You are Breanna Manning, not me
More low information BS from Hollywood;
For one thing, you cretins, Manning told his company commander that he’d prefer that everyone call him Breanna, and people on this blog seem to be the only folks in the world willing to fulfill that wish. For another thing, there’s a difference between “whistleblowing” and “treason”. SEALs who raided the bin Laden compound testified that Manning’s “whistleblowing” product turned up in that compound, so obviously it was of interest to the enemy, if we’re still calling bin Laden an enemy, that is. That product is still considered classified by the government.
If you all want to be Breanna Manning, then you can stand up with him for the firing squad, which would take more courage than you can muster, I’m sure. If you’re saying that you would turn on this country and endanger the people who are fighting for you, that’s where you belong anyway.
Category: Terror War
The release of classified information gets our people killed. Manning aided and abetted our enemies, and is a traitor. He should be executed for what he’s done.
Now, do I sound like I’m Manning? I sure as hell hope not.
Wallace Shawn. That breaks my heart.
Aaron Burr. Don’t get me started.
I was already in a “throat punch Alice Walker” kind of mood.
But seriously,they fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia” – but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go against a Leftard when death is on the line”!
Looking at the asshats in that clip I recognize, I’m pretty sure that they’ve baked away any useful synapses long ago. And of the ones I don’t recognize, who the fuck are you losers, again?
Let me spell this out for any lurking leftards–YOU DO NOT LEAK CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. EVER. The whys and wherefores do not justify it. You use your chain of command. You douchetools are hooking your wagon to a fucktard who was on his way out for being a mega-douchetool when he pulled this shit. People have DIED because of his actions.
Would that he were following them soon, but such appears not to be the case. However, I’ll settle for him making gravel for the rest of his life and getting assplowed by Bubba on a daily basis.
Bradley or his counsel did figure out that a military jury wouldn’t be as sympathetic as his fan club. Wonder if the judge will be any easier on him. Hope not.
But NHSparky, Manning supporters say there has been no evidence that anyone has DIED as a result of any information that was leaked by him. They also point out that nobody has been charged or reprimanded as a result of the “Collateral Murder” video.
P.S. That trailer sucks azz. That smug, slick Hollywood crap ain’t gonna play in Peoria.
@7–they also would have made the same claim about John Walker. And it would have still been bullshit.
Hmm, Manning is a liar and a traitor so if all those actors are Manning then Hollywood is filled with liars and traitors.
How is that news?
Who didn’t already know that Hollywood actors and directors are some of the biggest addicts, liars, hypocrites and traitorous bastards on the planet?
In a world about “freedom of information” people tend to believe everything should be wide open and nobody should have a secret, but themselves, I would dare, no hell I would DOUBLE dare any of this “I’m Breanna” idiots to grab their mailspool, all their documents and pastebin them, information should be free right? we all should know what everyone else is doing? of course that doesn’t apply to me! (Yeah some ppl might call it lack of empathy I call it being a douchebag…)
While I won’t really comment on what should really be the destiny of this ridiculous comedy of a man I don’t see why some ppl are so hellbent on making him a hero. I swear this dude is the new Hanoi Jane *throws arms in the air* *sigh* *rolls eyes*
If a SEAL testifies he saw information related within the desk of Bin Laden, I don’t care if he meant it to show it to the queen, he KNEW as soon as it hit wikileaks he knew it would be downloaded, one thing most ppl don’t quite grasp is this guy was a secret squirrel, he KNEW who would benefit from that information, he went all teenager and since there was no cannons to sit and sing he grabbed all the files he could and ‘Stan Janed his way into “stardom”
Man 2 bad news on my bday, hell can I get a good phony at least? so I can write some good stuff before my age makes me start forgetting them? (that’s going to be my excuse!) I’m one year away from not being able to even hit reserves (I think is still 39 right?) I hope I can get my green card before it happens!
Anonymous in Jax: there’s a good reason no one has been prosecuted for that video. It’s called, “No crime was committed.” War often involves death, including “right place/wrong time” deaths.
Walking around in a combat zone in the company of members of an armed insurgent group while carrying something that looks substantially like an RPG is not conducive to either long life or good health.
