaking of Israel as if it were the greatest most flawless place on God’s earth, and I asked him if had ever been there. I have. I traveled for fifteen days during my R&R while I was deployed serving in OEF and had the chance to spend time in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, Eilat, and all across the Galilee and the Negev Desert. It’s a wonderful place, very interesting, but like any other country has its ups and downs, and the people are everything from delightfully friendly and intelligent to gruff and coarse, and everything in between. While I was deployed to Kandahar I had the pleasure of working with another SPC who was about to embark on his Ph.D. when we returned, and I met numerous SPCs such as myself, who enlisted later in life out of a desire to serve, and chose the route of enlisted, BCT, AIT and all. In other words, it was our choice to not pursue the route of OCS. I’m sorry, Molly, if this truth does not jibe with the impression you got from your “few relatives & friends” in the service about how education level and military rank have to square with each other, and I’m sorry if I am still not able to convince you… Read more »
How does one track the roster of liberals in cities?
Yep, because clearly not desiring to advance in rank in the military, and to be content to simply serve and contribute whatever I can offer at the rank at which I enlisted, I guess in the eyes of the illustrious Chapel Hill graduate that I am a “shit bird to of [sic] not picked up any rank.” If climbing the ranks in the military is what makes you proud and boosts your self-esteem, good for you. You’re a true American hero.
Hey jack…you failed to mention the brave homosexuals and lesbians who were in OSLO during the bombings…you should of jumped on that cowboy…BTW ass wipe, if you really want to see true American Heroes, look no further than your nearest National Cemetery…
Seriously, lose the “poor me, you’re all wrong about everything” straw man arguments. If you’ve lived in Austin, you’re well aware of how liberal it is, as well as its reputation as such, especially considering how conservative the rest of the state is..
Lose the defensive crap. Jesus. Maybe if you would argue logically and without such condescension and snark as you’ve used thus far, you’d make some headway. You’re just coming across as an argumentative asshole with no substance to back your arguments.
This advice is gratis, Jack. Your core message is sound regarding the un-Americanism of rounding up and deporting Muslims. But here’s the rub: Whatever chance for reasonable and intelligent discourse there might have been was displaced by ad hominem attacks and picayune points. How did that happen? I leave that for you to answer for yourself. Callous self righteousness and sophistry do not invite or keep an audience.
Yet another know it all, “I’m better than you, I went to college and got all sorts of degrees so I’m so much smarter than you” condescending fucksticks we have to deal with around here. You will notice, jack, that bragging about what you think you know only goes so far around here. Telling everyone else they’re wrong and you’re right and that’s all there is to it doesn’t really bolster your position.
Do you really think you are the only one to “have experience” around muslims? Do you really think that you, by your experience, are the only one here qualified to speak on the matter? Sorry, but I have probably had been around them long before you had peach fuzz on your nuts. Then you throw out that tired old saw about comparing dick size with regards to how long you spent in academia. For such an educated person, you sure didn’t learn anything about paragraphs in your writing; did ya?
Then, to bolster yourself a little more, you start on the other cliches and stereotypes, which you beat on someone about their use of earlier, by bashing Christianity and those that are of that faith, along with the tired rhetoric and nuance about Christians basically being back-ass country rednecks, which will endear you to a whole lot of people.
Keep thinking you are so special, jack. You are the type of person that gets annoying rather quick.
Full Disclosure, I was just a SPC, so all you old hands out there feel free to criticize my observations. 1). Is Islam destructive? yes. The Koran is perhaps one of the only religious texts that contradicts itself. It all comes from the “mother book” but it is clear that if something comes later it is a better version. However this is further contradicted with absolutes, as in it absolutely MUST NOT CHANGE. To add to the West’s confusion the Suras are not chronologically organized. If you follow the Koran chronologically, it gets increasingly violent, as Mohamed goes from “enlightened individual” to conquer. If you study history he weaves pagan Arabic (gjinn) Christian (Jesus), and Jewish tribes traditions. It is assumed that this is an effort to make the new religion more palatable to the tribes in the region. When he could not get people to convert, he resulted to force, and that pattern never changed. 2). Is Islam a religion. In the strictest sense, yes. However the strictures go far beyond simply what views on the supernatural. Even general guidelines for living are part of most religions. However if one follows the strictures of Islamic Law go far beyond what one might consider “religious”. Further, those very laws prevent change, which is fundamental to all religions. For that reason they can not have a “reformation” or “counter-reformation”, which was vital to Christianity, to allow more tolerant attitudes. While it was incredibly violent, after the dust settled, change had settled in, and Christians grew both in technology, and culture. Islam as a whole has not grown, or changed since Baghdad was sacked by Mongols. The destruction of archeological artifacts, and even whole societies, is common place. 3). Is Islam a threat to the United States? Yes, and no. If you are looking for a vast, centralized threat, like the USSR, you won’t find it. Even the idea of an organized terrorist cells with an overriding goal is erroneous. It is better to think of the threat like a hydra. Cut off one head two more spring up. There is no… Read more »
I see you guys found a way to entertain yourselves while I painted my deck today.
