Texas Only State That Was Previously a Country?

| July 4, 2019

Copy of the Declaration of Independence. (Blake Barr/Wordpress)

One time on Facebook, I saw a pro Texas meme. It stated, paraphrased, that where the other states were just “land” before becoming a state, Texas was a nation before it became a state.

This was created under the assumption that when 13 colonies declared their independence, via the Declaration of Independence, they were doing so as a single country.

This assumption is based on some misconceptions. One assumption was that these were just colonies in the same sense as they were during the beginning of the colonial period. They did start off as colonial ventures, under a colonial charter, charged with developing and colonizing the land identified by the colonial charter. During this time, one could have argued that this was all just open land.

By the time the “colonies” declared independence, they had evolved into provincial entities with a form of government and even a provincial militia. They still had plenty of “open land”, and continued to carry out their mission, but they had a similar arrangement that Texas had prior to its revolt.

What occurred during the Declaration of Independence?

Thirteen provinces/colonies declared themselves as independent states. “States” had a similar meaning to what we would identify as a “nation-state” today. This was a declaration of 13 individual states.

From the Declaration of Independence:

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.

Thirteen different colonies were speaking as a single voice, collectively declaring each colony as a “state”. They make this clear in the above statement, as opposed to the single entity, State, of Great Britain. This is well before the conclusion of the American Revolution as well as before acceptance of the U.S. Constitution.

Another assumption is that Santa Anna’s authority was “final” with regards to granting independence.

Santa Anna did have plenty of power. However, his granting Texas its independence did not get support back in Mexico. The Mexican government, both politicians and bureaucrats, continued to list Texas as a province in revolt. They also considered California as a province in revolt.

Both Texas and California were operating as independent states until the U.S. annexed Texas, and the U.S. Army arrived in California during the Mexican-American War. Texas, as a republic, was already recognized by the U.S. before annexation.

It wasn’t until the signing of the Treaty concluding the Mexican-American war that the Mexican government stopped considering them as “provinces in revolt”. Both had been ceded, with other territory, to the United States.

Likewise, King George III considered all the colonies as “being in a state of revolt”. Vermont was not one of the 13 that signed the Declaration of Independence. They declared their own independence. So, Texas with its similar evolution as the original 13 plus Vermont, would not be the only state that was previously a “nation” before becoming a state.

Texas did have embassies overseas, made treaties with other countries and Indian tribes, and were in the process of negotiating a treaty by the time the U.S. annexed them into the U.S. During this time; however, Mexico still controlled large areas in Texas.

Texans could argue that Texas went further than most of the others with regards to acting in the capacity of a nation state.  But, it wouldn’t be the only one. Hawaii, previously the Kingdom of Hawaii, accomplished similar activities that a nation would expect to accomplish.

And now you know.

References:

Declaration of Independence

Vermont as “14th Colony”

Hawaii’s Diplomatic Efforts

Texas’s Diplomatic Efforts

 

 

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CDR_D

California actually made a bid to sever from Mexico in the 1830s under Governor Juan Batista Alvarado. The Californios had been Spanish, and did not particularly like Mexico City. When Santa Anna sent Miguel Micheltorena and about 200 Cholos from Mexico to govern the restless province, the Californios along with Americanos under Sutter ran their asses back to Mexico.

SgtBob

If you are looking for a fight, you picked the right subject. Suggest you read T.R. Fehrenbach’s “Lone Star.” And which eventual states were recognized as independent nations? My opinions are stated from the perspective of history, and not just from a man whose ancestors arrived in the Republic of Texas in 1837.

Animal

Good to see your still treating posters like you did 2/17.

If you weren’t trying to start a fight why post it?

11B-Mailclerk

Don’t say truth, because someone might object?

Wrong forum.

Animal

Who said I was objecting?

However, if you’re going to take shots at Texas for no good reason other than to hear himself talk and then dissect someone’s comments to ad nauseum, one might want to grow a little thicker skin when he gets push back.

GDContractor

Hey, at least he didn’t take each sentence, wrap it in quotes, and then issue a 5 paragraph response in blue font to each one… Ending with the Declaration that his opponent has narcissistic personality disorder.

Perhaps he’s evolving?

GDContractor

I’ll spell it out.

You’re a fucking asshole.

