Open Carry Texas doesn’t represent American gun owners
These two fellows were part of a gathering of Open Carry Texas in a Dallas franchise restaurant called Chipotle. For some reason, the folks from Open Carry Texas made an appearance there to wave their rights in the faces of the folks who were there to enjoy a meal – you know, the reason that people normally go to restaurants.
Well, the incident prompted Chipotle to issue a statement asking customers to refrain from carrying guns in their places of business;
“The issue of gun ownership or gun rights has become one of the most contentious debates in the country. Chipotle has never taken a position on this issue, as we focus instead on our mission to change the way people think about and eat fast food.
“Recently participants from an “open carry” demonstration in Texas brought guns (including military-style assault rifles) into one of our restaurants, causing many of our customers anxiety and discomfort. Because of this, we are respectfully asking that customers not bring guns into our restaurants, unless they are authorized law enforcement personnel.
“Historically, we felt it enough to simply comply with local laws regarding the open or concealed carrying of firearms, because we believe that it is not fair to put our team members in the uncomfortable position of asking that customers refrain from bringing guns into our restaurants. However, because the display of firearms in our restaurants has now created an environment that is potentially intimidating or uncomfortable for many of our customers, we think it is time to make this request.”
Now, you’re free to boycott Chipotle if you want, but, they are a private business and they don’t have to tolerate you and your scary black gun at all, since they’re not bound by the Second Amendment. If they want to stay out of the whole gun debate, I understand that.
Open Carry Texas founder C.J. Grisham told Forbes that this past weekend’s activity was not a demonstration, but simply a meal following an event.
“We don’t go there just to carry guns into a restaurant,” he said. “We always let the manager know we’re coming. We try very hard to make people feel comfortable.”
Grisham said his group’s policy is to send an unarmed person into a restaurant to seek permission to dine and to warn staff and customers in advance.
“We’re peaceful, we’re looking for a place to eat, but we have guns,” he said. “If we’re not welcome, we’re not going to spend money there.”
Then don’t. To me this bullying and “in-your-face” tactics is no different than what we’ve seen over the past few years from gays and transsexuals who want to cram their flamboyant lifestyle choices down our throats, so to speak. Those tactics worked against their movement and it will work against law abiding gun owners who conceal our weapons and keep our mouths shut about it. In fact when I see someone open carrying, I wonder why they couldn’t get a concealed weapon permit.
If I saw those two dinguses in the picture above enter a place of business like that, my gun hand would probably rest on the butt of my concealed weapon until I was able to get out of that business safely. There’s no reason to open carry a long gun when you’re out on the town, and certainly not in a restaurant.
You’re not doing the gun rights folks any favors, in fact, you’re doing us more harm than good. I stayed out of the whole Open Carry Texas thing until now. But, this is really beyond the limits of responsible behavior.
I’ve never been to a Chipotle joint, but this won’t be one of the reasons that I stay out of one. Not after seeing the complete retards that they’re asking to come into their places unarmed. There are things that you *can* do, but you really probably shouldn’t.
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Looks like OCT just a million dollars worth of bad publicity for free.
These two choads put a couple grand into their weapons but I bet they miss the mortgage and child support payments. This just screams ‘I live in my mom’s basement.’ Thinking you’re a big man going into a restaurant flat out brandishing assault weapons–tells me this compensates for what bit of pink eraser God gave you on your birthday. I’ve carried a weapon in battle for my country. Four times. Why the leaping Christ you need to do this to validate you as a man, on American soil, is beyond me. This is Chipoltle, not Deadwood. And CJ ‘TOC Rage’ Grisham is your mouthpiece? Whoa…you must feel really special.
This. Exactly this. Three deployments for me as well, and exactly this. Bravo sir.
I know of several people, outside of Texas, that open carry. When a person carries, it’s not to validate anything about being a man. Why do cops carry inside the US? You don’t know the reason why someone is carrying, yet you want to assume it’s because it makes them feel like a man. Is that what you felt like when you carried when you were deployed? Do you feel like less than a man when you are in CONUS and don’t carry? If you answer yes to either question, then you won’t understand and no amount of trying to explain it to you will help.
If you are out in the country, walking down the road, and carrying a long rifle, you won’t get two looks from passersby, but in a populated area, you are sking for attention.
Some states make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to conceal carry compared to open carry.
As for these two chuckleheads? Well, I would laugh in their faces and tell them that they aren’t really doing anyone any favors by carrying a long gun into an establishment. When I was growing up, we had the ultimate in open carrying long guns called a gun rack in the back window of the pick up truck. We weren’t “brandishing” anything and I’m sure there are still some folks in some states that have the gun rack in the window of the truck.
I guess I just don’t get as whipped up as others, about the whole open carry/conceal carry issue as others. My own take is that someone open carrying has nothing to hide, since I don’t know of too many criminal types that would open carry.
CJ was walking down a road in Texas not rolling into a Chipotle. I support walking down a road with an open firearm especially if your in rural Texas.
You’re assuming these two inbred fucks actually got laid in order to have bred.
Yeah, well, any normal person would have anxiety seeing that, much less being forced to share space with it. I would have been moving as quickly, quietly, and without fanfare for the nearest means of escape from them.
Great article–but please don’t use the “R” word. It hurts those of us who have to deal with it daily.
It’s attention-whoring and drama-queening, nothing less. It’s immaturity and posturing with a “constitutional activism” label thrown on to make it sound pretty, and it serves absolutely no educational purpose, instead fomenting even more scorn and disdain from those who need 2A information most.
Seriously, they just need to go away.
Exactly!
Yeppers!