Hey Jonn, you put them up n we bait n wait. Sure enough a taker will come along.
One thing I have noticed over the years here at TAH is an increasingly territorial attitude among some of the regulars in the comments section. I have also noticed a tendency for debate to rather quickly turn into heated argument, and from there to dissolve into personal insults, petty and childish comebacks, and pointless back and forth.
I think we have a prime example of that right here in this comments section. That’s pretty much why I stopped commenting here. I quickly figured out that although we(the authors and many of the more vocal commenters) share a powerful love of country and disdain for those who threaten it, we differ sharply on several other things, maybe most notable among them is the “they’re out to get us” paranoia that a lot of folks here seem to harbor towards cops and anyone associated with governmental authority. But I digress.
I don’t comment here anymore (usually) because I found you can’t have a healthy rational debate with some folks. Which is a shame, because among the stupidity that is rampant in this comment section, there are some really sharp, insightful observations that are both relevant and though provoking. Doc Bailey, I’m looking at you, among others. Too bad that those few gems are overshadowed by people having a pissing contest.
Jack, don’t bother arguing with these fuckstains, it’s beneath you. Trooper is a cocksucking moron, AW1 Tim is his lunatic butt-buddy. Frankly is a fundie asshole who looks like a bargain basement Terry Jones with even less sense, and AirCav is a pompous drunk. And Jonn is the whiney ringleader of this idiot sausage fest. Most of the others aren’t worth mentioning.
I’m sorry we disappoint you, Jack. I will strive to not be so stupid in the future and if it’s any consolation, I don’t have to pee. 🙂
Doogie!!! So glad you could get your boyfriends wiener out of your mouth long enough to comment!
Richter, Houser, Klompus…I’m beginning to think it’s name is actually “Legion.”
Richter, Houser, Klompus…I’m beginning to think it’s name is “Legion.”
OT: It’s not about you (or anyone else for that matter) being stupid and the other side being smart. I had come on here tonight with a plan to say something a lot similar to what Jack said (That’s what I get for waiting to post until after the Marine Corps League BBQ). What I find intersting is how quickly this devolved into an anti-Muslim diatribe and then got into a personal pissing contest with/about SPC Jack. It’s an unfortunate trend among these parts (and yes, I have been guilty of it on more than one occasion.) However, we could, and should, have a great debate on this issue. There are very smart people on both sides of this argument. Regardless of degrees, schools attended, age, location or life experience. We all have valid opinions (even if only in our own minds.) 1. I do not want the government deciding what is and what is not a religion. The constitution establishes no test or qualifiers on this. Doing so is a slippery slope. 2. Aside from organized medicine, some cancer treatments, paper, the beginnings of civilization and farming. The islamic world gave us nothing. Saying that an entire ethnic group or religion gave us nothing is ridiculous. How could that even be argued. Though if this were 100 years ago we would be having the argument about Catholics or Italians. 3. Integrating ethnic groups is a great idea in theory. In practice I don’t think it ever really happens for a lot of reasons, primarily socio economic. Having had family members here since the beginning, I am oft reminded that my family is primarily Scots Irish. Culture and heritage are important to a lot of folks. I don’t think it is an acheivable goal to integrate fully. 4. A lot of us served with Muslim Americans overseas. There were four Muslim marines in my unit (Plus a couple of Malcom X types). I think they have contributed plenty. Would we round them up if Tim’s plan was followed? 5. If we continually look for Muslims as terrorists we miss the… Read more »
I want to make it clear that I’m not anti-Muslim. but I am very aware that there is indeed an ideology that is opposed to ours. Much like communism. I will say this however, that having been there, bad things happen when someone says “Allah huakbar”. I have seen enough that those words send a cold chill down my spine. I have no doubt that Vietnam vets feel the same when they hear a certain type of whistle. Further I wish to point out that the “personal insults” tend to arise, when valid questions are asked and answered, and debated. Too often we get Trolls just spoiling for a fight, and it does not take much to raise the hackles of some of our number. having said that, I have yet to see a debate where the Troll didn’t start the insults first, or say something designed to evoke response. That there are some who have supreme command of invectives goes to show that the many years of cajoling, or forcing men and women to do what is most certainly not in their own self interest (say charge a Machine-gun nest) is perhaps difficult to translate to a debate. “pull your head out of your 4th point of contact” may hurt some feelings of those with too thin a skin to effectively debate. I have no doubt, that those senior NCOs among us have had years to practice diatribes, and have little effort recalling them for usage. HM2, Your second point, were all pre-Islamic cultures. I’m assuming Babylonian, Assyrian and Egyptian are what you’re referring to as far as medicine, that would be the Greeks, whose medical knowledge was unsurpassed until the Renaissance. I might add that those empires wer long gone by the time Islam came around in the 7th Century. Also La Cosa Nostra, were never seen as a terrorist organization, or even an anti-American organization. Indeed, they were very much anti-communist, in the 60’s. With them it was always about business. While the effects of that business were certainly negative, it was still, business. Integration worked well… Read more »
HM and Doc, you make great points.