“Debating” for 16 years. {insert GOLF CLAP}. During those 16 years, how many times did you go back and edit your words in your “debates”? Judging from the way you “debated” me on Facebook, I’m guessing the answer is 80%. You’re not nearly as smart as you give yourself credit for (a symptom of your NPD, no doubt). You’re a fucking self-inflating blowhard who equates opinion with fact.

But, since you’re an admin here…thank you for your service. Sincerely.

Animal

It was kinda cute when he treated the sock puppets this way. Now that he’s doing it to people who’ve been integral in making this site what it is, it’s not so cute anymore.

Besig if you’re looking for people to tear down in debates you need to stick with your other sites. Unsat to do it to fellow veterans.

GDContractor

He’s a One-trick Pony.

For the record, I never served. Neither have I EVER before said “thank you for your service”.

Animal

The only criticism I’ve made concerning your post was that you were an asshole to 2/17. I’ve neither agreed nor disagreed with your original post because I could care less either way. My comments are aimed only at the way you treat the others that post here. You can claim purely intellectual discussion all you want, but the truth is you get something out of this or you wouldn’t keep doing it. Somewhere in your psyche you have a deficiency that needs to be filled and you do it at the expense of others. The fact that you do it at the expense of fellow veterans is reprehensible. The fact that your now doing it as an admin on this site is just plain rotten. I didn’t know Jonn well, but I don’t think he would’ve let you get away with it. Your excuse that someone treated you badly first makes you sound like someone else that posts here.

I believe 2/17 told you all these things previously, but you didn’t stop for a moment to reflect on whether there may be some nugget of truth in what he said to you.

I’m done with you.

If anybody’s looking for me I’ll be hanging out with 2/17 wherever he went.

11B-Mailclerk

Have you considered that you have exceeded simple courtesy? Doing so greatly reduces persuasion.

GDContractor

#OneTrickPony

Eden

Agreed!

GDContractor

TLDR, but thanks for proving my point again AS TO your status as a one-trick pony. We are all very impressed.

GDContractor

Keep talking.

Animal

“Once I had commanded that information”

I hope you were trying to be funny.

I’m not lamenting anything about 2/17. He’s a big boy and carried his own weight. It doesn’t change the fact that you were an asshole to him. I post rarely and try to be respectful of the long time posters. No longer possible with you.

You know the saying about when perception becomes reality? Whether you meant to or not, you did.

I’ll be honest, I didn’t make it very far into your comments because they make my eye twitch.

I could care less what you’ve done for 16 years on the internet.

rgr769

I think most of what you have argued is correct from a historical standpoint. But Texans tend to have oversized egos. They are quite proud their state was briefly an independent republic. Nothing you can say will sway this emotion. Also, I must say Texas is a very cool state and I would love to live there. Your sin is you have violated their rule: “Don’t mess with Texas.”

GDContractor

I was born and raised in Texas and live there now. I’ll be the first to agree that Texas wasn’t the “only” state to enter the Union that wasn’t previously a country. IL also be the first to agree that besig is a fucking asshole. Now, before you argue with me, I must warn you, I have researched assholes extensively. Rgr769, you are not an asshole. Come on down.

rgr769

Thanks.

GDContractor

What part of “I’ll be the first to agree that Texas wasn’t the “only” state to enter the Union that wasn’t previously a country.” do you not understand (scroll up, genius)?

You’ve been called an asshole before? Really? I’m shocked!

GDContractor

If you think I’m calling you an asshole because we disagree about something Texas, then you’re even stupider than I thought you were…and that’s quite an accomplishment.

OWB

Having done a lot of research means nothing if you continue to draw erroneous conclusions.

Let’s take your original premise: “A big point that I made above is that it would be inaccurate to claim that Texas was the only state that “wasn’t just land like the other states” before becoming a state.” OK. That would be a given. So what? Has someone claimed otherwise? I will grant that just because I have never heard such a claim doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. However, it is not a claim made in the circles I travel, which also proves nothing other than I am surprised that anyone would claim it to be a claim made often enough somewhere by unnamed somebody/ies to warrant this diatribe.

You are either lying or willfully disregarding the simple fact that folks will defend themselves when you throw out unsubstantiated claims that Texans (or someone) are making false claims about Texas and you are NOT picking a fight? Yeah, right.

GDContractor

No blue font? How disappointing….