I saw a link on this story that showed the little twerps FB page. He looks like a wannabe little gangster. From the looks of his photo, the AR-15 is the most valuable asset the dipshit owns. Now I am all for lesser gun laws but I agree with Jonn. There is no need whatsoever to shove your views in everyone’s face. I know that a lot of people get alarmed at the site of open carry weapons. I have had people alarmed at me carrying my sidearm in view without a jacket on, the folks did not realize that I had my star next to the holster.
I carry pretty much everywhere that is not illegal. When I do though the gun is concealed. I also agree that seeing these two jaspers with AR’s would make me take notice. The more idiots that pull this, the more attempts there will be to ban open carry and create more gun-control legislation. IMHO.
There is also a picture of that dingus letting a toddler handle his weapon. I have a feeling that a minimum ASVAB was not reached.
I think responsible gun owners should start their own group, and we can call it,
“Don’t give Guns to Monkeys”
The title of the article says it all….
the fringe group “open carry texas” does not represent American gun owners….
They are a bunch of insecure idiots that shouldn’t be allowed to have a gun….!!!
In agreement, Jonn. I see enough of these obese assholes in BDU’s with their scary black rifles on the 25-yard range and at gun shows. If they come into a place where I’m eating, I’m going to be scurrying toward the exit as well. It’s not normal or necessary to open-carry a rifle on a normal day through town.
Five bucks says that these maroons have never set foot on any range other than the 25-yard one…
Fat Boy there looks like he couldn’t run five paces without collapsing even if he was sprinting to get the last jelly doughnut on Earth!!
Love the boonie, though. Nice touch for a guy I guarantee has never spent a minute in any armed service.
You shaddup. Why would you disrespect his service? Just look at those steely eyes and toned arms. I’ll bet he’s the best shot in his trailer court militia!
YEAH, and for all we know, he could be Commander of an Airsoft Squad, as well as a top expert COD player AND a Level 10 Supreme Wonder Wompus Wizard in WoW!!
Just to Clarify Infidel, in WoW Wompus’ can’t be Wizards….
OK, I’ll take your word for it, shows ya’ how much I Know about that “I have no life” game!!
HSS
“trailer court militia”. Love it!!
These two throwbacks look like Hansel and Gretel’s evil twins. The one on the left looks like he ate the witch, Hansel and Gretel all by himself. I’d feel uncomfortable having those two banjo playing retards running around the restaurant armed. If I had to caption that I would say “LOOK AT US, WE HAVE REALLY SMALL PENNI”
Those two dickless wonders look like just what you’d find at an Airsoft game, and yeah, if I was enjoying a meal and saw two mall ninja wannabes carrying like that, I’d have one hand on my Concealed Weapon as well, both of them look like the type that would shit themselves and either faint or freeze up any time the SHTF, listless LOSERS!!
I won’t take that bet.
It was enough of a pain in the ass to haul an M4 around in a DFAC that I can’t imagine voluntarily carring an AK variant around a Chipotle, especially when the rifle is as big as the owner.
In the past few weeks, I’ve seen three people open carrying pistols in the local shopping area. Not a big deal since almost everyone is a Marine or a cop, but enough to make it a trend. I personally never understood the open carry attraction. If you can buy a gun, you can probably easily get a CCP. I’d rather the bad guys not know that I am carrying until I can act at a time and place that’s advantageous to me.
Yup. Sling your junk barrel-down across your back if you have to go like that, boys… not like you’re going to have assault through a near ambush while waiting in line at Chipotle, you know. (Reminds of all the admin FOBbit retards at Bagram going to the PX will all kinds of complicated John Wayne gear on the iron that they’d never EVER get even close to using… )
If any readers here are the morons who pulled this stunt, listen to me. Christians are no longer relevant in this country because of imbecils like Tammy Fae Baker and Jimmy Swaggart. They turned the Christian religion into a circus act, and every Christian in this country has paid for that.
If you do that with the Second Amendment, YOU will be responsible for its imminent repeal. You need to think about the long term ramifications of your behavior before acting the fool in public. We will all end up paying the price of your stupidity.
Pinto Nag Thank you both your points. On Christianity and the Second Amendment. Well said.
@Pinto Nag
You just won the Triple Crown with your comment. Spot on!
Awarded the Internets for the day.
Truedat.
Thanks Pinto, you voiced my feelings exactly. When morons like these pull such stunts they are bolstering the arguments of the gun-grabbers that ordinary citizens are not responsible enough to possess firearms. To paraphrase the Bard,
“What fools SOME mortals be.”
That whole Michael Yon-CJ Grisham thing really was just an asshole-on-asshole fight, in retrospect.
I’m a member of the NRA, I’m a CCW holder, and I wouldn’t want those clowns anywhere near me or my family.
Jonn you wrote a well said article and I agree completely. I wouldn’t let either of those two inbred ass clowns try to change my tire, much less open carry those weapons in my place of business. They just did a huge disservice to their cause.
By the way, to the turd on the left, it looks like you need to carry less…weight, forget the long gun. You need to stay out of Chipotle, McDonalds and any other joint serving food for about the next year…at least! I’ll bet good money they are part of a weekend militia group too. I can see fat boy now, running and huffing through the woods on his search and destroy training. Dumb asses!
Chipotle pulled it’s support for the Boy Scouts. Have boycotted them since.
And yes, these two dick weeds should be run out of town.
Once I saw the name C.J. Grisham it all made sense. C.J. seems to be a controversy magnet. Common sense thought and actions don’t seem to figure into his agenda.
