News on the eight remaining female Ranger students
I’ve heard from separate, unrelated sources that none of the eight remaining female Ranger students currently in the course will be advancing to the Mountain Phase. If you follow this blog, you’ll know that I’ve been pulling for at least one female graduate in order to save the course standard from the social engineers.
The fact that there will be female Rangers is not in dispute, Big Army has made up their mind – all of the preparation work that the female students got prior to the beginning of this particular class is proof of that.
I’m hearing that none of the women students had a “go” on either of their patrols and some of them dropped. There may be some recycled students.
I’m sure the social engineers will be celebrating when this news hits the wires. Of course, they’ll have their angry faces on in front of the cameras, but their inner children will be jumping for joy. I’ve already seen them on Facebook asking why the standard should be so high.
Category: Big Army
What are the odds? Hand picked women given special treatment and allowed to observe the course before hand still can not complete the most physically demanding school the military has to offer. Clearly this is rigged, the standards must be reevaluated
Be quite Smitty all you ever did was go to RIP and you cried the whole time. I am the only true Ranger from Perry, OK!
Bunny love is back and still pretending to be a Ranger!
Whatever we all know that I went back in and achieved my dream. You are just a washed up chode whose ass I beat. I never bitched out at reception I had a medical issue got it fixed and then re-enlisted. Smitty get you’re facts straight!
You made up stories about hard drug use so you could get out, that isnt a medical issue. You never went back in, and sure as hell never became a Ranger. as for beating my ass, you must have broken a sweat dreaming that hard. I have near a foot height, 70 lbs, and a shit ton of training on you, but if ya want to deminstrate, just stop hiding from me!
Why do you feel the need to make up fictitious lies? I never claimed hard drug use I had a back injury from the rodeo. Why do you call me bunny love like its a bad thing? I love all animals and creatures is that a bad thing? Also why do you feel the need to slander my name with lies?
HEY Dalton Coldiron, I see you’re still rocking your lies o little booger-eating bedwetting bunny fart-sniffing creampuff of a candyassed Sparkle Pony! Have you gone through your initiation into The Dutch Rudder Gang yet, or have you chickened out of that as well?
When did you have time to do rodeo while getting football scholarship offers from westpoint, being a nationally ranked cross country runner, and a Ranger by the time you were 12? At least you aren’t still trying to pretend to be me. its a step in the right direction
Coldiron, you bunny-sniffing twinkie, if you were EVER in the rodeo, then I have an Olympic goldmedal in figure skating. That picture of the bull rider that you stole? That’s a PRC champ, NOT YOU! Do you think no one can tell the difference, you moron?
I doubt you could have even made it through WAVES boot camp with my bunch of girlie girls in 1967, you lying sack of gopher crap, so jam it right now!
And seriously, when you bitched out in reception before even starting basic, how does that make you anything? You enlisted to be an MP, claimed sf on facebook, and have 3 separate articles on you here!
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=36932
Just for you dumb ass
Smitty, you need to update that:
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=37002
I forgot about that one. I’ve always wondered, and asked him several times, if he buys his own line of bull shit. atleast with this appearance he isn’t spreading his vast knowledge of gay porn with us
Smitty, this is for you. Thought you might get a laugh.
Awesome!
Ooh, a little puss getting bunnyfucked!
Shut up Bitch
Here ya go, “bunny-boi” wannabe:
Bunny boy here seems to have gone to the same school of bravado bullshit as SlUrRpbUsRidEr.
BURN!
Dalton Dickhead you’re the only true Rangerette from anywhere. Remember this as you work out:
http://static.wixstatic.com/media/b0bc8d_e091036b4bd2474e813f772bec5d0db1.jpg?dn=Jiu_Jitsu.jpg
The observers were not allowed to attend the course. The participating students never acted as observers.
If the minimum isn’t good enough, it wouldn’t be the minimum.
Perhaps the dropped Ranger students became the first impregnated Ranger students. That’s to firsts for them.
It’s not enough for you that the women are not good enough to pass the course? They have to be whores, too?
Sapper…now that’s a laugh
Considering that a) one hangs one’s balls on the Tac’s officer wall upon arrival, and b) the girls must have reeked to a really disgusting degree, I find it most improbable that any of them managed to get upgeknocked during the course.