OWB

No, you are simply wrong. You are arguing something which you didn’t even bother to support by telling us where or why you are arguing the point. To all of us who have never heard the claim you claim was made, your first thing should have been to explain why this was even an issue for you.

Acting like something is common knowledge just because you happened to be somewhere that it was said only makes you sound like a loony lefty. That is exactly how they argue.

To review: You made a point which may or may not be valid (it’s up to YOU to prove that it is) and then feigning outrage that anyone should question your premise, conclusion, methodology or research is questionable at best. Some might even find it silly.

GDContractor

“Some might even find it silly.”

Or, even narcissistic, in fact.

GDContractor

Keep talking.

Eden

You said, “Those who’d want to debate the topic would do so from the standpoint of lacking knowledge of the topic that I posted about.”

That’s not starting a fight??? REALLY??

OWB

It’s a waste of time trying to discern what you are saying because you conveniently change it depending upon how someone responds to your words. Sounds a lot like somebody else’s tactic.

If your postings and comments require a crystal ball and/or tarot cards to guess what you might mean, then most of us are out of luck.

Andy

When you say the US annexed Texas, you make it sound as if Texas did not have a choice in the matter and said annexation was involuntary. Due the extremely bad economics and almost completely broke, Texas went into the US completely voluntarily. And this is coming from a Texan whom has traced his family to the first settlers of Colonial Williamsburg.

5th/77th FA

Big ol’ can of worms here; can be debated/argued till the cows come home, get milked, and bedded down…and taken up the next morning over cat heads with country ham.

Had a supposed ancestor that died at the broken down death trap that the Alamo Mission became. Had some others that were executed at Goliad with Fannin. Were they potential Patriots or just potential land grabbers? One of the requirements for getting land in Texas was becoming a Mexican Citizen and becoming a member of the Catholic Church. Lot’s of fellows took those oaths, knowing, “wink, wink, nod, nod” they had no intention of that being a permanent status. Throw in all the “lawers”, land speculators, and former congress critters that showed up, Stephen Austin, William B. Travis, Sam Houston, David Crockett, James Fannin, James Bowie, et al, and you have the perfect storm potential for revolution. We have to keep in mind that Santa Anna’s Army had been at war for a good while, squashing rebellion in several Mexican States. Washington based politicians looking the other way, remembering how easy it was to “buy” the Louisiana Purchase from France, who had basically stolen all of that from Spain, who had originally stolen/laid claim to lands occupied by Natives.

Even with a border wall, given enough time the Mexicans/Hispanics will, if not own, then at least occupy Texas. Just my opinion! YMMV

ps: The Flag that flew over the Alamo made reference to the Mexican Constitution of 1824. The FIRST Flag of the soon to be declared Republic of Texas was sewn by a young Lady named Joanna Troutman in Knoxville, Crawford County, Georgia and presented to the Georgia Volunteers that died at Goliad. Blue Background and a single white star. This design evolved into the current Lone Star Flag of Texas.

5th/77th FA

Correction on Joanna’s Flag. WHITE Silk Background with a single BLUE Star. Mea culpa. I really need to improve my proof read before I hit post. Sometimes my brain moves a lot faster than my typing…other times, not so much. I still type like an unfried chicken…hunt and peck.

Distracted by the aromas from the Crockett pot.

Eden

All of thebesig’s arguments on this thread: TL;DR. He puts himself out as the “expert” because he’s “researched it”. Whatever.

11B-Mailclerk

What good is all that work, if few read it because of the perception of your delivery?

OWB

Again, you are simply wrong. Writing longer sentences, bigger words, or shouting louder does not make you right or anyone else wrong. If you don’t need affirmation, then keep on doing things exactly as you are doing them and the majority of folks will continue to react to what you write as they currently react. You like being ignored? You find some sort of perverse satisfaction attacking those who disagree with you? You can’t be bothered to read the objections others have of your assumptions?

If you would set aside you ego for a few minutes you might actually learn something from the folks who post around here. Acting like a bully only proves that you are a bully. If/when you are correct you still lost the argument because you acted like a bully instead of a sane person with a valid point of view.

Put in simpler terms, no, none of us has to accept that anything you say is factual, well researched, or in any other way worth our consideration until you make a compelling argument for looking at your side of things. Demanding our attention or respet is the least likely way to get it.

