NFA tax is gone, gun groups suing

| July 7, 2025

 

The so-called “Big Beautiful Bill” (BBB) was signed by President Trump on the 4th. I’m sure for many on the Left the world will have immediately started to crumble, and for some on the Right the clouds parted and a single beam of light reached down to angelically halo… oh, stop it.

Okay, the bill was reportedly 900 pages, which makes it far shorter than the ‘Affordable Care Act’ famously described by Nancy Pelosi roughly  as “if you want to read it, you have to pass it.” No matter what, at the length of a thick War and Peace-class book it’s not something you want to wade through unless you have to.  There is, however, one part of it which surprisingly passed.

The National Firearms Act of 1934 famously restricted the sale of many types of firearms and accessories, like full-automatic weapons, short barreled rifles, sawed off shotguns (with an interesting loophole*) and suppressors. To purchase one, you must get fingerprinted, undergo yet another background check, and pay a $200 tax per item. Now, in 1934, this was a good chunk of money (almost $4500 in modern equivalent) so for years NFA items were very rare and mostly limited to the well-heeled. With time, and no indexing, though, the tax has become more affordable. Hearing protection, coupled with a desire FOR it,  has also improved. The days of putting a .45 case or a wad of cotton in your ear is gone, and you can no longer simply identify old shooters by how often they go “Huh?” Suppressors are even mandated in some countries, wereas here they are stigmatized and restricted by the same folks who scream bloody murder about poorly muffled two-stroke weedeaters.

The BBB has reduced that tax to $0. Don’t get too excited, there is a 90 day window before that takes effect (although some companies are proactively not charging it or absorbing it already.) But hanging a suppressor on your .22 or reducing your AR’s muzzle blast to lawnmower levels will get cheaper. For now, you still have to go through the printing, background checks, etc. hassle because all that wasn’t ended – yet. (If you live in a free state which allows suppressors and your local gun show is affiliated with Silencerco, they have in-store kiosks where you can do all that nonsense in one go at the store.)

Gun Owners of America, Gun Owners Foundation, the Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition, Palmetto State Armory, Silencer Shop, B&T USA, and others say the Supreme Court only upheld the NFA in 1937 as a tax law, and that legal basis no longer applies after Congress reduced the $200 tax to zero dollars.

“The Supreme Court has made clear that the NFA survives only as a tax law,” said Sam Paredes on behalf of the Gun Owners Foundation board. “Once the President signs this bill and the tax disappears, the registry becomes an unconstitutional relic.”  Washington Examiner

Does this mean we can buy what we want? Not yet, and I am dubious that both this Republican administration and conservative Supreme Court will agree. ** But at least the suppressor tax is headed out for now, which might make them a bit more affordable – and maybe make the poor range officers who HAVE to listen to close range gunshots all day have a bit better day. Not to mention KoB’s neighbors at his North wall.

* A shotgun with a barrel cut to less than 18″ barrel is an NFA item – but if it was built with a pistol grip, not a buttstock, it can have a pistol length barrel.

** The Republicans campaign as gun-lovers but don’t act it. The ban on new machine guns? Reagan. Ban on bump stocks? Trump. Trump has openly supported ant-gun measures (banning assault weapons, waiting periods) in the past, his AG Pam Biondi supported red flag orders and age bans on purchasing guns Florida  Bearingarms.com   The Supremes have sidestepped definitive 2nd Amendment decisions for decades and have declined to hear many cases which would provide such decisions, allowing things like “assault weapon” bans to take effect despite their own decisions and precedents.

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Toxic Deplorable Racist SAH Neanderthal

With the $200 tax gone on suppressors, and hopefully soon some of the more onerous requirements and regulations, will the suppressors themselves come down in cost?

KoB

The neighbors no longer question the 55 gallon steel drums or the massive amounts of steel wool that is ordered.