I grew up in an open carry state in a family of gun owners. I was exposed to guns at an early age and taught to respect them and respect others. My grandfather carried a revolver on his hip till the day he died, both concealed and open carry. It was a normal way of life. I spent 23 years in the Army and am currently a LEO and firearms instructor. I have never taken a long gun into any establishment, restaurant or otherwise (except for the DFAC on deployments). Nor have any relatives or friends taken a long gun into those places either. That is just asking to make yourself a target and give normal common sense gun owners a bad name.
I have been saying this for a long time. These in your face 2A Activist do more harm than good when it comes to demonstrating responsible gun ownership.
I agree they have the right to own an AR or an AK, or any other firearm out there. But parading around like that intentionally trying to provoke reactions is dangerous, ignorant, and irresponsible.
Yep. We won’t even start on the fact that the round mound’s weapon probably wasn’t secured for the majority of the time since both paws were wrapped around a burrito. Or 7.
You know…..if you have a lawful concealed carry weapon and you happened to be in Chipotle’s with your family trying to enjoy a meal, can you imagine if these guys walked in unexpectedly? All it would take is one person to panic….an employee or maybe an older woman – what if screaming ensued because the panicked person felt that their life was in danger – maybe they reasonably think a stickup is occurring, or worse. So, you’re sitting with your family, what would it take for you to draw down on the fricking idiots pictured above when people start running out of the restaurant yelling and screaming while you are innocently protecting your wife and kids?
It can and likely will happen. One incident with a loss of life and the leftists in and out of Congress will control the debate.
Pinto Nag said it perfectly above…..
They look like a binary code. Switch positions and they’d be a perfect ’10”
hahahahahaha
I’m a 30-year NRA member and these people don’t speak for me, either.
I swear these open carry morons are working for the other side. I really want to believe that because the alternative is to believe that “our side” has the stump-stupid people on it.
What they don’t get is this: “Open Carry” is legal in many places only because it’s not specifically ILlegal.
Which means that all these people are going to do is draw people’s attention to that fact – and you can bet the next thing that will happen is that the city, county or state will pass a law that WILL make it illegal to open carry.
Though honestly, if it prevents crap like this, as much as I hate to see more gun laws passed, I think I would support such a law, at least on a local basis.
“I swear these open carry morons are working for the other side.” I agree with you 100%. Cui bono. The gun grabbers, that’s who.
I am in Texas and the way it was presented on an AM Radio talk show was that these two idiots were not members or affiliated with “Open Carry Texas”. I have no idea if this is true or not. I am not a member. Frankly, I am surprised they didn’t get shot by a customer.
Okay, let’s see what the “Open Carry” types have accomplished so far with their confrontational, in-your-face tactics:
1. They’ve managed to get open carry of both long guns and handguns banned in California, where it was previously legal.
2. They’ve managed to get Starbucks, Chipotle, and some other chains, which used to maintain a neutral stance regarding firearms, to adopt an explicitly anti-gun position.
Those tactics are really working out well, aren’t they? Keep up the good work, morons.
I’m not really into conspiracy theories, but at this point I’m beginning to wonder if at least some of these open carry idiots aren’t in fact paid agents of Bloomberg or someone similar, hired to embarrass and discredit gun owners and 2A supporters. Think about it: if they were anti-gun agent provocateurs, what would they be doing differently than what they are doing now?
I wouldn’t doubt it at all. Bloomberg to me will do whatever it takes to win.
And that one has endless funding.
It’s a valid point, and maybe the next time these lunatics pull this stunt, they need to be confronted and questioned. Publically.
Leopards don’t change their spots, and maybe it’s time to find out if they actually DO support 2A.
Yeah, you could be onto something there, Hayabusa! The only thing liberals care about is forcing their agenda on everyone, and Soldier of Fortune wannabes like those two human cockroaches play right into liberals’ hands.
Regarding point one let’s not shift the blame from where it really belongs-California was always going to see restrictions on firearms once they put lefties into all of the key positions of power. These guys are assholes, but they aren’t to blame for what has happened in the once Golden State.
In great part, at least in the case of open carry, they are. This was a non-issue until these cuntbags started toting their bang sticks in front of the State Capitol, bringing them into restaurants, etc. That was put it on our legislature’s radar, and they responded in their usual way; they created a ridiculously complicated, overreaching bill that not only banned open carry of the type shown here but also created a legally complicated situation for people trying to do something as simple as carry their gun from the parking lot in to the gunsmith or on to the gun range, etc. Our legislature might be incompetent, but we never would have ended up like this if it wasn’t for these jackasses being obnoxious and intimidating in public.
And yet-despite the actions of the assswagons featured in the article-there is virtually no chance of Texas passing a similar law. Lefties are gonna lefty, the pretext that they use to justify their leftism is irrelevant.
There’s only one reason to support them open-carrying – they make big conspicuous targets for the bad guys. Otherwise, they need to secure the weapons in a car.
The only good reason for an open-carry law is to keep legitimate CHL-holders from getting yelled at or ticketed if their gun happens to get exposed. Sometimes the more hoplophobic public freaks out if they happen to see a flash of a concealed gun, unintentional or not.
“Conspicuous targets?” Yeah, and then some.
Actually, if a real bad guy came into Chipotle with evil intentions, and Mr. Fatass Boonie Hat in his circus tent t-shirt has his predictible heart attack, he would make a great sandbag to hide behind.
In fact, after he dies his family should donate his body to the local shooting complex to use as a berm on the .50 cal range.
Fer crying out loud… did the guy on the right put the ENTIRE Tapco catalogue of plastic junk on his SKS?
The Derp is strong with this one…
Yeah, I bet he spent nearly all his allowance from his Mommy & Daddy as well as his paychecks from Burger World and the corner shop so he could be a GEARDO!!