OWB

Blah, blah, blah. More wishful thinking on your part. Thus proving several of my earlier points.

Thank you, besig.

Poetrooper

An Independence Day battle over the issue of sovereignty–how appropriate…

Thunderstixx

Boys, Boys, boys !!!
Behave when you post here, in 100 years nobody will know or even care !!!
Otherwise, you’re going to go see…
“The Penguin” !!!

Eden

“I take sadistic pleasure in arguing”

“Tell that one brain celled activity of yours to quit trying to take you over and to start doing its job so that you don’t post as if a retarded ghost possesses you.”

“There are other things that I do, besides destroying people like you on threads like this.”

This constitutes conduct unbecoming an admin of this site. I never addressed the substance of your argument because I DON’T CARE one way or the other about your topic of debate. I’m addressing your conduct, for which you have ZERO justification. It doesn’t even matter WHAT you’re debating, nor does it matter whether you’re right or wrong. Animal is right–you’re being an asshole. If this is how you treat long-time forum members, most of us veterans, then you dishonor Jonn’s memory and all of the work he put into this site. I, for one, have lost every shred of respect I had for you.

This site is rapidly diminishing as a major voice in the fight against Stolen Valor. If the other admins (Dave Hardin, AW1ED, Ex-PH2, I’m looking at y’all) don’t put a stop to this behavior of yours, then you, thebesig, are going to be left talking to yourself. You will have single-handedly succeeded in doing the one thing that all of the posers on this site combined were never able to do–destroy TAH. Bernath is probably laughing in his grave.

GDContractor

Agreed

OWB

As usual, you completely ignore the primary point of the comment as well as subvert the details. Gee, why am I not surprised.

Eden

You and Lars are cut from the same cloth. If this forum had a twit filter function, you would both be in mine.

You clearly didn’t bother reading, much less heeding, the admonition you received from Dave Hardin.

You didn’t post a rebuttal; you posted a completely unsupported diatribe of blather based in nothing but your own nonsensical fantasies about what I may or may not think. Don’t bother with another so-called “rebuttal”–I’m not going to read it.

Dave Hardin

For the record, thebesig is not an Admin. He merely has the ability to post articles.

I read most everything posted here.

If you don’t like what someone posts…don’t read it or respond to it.

I am the Admin here, but Jonn gave him posting privileges.

I don’t agree with all kinds of things that are posted here, nor do I have to.

Lastly, I have no idea why some people have their panties in a bind over this. I am really sorry, and I do sincerely mean that, but the fucks to which I do not give on this matter cannot be adequately conveyed.

If I am doing something that seems to be pissing everyone off, I tend to reflect more about how I am delivering my message than its accuracy.

It is possible to deliver an unpopular view without alienating your audience, an most often more productive.

Best Regards to All.

Eden

Out of curiosity, who ARE the current admins (besides yourself)? I don’t recall seeing a list.

Dave Hardin

I am he …

Eden

Thanks for the clarification. I had the idea that others (AW1Ed, Ex-PH2, etc.) were admins as well.

Poetrooper

Dave, the crucial thing I’m interested in is whether or not you read my personal message on the “Thursdays are for cooking” segment. Much more crucial than all this sound and fury.

For what it’s worth, thebesig sounds to me like an equally compulsive, albeit conservative, Lars.

Much as I like to write, I simply couldn’t put that many words on the screen in one day.

Dave Hardin

Poor Ed,

I try not to read too much into anyone’s soufflé

streetsweeper

Wait. You can read? Thought youse jarheads had to have crayons and pictures…mwahaha

Dinotanker

LOL! One time in the field I positively amazed an infantry 0-6,that I, a lowly cavalry 0-3 type actually READ!

Am I just being branch centric, or is there some irony there?

GDContractor

Dave Hardin said:

For the record, thebesig is not an Admin. He merely has the ability to post articles.

Well in that case, I retract my niceties.

Poetrooper

Oh boy, now the gloves come off…

SFC D

Time to put your dicks back in your pants, boys. Nobody cares whose is bigger.

A Proud Infidel®™️

Wasn’t Hawaii its own Nation prior to becoming a State?

Ex-PH2

Yes, and it was at one time referred to as the Sandwich Islands by the Brits.

charles w

And the only state that has a royal palace.

