Kevin Alan Kingham; phony SF, Delta in LA

| February 20, 2014

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Mary sends us her work on Larry Alan Kingman, who someone down in Louisiana discovered at a state VFW conference there. He was suspected, you know, because folks don’t normally wear a triple canopy on their combat patch (right shoulder). Apparently, he was bragging around the conference that he was Ranger (couldn’t remember his class date), Special Forces and Delta. He claims he was in Delta from 1980 – 1995. So here’s his FOIA;

Kingham, Kevin Alan FOIA

And there is the Special Forces Tab, right there. No Ranger Tab, but the SF tab is there. Well, until you look closer at his records;

Kingham, Kevin Alan Assignments1

His 2-1 shows the tab, well, a “Speical” Forces Tab, whatever that is, written in pen on the form. Further examination of his records, show an assignment as a radio repairman in the 7th Group, but there is no indication that he ever attended the Special Forces Qualification Course. There’s no record in the “Education” portion that he attended either Ranger School or SFQC, so Delta is right out.

Kingham, Kevin Alan Assignments 2

Kingham, Kevin Alan Assignments 3

Kingham, Kevin Alan Education

He did rocket to the rank of Specialist in 20 years of Reserve and active service, though.

Category: Phony soldiers

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Stacy0311

Oh he’s 100% no doubt “speical forces”. Speical as in helmet, mouthguard riding the short bus speical.

Frankly Opinionated

This may make for some good humor, a bit wry, but humor nonetheless for a friend of mine who actually WAS SF/Delta within that time frame. I will send him the link.
What a bitch.

nbcguy54

He probably meant he was living in the Delta. Lousiana is considered a delta region of Lower Arkansas (LA).

OIF '06-'07-'08

Wow, with all that and only an E-4!!!!!!!!!!

Frankly Opinionated

Is it Larry or Kevin Alan Kingman? I want to find his facebook page.

Bobo

That is an interesting career. I’m going to guess that he went into the USAR and volunteered for a three year tour in Germany. I’m also going to guess that he had a buddy who was a PAC clerk in his reserve unit who tossed in the SF Tab on his 2-1 for him. I’m sure that the no running or road marching permanent profile made his life in Delta a bitch.

MSGRetired

Why is it the 2 & 2-1 just dont add up to the FOIA Results, not to mention some of the written in items like SF Tab and no school time. Looks like he may have altered some documents prior to discharge. Would be easy to do since he was bouncing back and forth between Reserves and Active.
I wish I was still in contact with friends I had at Bragg. I had one neighbor who was SF and another was Delta. Really a tight knit neighborhood off post at Bragg !

Airborne

It my be time to investigate all the “my buddy was Delta” stories!

MSGRetired

Not for nothing, but every few months all E-4 promotable and above had to sit through the recruitment briefing for SF and Delta. If you were in Division is was a mandatory thing, they wouldnt consider anyone who wasn’t at least a promotable E-4 and you needed to be on a second enlistment if I’m not mistaken.

GDContractor

@5 The last name on the FOIA record and the 2-1 don’t match… neither do they match the name given in the title of this post. I think his last name might actually be Kingham (?)

Ex-PH2

What is this guy’s real name, anyway? On the FOIA form it’s spelled Kinham. On the others, it’s spelled Kingham. And he spells it Kingman.

So, is he using an alias? And if so, why?

A Proud Infidel

DOG TURD!!

GDContractor

There is a Kevin Kingham of Winnsboro, LA. No Facebook that I can find.

Combat Historian

So if he couldn’t run or road march, did he go killing bad guys in Delta while riding in a hoveround?

Hondo

We can rule out SF qual while on active duty 1977-1980. While SF groups of that era did on occasion send folks from their Sig Co to SFQC or folks sometimes went to SFQC as part of their enlistment contract prior to assignment to an SF group, that would show up on his active duty record of assignments and schools. It’s not there, so it didn’t happen that way.

However, it is at least theoretically possible he was assigned to a USAR and/or ARNG SF unit and obtained SF qual that way between 1980 and 1995. We don’t have details of his assignments during that period. If I recall correctly (martinjmpr might be able to add details), I’m pretty sure the USAR and/or ARNG had alternate means of SF qual during that time frame that did not require attendance at SFQC.

His rank (20+ year SPC) and lack of any ARCAMs or AFRMs would argue against that, though. (The former is essentially a GCM for the USAR and ARNG, while the latter also recognizes active participation – e.g., 10 “good” years in a 12-year period.) Ditto the fact that he was discharged vice retired. The first (20 yr SPC) implies he wasn’t exactly “super soldier” material, while the latter two (no ARCAMs or AFRMs, discharge vice retirement) implies he wasn’t exactly a particularly consistent participant in any USAR or ARNG unit(s) during the period 1980-1995.

Bottom line: a legit SF tab may be theoretically possible, but I’d have to see authenticated paperwork to buy it given the rest of his record.

And Delta? Um, NFW.

MGySgtRet

In the words of the late, great Richard Pryor:

“How long, Lord how long, must this bullshit go on!!!”

thebesig

Based on the FOI dates, he has 19 years, 3 months and 9 days total service (active and reserve). I wonder if he’s going around claiming that he’s retired too.