I would love to see ATF do a 922r check on the SKS. Then take it.
I would LOVE to see the video of that if it were to happen!
Man I’m just rolling my eyes here. All kinds of bad, all kinds of bad, bad, bad.
1. That group of morons are just that … morons. They don’t speak for me, nor do they represent me, or what I stand for.
2. However, and this is what burns my ass. If a private photographer or cake-baker can be sued for violating someone’s constitutional rights (vis-à-vis refusing to do business with –aka discriminating against– openly gay couples,) and are forced by a court to do business against their will, then answer me this. How can Chipotle make a rule that discriminates against my constitutional right to bear arms.
I don’t condone what these morons have done. Nor do I condone what Chipotle has done. As far as I’m concerned two wrongs do not ever make a right.
Of course the left would have it be “do as I say, not as I do.” And if you don’t like it, too bad.
Serious eye-roll.
Gravel: Apples and oranges. The cake-baker case here in CO had nothing to do with “Constitutional rights.” It had to do with a CO statute that makes it illegal for a business to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.
Now you can agree or disagree with that law but it is the law, duly passed by the state legislature and signed into law by the governor, so it is the law and those who violate it are subject to punishment.
Elaborating a bit: IF there was a state law that made it illegal to discriminate against fatbody neckbeards with TAPCO-ed out rifles in public places, then these clowns would have a case but AFAIK there is not such a law and until there is, the owner is free to make whatever rules about his business that he wants.
Martinjmpr
Again, I don’t agree with “fat body neck beards” (which, by the way made me spit coffee out lol.) But I don’t agree with Chipotle either. And just for the record it didn’t just happen in Colorado, if I remember correctly, there are other businesses involved, in other states, that have been sued.
And, as to apples and oranges, yeah I agree that it is, but my point is that it’s ALL black and white, with no room for gray in the middle. Unless, of course you’re discriminating against a favored cause of the far left. Then it’s whatever shade they should choose.
I think that free association is a Constitutional right, though our more correct betters would probably denounce me as a “hater”.
Let me illustrate why compelling the baker to do business with gays (or anyone else) against his will is idiotic.
Situation one:
Gay guy-“Hi, I’d like to hire you to bake the cake for my wedding”
Baker-“Sure what’s your fiance’s name?”
Gay guy-“Steve.”
Baker-“Sorry, I don’t approve of gay marriage. I won’t accept your business.”
Gay guy-“I’ll take my business elsewhere” thinking to himself “and write you a bad review on Yelp.”
Situation two:
Gay guy-“Hi, I’d like to hire you to bake the cake for my wedding”
Baker-“Sure what’s your fiance’s name?”
Gay guy-“Steve.”
Baker-thinking to himself “I don’t approve of gay marriage, but it is illegal for me to turn him down, so I’ll just do a horrible job on their cake”, but actually says “OK”.
Now which of those is more honest and leads to a better outcome? It may be stupid, petty and small minded for private individuals to discriminate, but they should absolutely be allowed to do so.
68W: Stupid or not, the people of the state of Colorado, through their representatives, passed a law that made such discrimination illegal for a business that is open to the public. It’s no different in that respect to laws regarding insurance, safety, licensing, taxation, zoning or any of the other myriad of laws that small businesses have to observe.
Businesses used to be able to discriminate against people based on their race, ethnicity, language, country of origin, etc. The legislature determined that this was a problem and they passed a law to prohibit the practice. Unlike the Federal civil rights statutes, the state statute in this case included sexual orientation.
So, stupid or not, it’s the law and the business is expected to comply with it or face the consequences.
I agree that I wouldn’t want to do business with a company that says “we don’t serve ‘your kind’ here,” but I think you have to agree that civil rights laws are not a bad thing.
There was a time in this country where if you were black, brown, poor, or an immigrant, you just weren’t welcome in some towns, and nobody would welcome you into their business, nobody would let you stay in their motel or eat in their restaurant or buy food in their grocery store – whether that meant they lost money or not.
That’s the kind of discrimination that these laws were designed to combat and I don’t think it’s a bad thing that civil rights laws were enacted.
To the extent that “civil rights laws” apply to the government, they are fine things, because government exercises power-it has a monopoly on force in our society-and must not do so on a discriminatory basis.
But private individuals must have the right to “discriminate” if we are to have “free association”. So let’s not confuse the two issues. Private individuals and businesses do not exercise force-which is to say that they cannot compel others to act in a certain way, after all there is no monopoly on cake baking in Colorado (unless the state legislature has done something monumentally stupid very recently)-and so they should not be compelled to act against their own moral judgement (at least to the extent that doing so brings no harm to another).
Legislatures are forever inserting themselves where they have no business. Jefferson himself said-“a free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.” There is no inalienable right to have your wedding catered, there is an inalienable right to associate freely.
“There was a time in this country where if you were black, brown, poor, or an immigrant, you just weren’t welcome in some towns, and nobody would welcome you into their business, nobody would let you stay in their motel or eat in their restaurant or buy food in their grocery store – whether that meant they lost money or not.”
There are probably more than a few places in this country where middle-aged white guys and veterans are not welcome, but those people are compelled by law to serve me rather than tell me to get out. So instead they go in the back and spit in my food (or worse). Frankly I’d rather be told to get lost and know where I’m not welcome.
Alternate #3 – Fine, sir, that cake will cost $3000, and must be picked up here 48 hours in advance.
Alternate #4 – Fine sir (thinking ‘wonder if they will notice that I substituted Tide for the flour when I deliver it?)
Anyone with more than an ounce of intelligence can discourage unwanted customers.
Chipotle (and Sbux) have not PROHIBITED guns. They have ASKED NICELY.