Poetrooper

Only if you attribute the same status to the Choctaws, Cherokees, Chickasaws, Creek and Seminole, not to mention the numerous plains and mountain tribes, most if which now bear the formal, if greatly vitiated, designation of “nation.” Hawaiian’s, like North American tribes, were considered aboriginals and not accorded “nation” status until and unless it served the purposes of the American federal government.

I’m a through and through conservative, and no bleeding heart, but having been raised in the former Indian Territory, and spending some of my adult life on and around reservations, I can assure you, no peoples ever got screwed out of their homelands and their way of life any more thoroughly than our North American tribes.

Sadly, their only recourse has been revenge through House Odds.

Sapper3307

Yup, my 14th star was a republic and now a nice beer.

SFC D

My apologies

David

GahDAMN, what a load of verbal diarrhea…

And yes, Texans often say that Texas is the only state to have been a prior country. But what do I know, only been here since ’85.

Andy

That was NOT a post by post rebuttal to Eden. It was a scream at everyone telling us that you are right and no one else has an opinion, especially if it differs from yours. You are the sort that will keep arguing on and on and keep proving to everyone that you are, in fact, an intolerant asshole!

26Limabeans

And here I thought this thread was about Texas.

More like I walked into a bar and some one said “Niagra Falls”………

https://youtu.be/VuBtURtFNX8?t=1

NHSparky

Or a baby nuke walked into The Hub in Idaho Falls back around 1987, sniffed, and hollered, “I smell sheep shit!”

No matter how many times it happened, it never ended well.

SFC D

Never ended well, but always fun to watch from a secure corner table!

Ex-PH2

Or you could do what that witless idjit used to do when he was in the chow hall in Vietnam: stand up in the middle of a meal and yell “Legs Suck!’ just to start a fight. He’s even stupider now.

streetsweeper

You learned, huh? LOL

X-OTM1 (IUSS/SW)

And I heard that Alaska was trying to divide itself in two, just so Texas will be the 3rd largest state. Had a room mate from Houston. You didn’t have to ask where she was from she happily told you, sort of like a naval avaiator.

T1B

Wow…when I started reading this, I thought it was going to be an ‘interesting history’ thread. Boy was I wrong.

streetsweeper

So, besig, this here little goat rope of yours is based upon a made up Texas history meme, that you saw on FB. Then you decide to bring your debate er goat rope, over here, knowing you were going encounter resistance and critical responses to such.

Bear with me… In my time on-line, I’ve known one or two people with vast on-line debating experience. So, I suspect you and myself know each other.and the other party I’m thinking of, lived in upstate New York. That said, lets move along through the haze gray hallway.

Dickweeds, pay attention.

So, doc I’m gonna call you doc, because besig is like dumb. Now, pay attention here because you know I ain’t gonna repeat myself. Okay you know I was an MP. And MP’s are known for what through out both branches of jar heads and grunts? Being nosy and attentive.

Fine, so you found a meme on Texas history to debate, its too bad you didn’t follow through on your supposed research with the official authority (since 1867) of Texas History, the Texas State Historical Association (TSHA). You might have learned something more that you did.

Texas history is also a bit complicated and is why you should have used TSHA. Texas was constituted a Republic
same as California. Nothing to do with the US at the time, though Texas did have representatives in DC.

https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/mzr02

Charles Simmins

Did I miss where Hawaii was mentioned? Perhaps a better claim to nationhood than California.

Ex-PH2
GDContractor

The_blowhard wrote:

Neither you, nor anybody else that I have argued against here, has advanced a valid argument against me.

OK then genius, why did you edit the title of your post several months ago to include the word “conspiracy”? You fucking jackass. You know damn well why you did it. Because SOMEONE ELSE took you to school. And yet, even though you edited your own words in accordance with what THEY pointed out TO YOU, you still fucking argued with them and insulted them…like the good little one-trick pony that you are.

I find it hilarious when you claim that your language and punctuation are used with precision to elicit emotional responses from your “opposition”. If it is so fucking precise, then why are you constantly editing your own shit?

You are the Dunning Kruger Effect, personified. And, congratulations…because of your own words and behavior, you are now equated with Commissar by at least three people here at TAH. That’s quite the fucking accomplishment. My only hope is that you (like Lars) never led men.

