An inquiry
Someone who has been reading your comments on Shane Ladner’s DD214 has sent us the Member’s 4 copy of the DD214 and wants to know your analysis of this one. I’ve always told you guys that you’re the stars of this blog, not me;
Some of you former recruiters probably know about the code and stuff.
Category: Phony soldiers
According to the Google Machine;
JFL – Physical Disability – Severance Pay or Juvenile Offender.
Here is what I have for the Separation code JFL
JFL – Physical Disability – Severance Pay or Juvenile Offender
JFL – Physical disability. entitled to severance pay., USN – Officers
JFL is physical disability, usually means severance pay as well
Code is correct, if he really got it. However, there is nothing different than Member 1 copy. All fake, since it isn’t in his original.
JFL separation code (before DoD stopped releasing what they meant) was/is a Physical Disability/Juvenile Offender discharge code.
But what strikes me as strange as the RE code is NA. Sorry, but I thought EVERYONE gets an RE code, don’t they?
As far as awards, the one that screams NO to me is the Joint Service Commendation Medal. Sorry, would just say with “V” device.
I’ve never seen a severance code without a re-entry code. Fake.
Yeah- he wanted to make sure everyone knew exactly what the V meant. Normally, it wouldn’t have it spelled out like that. Fake.
Frankly, I’d love to see any PREVIOUS copies of his 214–you know, the ones that show prior service. But hey, that might just show how FOS he is, and we can’t have that now, can we?
And wouldn’t this have been an electronic signature by 2004? I know when I got out in 1999 it was still paper 214’s, but electronic wasn’t far behind–think Jesse MacBeth’s, et al.
The Separation Authority of AR 635-40, PARA 4-24B(3) appears to support the code.
@9- I mentioned that earlier, but it was pointed out that some places were still using the old form.
@10- what about the lack of re-entry code? I’ve never seen a 214 for separation/retirement, especially for medical reasons, not list a R/E code.
@12–that’s the one that REALLY screams out to me.
I know PII has to be redacted, but knowing his DOB would tell us a lot too, like if he was in fact even enlistment eligible when he claims to have gone to basic.
NHSparky: I got a paper 214 when I retired in 05. They other thing that stinks is an Expeditionary Medal with no foreign or Sea service listed and a Reserve overseas ribbon as well. Both counters should have been carried over from previous 214s
@2 “JFL – Physical disability. entitled to severance pay., USN – Officers”
Gee, does this mean that being a Naval officer is a physical disability? Just curious.
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The key thing here: He has been caught lying already. Though his lawyers say he was told to lie, we all know that is BS.
Because of this, I don’t believe anything on that 214.
@15–good catch. Expeditionary Medals with no foreign or sea service time is pretty much a no-go. Also, the total active/inactive service comes out to 13 years, 6 months, and change. So unless this kid did boot the summer between his junior and senior years (possible, but not real common) given the fact we already know he didn’t graduate HS until 1990…well…
In the years since the creation of the National Defense Service Medal, it is authorized only for the following time periods:[2].
Korean War June 27, 1950 – July 27, 1954.
Vietnam War January 1, 1961 – August 14, 1974.
Persian Gulf War August 2, 1990 – November 30, 1995.
Global War on Terrorism September 11, 2001 – present.
and he has no RE Code—find that hard to believe You get one even when you retire
Correction to last…total PRIOR active/inactive. Using Feb 2003 as a starting point and going back you get around August of 1989, meaning it’s even LESS likely he did boot between junior and senior years (back in the 1980’s it was the SAM–Sea/Air/Mariner program. Don’t know if the Army has/had an equivalent.)
The separation code is correct for disability, but I also find the lack of RE code odd. Another thing that that is off is that the amount of his severance pay should be stated in block 18, at least it is on my 214. He may very well have been separated for injuries but they did not occur down range, the code for that is JFI not JFL.
Either he had a very incompetent clerk filling his DD214 out when he got out and whom didn’t file it afterwards, or this is simply a forgery. I vote for the latter.
I got a 10% disability severance package and in block 18 everything was spelled from time in service to the actual dollar amount. This one does not say anything about his severance except it happened! I got out in 2003 so it is close to same time frame.
I never saw an E-5 with no extra school, No driver’s training, combat lifesaver, field sanitation team just nothing
I dug out my DDs and looked at the block for the re-enlistment code (block 15). On the first one, (1970) it’s RE-1, on the second one (1974), it’s just a line of —– typed in. But that was in the long ago
On shane’s it may mean nothing now, or it may mean that the clerk just didn’t know.
My expertise is limited to travel. But, I would ask why 12. F and G are not completed. Is this common prior to the 2009 revision of the DD214? I am speculating.
he is missing his RE code and didnt initial on the corner there.
Disregard #25 it looks like yall pointed that out already.
