On The New Civil War
Battle of Chancellorsville Reenacted
Found this in my inbox, thought I’d pass it along.
Correction. Been brought attention by more than one source this is actually from a speech given by Daniel Greenfield. See the youtube video from ArmyATC, below. I regret the error.
Civil War: How do civil wars happen?
Daniel Greenfield
Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can’t settle the question through elections because they don’t even agree that elections are how you decide who’s in charge. That’s the basic issue here.
Who decides who runs the country?When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country.
When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.
The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election. We all know that.
But it’s not the first time they’ve done this. The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn’t really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election.There’s a pattern here.
What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean?
It means they don’t accept the results of any election that they don’t win.
It means they don’t believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections. That’s a civil war.There’s no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice.
But the Democrats have rejected our system of government.
This isn’t dissent. It’s not disagreement. You can hate the other party. You can think they’re the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election.
When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don’t win, what you want is a dictatorship.
Your very own dictatorship.
The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own.
Whenever Republicans exercise power, it’s inherently illegitimate.
The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do?They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats.
Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can’t scratch his own back without his say so, that’s the civil war.
Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that’s not the system that runs this country. The Democrat’s system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.
If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything. And I mean anything.He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance. He can use the IRS as his own police force and imprison citizens who speak against him.
He can provide guns and money (Fast and Furious) (Iran nuclear deal) to other countries to support his own agenda, and watch while one of America’s Ambassador’s is dragged through the streets and murdered doing nothing to aid our citizens. His power is unlimited.
He’s a dictator.
But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can’t do anything. He isn’t even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented.
A Democrat in the White House has ‘discretion’ to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy.
A Republican doesn’t even have the ‘discretion’ to reverse him. That’s how the game is played That’s how our country is run.
Sad but true, although the left hasn’t yet won that particular fight.
When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren’t even allowed to enforce immigration law.But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws.
Under Obama, a state wasn’t allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission. But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.
The Constitution has something to say about that.Whether it’s Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country.
If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land. This is what I call a moving dictatorship.
Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can’t serve in it, if you’re not a member, and if you haven’t been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals if you aren’t in the club.
And Trump isn’t in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren’t in the club with him.
Now we’re seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them. They spy on them, they investigate them, and they send them to jail.
They use the tools of power to bring them down.
That’s not a free country.
It’s not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an ‘insurance policy’ against Trump winning the election. It’s not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition. It’s not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media. It’s not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn’t supposed to win did.
Have no doubt, we’re in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
Agree or not, the argument is compelling.
Category: 2020 Election, America, Democrats
His mistake is assuming it’s a leftist movement amongst the Democrats. The Democrats of today, the ones actually holding the reigns are centrists plain and simple. One need look no further back than Obama to recognize how inaccurate the claim of being a leftist actually was. Obama promised a Hope and Change system of government to the progressives (leftists if you will) among the party to energize their vote and get them on board. They fell for it so hard they also gave him a supermajority in the House and Senate so Republicans couldn’t stand in their way for this Hope and Change. What did Obama and Biden and the rest do with that supermajority? Did they end the war? Did they close Gitmo? Did they enact Universal Health Care? Of course not, they expanded the bombing war to nations that Bush refused to add to his list of nations being bombed. They didn’t even attempt to close Gitmo after pretending they might move some prisoners around just to keep Republicans scrambling after the wrong issues. And the ACA? Not only was it NOT universal health care it was a gift to insurance companies over a compulsory personal health insurance program. Stock for the health care industry rose rather nicely after this beast passed. The idea that writing laws that benefit the state over the people and corporations over the General Welfare being leftist is one of the best sold pieces of bullshit propaganda in the last 50 years. Obama changed no real policies of his previous 4 administrations. Corporations and one percenters gained significant wealth according to Forbes under his administration while the middle class remained stagnant and the working poor/lower income tiers actually lost ground during his eight years of centrist, corporate government control. Obama and just about every president R or D personify those that Heinlein discussed as wanting to use Government to control your life for your own good, and because they act in the firm belief it is in your best interest for them to control you each and every piece of legislation they look… Read more »
There zero D’s and only a few R’s that I trust anymore.