Old tanker

I’m on enough lists so I have no firearms that would even accept a suppressor. I had to wait an extra month to get the last pistol I bought because the non threaded barrel versions were all sold out. I think a threaded barrel on a carry pistol is pretty silly. I seriously doubt anyone would be packing a pistol with a can on an IWB or AIWB holster. I know damn well it wouldn’t fit in my pocket.

fm2176

Until recent years, I didn’t have any pistols that even had a rail system. To date, my Glock 45 MOS is the only gun I have with an optic cutout, and that, the G17 Gen 5, Security-9, Security-380, Beretta 80X Cheetah, and a couple of Hi-Points are the only rail-equipped pistols I own (I think).

The FN 545 Tactical I’ve been looking at has a threaded barrel. If/when I get one, I’ll probably get a suppressor, but of course it won’t be part of my daily carry kit.

jeff LPH 3 63-66

When I was working, we didn’t have those fancy optics on our Colt Police positive .38’s and S&W Mod.10 4 In. barrel .38’s. and S&W mod. 4046’s ,,We had the 25 foot rule.

fm2176

I’m torn on the optics. I have a Vortex Venom on the G45 but rarely shoot it. I know some older shooters swear by them, but I’ve always like iron sights. Even my long guns mostly lack optics, the exceptions being my ARs (one with the EOTech that came on it and the other with a SIG Romeo 7) and a few with regular scopes.

fm2176

Oh, and to elaborate on my opinion of optics:

A good self-defense pistol will set you back $300-$1000+ depending on budget and preference. Adding an optic on top of that will be another $200+ and could easily double the price of your carry gun. Most guns will hold up to being dropped, falling out of a holster, or other abuse. An optic can be another point of failure, and a bad drop can make your $500 optic a useless paperweight.

I kind of miss the days when holsters and spare mags were the major expenses when buying a new gun. Now, judging from “GunTubers” and other modern buyers, I need to put $1000 worth of stuff on my $500 Glock to be current. And let’s be honest, if I’m really putting optics and lights on a Glock, I should probably look into all of the aftermarket parts and spend another $500 into turning my Glock into a less reliable pistol with a Glock frame and little else.

5JC

For a suppressed pistol I carry open. My favorite being my Ruger Mark IV. It is heavy to be sure but has a lot of good qualities. Normally I’ll carry that when hunting larger game in case a smaller target presents itself. It is also a good carry for bow hunting, if your state allows that.

Roh-Dog

Can one ‘rollover’ any suppressor stamps they may have paid for? Asking for a friend.

Someone has their eye on a Tubé of Bloop (below).

[Also, you wanna cool collection of ‘splosives? Check out the CAT site marked in the corner of that image. I don’t believe they sell any of these items, which is a shame. Maybe they should… to finance the efforts to clean up UXO?]

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rgr769

Ahh, the venerable M-79 grenade launcher. In the Recon business in the Viet of the Nam we used to cut off the stock just behind the pistol grip and the barrel just ahead of the forearm, the ‘34 NFA be damned. The ATF had no jurisdiction over my armorer.

jeff LPH 3 63-66

I just mentioned to Roh-Dog about using the M-79 when we went down to Fort Dix when I was in the NYARNG bavk in 1975.

jeff LPH 3 63-66

When I was in the NYARNG 1975-1977 joining at a young age of 30, we used to go down to Fort Dix for live fire and manuver. we also had the bloop tube and used it for target practice. I used it and fired a few rounds at an old tank out in the field. We also had the grenade attatchment that went on the M-16 and I shot that using if I remember the main and side sight. My thumb doesn’t turn red when I type in M-16 as long as it isn’t M-you know what rifle..

SFC D

My first weapon in the Army (after training) was an M-203. A little heavy, but I just loved it. Got to spend a day on the 203 livefire range in Korea. Just a wee bit different than firing the pretty orange powder rounds. Not an earth-shattering kaboom, but still very nice!

Sapper3307

Pump it up!

