Synagogue mass shooting in Pittsburgh
There has been a mass shooting at a synagogue in the Squirrel Hill section of Pittsburgh.
There are eleven dead and six injured, including four LEOs, and the shooter is in custody.
Pittsburgh Public Safety Director Wendell Hissrich said police were dispatched to Tree of Life Synagogue at 9:55 a.m. after receiving calls that there was an active-shooter situation at the scene, in the city’s predominantly Jewish Squirrel Hill neighborhood.
Law enforcement officials identified the suspect in the shooting as Robert Bowers, 48.
The FBI special agent in charge of the Pittsburgh office, Bob Jones, said that it was the most “horrific crime scene” he’s witnessed in his 22 year-career with the bureau. Jones said that the victims were targeted “simply because of their faith” but that Bowers’ full motive was unknown.
Bowers is said to have shouted that “all Jews must die” as he sprayed bullets, according to KDKA-TV. The attack took place during a baby naming ceremony on Shabbat, what is traditionally the busiest of days for synagogues.
Just reported, he used an AR-15 in his attack on essentially a gun-free zone. He surrendered to LEOs only after he was shot several times; the only saving grace is no children were among the victims. Thoughts and prayers to the victims of this horrific attack, and standing by for the ghouls to start their inevitable dance in the blood of the innocents.
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Nothing does or can justify the killing of people like this. No punishment could be harsh enough for this disgrace of a man.
Few people on earth disagree with religions of all kinds more than I do…I could not condemn this kind of violence in strong enough terms.
Can we draw and quarter the SOB?
That would be too easy.
Da Nang Dick has already opened his pie hole about more draconian gun banning; it’s his standard shtick after every mass shooting…
FUCK. HIM.
FWIW: this guy was apparently an anti-Semitic idiot and an anti-Jewish bigot. He also made anti-Trump statements in the past, referring to Trump as a “globalist, not a nationalist”; and claims he did not vote for Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/27/us/synagogue-attack-suspect-robert-bowers-profile/index.html
The IDIOT says he blames the Jews for the invaders!! How freaking stupid can they get, I think this is another false flag put up by the dumocraps!
False flag? Eleven innocent people are dead. Knock of the ridiculous and baseless conspiracy bullshit. It dishonors victims and these kinds of conspiracies cause nutcase conspiracy believers to threaten and harass survivors and victims’ families because dimwits think they are complicit in some conspiracy.
desert is, well . . . desert. He tends to see many things a bit differently than most – and IMO, not always realistically.
However, apparently this whackjob asshole was inspired to violence because Trump – who he claims not to have voted for – was not anti-Semetic. Both of those facts are noteworthy, especially given the media’s past baseless claims that “Trump inspires hate crimes by his supporters”.
The “ghouls” I mentioned are, as I type, coming out from under their rocks to use this latest horrific event to push their political ends.
Who is dishonoring the victims even before their bodies have grown cold?
Ghouls, dancing in the blood of innocents.
Quit trying to confuse the lefties with facts, Hondo. They so enjoy their hypocrisy and hysteria. They are intent upon maintaining their delusions in spite of reality.
President Trump response to this attack was epic.
To my fellow Jews, if you are still voting Democrat and swallowing their lies, you are another stupid juddenkrap.
#LoveMyPresident
#HeartForTrump
#AmYisraelChai
We have all grown so accustomed to this crazy shit that just yesterday or Thursday I was thinking, “We’re overdue.” I’m sure that probably a few here thought the same thing recently but, like me, would not dare say it. I tell you, I am not indifferent to this shit but it’s gotten to the point that I just shake my head. Sick phuks, with or w/o guns are sick phuks.
^word^ Felt the same way, and figured on today or tomorrow. Sabbath and Sunday, been awhile since a good mass shooting, early weekend voting happening everywhere, bombs didn’t blow, caravan still to far out; hell the list goes on and on. This kinda crap is why I (a) go out as little possible; (b) carry concealed with a back up everywhere I do go; (c) maintain total SA at all times…. And AW1Ed you are correct, the ghouls are already massively wading thru the blood of the innocents. I personnaly beleive we could slow some of this shitbaggery down if we would, in the known guilt cases, have very swift, very sure, very public, very painful punishment. Did I mention very public?
How about if we sue the networks for promoting mass hysteria, and then drooling and lurking over the carnage like jackals hanging around outside the vultures’ range, and repeatedly showing us the carnage if they can.
They groove on it. I think they shut their doors and watch it over and over until they get a tingle down their legs (maybe a warm, wet tingle), and whisper to themselves ‘look at all the blood’.
(+_+) yep; you can almost hear the fapfapfapfap in the background. It is their pron.
When you have creations like this getting their hands on guns, it makes you wonder what can be done to prevent this type of attacks on innocent people. Apart from turning every public place into a well defended walled safe zone, what can be done to prevent these mas murders? May be some one out there from the NRA has the answer? All I see is a hell of a lot of bravado, Supper-troopers who know best, and load mouths going on about their stiff-dead-fingers. Think for one minute; When will your wife, daughter, or son be gunned down by some creation who demands his/her rights to own an AR15, or any other type of military weapon with high fire rate. Yes, I own guns as does my son. We shoot regularly at our local gun club and hunt in designated areas. We are both licenced to own our guns and have been regularly checked for safe and secure storage. It works.