Why don’t we try and get ahold of the person who signed this and ask her if she would ever sign off on this abortion?
She’s a GS-7 civil sandcrab. Call her.
Wait- if this is his final DD214, would he have a unit in block 9?
Not sure about this one, but in Block 16 it says “14.5” for days accrued leave paid. Is that right, for 1 yr 7 mo 20 days service?
Figure that ANG and ARNG did the same with leave during periods of active duty. It may have changed, but on the ANG side we were never given actual leave time, but got paid for it instead. So where did the other days go that he should have earned during that year and a half or so?
Or, maybe they did use leave time in 2003/04. I dunno.
@12- You got me, I was just playing Devil’s Advocate in pointing out what may be correct.
@31- We are given the option of cashing it in or using it as terminal leave. You also have the option of taking leave before you deploy, and if you have to take emergency leave in mid tour, that will reduce the number of days available at the end of your time in service.
Block 18: the statements having to do with being ordered to active duty and separation are not in correct order.
Also in 18: “Subject to Active Duty Recall” yet he was Discharged for disability and given severance? Is that even possible? Again, back to the lack of RE code.
The only time “N/A” should appear in the R/E code is when the soldier gets out with self terminating orders. However, the authorization code is for someone who is being discharged for disability. Am I wrong on this?
#25 – might be he didn’t go overseas on this activation…. NG units sometimes end up on active installation as gate guards… (when we deployed from Ft Carson in 2004 I think it was NY MG on our gates… came back to civilians)
Looking at block 2,8,9 could be he got hurt on active, was released for disability back to NG… it would mean that there’s an NBG22 floating around somewhere though.. (and it’d be convenient)
All the crap he claims (awards, multiple deployment, etc) and all he can scrounge up as proof is this poor excuse for a DD214? No citations, award certificates… nothing. THAT is BS.
OK, you can get a Navy Expeditionary w/o a Sea Service Ribbon. Got one on my first mission on the Buffy back in 88-89. Not underway for more than 90 days, so no sea service.
Paper DD-214 myself, late 2006.
CTIC(SG) (Ret)
#30 Nope if he was being discharged under Chapter 4 (I was retired under chapter 4) He would not have a gaining unit. He would have a gaining unit if he was REFAD and returned to his GAARNG unit.
Pretty sure you have to Initial block 30 on all copies before you get them from the clerk as well. I know I did at retirement (electronically but still had to initial them).
Whoops, also, I have a Joint Expeditionary from the next mission for the Vinson… was on for the right time period, but did not accompany to the Gulf, so again, no sea service.
Jorge–I was on that Op. But even then, you’d have a sea service/foreign service counter.
And the op in question was on the Buffalo, not the Vinson. Small world.
Well met Sparky… Good trip 😉
Yeah, counter went up, true…
Yeah, I’ll say it was. I still remember seeing some of the scope video.
Way impressive for being a bare-bones nub ET3. The CO at the time might not have been a very good human being, but he could drive the shit out of that boat.
Yeah, that dude has some serious huevos… video was still legendary circa 2003.
PS You didn’t have anything to do with tie-wrapping some guy in the torpedo room and leaving him propped up outside radio, did you? 🙂
I have no RE codes on my 214s going from title 10 deployed back to title 32 Guard. Since I wasn’t eligible to reenlist Active as a Guard soldier, kinda makes sense. I do have RE codes on my Active Duty 214s, though.
OWB: if he was in CONUS and his organization could spare him, he easily could have taken some leave along the way at holidays, etc . . . . Hell, until recently you got charged for leave when you took R&R while deployed in-theater (I certainly did in 2007).
NHSparky: I believe DEP time counts as inactive time, so Aug 1989 works just fine. If I recall correctly, Aug 1989 is when he entered the DEP. And some places were still using manual signatures on DD214s in 2006.
nucsnipe: I’ve seen DD214s where the Foreign Service line in block 12 was not cumulative. If that’s the case here, all that means is that he had no foreign service this tour – which we already know because of no GWOTEM. AFEM could be a carryover from a previous tour.
Yeah, this one looks fishy as hell. IMO either a whole lotta errors were made in preparing it, or it’s a fake.
He can’t provide copies of ANY… ANY award citations or certificates… Bullshit.
@45…no, I was the nub who got tie-wrapped in the Torpedo Room on XMas Eve and then undone behind Maneuvering, after a few people (names witheld to protect the innocent) applied neolube, Mobil Red, and whiteout to various parts of me.
Such fun on my first ‘Pac. The nubs who came after me got it a lot worse, though–to the point one went UA in the PI and came back 32 days later.
@47–tis true, tis true. DEP does count as inactive and for pay purposes. But no way in hell this guy was anywhere near Panama or Honduras before 1990, that’s for sure.