The politics of drug prohibition
…or what can we learn from the repeal of alcohol prohibition?
Here’s our Veritas Omnia Vicinit, opining on law makers, the Bill of Rights, and comparing the War on Drugs with Prohibition. Enough from me, here’s VoV..
In an era where many people self medicate themselves legally or illegally, including our fellow veterans, is it worth examining our drug policy and our expectations for the expected benefits of said drug policy? Or, is it time to consider that in a free society, a truly free society, we recognize that what adults do in private with their own bodies is really none of the government’s business?
I tend to view most of my government’s laws with suspicion, largely due to my nature as I never actually believe that any law is enacted solely for my benefit. It’s my view, and the view of countless more well versed social critics past and present, that the government exists mostly to increase its power over its citizens. Consequently all laws passed are simply nothing more than additional layers of control enacted on an ever less free society. Viewed historically our legislators seldom offer up a repeal of an outdated law while considering adding these additional layers of new laws onto the books. The result is often a mish-mash of conflicting laws that create ludicrous situations where pedophiles serve less time than guys smoking weed. Any society that proclaims itself to be concerned about the safety of its citizens should regularly examine the outcomes related to existing laws and proposed laws as the one true law, that of unintended consequences, often thwarts the best of intentions.
Heinlein, Mencken and others warn that most people like to control the lives of their neighbors, it’s a uniquely human condition that based on our belief system we think we have some right to dictate to others how they can conduct themselves in the privacy and sanctity of their home on their property. The influences of men like John Locke, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and Thomas Hobbes on the founders is a well known fact of our nation’s history and the construction of the Constitution by the founders shows much of that influence throughout the document. The warnings of men like Jefferson, Paine, Washington, and Franklin regarding the dangers of government as a body inclined to grow in strength at the expense of the public it was designed to serve are not only no longer taught but mostly forgotten by our fellow Americans these days who wouldn’t know the founders’ version of Liberty if she sat on their faces and wiggled for half an hour. It’s these concepts of liberty that a free people need to consider when formulating policy through their legislators lest they soon find themselves no longer in possession of their nation or their own bodies and property.
Examining the results of our past and current drug and alcohol prohibition one can see, if one is so inclined, a continual erosion of most of the protections offered by the Constitution in the Bill of Rights. The clear infringements on the fourth and fifth amendments in particular should give every American pause. How many states will be affected should Timbs vs Indiana finally rectify seizure without just compensation? Asset forfeiture in drug cases often without due process should have been held unconstitutional decades ago, that we’ve come this far into the drug war without a significant finding by the SCOTUS tells us much about how the government operates in restricting your rights as Americans. If the government feels it can restrict your fourth, fifth, and even the fourteenth as is being argued in Timbs you can bet they will find a clear reason to infringe your first and second amendment rights without hesitation.
Looping back to the drug war, besides losing some basic Bill of Rights protections what have we gained from the drug war? According to the government’s own sources in the DEA and reporting to the FBI by local enforcement arms the drug war fails miserably at actually stopping drugs. Our own government reporting suggests for every pound, kilo, or ton of drugs seized ten times that amount manages to get through their enforcement actions. So we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year in a failed attempt to stop drug lords from making tens of billions of dollars. It’s interesting to note that in a nation that prides itself on the intellectual superiority of its researchers at universities across the nation that our approach to limiting drug use is largely focused on militarizing the police and DEA rather than researching options that might actually prove more successful than our current one in ten success rate at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars.
Based on the current results of the drug war there’s a decent argument to be made that the largest beneficiaries of the current policy are the drug lords who pay only a ten percent cost of doing business while avoiding the costs of regulations and quality control that all legal drug providers are bound by in the production of their products. No wonder it’s worth losing tons of drugs crossing the border as it’s a mostly net profit proposition for them. Thanks to that prohibition they can keep prices higher than legitimate competition would allow and settle their differences with gunfire in the streets instead of lawyers in courtrooms.