Bobo

Hondo, there was some way for a reserve compo guy to get a legitimate long tab without going to SFQC, and I forgot all about it. When I was on staff at USARCENT, we had a POS USAR AGR in our section, who had been in the USAR for years. Apparently someone at HRC was going through his 201 and found that he has been assigned to one of the USAR SF groups and had met some loophole requirements to be awarded the SF tab without SFQC. He decided to have a ceremony, with the ARCENT CG “awarding” him his tab. The kicker was that my boss at the time had been an 11B in the Ranger Regiment, was commissioned as an 11A, and became an 18A after SFQC. To say that he had a case of the ass to see this guy walking around every day with an SF tab was an understatement.

rb325th

As others pointed out the names do not match.
When names do not match between the records and the person, even though they are close… I think the question is valid if they are for the same person.
Not that I am buying the man in the photographs story at all. Cautious though, because of the different names.

Hondo

rb325th: the name on the FOIA reply will be the name under which the person served. It’s not necessarily the individual’s current legal name.

I know of at least two persons (both now deceased) who served under variant spellings of their original family name.

Hondo

thebesig: yeah, that would explain why the NA 13164 says “discharged” vice “retired”. (smile)

I missed that; thanks for pointing it out.

rb325th

@ Hondo, just want to make sure it is in fact the same person. I have seen numerous cases here where I work of folks having similar names and last 4 getting records crossed, even same names and birthdates and last 4.
Kingman and Kinham are similar but not the same, and I am not seeing anything that said he changed his name or that both names were used in the FOIA. If that is the case, it would be nice to have that clarification. I think it should and needs to be clarified to be honest.

MSGRetired

@8 shoot me an e-mail, more than happy to give name and dates for a FOIA. msgretired2011 at yahoo dot com

Also it could just be a mix up on the name from NPRC, they handle hundreds of requests and may have just missed the spelling.

If he was a Delta guy wouldn’t he have a different patch on the jacket and not a SF patch ?? Might be kind of difficult to find a 1st SFOD-D Patch at the surplus store.

Twist

@9: I had to sit for many of those briefings while I was in the 101st. When I was attached to an ODA team in Iraq my team chief kept trying to get me to go to selection.

Hondo

Jonn: just raising the theoretical possibility. As I said above: based on the rest of his record, I wouldn’t buy it unless I see authenticated documents proving same.

And Delta? No freaking way.

Green Thumb

King Turd.

Green Thumb

Two Good Cookies and an E-4.

Says a lot.

Flagwaver

If someone says they are Delta, they aren’t. Period. End of statement.

Hell, Delta wasn’t an actually unit (officially) until after 9/11 when Bush accidentally outed them during a press conference.

Like Area 51, everyone knew they were there, but the government denied their existence.

And for the record, I’m not an Area 51 conspiracy nut. It’s a frakking R&D base which is why it is so hush-hush not a secret UFO embassy or other horseshite.

MSGRetired

@29 1st SOFD-D has been around since the 70’s and is well known around the Bragg community, at least when I was in Division from 83 to 87 they were. But I do agree if they are bragging that they are they ARENT !

Green Thumb

I wonder if he served with Chuck Norris?

ChipNASA

His new nickname should be Klingon ….not like the Star Trek warriors but the dingleberry things that cling on around your taint area.

tm

@14 Clearly he did all his Delta missions on the super-sekrit squirrel vehicle that later became the Segway.

Devtun

@32

I thought use of “T” word was banned ;)…

Martinjmpr

@15: I was assigned to the 5/19th SFG (CO ARNG) from 1983 to 84 as a PFC working in the PAC section, and then again from 1999 – 2001 as a SSG in the MI Det so I can shed a little light on the RC SF qualification process. Prior to about 1985, when SF became their own branch (18 series CMF), it was not uncommon for support personnel to go through SFQC. Most failed and those that did remained in the headquarters detachment (HHD.) The process at the time was that it took an entire year with AT (annual training – the two-week “summer camp” that most RC troops are required to do) in order to complete it. IIRC the process went like this: You were assessed by your COC, had to pass a PT test with a high minumum score, and of course you had to already be airborne qualified. Then, you went to your first AT which was “phase 1”, the basic patrolling, mini-Ranger school type of training. Following that AT, you would spend the next year training during weekend IET periods as well as completing correspondence courses in your chosen MOS (remember this was before the 18 series MOSs, so if you were training to be a weapons sergeant your MOS was 11b. If you were training to be an engineer sergeant it was 12b or c, etc etc. Commo guys would have been in the 31 series of MOS.) This was “phase II.” After a year of this, assuming you completed everything satisfactorily, you would go to a final AT that was “phase III” the next Summer. Because part of the course was done through correspondence, this was often called the “paper tab.” I was out of the unit by 1985 when the 18 CMF was created, but my understanding is that when that happened, the paper tab/annual training qualification ended and from that point forward, RC soldiers attended the same SFQC that the Active Duty guys did, complete with SFAS at Camp Mackall followed by the SFQC course. I think, – but am not… Read more »

ChipNASA

@34 Devtun

OK….. Grundle

Beretverde

Phony phuck.

Green Thumb

@9.

I was sent to one of those but it was mandatory for new E-5s.