The course was never going to be safe from the “social justice” types. Females were never going to graduate from the actual Ranger course at “acceptable” rates, so the course would have to be “modified”. Don’t kid yourself Jonn, from the moment that sending females to Ranger school came on the agenda the course at it has existed was doomed.
Well, here is the perfect example of the adage, ‘If it ain’t broke, fix it ’til it is!’
More like “Fix it ’til it’s FUBAR!”.
I like the fact that the candidate in the photo shaved her head, so as to be seen as just another candidate. I too hope that the standards are not dropped just so a person can get through. What a kick in the balls that would to all the men that tried and failed to pass.
I don’t mind women in the combat arms, but they will need to carry the same ruck, the same weapons, fight the same battles, in the same manner that the other members of the SPEC OPS community does. If the team has to hold up for one person whether they are man or woman then that compromises the team and the mission.
I hope the women that are trying to do this agree that the standards can’t be waived, because I don’t think they will ever get the respect of the men they command or serve with if they get their scroll or tab in that manner.
If the standards do drop, I hope they drop out in protest.
They made all of the female candidates get the shortest haircut allowed by regulation.
Standards are high, because that is what time has shown to be required. If they want to chase badges, fine but the politically correct crowd needs to understand that the harshest of schools are needed to produce Soldiers capable of fighting and leading others to fight in the harshest of enviroments.
Oh, now, do you REALLY think the PC crowd cares about anything but badges and promotions?
Let’s not compete to win. Let’s level the playing field so that everybody wins.
Yeah, I can get participation ribbons for my cat at CFA cat shows. I have a pile of them. I don’t want participation ribbons. I want the Best Household Pet ribbons that mean FIRST PLACE.
I guess I’m just an old-fashioned kind of girl.
Ok- I can see where this may be going- they all failed patrolling? WHAT female would ever get enough practice or exposure to it to really learn it? You get a little bit of it in most officer courses, but not like in the former combat arms units.
Who would be surprised they’d fail this part?
They teach patrolling at the course, and non combat arms officers pass all the time.
Soldiers also fail to pass Darby all the time. You’ve got to pass 50%, fail the first one and you are sucking wind and much more tired when the second one comes.
As I remember it, patrols in Darby were harder to pass
I think everyone should get their SHIT together and stop running these females down like they were doing something wrong, the less you guys can do is at least give them a little credit for trying to do what the thought was going to help make this a better country. I’ve alway said a womens place was in her home doing what they were born to do, but right now times have changed, and so has our military, so all I can say is to some of you people that do nothing but bitch about or women in service,(SUCK IT UP) AND MOVE ON) we have a hell of a lot more to worry about right now then to run our women servive down.
Sam
Where the tall corn grows
Sam,
We’re not ragging on the women who participated (volunteered or coerced).
We’re ragging on the PC leadership and social scientists and social (not equal) justice crowd that wants to reduce the standards SOOOO LOOOW that eventually women (wymen?) will pass the Ranger course and get tabbed.
When that happens, too many good soldiers (both genders) will get killed in combat situations because of those reduced standards.
For a (bad) example . . have you heard the story of the NY Fire Department (NYFD) cadet that COULD NOT AND DID NOT pass the physical obstacle course — yet was graduated as a fire fighter anyway?? Would you REALLY trust your life to such a person – of either gender – in an emergency situation?
Amen, B. Spot on.
Women can do an awful lot of things. My job is a great example. It’s physical and requires endurance and mental toughness. I’ve seen females go far. Some of the best captains and chiefs I’ve worked for were women. I have successfully taught a 5-foot-nothing, 90-pounds-soaking-wet Chinese chick to drag my 6’1″, 230-pound German-Irish ass through various RIC obstacles, throw ladders and use hydraulic extrication tools that weigh as much as she does, etc. And sometimes, the fact that she’s tiny even by Asian female standards is an advantage. I teach girls to use different techniques than the lads, relying more on leverage than raw strength. She and others are good firefighters.
I’ll be the first to say that at best, I would puss out of Ranger School no more than an hour after breakfast on the first day. I’m a large, strong, and reasonably tough guy, but I ain’t THAT strong or tough. Same goes for BUD/S, Scout/Sniper School, SF Selection, Airborne School, Air Force PJ training, or any other “special” course in the military. They need to be that strong and that tough, because while our enemies might be dumb (YMMV) they are not weak.