Whether anyone has died yet, or will, from Manning’s doings has yet to be determined. The threat is there. Never, ever release classified info to anyone for any reason. After the Army I served in the Air Force at a SAC Missile Base. Those birds were decommissioned and dismantled in the 80’s but guess what? The anti-disclosure statements I signed when I left are not wear dated. I consider them to be still in effect, as they state clearly. Manning committed treason. These hollywood types in the video are brain screwed into thinking it is a just, anti-conservative, liberal loving cause. Something they love to get behind. Manning didn’t whistle blow about someone embezzling funds. He gave up CLASSIFIED intel. Another example of the hollyleft being so open minded their brains fell out on the floor. Hope Manning does big time in a federal pen, because the current admin will never punish treason to the full degree. I hope someone there “gets behind” his cause on a daily basis.
I’m sure all these douchetools are for openness.
Unless you ask them how much they spent on hookers and blow last week.
What it boils down to is the basic question, when you witness or are ordered to do an illegal action… when is it right to keep that classified? When does the chain of command trump the constitution? If you know your government is complicit in war crimes is it honorable to speak out or is it honorable to shut up and follow orders?
This seems to be the big divide over the Manning issue. Even if the list of active service members did make it to OBL somehow, which would have been at least 18 months out of date… a big if in my mind, how exactly does that help the enemy at all? Not like OBL could text or IM the info to any subsidiary groups, or that it would offer them any possible advantage I can imagine.
Isa–did you not understand the basic fucking question? There WAS NO WAR CRIME COMMITTED.
None. Zip. Nada.
Breanna was a butthurt little bitch who was on his way out for being a miscreant little fuck. He did NOT use his chain-of-command, as he was REQUIRED to do if he witnessed what you claim happened (which did not.)
And I’m going to give you a lesson in OPSEC. You’re a bad guy. Which is more critical to you–old intel/crypto/etc, or stuff that hasn’t happened yet? (Hint: Choose door number one.)
No, Isanova, it boils down to keeping your yap shut when you deal with classified information. Manning dealt with INFORMATION; he was in no position to identify or report “war crimes.” It’s up to the people with “boots on the ground” to report war crimes. And if you’re afraid of being complicit in something, then you carry your happy ass somewhere else.
Hollywood shitbags indeed.
Committing murder of some half-dozen civilians on video and covering it up isn’t a war crime but it is a crime… US should have owned up to it as an accident the moment it happened and an internal investigation showed what happened. As to Manning going thru the chain of command, wouldn’t that get him arrested for sheer fact of accessing something he wasn’t meant to?
I don’t deny that he was delving into data that he had no right to, but I do believe he thought that and similar incidents and indicators of crimes would come out. Signs of wasteful and stupid spending did IIRC. Wikileaks analyzed the reams of data and verified none of what they released to be of tactical or strategic use to the enemy… though possibly PR benefit. Whatever your opinion of WL is, that assurance to Manning shows he did not want any info he released to be used to aid the enemy.
Im using the term war crime in more a generalization. If I said “your government is complicit in doing bad things” it would sound silly… what govt doesn’t do bad things on a daily basis?
One of Bradass’s attorney’s arguments was that Bradass wanted to ‘start a conversation’ on the rightness of our actions. So what was it, whistleblowing illegal acts or starting a conversation? Bradass was free to do that – as a civilian. He could’ve gotten out and joined IVAW. Started a blog (assuming anyone would have cared about his sage ‘thoughts’ about, well, anything.) instead, he betrayed his oath and disobeyed orders, and yes, released classified information. Hang his ass.
So if you’re a tech officer and you come across a report on the extermination of a village in bumfuck mountain you feel you should just ignore it? and you find that honorable?
Isanova: could you please share with us why you think Assange and his cohorts were in any way qualified, by experience or training, to competently determine whether information could have tactical or strategic value to AQ? And why their guarantee should have held any weight with little Bradass? Not that I think YOU’RE qualified to offer an informed opinion, but curious as to how you’ll justify that one.
Isanova, you are attributing way too much to breanna and his actions. He was a little bitch, who found out he could access information he wasn’t supposed to, and downloaded it all. He had no idea of what everything was he downloaded, or if it showed proof of any wrong doing. To him it was a game, and he gave it all away just because he could.
Asange is the one who took bits and pieces of it and leaked it out out of context, then the whole lot of it which resulted in the loss of lives, intelligence, and means of gathering intelligence.
Is our government perfect? Hell no, but what he did was not some noble deed, it was treason.