GDContractor

Wow. That’s awesome. 27 more pathetic paragraphs of your bloviating bullshit that I won’t read. Keep talking!

GDContractor

Just for posterity, here’s a link to one of The_Blowhard’s greatest hits (which I referenced above).

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=84564#comment-3200437

GDContractor

Yep. You’re an asshole! Confirmed!

Keep talking. You’re wearing me down! Moron.

Animal

You’re still going on about this?

You go back and read your posts and touch yourself don’t you.

GDContractor

Yep, David Carradine style I’m guessing. That whole “sadistic pleasure” thing, and mommy didn’t love him enough.

GDContractor

The_douche_sig said: You, on the other hand, come across as someone that has issues with not getting his way.

And yet, I’m not the one throwing a hissy fit because you’re not putting an “X” in a particular box.

Animal

Are you the one deleting comments?

Animal

thebesig: I’d have to read it first so this is just words to fill in something.

1. Fuck

2. Off

Animal

I do have a question though.

Comments are disappearing on this thread.

You wouldn’t happen to have the ability to delete those comments would you?

GDContractor

I noticed that too. Particularly Eden’s comment: “Um, what dick?”

The_douche_sig probably deleted them. The edit button is his best friend. I went back and checked a Facebook “debate” I had with him and he deleted some of his own comments there too, the pussy.

Animal

And that’s bullshit. That in itself should get your posting privileges revoked.

Eden

I was wondering about that, as well.

GDContractor

Genius that he is, he probably misconstrued your comment to imply that he (The_douche_sig) has no dick. (Hey, if the truth hurts!)

… which reminds me of a Ghostbusters scene.

Animal

I’m not answering your questions dumbass. You’re not very quick are you.

You’re allowed to post stories. You’re not an admin.

Time for your privileges to be revoked. Only admins are supposed to decide who’s comments are appropriate.

Perry Gaskill

So from the choice of graphic we’re all supposed to assume thebesig considers himself the most interesting man in the world?

It also seems to me a fundamental mission of a weblog is to attract and retain readers such those who might donate to the tip jar. It’s not to run them off with abrasive and tedious comment gibberish highlighted in blue. What’s also likely is that the reason others don’t jump in to defend those who don’t agree with you, or Lars, is because they don’t want to get caught up in the tarbaby of your delusions.

I’d also venture that the premise of your original post was a troll intended to pick a fight. What some random and unidentified dipshit said on social media about Texas being the only independent republic is mostly irrelevant. Anybody who knows anything about history would likely say it might be somewhat true but shaded with a certain amount of nuance and context. Which amounts to water off a duck.

Point being the only one creating a straw man argument is you.

If we’re going to have a poll on this stuff, here are the questions I’d like to see answered:

Has thebesig always been a pompous and fatuous asshole? YES [ ] NO [ ]

Is thebesig more crazy than a pet raccoon? YES [ ] NO [ ]

Animal

Has thebesig always been a pompous and fatuous asshole? YES [X ] NO [ ]

Is thebesig more crazy than a pet raccoon? YES [ X] NO [

Animal

Listen master bater, I’m still not reading your responses.

Are you the one deleting comments?

GDContractor

AS TO question #1: Yes, always.

AS TO question #2:
AYE. But raccoons are clever, something the Lars clone lacks.

Perry, I wish you could have seen his drivel regarding the SCOTUS Barnette decision, posted on Facebook. It was absolutely breathtaking in its ignorance. But, he’s done “extensive research” so…he’s right and everyone else is wrong.

You make a salient point about the tip jar. One I had already given some thought to.

This idiot (the_besig) has his own blog. Hopefully he will go there to continue his “sadistic pleasure” of “crushing the opposition”. The only thing his blog lacks is readers. I wonder why….

Animal

Isn’t it ironic that the only response that’s been given in the affirmative in this thread is that you’re an asshole?

Animal

I haven’t read anything you’ve written since the first paragraph of your original post. I just see you’ve posted in the comments and stoke the fire again. Perry hit on a valid point of all this. Two actually, but they both lead to the same thing. Your credibility has taken a serious hit over the last couple of days. Every time someone comments you come right back and show your ass again.

Nobody cares about your original post. It was a silly thread to begin with.

Hey, I’ll even be magnanimous and say you’re the master bater, I mean debater. You’re proving a point, I just don’t think it’s the one you think you are.