All the rest are vain, greedy liars.
TL;DR.
And you lost me when you said the modern Democratic Party is centrist.
“And you lost me when you said the Modern Democratic Party is centrist”
Don’t listen to the words, look at what is actually done. The biggest piece of propaganda the Democrats use to neutralize their own progressives is mouthing the words without ever performing the actions.
And every time I ask a proggie to show me how the GOP has gone to the extreme right, I get people doing a carp imitation while they tapdance.
It’s kind of entertaining, in its own way.
Also accurate, both parties are more centrist than not…
How about Donald Trump claiming that he has total authority, or his reference to opposing governors as mutineers?
The Federal government has supremacy when it comes to enforcing states to honor civil rights.
So yeah, he’s right!
Nice try, but what he said was that as president he has total authority.
Brett Bair said it best on Fox- if Obama said the exact same thing your head would have exploded.
You also failed to address my question about the governors mutineers. He also doesn’t seem to get that Captain Bligh was the bad guy.
I find that 93 octane burns the throat less and has a better flavor.
YMMV.
To “reopen the country”? He has near total authority.
That idiotic ” defense production act” is absurdly broad. He can declare just about -anything- “essential” and demand production.
Like web sites dedicated to shaming mil-fakes, or whatever you do for a living.
Or, everything.
He can, stroke of a pen, tell everyone to go back to whatever they were doing. He will likely do it in a structured, thus very court-defensible, way.
And thus put interfering governors in real jeopardy.
And thus dare Congress to repeal that little Law, at the insistence of the Left, likely on 10th amendment grounds. (Too funny! And can’t happen soon enough!)
But until they do, yeah, he can. Just like he goaded GM to make ventilators, that no one seemed to mind.
So, yeah, he can. And if folks try to keep lockdown in place for political reasons, he will. He telegraphed that punch, probably in hopes that sanity prevails.
And the DOJ civil rights enforcers are also just sitting there.
He is already well along a planned action, to which his opponents are saying “WTF just happened?”
I am wondering if he is about to declare -Congress- essential, and if they balk use his Constitutional authority to open Congress, then declare it adjourned when they Balk that.
No? Read it. He does. Oops.
article 2, section 3
He can convene them, absolutely. If they differ, at all, on adjournment, he can act.
Read it.
Cannot agree. That party has gone over the edge into a form of fascist communism. They are the enemy and their actions are clear in their votes. They are galvanized against Trump, and against real Americans. And no, they are no longer Americans except for their physical location. Not anymore. They are the enemy, to be closed with and destroyed before they ruin our nation. Only then will they calm the hell down and perhaps grow up, when they see there are serious consequences to their actions.
You know, when Lars suggested it wouldn’t be such a shame if coronavirus killed a bunch of conservatives, he was rightly pilloried. I don’t see a lot of difference here, except that your words are that of direct action, rather than hoping for nature to do it.
If you think someone who has a different view on how to provide affordable health care is ‘the enemy’, you need to switch to decaf and talk to some sane people whose politics differ from your own. You’d probably find they’re not all that different from you.
There is not a discussion to be had re liberty v. tyranny.
Socialist systems, such as; ‘affordable healthcare’, corporate bailouts, stimuli checks, public sector unions are antithetical to Americanism.
We Americans tolerate these things, but limits have been tested and quite exceeded.
Affordable healthcare is synonymous with tyranny? And, conversely, unaffordable healthcare is synonymous with liberty? That seems strange to me.
But it’s also beside the point. Telling another American who, say, wants to pay hundreds less for an EpiPen, like his friends in Canada do, that he, by wanting affordable healthcare, is an ‘enemy of the people’ and should be ‘closed with and destroyed’ is at best tough-guy chest-thumping devoid of empathy and understanding, and at worst straight up idiocy or psychopathy.