Not saying they particularly were any more than any lay person, even though I think WL did have ex-military in its staff… but there’s not exactly a qualified military intelligence think-tank he could send it to, and going thru it personally isn’t realistic either.
I wouldn’t say I am qualified, but I can make a reliable call that a shipment order of hamburgers in 2007 doesn’t have a lot of military practicality in 2010 other than possibly tracking down food service providers. Sure there are things that make for a harder call, but that’s the kind of thing I expect you find in reams of data.
Wikileaks analyzed and verified the data?
It wasn’t their data to analyze, who collected it and where did it come from?
It came from someone who committed a crime in the releasing of the data. That individual has to pay for that crime, Wikileaks being an accessory after the fact doesn’t lessen their involvement either. Mr. Assange will undoubtedly reap the rewards of the karma he has sown over the last decade. He will discover that karma is, and always has been, a harsh mistress. It will be quite interesting to observe his realization of that truth.
If you are known by those who vouch for you, Manning is a lying sack of sh1t much like the Hollywood liars and reprobates vouching for him.
Veritas @25 – you preempt my point nicely. Even if WL had been qualified to analyze the data, it wasn’t their data, any more than it was Manning’s to give to them.
Isanova @24 – hamburger shipments aren’t at issue here. PII of Federal employees and operators, is. Operational information is. WL wasn’t qualified to determine what would or wouldn’t be harmful to the United States, and neither was Manning.
Ok, I finally watched this hollywierd love fest and one thing I am wondering; why aren’t they making an ad for the whistleblowers in the Benghazi cover up? You know, the ones who have been threatened by this administration if they talk?
Hypocrits
Committing murder of some half-dozen civilians on video and covering it up isn’t a war crime but it is a crime
Perhaps you’re not familiar with the phrase “collateral damage”, Isa. Perhaps you’re not familiar with the tactics that AlQ and these assholes use, namely to hide among the civilian population, etc.
Again, while regrettable, it’s not a crime. There was no premeditation to murder civilians and civilians alone. If they choose to associate with known terrorists, sorry if I’m not shedding any tears, Isa.
Makes ya wonder how you reconcile our bombing campaign over Europe and Japan in WWII. How do you come to grips with that, anyway?
Isanova: engaging an enemy party during combat isn’t murder. It’s a legitimate act of war.
If correspondents from a news organization are with said enemy party during the engagement and get killed – too bad. That’s a case of “right place/wrong time/known risk of the job”.
If said enemy party is using civilians for cover, or takes cover among civilians during an engagement, they – not friendly forces – bear the responsibility for the civilian deaths that result. By taking cover among civilians or using them for cover, they’ve violated the Laws of War.
If enemy civilians appear at the location of an engagement immediately at the end of same and appear to be offering assistance to the enemy, they run the risk of being mistaken for enemy and of being engaged by mistake. That’s an unfortunate fact of life. However, even in such circumstances there is no crime. Unfortunate civilian casualties are a fact of life in every war.
Bottom line: the incident was thoroughly investigated. No crime was committed – period. All actions were reasonable given the situation and circumstances. Anyone arguing otherwise is either a fool living in an ivory tower or an anti-American tool with an agenda.
@24 I would also argue that shipping hamburgers directly indicates the logistical support capabilities of your enemies. Based on the volume of shipped hamburgers and the locations of those hamburgers it would be quite easy to identify areas of larger troop concentrations to avoid them and attack the areas that require less hamburgers because there are less troops in those outlying locations.
Military data is military data. What seems mundane to a lay person or someone who lacks any military education can be quite informative in the right hands.
Discussing a simple water shortage in WW2 was enough to convince the Japanese that a direct attack on Midway was a sensible operation to continue planning and executing as the troops there would be struggling with hydration issues. While that conversation was a trick to determine the Japanese Naval code, it does indicate that innocuous conversations can aid an enemy’s decision making process.
Keeping your mouth shut when you see immoral acts being committed isn’t honorable. If what he says is true, he did it because he couldn’t in good conscience just sit by and watch what was going on. You guys seem to trust your government a little too much.
@31: War is immoral. Some super pog can’t simply take it upon himself to decide what is moral and immoral regarding operations and tactics he literally knows nothing about. He was given special access specifically to not disclose information, knew this, took the job, and said fuck it, I’ll do what I want because I’m special.
Not sure who the biggest losers are in this, the traitor himself or the other traitors that support his actions.