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SFC D

The suppressor KoB needs on the north wall is probably more along these lines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvPeESVlCgA

Ya hear that fapping sound?

5JC

Trump pays tribute to the 2A crowd but isn’t really a strong supporter. However; he is better than any Democrat and most Republicans, therefore I will take it until someone better comes along. I mean someone already did.

Vance OTOH, inspired a editorialgasm from the NRA

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20240722/trump-s-running-mate-jd-vance-is-a-true-second-amendment-champion

Inspired panic and fear from the left:

https://momsdemandaction.org/press/what-you-need-to-know-about-vance-and-walzs-records-on-guns-ahead-of-tonights-debate/

The manufacturers are on board the Vance train and blowing the horn.

https://www.nssf.org/articles/former-president-trumps-pick-of-u-s-sen-j-d-vance-a-solid-second-amendment-choice/

5JC

My problem is I really need a suppressed 4.6mm MP7 but those German Communists wont sell me one. So what is a good stand in for one of those?

MIRanger

The Palmetto State Armory Jackal comes in several different calibers if you don’t want to stick with 4.6mm.

Some folks say KRISS Vector is a nice replacement (once again not 4.6mm)!!

But if you have to have it in 4.6mm (hard to find and expensive), check out this video for options https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wWzVJX6hqM

5JC

I’ve been looking at the Vector.

SFC D

Irish suppressor. Only drawback is that it only works on the first round.

MIRanger

I patiently waited 13 months for my first suppressor. Then I signed up for the online form entry…and didn’t buy any more. I guess I just need to get off my dead horse and buy a couple more for the ridiculous price of almost $1k.

5JC

Prices should drop like rocks. I’ve never paid even half that for a suppressor.

5JC

So in a peculiarity Silencerco had a sudden stock out of everything.

https://silencerco.com/shop/silencers/

26Limabeans

Who needs a suppressor?
Isn’t that the whole purpose of the gun in the first place?

5JC

They have a few uses:

Hearing protection when shooting indoors without hearing protection, like when you get out of bed at 0330.

Taking game without disturbing other game. Normally in .22lr. taking a squirrel or maybe a woodchuck or coyote when hunting larger game. You can make a 10/22 so quiet the only.thing you will hear is the brass hitting the ground, and then only maybe.

“To kill. Full stop.” – Chris Dodd

11B-Mailclerk

-slight- correction. Those “firearm” 12 gage shorties are a combination of rules. The overall length has to be over 26″. That is why they have that odd long grip. If you change it to a short “pistol” type, it becomes taxable.

Yes, there are a bunch of folks out there putting shorter barrels and grips on them. Ticking tax bombs.

Someone was selling another “firearm” that looked CAR-15, but had straight grooves in the barrel. Not “rifling”. Not “smoothbore”. I believe the rule was re-interpreted where you had to prove no minimal twist, like one turn in 10 miles. Essentially, the mechanical deviation became “twist” = “rifled” = NFA.

The Serbu Shorty 3 round pumpgun is made “pistol”, but is a $5 “any other weapon” NFA.

Note: Mr. Weaver, of Ruby Ridge, was beefed, and his wife murdered, for failing to pay a -five- dollar AOW tax stamp on an 18-1/4″ shotgun he slightly-shorter-stocked “to fit a youth” on request, winding up under 26″ overall.

Five dollars. Because a hunk of wood was 1/4″ too short.

Because the -original- draft NFA banned handguns.

The 16″ rifle rule, versus the original 18″ rule, was due to the Government selling off surplus M-1 Carbines that were all well under 18″. Oops. Easier to change the law than “collect” guns from recent WW2 vets.

NFA is a law that looks doomed under current SCOTUS precedent, now that it isnt a tax. Watch for congress to scramble to add a dollar stamp rather than allow it to be shitcanned. Or, Roberts to play tax-not buggerall with it like Obamination care.

Nuke NFA from orbit.