Yes, completely and utterly insane to ask the Free Market to set prices for care. Break out the straightjackets, Boys!
The issue is that the State has interjected itself into the healthcare market, therefor manipulating all prices.
Now, what do you call a system that is by intention, or malfeasance, broken then reconstituted by diktat with the soul intent to gain total control?
If you think that our ‘health care system’ is on any other path than total State control by intentional sabotage, well, your either; a fool, an idiot, or in on it.
An appendectomy for 10 chickens is fucking freedom as long as the Free Market approves.
What we have now…. yeah, I’ll take the Snake Oil and some laudanum.
I am so sick of your lefty progtard BS about “affordable healthcare.” Most everyone in this country had affordable health insurance and healthcare long before your Lightworker, the 0Bamasiah, and his conmen sold the country on his mandatory health insurance law which was specifically designed to fail so it would be replaced by “universal” government provided healthcare like the UK and Canada have. People who had satisfactory health insurance with reasonable incomes suddenly found they lost their doctor and were forced into insurance premiums thousands more per year than what they had, with no choice as to what was covered. In addition these policies had multi-thousand dollar deductibles. There is nothing quite like paying $15K in premiums for insurance with a $7K annual deductible. So much for the “$2500 reduction in family premiums.”
Finally, before 0bamacare, everyone, even illegals, had healthcare via our hospital emergency rooms whenever they wanted it. I saw illegals in those waiting rooms with kids that only had runny noses. Go to an emergency room and claim you are sick and you will see a doctor or a PA, it is the law and has been for long before 0bamacare.
Boy, your hatred of Obama really blinds you to any sensible discussion – I hadn’t specified that the example above required the oh-so-scary socialized medicine. I simply said ‘affordable healthcare’.
Go on, take a look at US healthcare costs as a percentage of GDP over time. Go look at what the US spends on healthcare compared to other countries. Go look at how things like EpiPens cost hundreds of dollars more in the US than they do in Canada, and explain to me why that’s a good thing.
I’ll wait. The simple fact is that someone who thinks that maybe a Democrat has a better idea for tackling that than the Republicans is now an ‘enemy of the people’ to be destroyed by flag-waving patriots is pathetic.
Artifact of government control of the means of production.
Stop drastically monkeying with the market and these absurd result go away.
“Go on, take a look at US healthcare costs as a percentage of GDP over time.”
Gee, I would guess they have gone up, and will continue to do so as long as new drugs, procedures, etc. are developed.
The only way you are going to decrease the cost of health care is to provide less of it. Period.
First off, fascism and communism are ideologically diametrically opposed; you cannot be both at the same time. Do some reading.
Secondly, everything you say here is fundamentally un-American. Ironically, by your own statement you are admitting that you are ‘galvanized’ against people that you deem not to be ‘real’ Americans, who are coincidentally people that don’t align with your views. Sounds kind of fascist to me, but it’s your belief system, so I won’t label it.
Finally, if you close with and destroy the enemy, the really can’t calm down and grow up, which I assume means comply with your dogma, willingly or not.
Your final statement is the most ludicrous. You don’t seem to grasp the fact that there might be consequences from you calling for the violent oppression of roughly 30% of the population simply based on their political views.
Statements like this are simply irresponsible.
Stop tyranting before folks decide “enough” and start watering the Liberty Tree.
He correctly points out the whirlwind the Left is sowing. You cannot complain when the oppressed folks have “enough!” Of Leftist tyrrany by inches.
The Left is wrong, and they are going to learn painfully what real Revolution looks like. Take a step back, eh?
Let folks make their own health choices. And others. Let folks be. Liberty works. Messy Liberty beats the dysfunction of Tyrrany.
You are not acting for other folks good, just your own and for your own desire for power. Turn away.
“First off, fascism and communism are ideologically diametrically opposed; you cannot be both at the same time. Do some reading.”