Another group benefitting nicely from the drug war, private prison companies. More people in jail makes for more profit in the private prison business. From 1968-1992 government data indicates we increased drug related arrests from 200,000 six fold to 1,200,000 with an average of 400,000 of those arrest for the deadly marijuana and most of those marijuana arrests for possession. So our police departments utilize almost half their resources to jail those public safety menaces known as stoners. I certainly feel safer knowing the kid next door smoking dope in mom’s basement is locked up and mom might lose her house to asset forfeiture for some weed. Who cares about those pesky pedophiles when you can jail a stoner instead?
It’s time we considered whether the supposed benefits of a drug war with ever more militarized police using ever more military style tactics on civilians at a cost of hundreds of billions is worth the effort. If it is I would be surprised, a more intelligent and freedom oriented approach is to research our options and consider reducing the government’s ability to increase its power over us by legalizing some substances or decriminalizing them so we can move forward with treating addicts like we treat alcoholics and de-stigmatizing the treatment process.
Why do I think this matters to veterans? Why should we as veterans even give a shit about the drug war? There are several reasons that come to mind, but some of the basics for me are simple. There is a study currently underway as to the benefits of marijuana versus opioids and other drugs in the treatment of PTSD in veterans, the calming effects of marijuana for some people are well known to the medical community but the usefulness in PTSD treatment has been limited to anecdotal evidence to date. Limiting the drug war allows research in many of these areas to be conducted without fear of prosecution or loss of federal funding for universities. We owe those in our community a commitment to finding the best protocols for treating PTSD right along with bodily injuries in the most efficient and effective manner possible. A comprehensive drug reform policy goes a long way in allowing that commitment to come to fruition. In my opinion that makes the drug war as open for discussion as the GWOT or any other veteran related issue of the day.
When alcohol prohibition ended an interesting thing happened, machine gun wars in the streets over booze disappeared. A corresponding drop in cirrhosis was also noticed by the medical community. The reason for that health benefit was simple, during prohibition concentrated alcohol bottles were much easier to conceal and smuggle so people ended up drinking far more potent alcohol than they would have chosen on their own given options as consumers to choose those alternate beverages. As prohibition ended consumption of beer and wine increased and hard liquor declined dramatically. People wanted to feel inebriated but far less so than prohibition had allowed. Drugs work the same way, we see it now with the addition of fentanyl into the mix. Concentrated smaller quantities, deadlier in fact, are much easier to hide and smuggle in. If consumers had options I suspect a similar effect on consumption would take place.
People will ruin their lives regardless of the law, our decision is to how we as a society wish to approach that. I will once again go with Jefferson, without a victim there’s no crime. Get drunk every day in your house there’s no issue, drive drunk or steal my shit to finance your drinking and now you’ve crossed a line. If my property and my person are untouched by your personal behavior the government and everyone else should stay the hell out of your affairs in a truly free society.
I expect little agreement as we’ve been so conditioned to accept that the government should have total control over our lives we believe the world as we know it will end if adults are allowed to abuse themselves however they like on their own property.
Thanks for reading,
VoV
Thank you, VoV. I have my own opinion on the matter, but this is for our readers to comment on.
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Good song on what the youth does now, but also a lot of us veterans
People don’t want to do the work required to keep their kids off drugs and alcohol. They want it done for them.
Therefore, since kids are now vaping, another piece of legislation goes into place prohibiting selling that stuff to kids under a specific age, which will simply make them steal it, just like stealing Dad’s cigarettes and beer off the kitchen table.
Not the FIRST time I’ve agreed with you VoV. Won’t be the last time either.
You are correct that none of these laws has slowed down the importation of all of these drugs. I’ve said for years, take the profit motive out, and save the taxpayers billions. How much of our current national debt is due to spending this money on a bottomless pit. Just as criminals will get gunz in spite of gun laws, junkies going to get their dope.
You cannot legislate social behavior….Period… As long as you keep your crap away from me and mine, I don’t give a rats ass what you do at home. When you bring your crap out into the public, then you can pay a heavy price for you dumbassery.
When our Mother was dying from a brain tumor, the only thing that was giving her relief were the pot brownies that were made for her. She had no idea what was in them. A good Christian woman who had never smoked, drank, or taken any drugs that were not prescribed by a doctor. The narcotics were not doing her any good at all. She died peacefully, not aware that she was stoned.
I look forward to reading the comment on this one.
As always Jefferson’s words work for me in this situation…
Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.