I will abide by their wishes and not open carry there or anywhere else.
What I carry concealed, will remain concealed for a reason. What they don’t know can’t hurt em.
I’m with you there. I like Chipotle. They’ve been rather forced by the same G’Damn 1% that’s plagued most us here for our careers. F’k it up for everyone else. My CCW stays C. I’ve never had to pull it. I hope I never do.
I’ve been carrying concealed for almost fifteen years, I’ve only drawn and fired once, and that was at a feral hog while I was helping my Father in Law fix a fence. Yeah, I missed the hog, but I was firing into a hillside, so I knew if I missed, the bullet was going to impact into the dirt. My Father in Law was happy that I chased the hog out of his pasture, so kind of a happy ending there. Liberals whined, bawled, and screeched that CCW Laws were going to cause a Wild West-like bloodbath, and that never happened. What DID happen was a sudden drop in violent crime rates wherever shall-issue CCW Laws were passed. Regardless, inbred urchins like those goons in that pic will do our side no good at all!
Not “goons”, I meant to say “GOOBS”, stupidassed auto correct!!
Well, ok, I have pulled a couple times while hunting, but never in a ‘situation’. Both times hog hunting in WV and TN. Never anywhere else, or at anything else. Maybe a white tail dispatch, if that counts, but not in this forum. F’n turds. Sorry GT, once again,had to be said.
I don’t have the CCW yet – busy busy busy – so presently, a gun is not among the things I carry out of sight. When I do, it will be. Either way, what the general population don’t know, won’t hurt em. Most of em.
Hack, once you get your CCW Permit, check with your State’s official CCW website to see how many other States yours has reciprocity with, that’s something cool to know!!
There it is. I carry everywhere I legally can. I tend to ignore signs that so no guns allowed. Unless some Dennis Chevalier gets it in his head to search me (which would be a huge mistake), no one is the wiser.
It’s really odd that ‘no guns at the table’ needs to be a written rule, but I see the ‘no guns allowed’ signs posted on a lot of restaurants here so it must need to be. It’s next to the shirt/shoes signs–come to think of it, those also shouldn’t have to be written rules. What’s next, dead animals and fireworks at the table?
What can they possibly do if your concealed weapon inadvertently becomes exposed and is seen? Are they going to ask you to leave in the middle of a meal that they’ll not get paid for?
It would be enlightening to know what their corporate guidelines are for management in such situations
Magically, mine never does, or ever has. Goes back to training and being tactically observant at all times. Something these guys will never know. Cocktails are off the menu when out in public, CC. Simplest thing to avoid. God, I want ‘little fingers’ to get busted with his ‘Kush’. One less root in the cesspool.
I had 2 thoughts when I read this article and saw the picture. 1. We all what those two are try to compensate for.
2. Just because you Can do something doesn’t mean you Should do it. Especially publicly.
Thank you, Jonn. Outstanding and I can’t tell you how timely. I’ve been on hiatus, returning to find I could no longer support a friend I once respected.
I won’t enable hypocrites and bullies.
Ever so cryptic.
Not really, Kriste’s my real name.
I wasn’t referring to your name. 🙂
I suppose, in the interest of clarity, I could rearrange the grammar. That’s really ROS’s forte though… and let’s face it, she’s a fan of cryptic. 😉
I really am, but your statement wasn’t so cryptic to me as I know of exactly whom and what you speak. I burned that Napoleonic bridge a year ago when logic and reason we’re met with ridicule and nothing but dramatic self-pity.
And you know full well that I’m on the verge of shooting my phone for changing were to we’re.
Having known ROS for years, I would not call her cryptic. I have never, ever had any doubts where I stand with her.
Now you, I do not know. However, based on just your post here I am getting the feeling that maybe being a drama queen is your forte.
Take it elsewhere, this is not the place for it.
Apparently I need to work on my reading comprehension… sorry about that
No worries. I was raised by 70’s era Sheepdogs; I have thick skin. This, no doubt, is why ROS and I appreciate each other so much. Well, that and the whole “Fun With Grammar” bit.
This is precisely the point in another thread, regarding transwhatevers. (Yeah, so I thought I’d drag it over here.) Because something is not illegal does not give license to people in a civilized, decent society to do what they will. If I had to choose, it’s a toss up whether I’d want one of these numbskulls, a crossdresser, or two fags holding hands and kissing at the table next to mine. (Actually, I’ll take the crossdresser.) This type of behavior gave rise to the self-created separate but equal “family” restaurant, “family” entertainment centers, and the like.
The difference: the two gay guys making out (which, if it were a hetero couple making out in a family restaurant, would be no less tasteless) can’t accidentally kill you dead. Or even infect you with the cooties of Teh Ghey.
These two, on the other hand ….
Such a shame.
Look what that kid did to that poor SKS.
I’m betting it’s a dime-a-dozen Chinese-made SKS, the choice of trailer court Soldier of Fortune wannabes everywhere!!
Reading the reviews on Classic Firearms, a lot of the ‘Chinese’ SKSs they sell are apparently early Tulas they imported.
But plenty of them are extremely cheap knockoffs made by Norinco. The Russian and Eastern European manufacturers milled their parts while the Chinese cast as many as they can as quickly and cheaply as they can, resulting in cracked breeches, bolts, and bolt carriers. My SKS was made in Yugoslavia, thus I know I’ve got a good 7.62X39MM semi-auto rifle, I’m hell-bent on going to the range with it, getting a good zero on it, then I’ll harvest some feral hogs with it!!