Klompus…My life is not hard because others require me to give up or tolerate more…you missed the point. And you didn’t answer the questions I posed. HOW MUCH MORE must I tolerate before I begin to be cautious and leary of those who have thus far caused death and destruction in this country? How much more before people like you call me a fascist?
And Nidal Hasaan? What did you think of that? Answer the questions.
The problem with the left and the tragedy in Oslo, is simple. The left is nearly goddamn giddy that they can use the words “right wing” to associate this to conservatives, christians and the like. Never mind that fucking 92 people are dead because some crazy bastard doesn’t think highly of multiculturalism…Most of us don’t need a hundred write ups to know that he was just batshit crazy and killed innocent people, do we?
Look, just give Klompus back his astronaut pen that writes upside down.
One thing I have noticed over the years here at TAH is an increasingly territorial attitude among some of the regulars in the comments section. I have also noticed a tendency for debate to rather quickly turn into heated argument, and from there to dissolve into personal insults, petty and childish comebacks, and pointless back and forth.
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Hell, that’s the BEST thing about this place! The commenters here are some of the most experienced, well-educated and knowlegeable of any blog I read. Because of that, they are quick to figure out when someone is coming forth with serious questions for debate or is just a typical jackass troll.
Once they figure out that someone is just a troll and there is no getting through their agenda, then the fun starts with the “personal insults, petty and childish comebacks, and pointless back and forth”. Of course, the guys and gals here can be extremely creative and unforgiving with their beatdowns and insults. I just make some popcorn and keep coming back to enjoy the show. 🙂
Seriously, those who have been reading here more than a few weeks or months know that there is some of the best discussion and debate here on issues among any of the military blogs. That happens when all people are debating and discussing in good faith. The creative banter only starts when the sheepdogs here have sniffed out a dipstick troll.
Hmmm. Where do I want to start? Well, as someone who has been reading TAH daily for at least two years your assumption that those who have strong contrary opions are “jack ass trolls” is not really accurate. I have had the honor of that label here on several occasions. Yet, I want the same things that many of you do and I enjoy a good debate. I am not an Islamic scholar. I have never read the Koran and have only been to a Mosque on one occasion. Frankly, I am not all that interested in studying Islam seriously. (I am working my way through the Bible and do not want to deviate from my spiritual path for something I believe is secular.) However, I know that in the past outsiders (catholics, jews, Scotts-Irish, Italians etc.) were maligned as not having made contributions to society. I don’t think that most of us know enough to malign the whole islamic culture as not having made a contribution. Personal examples incude a couple at a church I used to attend (Unitarian) that were scientists at NASA at Langley AFB. My parents had friends from the english and math departments of a major university who were muslim. One was a beautiful poet. As I said before there were several Muslim Marines I knew in the service. All of them were stand up guys. I don’t think that we can say that the whole culture is worthless. Doc, I was not speaking specifically of La Cosa Nostra. I was thinking of things i leaned in History class about how Irish and Italian immigrants were considered to be thugs and a general criminal class. If that is or is not “terrorist” is a matter of perception. Defend: I can’t really answer your question because it is personal in nature. I never said that you shouldn’t be leary. However, in my experience personal interaction often dispels generalities. I think there are a lot of people in general who have caused death and destruction in our country. Street gangs, drug addicts, religous zeolts of various stipes.… Read more »
Spc Klompus cut you guys to pieces on this argument and as always people like Old Trooper,ROS and Frankly Opinionated can only respond with insults becuase they can’t match wits.. Well Done SPC Klompus for standing up to these bullies.