A dangerous freedom is far preferable than a peaceful slavery to paraphrase a bit…
You are not wrong in any of what you said, people will seek to get high regardless of our laws. People will do things others consider dangerous regardless of our laws.
Even in our military where adultery is illegal it doesn’t stop people from fucking the spouses of other military members and ruining their careers.
We are better off legislating the results of behavior where property or persons are damaged/injured. The problem with trying to dictate personal responsibility is that it’s a waste of time, and if we are to be truly free we need to consider what do we want to spend our money and resources on? What hurts society more, someone getting high at home or someone raping kids or women, murderers or armed robbers? We don’t need more laws we need more people who understand it’s not their business to try to control anyone but themselves.
Usual conflation of “war on drugs” with marijuana use. You want drivers on LSD on your street? People dying from legal crack and heroin? (Oh, and the ‘as long as it doesn’t affect me’ is a great justification for abortion as a means of birth control!) Sorry, sir, you may have an argument for limited recreational pot use, but not for general drug war cessation. Some folks NEED some form of regulation.
Conflation? Not so much…I’m thinking all drugs should be decriminalized and because “as long as it doesn’t affect me” is exactly how Jefferson phrased it I think it’s more in line with the founders.
Some folks don’t like freedom, they much prefer the government telling them when they are allowed to keep a vehicle in their driveway, when it’s okay to collect rainwater, when it’s okay to own a firearm and when it’s okay to speak. The drug war has given the government a great deal of control over your life in ways that may not have affected you today, but have limited your rights.
Obviously that sounds good to you, for me it’s problematic.
I wonder what Jefferson would have said about fentanyl, meth, and cocaine at the levels used today, considering two of the three didn’t exist in his day, to say nothing of LSD, etc.
That sounds suspiciously like the argument the anti-gun folks use to restrict firearms. “The Founders couldn’t foresee the firepower that would be available to the average citizen today. Therefore we can ban them and imprison those who own such weapons of war.”
He is saying, keep it illegal to drive stoned, which does impact you and others, but decriminalize being stoned on your couch, which does not.
You suffer no harm from the drunk or druggie passed out on his couch, unless you stick your nose in his life. That nose-insertion would be your fault, not his.
Tyrants -need- regulated. The rest of us do not. No force on earth stops the drunkard or druggie, not even the law, unless and until those wracked souls -ask- for help, and -want- help.
There is a booming trade in all sorts of illegal recreational drugs -inside- our prisons. Tell me how your law will stop -that- eh?
Your argument is exactly the one used by every “for your own good” two-bit hustler.
Your “war” has accomplished exactly no good, and created -multiple- hundred-billion-dollar crime cartels that have destroyed millions of lives and destroyed dozens of nations. And yet, despite all the blood and treasure pissed away, the drug wars are abject failures at stopping (some) drugs.
“More and harder” doesn’t work for socialism, nor prohibition.
We can’t keep the crap out of -supermax- prisons. That right there is a huge red flag that more-harder is not the answer.
Then let’s stop coddling people who commit crimes (theft, assault, etc.) to support their habits.
Drug diversion programs are a fucking joke. Don’t arrest someone for being stoned at home? Fine, I get that. Drive stoned or get caught robbing someone’s home for the cash? Prepare to get your dick hammered flat.
And don’t get me started on getting minors addicted. That’s death by unga-bunga territory right there.
And all of what you write fits nicely into my thought process.
I don’t care what you do on your property, be gay, be stoned, be stupid, be adventurous, be whatever the fuck you want.
Once you cross the line into damaging my property (theft, actual destruction of property, etc…) or my person (robbery, assault, murder, etc…) I harbor no sympathy for you.
I think my posts detailing how many people would be dead if I were allowed to sentence people to death should be well known by now (think in terms of only needing minimum security prisons when I’m done) so I can easily get on board with a law that says do the drugs you want in your home, ruin your life that’s all good with us. Get a kid addicted, accidentally kill someone and we will hang you in public so everyone can watch you twitch and shit your pants before we dump your body at sea for the fish to eat.