Rangers, Infantry, Paratroopers, etc. in the real world of bad guys trying to kill them need to do stuff that I can’t do, do it for LONG periods of time, keep doing it through heat, cold, mud, dust, rain, and snow, even after such basic necessities as toilet paper are a distant memory. The fact that they can do that is the reason for their success. That high standard ensures that they can do that. Take away that high standard, and you take away their ability to succeed.
I’m a fairly average physical specimen, and I can physically overpower probably 80-90% of the women on Earth in close combat (not that I would, but still…). Some would certainly make pay for it more than others, but the fact remains. Any Ranger, PJ, Marine Raider, etc. could kick my ass with ease. Compare Fact A with Fact B.
Social engineering will never trump biology.
I enjoyed what you wrote. Now, I’m going to ask you a question. I’m not trying to bait you or start a fight, I am truly curious how you will answer this. In WWII, the Russians trained female snipers, who served in combat. By all accounts, they did an excellent job as snipers.
Not one of them could pass our modern sniper courses.
Now my question is this: Did sniping become progressively harder as the wars continued on? Or were the courses made unnecessarily hard to make them exclusive? (And I’m not talking about excluding females, since women are not yet being considered for this course. Whatever made this course as hard as it is, had to do with strictly men. So what happened?)
I think the Russians were desperate. I think in their desperation that they did something that they otherwise would not have done-send women into combat.
The blogger “Roissy” talks about what he calls “the fundamental premise”, which is that “sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive”. And the implication of that is that a society can afford to sacrifice males-there are slightly more males born in proportion to females in any event-and sacrifice them even in fairly large numbers in the short term, but not females-and especially not young (fertile) females.
During WWII the Russians thought that their nation might be doomed regardless and sent women off to fight (and let’s not kid ourselves that many Russian soldiers in WWII had extensive training of any kind).
They certainly didn’t continue the practice after the war, which says something.
The Russians were facing annihilation. Total KIAs were about 8.5 million soldiers. When you’re hemorrhaging manpower at that level, you lower the standards. We aren’t facing those circumstances, and we’re not throwing bodies into a meat grinder. Sniping itself didn’t get harder, snipers got better–and nowadays we expect them to survive.
You didn’t ask me, but I have an opinion about it. I understand your point. Russian female snipers killed lots of Wehrmacht soldiers. And they probably couldn’t pass an American sniper course.
In Russia in WWII it was an emergency for the Russians. They took who they could and put them in the line of fire to do their best. Many succeeded. The situation was one born of necessity.
America as overextended as it is, is not in an emergency situation with the horde marching on our cities. We don’t have to press everyone into service for mere survival. We have limited numbers of sniper slots that allow us the luxury of selecting the absolute best through highly selective schools.
The difference is merely the situation. If Mexico or Canada was marching on our cities and our military was in dire straits, you would see a similar situation that Russia had. Good ole boys and girls would become successful snipers without going to any school.
My two cents.
After the war the successful snipers (otherwise known as those who survived) created a course that stressed those things that seemed to work. The British SAS and Ranger school were founded on the same premis.
I have no doubt that a lot of women could and will pass the Army and Marine sniper courses when they are opened up, as the physical portion isn’t the bar to graduation as it is in other schools.
Ditto, on Russia’s use of women in extremis. They had also resorted to this on a smaller scale during the Revolution in the early 20’s, so it wasn’t as foreign a concept to them.
“I have no doubt that a lot of women could and will pass the Army and Marine sniper courses when they are opened up, as the physical portion isn’t the bar to graduation as it is in other schools.”
Really? Might want to re-think that statement. STA Platoon Marines in Infantry Battalions are all studs, not just shooters. Division Sniper School is a bitch, not so much the shooting part but the timed Land Navigation courses, stalking and othe physical parts of it.
While physically demanding, it’s the technical portion of the tasks you cite (note finding the points and getting ID’d during the stalk) result in the vast majority of no go’s.
I would t expect anyone but pt studs in a STA/scout platoon, but they were that way before and likely had to compete for the position. Has nothing to do with the school.
The Land Nav course doubled as an endurance course, it wasnt just trotting around with a compass, a map and canteen. It covered a large area and was done with a combat load.
As far as stalking, its less demanding to run 5 miles then to crawl 500 yards.