@31 HE didn’t SEE ANYTHING. He was dealing with INFORMATION. I deal with medical information day in and out, and I can tell you that at best it’s fragmented, compartmentalized and nearly incomprehensible on a good day. You think battlefield intel is any easier to make sense out of? Manning was in no position to determine if what he dealt with was “immoral” or not.
What he DID have the ability to do was route anything he thought noteworthy to higher authority. That was his job and obligation. Instead, he funnelled classified info to an organization that had no right or ability to censor the data they received, and was, in fact, known to scatter sensitve data to the four winds. That was a criminal act, and that he DID know.
@31: I work for the gov’t, which is why I DON’T trust it. However, that doesn’t give me a pass to ciolate my oath and make classification decisions I’m not qualified to make. Fail.
@32: perfectly stated.
Youve never been in the military have you isa? I have. I remember distincly getting briefings, along with my entire brigade, multiple times on war crimes and the law of land warfare before i deployed. They focused entirely on what we cannot do even at war. Things like double tapping. Who cares how a soldier kills a combatant? Its war right? I know the marines care cause they charged a couple of em for doing just that in fallujah. How about if an insurgent fires on a soldier killing them? Then the killer tosses the weapon and walks away like nothing happened. Game on right? Its war right? Wrong. Cant kill the insurgent if hes now unarmed unless you can verify for a fact he was the shooter. Even if hes the only person walking around in the middle of a firefight for a three block radius. So lets analyze the war crime you keep talking about. 1. Innocent civilians were killed during the collateral murder video? Wrong. RPGs and AKs were found at the site. No ones allowed to carry RPGs in Iraq. The only people that do are insurgents. Insurgents arent innocent. 2. Two journalists were killed in the attack. True, but is that a war crime considering they embedded themselves with insurgents to get their story? This isnt a wrong place wrong time scenario. Yhey knew the possibility of being killed if the people they were with were targeted. They accepted that risk and died for it. Thats not a war crime. Thats placing more value to a stupid story than your own life. To answer your question, i dont know what the fuck a tech officer is or why he would be receiving this information in the first place. If he wasnt on the ground to witness everything then youre damn right he should just ignore it, otherwise he’s liable to misinterpret the information he’s given with his own skewed paranoia of what the military really does because he sits behind a desk. If that didnt sit well with him he couldve gone though his chain… Read more »
@31. “You guys seem to trust your government a little too much.” Yeah, I thought so.
Anonymous n Jax: by that logic, you must approve of Jean Valjean’s sentence to years in the galleys for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving sister and her children (see Victor Hugo’s Les Miserables). After all, theft is an immoral act – right?
My point – in case you missed it – is that it’s often not that easy to determine which choice is the “moral” choice. That’s particularly true when it comes to both war and intelligence.
It’s even more true when you have neither complete data, sufficient background, nor the experience necessary to evaluate the situation accurately. That description (clueless, inexperienced, naive) fits Manning pretty much to a “T”.
Speaking for a traitor isnt honorable either, Jaxass…
“Keeping your mouth shut when you see immoral acts being committed” —
Stop right there. Manning was a desk jockey working in an enclosed environment. He was NEVER in the field witnessing anything. How do I know that? It was in the report when he was busted, you dope. It was public knowledge then. Nothing has changed that.
It is my understand that Manning didn’t “out” anything. He wasn’t a whistleblower; he was a spoiled child. He just did an information dump that included classified information that got people killed. It was particular to “war crimes” or anything that was wrong. Manning just wanted to make a statement because he was pissed that he couldn’t take a date to the military prom.
One of the only reasons that Hollywood is lionizing this idiot is because he belongs to a special protection group that are always heroes.. It is the same reason Kaitlyn Hunt, statutory rapist and lesbian has been made a hero in the press.
Think of the hunger we could eradicate on the cost to make this film.
They will love this shit out here in the Great NW.
Losers.
I would posit that most of the people throwing around the term “honorable” have never been in a position that require a major integrity check.
They need to pull this punk’s citizenship and send him on a one-way ticket with the clothes on his back.
Let his “supporters” deal w/ him.
We will see how long that lasts.