First, you are nothing if not consistent, VOV. Second, I also admire your willingness to broach topics such as this. My only contribution, at least for the moment, is to state that the illicit drug trade is big business, as is the legal drug trade. Distributors, sellers big and small, and buyers all contribute to the trade. The illicit side also produces job security for police, prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges, bailiffs, and institutional, as well as community, corrections personnel, gun and ammo producers, recovery centers, morticians, medical personnel, and those who make the bongs, needles, syringes, rolling paper, itty-bitty baggies and what not. My question is, can the economy survive the decriminalization of drugs now illegal?
Pfizer would love to sell you legal, and probably far safer drugs than the Colombians are currently selling.
I’m not certain I’m there so much as I am in favor of at least decriminalizing it so we can start considering it a public health issue.
Opioid over prescription and subsequent massive restriction has led to an increase in heroin purchases. The government is nothing if not complicit on both ends of that scale. Someone abusing pain meds needs treatment, jail does what for them exactly? Also jailing them does what for society exactly?
Now you have someone who has a record, probably lost their job and won’t have an easy time of finding another and we’ve offered no treatment or solution. How does that benefit you and I as taxpayers?
Imagine instead they are treated, become sober again and never lose their job or house or family. The benefit to the rest of us is rather clear and obvious. Another taxpayer remains on the rolls to help pay for all the illegals and non-working clowns we currently support. I’d like to not add to that morass if we don’t have to.
-China- isn’t ruthless enough to snuff out -their- drug culture. That right there is a big red flag. And they have been trying to snuff opiate abuse for several centuries.
Wrong -methods-. Wrong -goal-.
Has to be addressed from the demand side. Fear hasn’t worked on that end, either. Time to change, big time.
Stop resuscitation of people having multiple OD’s. One and done.
If you didn’t learn the first time….
“The illicit side also produces job security for police, prosecutors, defense attorneys, judges, bailiffs, and institutional…”
2/17 you’ve nicely summarized one of my greatest financial fears…the ability to continue to afford to pay for their job security. Here in the PDR of Taxachusetts my locality boasts inflated home values along with high property taxes. Many locals are being squeezed out by the high property taxes or apartment rental costs. Wealthy purchasers from NY/NJ buying second homes also drives market values higher.
My town is now planning to build a new high school so I’m bracing for higher taxes because the Commonwealth will fund only 54% of the project. Add to this, Taxachusetts imposes a flat 5.1% state income tax.
I’ve convinced my spousal unit to sell our paid off home NLT the fall of 2020. We’re still deciding where to land but North Carolina is a strong contender. I know death and taxes are certainties yet I remain hopeful that taxes don’t actually cause my death!
CCR,
Check out northern Alabama. Not too far South of the river, up to and including southern TN.
Property taxes are next to nothing (I owned a 1600 sf brand new, first time owner) $704 per year.
I lived in Madison at the time. Worked on base at Redstone (contractor).
We had a utility bill (electric, gas, water, trash, sewer). It never exceeded $150 per month.
I pay more than that now, smaller place, property taxed crazy….living back in TX.
PLUS the whole time I was in AL the only thing I paid state income tax on was my contractor earnings (all retirement income is not taxed). But at the end of the year I’d get about 70 to 75% of what I had paid in state taxes back.
Plus, northern AL is beautiful country. Summers sometimes get a little warm during the day, but night temps would drop to mid 50s to low 60s.
Going back in 2 or 3 years when I fully retire.
Appreciate the tip Navy EOD. I spent a few months in both AL and MS and always thought either state would be an affordable retirement destination. My spousal unit is a born and bred New Englander. Anywhere south of the Mason-Dixon Line is like visiting a foreign country in her mind.
NC is a compromise location since she prefers Virginia while I like the Deep South. The low taxes and utility costs you mention are almost incomprehensible. Retirement income free of taxation in AL is reason enough to move there. Plus I’m a ‘Bama fan – RTR! Can’t wait to hit I-95 southbound next year.
Parts of NC are deep blue, mostly around Raleigh-Durham area, and Asheville out west. Check too the new firearms laws coming up as well- not so good. Shame too, Asheville is in really a beautiful area.
My question is how may more meth-heads and other flavors of dope addicts do we want living on our streets. We already have the situation where one can’t walk down some streets in the San Fransicko and other cities without stepping in human excrement or past injection needles?