There is huge difference between being a sniper and being a member of the Rangers. Just the simple fact that Rangers and other Spec Ops types must carry rucks sometimes weighing over 100 pounds for days on end really rules out the possibility of females doing this job. There are a lot of women who can out shoot men, but this stupid experiment proves that it’s just not physically possible for women to make it through Ranger school without fudging the standards.
Disclaimer: I’m a history nerd, but as previously stated, I have zero experience with this kind of thing. Honestly, I believe that’s an apple-to-oranges comparison. The Red Army in 1941-44 was fighting an invading army on Russian (and Ukrainian, Belorussian, etc) home soil. The Germans pressed their qualitative advantaged almost all the way to Moscow before it got cold. The Russians were desperate and barely holding on with US and British Lend-Lease hardware (their really good homegrown stuff wouldn’t come online until they were driving on Berlin). My understanding of Soviet sniper doctrine of the period is they (both sexes) generally operated fairly close to the front, if not actually in it. A “long range” mission would be no more than a few days. Snipers travelled very light and could often find aid of some kind from Soviet civilians in German/Romanian/Bulgarian/Hun-occupied territory. They were trained to make each shot count as much as possible, hunt high-value targets (kraut field-grade officers if at all possible), usually carried less ammo than the average conscript (if there was any available). Female snipers also were advised to kill themselves rather than surrender to the Germans, for obvious reasons. They were certainly tough, and also effective in the method in which they were employed, but wouldn’t really fit in in the modern US–or Russian–military. And before we put Russkie snipers on too high of a pedestal, remember a Finlander named Simo Häyha AKA The White Death. This one man pinned down entire Red Army divisions, racking up 700 confirmed kills with God-knows-how many unconfirmed. When carpet-bombing the forest didn’t get rid of him, the Reds sent a dozen of their best snipers after him. Though they took half his face off with an AT round, he killed them all. Every last one. And left their bodies where the Russians would find them, and know that The White Death was still hunting them. Russian snipers were terrified of him because he simply stayed out there, taking food and ammo off of dead commies (Finland’s issued rifle was a locally-produced Mosin-Nagant in 7.62x54R). They knew they couldn’t… Read more »
What is “RIC”? Google failed me in this context. I know it as Richmond VA airport. Not trying to be a smart ass…just trying to understand since it has been used a lot recently.
sj, RIC – could be Ranger Indoctrination Course.
Not real sure, so one of the newer troops may have a better grasp.
Rapid Intervention Crew
In English: rescue of downed firefighters. Dragging somebody presumed to be unconscious and incapacitated in full structure gear and BA while remaining flat on the floor, overcoming obstacles, passing through holes breached in walls, that kind of thing. Way harder than it sounds.
I apologize if my “not in the army” POV wasn’t identified.
Whitey…no offense meant. RIC was used in other threads and I simply did not know what you young whipper snappers were using today. That is an acronym I had never heard of.
It’s all fun and games until it’s your turn to hump the 240.
Or be the 240 AG with T&E, tripod, and extra ammo. RTO following close behind.
Darby just sucks, it’s squad patrols so there is limited opportunity for a break from a graded position, security, or movement.
The only good news is that people are relatively fresh.
Roger that. Running on 2 hours of sleep in the last few days while being cold, wet and hungry. Lowering the standard is a bad move that never works. Just look at the public education system, particularly in urban areas. You bring the person to the standard not the standard to the person. Unfortunately, that’s not gonna happen here and standards will be lowered. The gods have spoken.
Lot of conflict on this. I would want my daughter to have the same fantastic opportunities I had in my professional Army career (Ret LTC, SigC). I got shot at in combat with the 82nd and 101st in Dominican Republic and Viet Nam. As I got promoted I became a REMF but on National Guard Evals I saw female soldiers doing the same thing, and better, as their SigC counterparts.But, that’s Signal, not 11B.
But that doesn’t translate to Ranger etc. It keeps getting overlooked as to how many males failed. I barely got through jump school because I sucked at pull ups.
I’m old school and Ranger = Pont du Hoc. But, I’m a dinosaur.
Won’t lowering the standards for entrance into the training just mean more probable failures are allowed to start?
I’ve said it before, if you’re going into that training looking at ‘minimum’ standards, you’re already beat.
Now, when the standards “change” (i.e., plummet), for women, will the SJWs start lobbying for those who “self-identify” as women be evaluated by the new women’s standards?
Frightening thought.