HM…I have no bones with your posts. Again, you are correct. What the Muslims terrorists are doing causes me great concern and it my hope that educating their masses will help them to see that we are not the enemy. Until then, I still wish to reserve the right to do something about anyone I deem a threat, especially there. It is a conundrum to try and come down objectively on this. The precept to our freedoms is why people come here, but the things we have witnessed in the name of it all should at least warrant boundaries. While at war, for example, put the kibosh on any Muslims entering the country unless hardship or emergency can be proven. And the second there are any doubts of loyalty to the green card or visa holders already in the country, let them prove their innocence from another venue. Not here. Take no chances.
It’s not about hating them. It’s protecting what we have.
Cause and effect in terms of those who steal, lie or commit other crimes is a valid point and in some cases much easier to deal with. However, even if we see for example that the nuclear family in any community is destroyed, how to put it back together to defray some of the actions and mindsets THAT creates is harder.
I wonder if Old Trooper, ROS or Frankly Opinionated have ever been to an Islamic Country, SPC Klompus and I have but yet we have all these arm chair soldiers who have never been to one telling us “how it is”
I think I got this now. I cannot opine regarding Antarctica for I have not been there. I cannot opine about China or the Chinese for I have not been to China. Ditto Israel and Africa. By extension of that sort of fallacious reasoning, I am not entitled to speak to any topic or issue about which I do not have direct experience. Thus, I cannot speak about most of my own country’s history because it predated my existence. Thanks Imam chick.
Obamagirl, I hate to break it to you but making lofty statements and posing rhetorical questions, not to answer real questions is kind of like a three year old pitting his fingers in his ears and humming loudly.
I HAVE been to an Islamic country, I HAVE seen “how it is” I have pictures to prove most of my points, and what I don’t have pictures of, well those things I’d rather not talk about. What i have seen is that since the 1970’s most Islamic states (Kuwait being one of the exceptions) have done little to earn trust of any kind. Bahrain and Qatar, are great examples of just how hypocritical they are. Once you cross into those countries, the rules are relaxed, you can smoke, drink and screw whatever and whoever you like. once you’re done, on with the man-dress and hating the west for all it stands for. We can’t even call them out on that! Those places are specifically designed to give all the pleasures of the West, while still being “clean” in their eyes. The racism Arabs show is unbelievable. they put KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Black Panthers to shame. Ask an Arab what he thinks about a Persian, or a Kurd or a Turk or an Assyrian Christian. God forbid you ask about the Jews (the race not the religion) until people acknowledge these facts, then we can not effectively deal with the threat Islamist groups pose.
And I would point out that they are far more dangerous than China, or any communist regime. There is no such thing as “going too far” there are no targets, or means that are off limits. If they kill every man woman and child on the planet, that’s ok.
Yep, I have to ask were you have been Obama Girl?
It’s ok, Doc, we’re all used to that stupid bitch’s insane ramblings and lack of substance. Had s(he) bothered to even read the aforementioned posts, s(he) would have noticed that there were arguments without attacks, with the exception of Herr Klompus’.
Back to your knees, OG.
Takes one to know one, OG.
HM2 in #83: I agree with your points, but what I noticed, and maybe others didn’t, is Tim was blowing off steam. I noticed that someone jumped on him immediately and I pointed out that the media and other military/DHS/government types are keen to zero in on “rightwingnutjob” immediately upon any tragedy happening. I pointed out that it has happened several times in the past few years, only to later have it come to the surface that it was not and was either a looney tunes type or muslim extremist jihadi type. No retraction and acknowledgement of or correction from those that float the initial accusation (Michael Bloomberg about the Times Square bomber) etc.
I pointed out that I agree with waiting until things start shaking out before getting all up in it, which we are finding out that it is a lone nutter, but that isn’t stopping the media from attempting to make hay over it and attempting to tie it somehow into American Christians and rightwing gun nuts. Granted, that’s a hell of a reach, but when there are agendas at work, they reach as far as an intellectually lazy public will let them.
My rebuttal to Klompus was because I was annoyed at another dipstick coming on here to dick measure his brain pan against everyone else on the board with the self righteous attitude.
OG: Yeah, I’ve been to several muslim countries; what’s your point? There’s more I could say about it, but some of it’s personal and none of your fucking business.
None of you are invited on my blog
“None of you are invited on my blog”
I’m sorry to hear that. I didn’t even know you had a blog.
I’m wondering if you read on the other thread about meeting up on the 25th of August and that there is a slight location change?