Just saying…
Oh puh-leeze, stop saying he got people killed because you don’t know that for a fact. I wish I had the time to respond to everyone’s comments, but unfortunately, I don’t….so I’ll just say that I understand the points you are all trying to make and I appreciate the argument. However, I think the government is just trying to hang him out to dry. If he was about to be put out of the military because he couldn’t hack it, well then someone should have thought twice about allowing him to have continued access to documents that were so critically important. The fact of the matter is our government issues way more security clearances than they ever have before and they classify far more documents than they ever have before….stuff that seems to be classified for no apparent reason. Maybe our government needs to get smart and scrutinize candidates a little more before we allow just anyone to have access to everything. With that being said, Manning doesn’t deny releasing the documents. He has already plead guilty to that charge as far as I know. But his lawyers are fighting the charge of aiding the enemy on the grounds that it wasn’t his intention to aid the enemy. As far as the documents being in the possession of Osama bin Laden when he was killed….I’ll believe that for sure when we know bin Laden is truly dead. Right now all we have is the word of a President who hasn’t really been true to his word up until now.
For the record, I feel I should add I’m not totally on the Manning bandwagon. He’s admitted he released the documents, but I just think people are blowing it way out of proportion as to the amount of damage it has done. As far as aiding the enemy….MAJ Hasan has aided the enemy far more than Manning IMO and yet he hasn’t been charged with treason or aiding the enemy….yet.
“On 10 May 2010 WikiLeaks put out a tweet asking for as “many .mil email addresses as possible … please submit”. The next day, the government allege[s], Manning downloaded form a classified database the email addresses and names, ranks and positions of more than 74,000 service members on the Iraq global address list.”
Well, if that’s not a moral and honorable thing to do, I don’t know what is!
Admittedly, I tend to believe that the prosecutor actually has evidence of that allegation. I guess that makes me a sap. Oh, and Assange, the Manning butt buddy? He’s still hiding out in the Ecuadorian embassy in London! It seems his sense of morality will not allow him to answer to the sex crimes alleged against him in Sweden.
@44: I will grant you the limited agreement that he should’ve never had his clearance, much less kept it after proving himself unstable (and it’s well documented that he did.) the chain of command that kept him working, vs. put his sorry butt on a plane home for a discharge, needs to be held accountable and lose their jobs. And I’ll also agree that there are too many clearances in the wrong hands, often. I’ve got a Secret clearance, and I’ve never seen anything that couldn’t be found on Google.
Ajax;
I suspect most folks here don’t trust the government much, if at all….but we do honor our agreements with the government and the military.
SF-312 indicates very clearly what is, and what is not allowed. Manning was educated about all of his obligations as required by this documentation and he had to sign it with a witness indicating any questions were answered and documentation regarding appropriate statutes and executive orders were available and shown to the party signing the document.
Honorable people honor their agreements, Manning is neither honorable or truthful. He will reap the benefits of that shortly.
It doesn’t surprise me that he dishonorable people of Hollywood are on his side, these are people who routinely disregard their word, their contracts, and any semblance of honorable behavior. That they find him a kindred spirit makes perfect sense.
I hope Manning’s last moments on this earth are in an agony filled regret.
Anonymous in Jax: The funny thing about that video is that they only play a minute and a half of the entire ten minute video. They also fail to mention any of the facts and findings from both 15-6 investigations that were conducted (one before and another in response to the video).
The fact that a 15-6 investigation occurred, shows that the military took action in accordance with military regulations and procedures. Just because people don’t agree with findings doesn’t constitute inaction by the military or a cover up. Civilian death does not automatically equal war crime (an overly simplistic belief held by most of the Manning defenders).
Wiki leaks had no desire to tell the truth in what it released as it falsely claims with that video. It had an agenda to sell only their point of view by giving it a negative name and omitting context to get the desired effects. The fact that the left continues to use it as an example based on only a small clip with no desire to understand the entire situation shows their ignorance and close mindedness. .
Here is a link to the 15-6
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/06/6–2nd.brigade.combat.team.15-6.investigation.pdf
Here is an article on the successful IO campaign by Wikileaks.
http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/journal/docs-temp/595-bretonpearson.pdf
Being computer challenged, I was unable to attach a link for this. On CBSNEWS, they have an article from July 28, 2010, entitled “Wikileaks Reportedly Outs 100s of Afghan Informants.” The article not only indicates that the informants were named and located by where they lived, but that the Afghan government restricted access to information to the US government as a result of the leak. That, Jax, is aiding and abetting the enemy. A later article indicated that informants had disappeared. When people in that part of the world “disappear,” it generally means they’ve been killed.