So once again, I ask the question that no one in charge has been willing to answer (MCOE CSM being one of them) ‘How does this make us more combat effective’? If CPT Sarah Cudd is an example of what we can expect, I would say ‘Thanks for playing, here’s your lovely parting gift'(a DD214)
Not one, not ONE of the advocates of this Ass-hattery have given anything CLOSE to a good answer. And while I know it is going to happen (and apparently integration of females in the infantry is going to happen too) because the powers that be have determined it is necessary for the defense of our nation (just like fighting global warming with the army is vital to our national defense). The skewed priorities of the idiots in the five-sided puzzle palace are ridiculous.
Not sure I’m buying that none of them got a “Go” on a patrol. 1st, the Patrols in the Benning Phase are squad level and this is very basic stuff. 2nd, evaluation of patrols is very subjective. Given pressure from big Army, I believe it would be impossible for one of the these folks to get a “no-go” on anything subjective. More likely the 5-miler, the Darby Queen or Land Nav. All of these have black and white standards.
On the other hand, failing one of these mandatory task (at least when I went) got your ass packing the same day.
The patrol grading is very objective. The graded individual either did or did not perform certain tasks and sub-tasks to standard IAW the score sheet.
There are innumerable ways for an individual to fail a patrol. Some examples: not reach the objective on time, get lost, fail to properly cross a danger area, get compromised, not conduct a proper leaders recon, fail to maintain appropriate security.
Yes, there is some subjective stuff and some ranger instructors migh be a little more strict on certain things from time to time (RI roulette), but it’s still by the task, condition, standard scoresheet.
Lots of folks fail patrols at Darby, it happens every cycle. No surprise here.
I wonder how many short dudes like me become Rangers (just to clarify I never was a Ranger nor went to the school).
I mean I would have loved to have tried but sometimes you have to just recognize your skills and weaknesses as a Soldier. I mean I was 5 7 buck 40 when I was in. Not sure I could carry some ox of a dude on my back although I could run fast to get some help.
My ranger buddy was 5’6″ and graduated the school.
I think I’ll let Jonn field that question. He was never a towering man himself but one of the finest Infantrymen I ever knew.
Take it away Stretch 🙂
I’m hoping that someone will say that eight is not a big enough number to go by; let’s get some more data–until the social justice warriors go find somewhere else to play.
It’s not 8. The number is the 160 that were evaluated just for Pre-Ranger. That’s more than sufficient a same size IMHO.
Yeah, I agree; mostly I’m hoping somebody comes up with a plausible excuse to stall.
All BOLO’d before making it to Camp Merrill. These female soldiers were the finest the Army could send. They were prepped like no others and still… they all BOLO’d.
Hats off for them trying…a letter of commendation would be appropriate…a foot in the fourth point of contact is appropriate for those allowing them to try.
As for those who continue the insane claim to open Ranger, SF, SEALs to women… read the definition of delusion and look in the mirror and see the poster boy-girl.
Gum Dagnet!
My calendar hopes have been dashed another year!
Maybe we heard wrong, but the grapevine here at Benning is that all but 3 failed Darby, and those three are heading to Mountain.
Some might be in the Gulag.
It doesn’t mean that those 3 didn’t get peered.
I’d expect a PAO announcement some time today with the number moving forward and those recycle or dropping. I don’t expect any word on peer reports, as is proper.
Feminist “do-gooders” of America, think about why you want female Rangers, and consider this movie scene…..
The German slowly gained the upper hand when exhaustion set in. A drawn bayonet knife was turned around and pointed toward Mellish’s own chest, as the American begged: “Listen to me, listen to me, Stop! Stop!”
The German slowly pushed the knife into Mellish’s chest, whispering something to him about being quiet and giving up since it would be over soon. Mellish’s body shook slightly as his life left him.
The above is the hellish re-creation of the hand to to hand combat scene in “Saving Private Ryan” in which a Waffen-SS trooper and US ARMY RANGER are locked in a kill or be killed struggle. Jump ahead (theoretically) to the year 2022 to the Korean peninsula, the 2/75th is engaged with light infantry elements of the KPA (Korean People’s Army) and when contact is made the two units become engaged in a fierce fire fight. The fighting becomes hand to hand and Spc. Debbie Smith is locked in (hand to hand) with Cpl. Park Sung Ju (male-and the his regiments Taekwon-do instructor) of the 343rd Special Forces Regiment. Thanks to lowered standards for Ranger school Spc. Smith dies so quickly she does not suffer….well it’s only make believe.