Some of the Chinese SKSs that were brought over in the early 90’s were indeed arsenal rejects but quite a few were not. I have a ChiCom SKS that’s one of the best rifles I own. Honestly, the SKS is a better rifle for a civilian shooter than the AK anyway. The AK is a throwaway rifle for throwaway troops, the SKS was designed at the tail end of WWII and is an actual rifle.
100$ POS, 500$ in accessories. Like to see him clear a malfunction. On YouTube…
You mean like when his breed will buy a worn out Ford Crown Victoria worth MAYBE $3-500, then “Trick or Pimp-It” starting with $3-5000 in overpriced, oversized UGLY rims after spending a few thou to have it raised to accomodate the “UGMO” rims, then $1,500-4000 on a stereo system, another few thou for an equally UGLY paint job, many of which feature registered copyrighted trademarks as well as gull-wing doors, etc., all of which devalue the car, and whose repo man gets first dibs on it when the little s&!t gets jailed for dealing drugs to pay for all of that silly superfluous CRAP? And to top it all off, the little dweebs usually live in either Public or Section 8 housing while they carry on their games!!
And the gear queer most likely doesn’t know how to shoot the gun either.
I have no doubt that:
-The sub-airsoft quality scope won’t hold a zero… a moot point, because the cheap plastic mount won’t hold zero either.
-the cheap “I couldn’t afford an AK so I got this” magazine reliably doublefeeds every three rounds or so.
-the AR is an off brand $500 POS that neckbeard likely paid $2000 for in the last panic.
I looked at the photos of the little dweeb holding his/its firearms, and the one in the pic of the toddler holding it, the alleged AR15 looks like it’s a .22LR wannabe knockoff, just look at the ejection port!! That booger-eating, bedwetting little jerkwad obviously doesn’t know shit from tar when it comes to firearms, I predict he/it will one day brandish a weapon in THE WRONG place and time around the wrong people, which could make him a Darwin Award®™ contender!!
Where is that turd finding 22LR to play with his toy???????
I’d love to know that myself.
I bet ole Dennis “Man o Chevy” Chevalier was at that Chipotle too with his guns-a-blazin!
Maybe he was thee sporting his Security Guard badge and a locked & loaded Airsoft gun?
Dennis could have played hero and tried to rough those two up. While he was hog tying big boy, he flashed his security guard badge letting people know a “real cop” was in the building.
And if he got even the slightest “boo-boo” while doing so, he’d write himself up about it like he was Audie Murphy, Alvin York, John Wayne, Chuck Norris, and GEN Patton all rolled into one while blaming The People of TAH for ALL of this world’s ills!!
Growing up it was no big deal to see a rifle or shot gun in a Rack in the back of a truck.
You could count on a few in the parking lot of the school everyday.
Guys would go hunting before and after school.
To carry a long gun into a place of business is just stupid.
Yes, so Mommy and Daddy legislators will now determine that they must pass laws against stupid–and so everyone gets punished.
“Grisham said his group’s policy is to send an unarmed person into a restaurant to seek permission to dine and to warn staff and customers in advance”
I particularly “like” the part about warning the staff and the customers. If these clowns admit to sending an unarmed person in to WARN the staff and customers in advance then they know they are just trying to stir up shit and attract attention. Best thing that could ever happen is that Open Carry Texas and their ilk somehow be shut down or disbanded. What a bunch of ass clowns just trying to push buttons and make headlines.
“Growing up it was no big deal to see a rifle or shot gun in a Rack in the back of a truck.”
Nor was it a big deal to do or say many, many things that are taboo today. Times have changed, for the worse. Do you realize that you would be expelled and brought up on charges for that today? SWAT would light your ass all kinds of up. And then there’s the speech thing. Instead of being corrected or your parents called for saying a ‘no-no’–it’s on your record (“Is intolerant of others.”) and you get suspended. The whole world is screwy. Not to worry, those of a different view. We are dying off.
I’m seeing quite a bit of intolerance here in these comments, and it’s not coming from the demonstrators. Interesting observation, how those whom advocate limiting one constitutional right demonstrate so little respect for the other ones.
Um. Thoughtcriminal, sometimes it’s “who”.
Yeah. Some of we ARE intolerant – of those whom have none regard for the rights of others. YOUR rights end within MY reach, sometimes within my view, and certainly on my property.
Oh, and for those with no command of the language, yet demand that we listen to them. Yeah, I have little tolerance for the willfully ignorant in addition to the selfish.
Dumbasses. Though it reminds me of a 3rd ID female Soldier I saw in Baghdad in 05-06 who was the fattest “Soldier” I’d ever personally seen in uniform. She didn’t want to deploy and figured if she was fat, they wouldn’t take her. So, they took her along and made her a 24/7 Fobbit. Best part, halfway thru the rotation they gave her a battle buddy who was about 90 pounds and made her look even larger. Hence, that’s what these two look like to me.
At the same time, these guys are the ones that will be shocked when someone who isn’t compensating or trying to look cool walks up to them with a pistol or a knife and shoves it in their throat and says “give me your rifles” and they won’t do shit but hand them over and say “please don’t hurt me, Dad said I’d look cool with this on my chest!”
These 2 Toaster Streudels are exactly why people scream gun control. This isn’t the Middle East and now because of THIS stupidity, new laws will have to be adopted to prevent these burnt flaky pastries from doing this again. It’s a waste, but go ahead and smear the white frosting on these 2. Ass clowns!
I call these kinds of tools the “Guns & Ammo magazine fetish” type of gun owners. Very little, if any, knowledge or experience in what works and what doesn’t work in the real world of firearms. Especially the little one. You just know he buys the latest issue of Guns & Ammo (or similar publication) to see what the latest in-style fads are, then drops every penny he has on it because Guns & Ammo said it was cool.
