Army Releases Deploy-or-Out Rules for Administratively Sidelined Troops
13 Nov 2018 – Military.com | By Matthew Cox
The U.S. Army today publicly released its new policy for dealing with soldiers who are non-deployable for administrative reasons, just over a month after the Pentagon’s new deploy-or-out policy took effect Oct. 1.
“Soldiers who are non-deployable for an administrative reason … for more than six consecutive months, or six non-consecutive months in a 12-month period, will be processed for administrative separation,” according to the new policy dated Nov. 8.
The Army has finally defined in writing what it takes to be deployable: From the article:
“To be considered deployable, a soldier in the active, National Guard and Reserve must be:
– Administratively, legally and medically cleared for employment in any environment in which the Army is operating or could operate.
– Able to operate in austere areas or areas that regularly experience significant environmental conditions such as heat, cold or altitude that could exacerbate medical conditions.
– Able to carry and employ an assigned weapon.
– Capable of executing individual warrior tasks for his or her assigned mission.
– Able to operate while wearing body armor, helmet, eye protection, gloves and chemical or biological protective equipment.
– Capable of passing the Army physical fitness test or meeting the physical demands or tasks required for a specific deployment.”
Looks like you’d better put down that bottle of 33 Beer. You’re gonna have to hump that ruck in the boonies, whether you like it or not. Oh, wait – that’s a different century. My bad. Sorry!
The full story is here: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2018/11/13/army-releases-deploy-or-out-rules-administratively-sidelined-troops.html
Category: Army News
Lets see pacemakers, heart stents, C-paps, HIV, HEPc you go BYBY.
Fat females who are still carrying 50 extra pounds from the kids they manage to download every time they’re for sea duty and can’t pass the body fat standards AND make Chief.
Do I sound bitter?
I never got to be on a ship. You think you’re bitter? I missed all that hazing, all that grab-this & that, all that obnoxious stuff that happens….
PH: If you want someone to grab this or that, I am available. (Screams and runs like a little girl as the Russian goes ballistic.)
All I’m going to say, Chief, is that I didn’t join the Navy (twice) to sit on my chair at a desk or in the darkroom or at a Moveiola while other people were off in some Godforsaken furrin country getting their stuff all shot up.
Ex-PH2 yes but sometimes that is what the Navy decides you need to do! The Army just decided we can’t pick our assignments anymore…you have to be ready to do them all.
I am just wondering if “run at your own pace” is acceptable or will the deployment folks say that means I can’t deploy!
I’ve met more than a few “Sailors” who were proud that they had never even seen a ship in the flesh. Why would they join if that’s their attitude? I couldn’t wait to go to sea.
My first tour I was landlocked until the bosses got tired of me asking for sea duty. I’m not saying that everyone should be that gung ho, but if you don’t want to or can’t deploy, then it’s time to find another line of work. No hard feelings. Just move on.
I was a Fleet Marine Force Corpman. I never got orders to a ship. Every one of my deployments began began with the Air Wing taking us somewhere to grab a transport to beefjerkystan or some other shithole.
I never envied the floaties with their clean racks and soft serve ice cream machines.
I meant to say fleeties.
We had clean racks?
We had ice cream?
Those fucking lying recruiters!
That never ceases to piss me off. On my first boat (new construction SSN–a billion years ago), when I was the MDIV DIVO, my MMC was fond of telling the folks who were bitching about getting underway, “Sailors go on ships, and ships go to sea.” I never (in almost 30 years now) understood why someone would join the Navy to not go to sea…
Me neither. It’s why I 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯’𝘵 join the Navy. 🙂
Me too. I always figured if something bad happened I could walk (or run) farther and longer than I could swim. Having seen berthing compartments on the ships my father was on reinforced that attitude.
12 years in. 2 in the nuke pipeline, 2 years recruiting at the end.
The 8 years in the middle was at sea or at school between commands.
Come on now, there are whole communities in the Navy that do not/will never go on a ship. Last time I checked, there weren’t any orders for a UT on CMSID to the USS Fillintheblank. Pretty sure I’m still a Sailor even though in 17 years I’ve never set foot on a ship.
“Soldiers who are non-deployable for an administrative reason … for more than six consecutive months, or six non-consecutive months in a 12-month period….”
So, six consecutive months is okay. Six months and one day is not okay. So, you’re good if six on, six off, six on, six off, six on, and so on, but you are not okay if in any 12 months you are two on, two off, two on, two off, and two on, two off, or any other combo except six on and six off that totals six off in any 12 month reckoning period. Got it. Very beatable.
2/17 with that E4 Mafia Jedi mind trick. The Force is strong with you. Kudos.