Animal

You have no idea how much it warms my heart to be able to type one line after seeing you’ve commented without reading a word of it and know that you spent all that time responding. Priceless.

GDContractor

Animal. Is he wearing you down? 🤣

GDContractor

Wow. That was breathtaking in its stupidity!

Keep talking!

GDContractor

Only 2 paragraph reply? You disappoint me. At least throw in some blue font next time.

GDContractor

Isn’t it ironic that every one paragraph that we post gets a 17 paragraph reply, by the moron that is supposedly “wearing us down”.

Isn’t it ironic that the only little bitch that stomps her feet because we won’t put a check mark in a box is the same little bitch that accuses everyone else of narcicism, anger, and control issues. 🤔

Hey douche-sig, how many people visited your blog today?

OWB

Ironic doesn’t even begin to explain it.

It is truly sad when someone prefers negative attention to no attention at all. Very, very sad.

What are those rules again about editing stuff? I find it pretty much impossible to believe that the originator of this place would permit someone who removes comments he doesn’t like to continue to hold the ability to do so.

Meanwhile, this display of whatever it should properly be called will not result in more respect for the provocateur. Running off long time members and reducing the discussion of even the most benign topics to ego driven tirades is not good for TAH.

Also, my apologies to all for my contribution to feeding the troll. Sometimes you just gotta. (Yeah, it was fun. If the fool had more sense he would see that he was had by multiple commenters. Not possible in his delusional world.)

Eden

It’s hilarious that he apparently believes, (incorrectly, of course) that we are debating his original premise. Most of us have ZERO interest in his original premise (as well as ALL of his “arguments” in defense of that premise). We are all addressing his behavior and treatment of others, which he claims (again, incorrectly) is due only to our refusal to debate him in a way that he deems appropriate. In actual fact, he has been a douchebag from his original article to his last post. He refuses to understand and accept that WE DON’T CARE about his article or his debate. The ONLY reason any of us continue to post on this thread is that we just want him to stop being an asshole. And he thinks we’re the ones with anger issues. What a joke he is.

GDContractor

Keep talking! You’re wearing me down!

Animal

This isn’t your blog. I don’t remember a time when comments have been deleted except for racism, personal information or some other equally heinous reason.

If you want to play God on who posts what you need to go back to your personal blog.

Animal

Every post you make I’m going to make sure I let everyone know you delete posts that you don’t agree with.

You’ve shown your colors.

GDContractor

Yeah right. “Um, what dick?” violated what exactly?

And I don’t think you had a clue AS TO “who it was intended for”.

Eden

This is unacceptable. You can post whatever the admin allows you to post here, but you DON’T get to delete other people’s comments to make it appear that someone else is writing something different from what he/she actually wrote. That’s not debate; it’s dishonesty.

GDContractor

Like I’ve said from the beginning. This clown is nothing without the edit button.

GDContractor

I waiting for him to correct “privity”….

Dave Hardin

I do not “allow” or “disallow” what people can post here.

For the record, anyone of you can post an article here. Pick a topic and write one, I enjoy reading most of them.

I will not stop you from tending to your article that you posted.

I do not support deleting comments as a general rule, but I have deleted some over the years.

I am fairly sure that neither Jonn nor I deleted any comment just because it was critical of our world view.

If I had the slightest clue why people find it necessary to keep this thread alive some of it might make sense.

I just wish more of you would submit articles now and then.

Just try not to piss off the entire community in the process … (hint to some)

GDContractor

Subtlety! Why didn’t I think of that!

GDContractor

And hey, douche_sig. It’s obvious that you spend all day crafting your 1000 word replies, blue font and all; then, you post them ALL at 9pm CDT. Pretty fucking pathetic. 🤣

Cameron Kingsley

Hmm. From my position here in the peanut gallery, I would say this has dragged on long enough.

GDContractor

Keep talking dipshit! You’re wearing me down!

GDContractor

Hey dipshit. I have never tried to debate you here. Just pointing out, as others have, you’re a complete asshole. You’re also a God damned liar who deletes comments. Looking forward to your 17 paragraph nonsensical reply. Pretty blue narcissistic font would be a bonus!

C2Show

This has taken quite the turn. Spent little reading this. Crazy stuff, my two favorite posters GDC and Besig…wow!

USMCMSgt (Ret)

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