I hope yo will forgive an unenlightened prole like me, but I don’t give a rat’s ass about the “differences” between fascism and communism. The flags and uniforms may be different, but the camps and the firing squads and the censorship are the same. You intellekshuals can quibble about the nuances all you want; the end result of both is death and destruction..
” violent oppression of roughly 30% of the population simply based on their political views.”
Not me! I want to oppress those folks because they are doing their best to oppress me.
Not trying to be argumentative, but how is anything you wrote about the Democratic Party “centrist?” In my opinion, attacking our rights on a regular basis is not “centrist.” Bowing to corporate interests is not “centrist.” I can see calling them “statist” or “corporatist,” but not centrist. I’m not trying to say that both parties don’t do it, but Democrats are by far (again, in my opinion) worse.
If I may add, what is the definition of “centrist” today? As they slide further to the left, it seems the definition given by Democrats and the media changes to reflect that slide.
I think you meant to reply to VoV’s comment about the Democratic Party? I didn’t make a case one way or the other, I just suggested that maybe language about killing Americans who have different priorities isn’t ideal.
Me personally, I’ve never thought much about whether the Democrats are centrist, though I think VoV has a point about actions vs. words. On some things, often (some) social issues like gay rights, I tend to agree with the Democrats.. but I also find little value in things like safe spaces, white privilege, etc. On other things, like national security, I tend to be more in line with Republicans – at least in principle, if not practice. Eg, the idea of ‘open borders’ is stupid to a staggering degree, and we need border security.. but I don’t have much faith in the wall providing it. To me -and I understand you feel differently- both parties are equally bad at bowing to corporate interests, and so it’s not something I even consider when it comes to voting. I try to look at who I think will do a better job, on more issues I care about, and vote for them – be they a Democrat, Republican, or if I’m incredibly lucky, an independent.
You’re right about both parties being sellouts, LC. I think a lot of us take issue with the idea that’s constantly shoved down our throats by the media that it’s just Republicans who do it, while democrats are the “party of the little guy.”
Republicans who do statist/corporatist bullshit should absolutely have their balls held to the fire, but they will let dems slide for doing the same or worse. It’s way beyond a double standard. I think that’s what has worked and continues to work for Trump: everybody and their dog knows who he is and what he stands for, and has for decades. Whether he wants to be or not, he is extremely transparent. Everyone the dems have run against him have been corrupt two-faced liars, limousine-liberals who made millions or more as elected officials and own multiple mansions yet preach socialism to the rest of us, and Maxine Waters-esque career politicians who’ve been part of their constituents’ problem for decades but blame flyover-state republicans for everything while denying things they themselves said on live TV.
In this scenario take centrist to mean policies that are neither truly conservative or truly liberal. It is not a conservative position to offer the insurance companies the full weight of the government to force people to buy a product, but neither is that a liberal policy. A true conservative would leave the market to fail to provide health care and a true liberal would use the government to provide single payer contributions through an M4A style program.
The Republican party has almost zero actual conservatives these days despite being painted as far right, while the Democrats really haven’t any far left principles either. Republicans in government are comfortable using big government to spy on their fellow Americans, oddly enough Democrats don’t mind that either. Both parties have become fans of big government, perhaps for different reasons but in the end it’s how they actually utilize government versus what is said that matters.
We are quickly approaching a “Totalitarian Democracy” if you will. Where the centrists/statists/corporate interests represent an actual single party of government elites with two factions. As LC points out those factions each have some positive components such as gay rights on one side and secure borders on the other. Beyond that how they actually govern has been beneficial largely to the same group of people, and it isn’t the bulk of us.
The centrists on both sides of the aisle have been very good at creating a beneficial economic climate for a very select group of companies and individuals.
jackboot uniparty
Left boot and Right
Ditto. Their present anointed candidate, the sell-out Quid Pro Joe, says Crypto-commie Bernie is going to be major part of his admin cuz he likes Bernie’s ideas to benefit the FSA.