Look you little doofii, just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. It’s like ricing out a Honda Civic. Sure, you have every right to hot glue a body kit and an airplane wing to your Paul Walker wannabe fantasy car, but you are the world’s biggest ass clown for doing it, and I do not wish to associate with you. Yeah you, with the SKS and the overpriced useless optic and the gangster grip….leave it at home, homie. Worried about getting beaten up for your lunch money, and feel the need to carry protection? I don’t blame you, you little nerd. Carry a Glock. Under your shirt. Where no one can see it. No problem. And you, fatass, do some laps so you can fit into some jeans. Get some with cargo pockets so you can carry a handgun in there, since it won’t fit inside your waistband cause you’re a fatass. Whatever you do, quit walking around with a Blackhawk tac sling on while you stuff your face with shitty burritos. Dipshits….
Sorry everyone, this pic pisses me off.
What’s completely missing in the conversation, on both sides of the issue, is respect and responsibility. Those on the 2A side who act like those two morons pictured, don’t seem to realize that they are no friends to the 2nd Amendment with their “in your face” tactics. All they’re doing is upsetting good people, who may be on the fence, with their gross stupidity and irresponsible actions. Morons like those open carry jerks are also giving the anti-gun people tons of ammunition (no pun intended) to use against us. Those anti-gunners can and do paint all gun owners as redneck idiots who are a danger to themselves and others. The open carry group doesn’t seem to get the fact that they are making us all look bad. And why the hell carry a “evil assault rifle”? Wouldn’t it be enough and show greater responsibility to carry a handgun? Yes, I open carry…sort of. I’ve found that it’s easier for me to strap my gun on my hip at the 3 o’clock where it’s hidden by my seatback. I can still get to it very easily and no one is aware that I have a gun.
It’s not something I’d do, but in your face works and it’s how the left took control of our culture.
I don’t see how they hurt “the cause” more so than what the left does already which is lie and misrepresent the 2nd amendment issue in the first place, even when this type of thing wasn’t occurring.
FatCircles0311: see my post above. Open carry used to be legal in California, and now it is banned, specifically because of the “in your face” antics of these idiots. And Starbucks and Chipotle have gone from neutrality about guns to an explicitly anti-gun stance, again because of the open carry morons and their little publicity stunts. So, yes, they are doing harm to the 2A and anyone who cares about gun rights. Their activities are counterproductive and stupid.
Ahh Jeez. No way ‘Circles. Did you look at them? Go through the links. They found little ‘nozzle on Facebook and posted his shit. His fk’d up posts. I hope they bust him with his ‘Kush’ while in possession. It’s just like it happens here at TAH. You post it, you get exposed by it. Their right to do so. He has some small child holding a rifle in one of his FB posts. Way to represent, you 1% shitbag. No way they represent me. And the other link(I only looked at two)? That Asshole strutting around Home Depot with his rifle? Says he gets a ‘perverse pleasure’ (his words) from scaring women while carrying – I couldn’t watch the whole thing, disgusting prick mf’r. With his 12 year old daughter filming? Wrong. Just wrong. With all the active shooter cases lately, if I walked around the corner and saw that, I’d be tempted to draw, whether the young girl was present or not. And that’s never happened to me so far, and I don’t want to. Those assholes strutting around any restaurant while I’m eating with my family? Fk no. One hand buried and at the ready, the other shooing my family the fk out of there. They forced another corporation chain to make a stand they were originally conceding and/or neutral to. This won’t bode well. I carry concealed, and it’s never been anything but concealed. I ASSUME the guy sitting next to me is armed. It makes for a polite audience. I consider my 2A rights to be slightly higher than my right to drive a car (and I really need to get to work). If I flaunt it long enough, push the envelope just long and hard enough, eventually someone in authority might just make an issue and an example of me. These 1% flaunters aren’t helping me any. I live in a state that’s fairly tolerant, but getting worse year by year. I don’t need anyone else fk’ing it up for me. There are plenty of people already doing that, they don’t any extra help.… Read more »
I agree. There are many people who are on the fence or neutral in the whole 2A debate. When they are exposed to asshats like those open carry morons, their minds can easily be changed and they can be swayed to support restrictive gun laws. What’s needed are calm, common sense, responsible gun owners who can educate people about the 2nd Amendment and guns in a respectable manner. ‘In your face’ tactics only alienate, alarm, and even piss off people who could be in our corner.
Promise calm, brother. I prefer the ‘quite professional’ way of life. These guys just don’t get it.
These two jack wagons and their freaking compadres really dont get it do they? This kind of crap doesnt help us any at all. OCT, since I know you guys are already stalking this page and forum….STOP THE NONSENSE. You arent helping anything at all by wandering around looking like a freak show with the ENTIRE SOF/Blackhawk/5.11 Gear catalog on. Seriously….
As far Neckbeard and Geardo, the only issue I have with Neckbeard (other than the fact that he looks like a douche) is that hes open carrying his rifle. Geardo on the other hand……Heres an article with some pictures taken from his personal Facebook page before he was able to either sanitize it or make it private:
http://aattp.org/meet-the-dangerous-ammosexuals-and-gun-fetishists-that-invaded-chipotle-with-their-blessing/
Not exactly the kind of person I want to see affiliated with the Pro 2A or Open Carry crowd. And he damn sure doesnt need to be the face of ANYTHING pro firearms……..
The dickweed already sanitized his page.
Not really surprising to be honest. Im betting that he was getting heat rounds as soon as that article was posted.