Do you read the news at all, dustoff?
Are you even vaguely aware of how many NON-COMBATANT women have been killed by ISIS? Are you remotely aware how many women’s lives were destroyed when Milosevic was rampaging his way through the Balkans with his ‘ethnic cleansing’ campaign? Should I go into how many women were killed by the Japanese during World War II?
Are you actually so self-involved that you think the only people who are killed or assaulted during warfare are men? Are you going to dismss the deaths of women in Vietnam? Or the various Middle East deployments?
Don’t start that crap. Try referring to something besides an overdone dramatic scene from a movie. That is utter twaddle.
The word on Socnet is that all 8 will be recycled directly into Darby with the next class.
In Rangers they’re not just talking about physical extremes. We need also to take into account high than usual intelligence. Thinking on ones feet at a full run. That means having the necessary physical endurance to be able to accomplish THAT part of the mission as well as think quickly at the same time, planning ahead and knowing from where one came, where one is going and what one’s plan is when they get there. I assume these women already met the “think” standards when they were accepted to try out for the course. But if, as we read about the female Captain in the Expert Field Medical training, 12 mile run, when someone gets there they are so done in physically they are looking down the muzzle of their weapon as they use it for a crutch to get up after falling, they will not be of much value to the mission and the enemy still waiting for them. Yes women WILL become Rangers. Of that I have no doubt. This little exercise was just the proof needed for the behind the doors decisions being made to lower or “normalize” the standards so women and yes, even MEN who should not become Rangers will. Men who fail the course under current standards are not Rangers because they could not hack it. That is the whole reason for having these extremely high standards to begin with. If they are going to lower standards to where nearly everyone who tries, passes, both men and women alike, then hell, just hand out a Ranger Tab at the end of Infantry AIT and call it a day and save a hell of a lot of money.
I’m currently stationed at Benning and when news first broke of this yesterday, there was quite the buzz with us Infantry guys. I immediately got on the horn with a few buddies that at 4th RTB. The word I got is that all of them got a no-go for patrols. 2 of the 8 were recommended to be dropped. To be recommended to be dropped from Darby phase, you have to really be ate up and probably peer last in your group as well. Not to mention, the weather for the last 2 weeks here at Benning have been uncharacteristically nice. Not a drop of rain and temps ranging between 60 at night and the highest day time temp being 85. With the heat about to throat punch the south any day now, everything will become exponentially more difficult. If any pass Darby the second go around, I can’t see any way they get through mountains or the death marches they like to send you out on in Florida. The R.I.’s are holding the line for now it seems. How long they can keep it up before big Army intervenes remains to be seen
From Jeff Mellinger, the OFFICIAL UPDATE:
Women in Ranger School update.
Nineteen women started with Class 6-15, which reported on 19 April and started on 20 April. Of these, only 8 made it out of RAP week.
All 8 failed the Darby phase, and all 8 will be recycled. Of these, 6 were boarded and recycled at battalion level. The last two were boarded and recycled at brigade level.
Some were recycled for peer reports, some were for spot reports, some were for patrols, some for more than one reason. Each had at least two patrols.
The 8 (and the very substantial number of males who also failed Darby) will go to the Gulag tomorrow and retrain until next Friday, when they will join Class 7-15 after it completes RAP/ foot march. Class 7-15 reports on 10 May and starts on 11 May. Scheduled graduation is 10 July.
All understood why they failed and are being recycled. What are your questions?
None from my corner of the world, 19Delta.
This part: and the very substantial number of males who also failed Darby – satisfies any questions I might have had.
I’m wondering if Derek Church was there to bury them under it?
Its sounds so “Earth Friendly” Please recycle.
Wow more “shocking news.”
The Gulag survivors will NOT make it to (or past) Merrill. Call me crazy?
End the insanity now. The square peg will NOT fit the round hole unless it is beaten with a mallet (lower/change the standards). This is the BEST women trained-up invited-recruited Army soldiers… and in this arena (SPECOPS) it is another world that 99% of the military CANNOT understand.
Hope, determination and “Kumbayaism” doesn’t change basic biology.
The ruck is a killer and shows no mercy.
If the standard is good enough for the men, it’s good enough for the women. That’s what equality is all about.
Heretic!! Burn the Witch!!
If the standard is aimed at survival, it applies to everyone involved. Period.