“Who decides who runs the country?”
Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, Larry Page, and Sergey Brin. And, of course, the Wal-Mart heirs: Rob, Jim, and Alice Walton along with the Koch Brothers (David & Charles).
Careful now, once you look behind the curtain the Emerald City never really looks the same again.
You forgot the Queen, the Pope, the Rothschilds, the Illuminati, and the Reptilian people from planet X.
You forgot the Bilderberg group
The Discordians attack to control the Secret Order of Master Fans using the Biker Gangs.
Illuminati! is a fun game. Especially when the other players are drinking heavily.
The article was misattributed to Dr. Minzey. It was actually a speech given by Daniel Greenfield at the South Carolina Tea Party Convention in 2018.
This link is to Mr. Greenfield’s blog:
https://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2018/01/this-civil-war-my-south-carolina-tea.html
Here’s a link to a video of the speech:
Thanks, corrected.
First issue is take China out of our government
And our freedom of press
Hold people accountable for breaking the law
And let there be sunshine on all actions
And go TR and break up media and tech
Company’s why this hasn’t been done is
Is puzzling
Private property ownership and the rule of law are the secret ingredients of American exceptionalism.
Considering the tariffs I pay each year on what I “own,” it looks more from here as if I am renting everything I “own” from one subdivision or another of government. It really isn’t all that unusual to pay more in taxes on something than it cost to buy it.
Rule of law? Well, that does depend upon how much legal advice you can afford, who is on the bench, and perhaps the phase of the moon. Sounds good in theory, though, and what we have still beats what almost everyone else has. At least our system works some of the time.
Liberty works.
Note that the “socialist” and “independent” in this year’s Donk primary did what one expects of a typically corrupt socialist – drop out and endorse the establishment insider.
Again.
How many of his disciples will get was to the con this time?
Nah.
“Socialism for thee, but not for me” is not an aberration, it is the operative doctrine.
You are only renting your property from your governments. Kelo says if your friendly government can get a higher rent for it from somebody else, you are sol.
So the big igloo is going to be bi-partisan? Maybe even global? Gonna need more ammo or a bunch more rope
“Big igloo” = Boogaloo?
I’m only looking forward to all the side quests.
Best one I’ve seen so far was “Yeet a pedo while wearing clown make-up”
Can’t remember what the reward was
Reward: Faygo and a rusty ax
Achievement unlocked: insanest clown posse?
Sometimes I wonder how I made it to ‘adulthood’.
Refuse to grow up, and you cannot die of old age.
At last count the Washington Attorney General, a George Soros soy boy, had sued the Trump administration 58 times with 22 wins.
Factor in all the other leftist Attorney Generals with their suits and this truly is death by a thousand cuts.
I will say it again. The domestic enemies of this Country will destroy our Republic to maintain their grip on power.
The politicians of all the parties were the cause of the FIRST “Civil War”, and they are now hell bent to cause another one. They are hoping that we will fight amongst one another and not pay attention to what they are doing to further erode our rights.
How has this little introduction to the joys of socialism we’ve had lately felt to you?
The only ‘joy’s I been knowing; the Good Lord put His strength in these hands and His knowledge to grow and gather food on me, the other joy? Let’s just say He’s promised justice and glory, this life or next.
And I’m obliged to take Him up on it.
psalm 144:1…”Blessed be the Lord who teaches my hands for war and my fingers to fight.”
Amen, my friend.
“Send forth lightning and scatter the enemy; shoot your arrows and rout them. Reach down your hand from on high; deliver me and rescue me from the mighty waters, from the hands of foreigners”
Psalm 144: 6-7.
Good call.
^word^ Just cause we may act like heathens don’t mean that we are. Those passages were some of Bobby Lee and Tom Jackson’s most favorite. Were also used by the preacher that convinced Alvin York to lay aside his objector stance and pick up that Springfield.
Jeez, you folks are just begging for a visit from your friendly Dept. of Homeland Security, aren’t you?