In my post above, I was referring to that link, and one other. I imagine it’s been archived forever. Kinda like what happens here. The Home Depot shithead too. Nice looking out for your daughter, ya know, the one you think you’re protecting? I ain’t been this pissed since I (erroneously) though the Round Marine actually eat his way through two MC Ball events. That fat fk has buried in the posts, OBE. I’ll drag him up one day, if it ever quiets down. Sadly, I don’t think it will.
Now I’m making stupid typos. Please to forgive.
So all these folks at OCT managed to accomplish was to give the anti gun crowd a huge piece of propaganda with which to work with, and get Chipolte to change their policy on guns in their restaraunts.
Great job guys… I hope you know you really are not helping any here.
And Geardo boy… from all appearances is a wannabe thug gangster, who probably should not own guns to begin with.
This is taking on a Occupy Movement/Kokesh atmosphere, attracting the fringe characters and looney-bin peeps.
I’ve followed this for a while. There are much better ways to get one’s point heard. I think CJ and his posse could learn some things from the Empty Holster Protests:
http://concealedcampus.org/empty-holster-protest/
I was under the impression that the term ‘open carry’ meant wearing a gun in a leg or shoulder holster, in plain view, not held in your hands or arms.
The analogy is Josie Wales opening the door to the trading outpost with his back to the light, or Rooster Cogburn on horseback yelling ‘Fill yore hands, you sonofabitch!’ No one walked around with a gun in his hands unless he meant to use it.
These OCT guys are morons. They will do enough damage to the perception of 2nd Amendment supporters to bring out the crazies on the other side of the fence.
When do the gunfights start in the street? Anyone beside me notice that the Short Idiot in the photo has his finger on the trigger?
This ain’t the Old West, no matter what people think… or want.
My favorite PH; I thought so at first, but it appears that after expanding the picture, his finger just can’t quite completely cover the trigger. Small, short, skinny fingers. Yep, there’s a correlation there.
Analysis:
Short smug futch clutching his weapon at the ready with his finger on the trigger …
Some fat dude with a stance that is screaming “heavy load overhead” and perched atop is enormous melon and greasy hair is an after market booney hat.
If these two appeared anywhere near my environs, they would have been disarmed under the threat of being shot and slapped like little children!
Any questions?
Carry on!
No doubt.
MCPO,
WRT your comment “they would have been disarmed under the threat of being shot…” brings forth a valid question that’s been stewing in my brain box.
We typically assume someone out in public (mall, school, restuarant, etc) with a weapon as a threat (based on the series of events in past years). If Open Carry becomes more commonplace, how would one discern the difference? If the two pictured above were to walk into a place where I was at, how am I to gauge the appropriate reaction? Wait for them to threaten, shoot, etc?? Of if they are walking up to the doors of some place do I call the police, do I stand ready to engage and destroy? Does anyone see what I am getting at? I dunno how to sort my personal thoughts about this, what with having been robbed twice (once at gunpoint), having a stranger walk into my place while I was cleaning my weapons (he received the barrel of S&W in his mouth), and watching the news one night to see security video footage of a local robbery in which a “man” (aka drug thug) with a gun putting the barrel to my brother-in-law’s head….where does the line get drawn and how does society react? I’m not waiting for an explanation if I am with my wife and sons at a diner and someone walks in with an assault rifle….there will be no WTF moment, just chaos directed at the individual.
Those are great questions. I don’t know what I would do, personally, but I think it would follow along the lines of what Jonn said, about having the heel of my hand on the butt of my concealed .45 1911 Expert Commander. Situational awareness goes a long way to determining future actions. If I saw dumb and dumber walk in, I would do as I said up top in a previous comment, I would laugh in their face. Granted, if you’re going to carry a long rifle, you have it slung over your back, business end down, not posing for pictures like you just liberated France. That’s the part people should be concentrating on, not whether open carry is a valid societal norm, but rather how you open carry.
Thank you for the feedback OT, it feeds further into the issue of dealing with perceived threats. Everyday in the sandbox the XO recited the CYA “if you feel threatened, neutralize the threat”. It’s sad that here in my own town I feel as though I must perceive individuals as potential threats. If someone were to open carry (and not with proper slinging barrel down) and be shot, perhaps to the extent of killed, by a Carry Concealed user; what becomes of the shooter if their target did not intend to threaten violence purposely or intend to in fact inflict violence? You can see how messy this hypothetical can get…It’s almost as if the regular guy is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Too many differences in opinion, degrees of tolerance, allowances and liberties that create discourse amongst Americans alike. Nothing wrong with liking or owning weapons of varying assortments, but something definately wrong with obscenely “showing off” your toys. I guess privacy and respect are only referred to when one waxes nostalgic anymore.
If someone comes into an establishment with their weapon unslung/unholstered; their immediate actions, thereafter, would determine my actions and those seconds sizing up the threat could mean the difference between dumb and dumber getting a few holes put in them or me giving them a proper verbal beatdown in front of everyone. If a person is carrying in a fashion that is not threatening (my definition of threatening is far different from the anti-gun bedwetters, who feel that just seeing a firearm is enough of a threat), then no harm/no foul and go about your business.
Obviously, these two didn’t get enough “Cowboys and Indians” back in their childhood days
They were probably forced to play-act something PC. like “Native Americans vs. Angry Warmonger Invaders” instead!
That is funny!
Those moth breathers don’t seem to know nor care that the way they’re carrying their rifles could be considered threatening.
I would be compelled to leave any establishment these two “Fucktards” walked into out of fear of being struck by an accidental discharge.
There is a reason for the O4/E8 S3 “Team”.
Somebody has to be able to say “hang on, is really a good idea”, before the Strategic Corporal makes them famous.
Unfortunately, I believe CJ is running this OP on his own.