They had to leave an out/wiggle room for those SJWs that only joined for the “benefits”. 2/17 Air Cav has a franchise lock on this key. He intends to sell this program to the SJWs that aren’t smart enough to figure it out for themselves. This is his supplemental retirement program. You have to be former Army (Beat Navy) Enlisted to know these things.
Fat females who are still carrying 50 extra pounds from the kids they manage to download every time they’re for sea duty and can’t pass the body fat standards AND make Chief.
Do I sound bitter?
Twice as bitter, it was worth repeating! 😉 I’ve seen the same thing in the Army.
Does this mean that the females can’t use getting nocked up to avoid deployment anymore?
Bitter? You’re bitter?
“Oh, this isn’t World War II. They don’t send WAVES overseas now.”
Finally.
Sounds like anyone E-6 and below, any one Major or below (unless you are a good ass kisser) are all that are at risk, course you also have to consider in some cases sex and race as to lawyer initiated law suits. Would be kinda nice to see some of those superior desk huggers serve in combat, yeah like that is going to happen, hey stupid the bullet comes out that end, turn the gun around.
I don’t think it is going to happen in the long run. As soon as they start handing out waivers the EO complaints are going to pile up like porty potty deposits that haven’t been emptied in a month. Good on them for trying but it will never happen for reals. It won’t stop the S1 big mama with seven anti-deployment kids from seven different daddies either. Getting knocked up is a totally legit medical reason to be put on rear-d.
Did not want to deploy to the Viet of the Nam.
Germany was great. Isolated commo site wearing civies. No officers except on payday. Local wine and women.
Then orders to deploy Roy.
Either do it or get the hell out.
Same here. I tried to claim PreTSD but they wouldn’t buy it.
I was running an M-16 range in 2007, pre-deployment qualifying. I had a young hard charging PFC working his ass off keeping weapons organized as various companies came onto the range. He was catching some heat from folks that weren’t big on the idea of following directions from a PFC, and getting a little frustrated. During a break, he says “SFC D, if these people don’t start listening, I’m gonna develop pre-traumatic stress disorder, have a flash-forward, and slap the shit out of somebody!”
Funny that we didn’t want to be there and yet some of the higher ups that weren’t stationed there always got orders to come there for the amount of days required to draw combat pay, sit in the base clubs and stay in Saigon hotel and then leave as soon as they qualified for the extra pay.
In July, 1971 we had an influx of Pentagon pogues in RVN. They were rushing in to get their combat zone ticket punched before the war was over for us. Most useless bunch of career REMF officers and NCO’s I ever experienced.
Should have enacted Operation Human Shield and put them to use. 😉
(Hands chopsticks)
Sirs, those are you mine-clearing probes. Now head over to that white engineer tape with the “mines” sign and….
Problem is, big fat worthless bureaucracies like Army Human Resources Command are the ones who will track that and their own people will ALWAYS meet the deployability requirements, but never have to worry about getting deployed.
They can push this all they want, but the dirtbags in dirtbag places already know how to beat the system.
“Oh sure, I am deployable. BUT, I never get the chance darn it. I’m stuck here doing 9-5 for 20 years. Ah well…..Have fun over there in that dirty nasty rough place. Sorry, gotta go take my new DA Photo for the Sergeant Major Academy (E-9) Board.”
MSG Eric, It is just a pre-positioning of the required speak to shit-can someone for malingering. The Army will only use it to speed the process of pushing the deployment dodgers out the door. I’m sure there will be a few that will use it judiciously to get rid of folks that have legitimate issues that need addressing, but then they probably should not be in the Army any more anyway.
I kept trying to get my profile fixed to identify what I could and could not do, after several deployments made my back worse. I even asked for an MMRB because they kept telling me it was required, just so I could deploy again. In the end it was my senior rater telling me I would not be recommended to command a battalion because I could not lead the troops in a run (I could it just aggrivated my spinal problems so the doctors recommeded I avoid it and stick to biking and ruck marching…I can speed walk at 10.30/mile all day) that got me out the door.
Since 2002 I’ve been mobilized for over seven years (about one year out of every three), but have not been in any unit going to theater. My last mobilization was in a pre-deployment evaluation mission for battalions from the Guard and Reserves.
The last unit I did evaluate on had all but one officer (the PA) and two NCO’s who’s circumference did not come close to their height. They all passed the APFT and had passing 5500’s
I fully support this effort but don’t see much hope for change. I have more hope for the new physical test than this.
I remember the first time they did this as reported for eval and all the medical staff that were on duty there in case of emergency were about as round as they were tall and a couple years later when I was discharged the nurse there was also very round, they must not include medical staff to same criteria as the rest of the personal. Also seems to be same in civilian life as a lot of nursing personal who are responsible for anyone’s health are usually bigger around than those of us they deride as to being overweight.