Well unless you propose banning the sale of and take every semi-automatic handgun & AR15 & AK47 and semi automatic rifle & pump action shotgun from every law abiding American who has one which will leave only those countless other similar weapons in the hands of criminals so nothing will change.
Gun free zones are a mass shooters preferred area of operation.
“Think for one minute; When will your wife, daughter, or son be gunned down by some creation who demands his/her rights to own an AR15, or any other type of military weapon with high fire rate.”
Dahell are you talking about? How fast one can pull the trigger determines the rate of fire in all civilian firearms. The exception is full automatics which are not generally permitted and which are inaccurate and ammo-burners in untrained hands. Would you feel better if the next maniac uses a 9mm and a pump shotgun?
Oh, and I suggest that you not let your family members drive or be driven anywhere. It’s damn dangerous. Or will you say, “Thank God my wife and son were killed by a semi tractor trailer and not by a semi automatic weapon.”
“We are both licenced to own our guns and have been regularly checked for safe and secure storage.” Is that to say that you allow the gov’t to check that your firearms are safely and securely stored? How exactly does that work?
Canadian?
Both email and IP addresses say he’s likely Aussie.
Bingo. Or should that be Dingo? There is a massive amt of info on gun-hating Australia and the onerous requirements for obtaining a license to possess a firearm. Self defense is not an acceptable reason for a license and, if one is granted, the police will be at your home to determine if you are storing it and its ammo safely. Australia is the envy of every gun grabber in the USA. It is also the envy of every rapist in the USA too. I wonder why that is.
BTW, lest anyone mistakenly think that I was fanning flames by mentioning rape, know that Australia’s rape rate is greater that of the USA.
David Hogg’s Dream…
“It is a condition of all firearm licences that the holder of the licence must permit a member of police to inspect their storage arrangements at any reasonable time. […]Random inspections may be carried out from time to time, with or without notice.” […] Legislation requires that cartridge ammunition must be stored in a locked container separate from the receptacle in which the firearm is stored. […] Victoria Police has determined that for the purposes of implementing this part of the legislation, a single, purpose-built storage receptacle comprising of two separate lockable compartments, one for ammunition and one for firearms, is classified as separate storage areas (and therefore suitable) provided that each compartment is locked with a separate lock and key or combination lock.[…]
“The Firearms Act 1996 and Victoria Police place great emphasis on firearm safekeeping. Penalties for failure to comply with these storage requirements range from 60 penalty units or 12 months imprisonment increasing up to 240 penalty units or 4 years imprisonment depending on the category of firearm being carried and used.”
Yep, because the police have nothing better to do than check the storage of over 300 million firearms across the US.
I’m sure they have plenty of time to do that. I bet if they did that, criminals would be ecstatic because police would be too busy checking storage to do any other crime fighting whatsoever.
This kid is such a shmuck. he’s read two or three books maybe and thinks he knows everything and is an expert on everything. Worse, people are fanning the flame of his motivation to do this dumb rubbish.
But do they license dingos? Remember when a “dingo ate my baby.”
He allows them to check and make sure he wipes his ass properly too.
Pompous ass. Canadian? Probably.
Now then, now then
Sorry, RCAF.
Aucune infraction prévue.
2/17 Air cav, Police Licencing Sargent’s do the security Checks. I am not interested in the Silly Red Neck statement about Trucks killing family members or how fast you can pull a trigger. I was against Licencing my guns until I sat down and read the rules properly. Any one using a gun in the commission of a crime is now placed on the top 10 wanted list and do get a minimum of 10 years behind bars. Gun crimes in Australia have fallen to around 2% in the past 10 years or so. Yes we still have crimes and murders, how ever if I walk down a street with a fire arm, I can guarantee that with in 10 minutes I will be sounded by police with guns out. May be our society is less paranoid then yours, as we do come from Convict Stock, and do understand that politicians do lie regularly.
“Red Neck statement” Stereotype much?
In the rural area I live in Australia the local copper did the safe storage check when I moved into the area years ago…. haven’t seen him since.
Convict stock-wishful thinking…. Australian’s are mostly descended from free immigrants and anyone who proudly claims a convict or criminal heritage is suspect in my books.
I’m country and proud of it & if that makes me a redneck I’ll wear that name with pride.
Ok, then. We shall assume you, a willing serf “of convict stock”, are lying to us for political purposes.
Oops.
Actually, about 40% of Australia’s present population wasn’t born in Australia. That you have surrendered your liberty for security is just grand and that police can come into your home w/o notice to check how your weapons are secured is grander still. As for your redneck comment, it is misplaced and makes no sense, but it does reveal something more about you. So, too, is the point you made about being surrounded by police within 10 of walking down the street with a firearm. Sounds peachy. Of course, there’s an old saying here in the US of A: when seconds count, police are just minutes away. Drive safely.
The Australia Constitution has few rights in it. Individual liberty is not the document’s concern. It does offer a right to vote but it does not offer a right not to vote. Accordingly, voting is compulsory in Australia and failure to vote means a fine. Despite the kinship some Americans and some Australians may feel to one another, we have little in common when it comes down to it.
Went there for R&R (I&I) in 1971. I thought the people were very friendly and likeable. But based on their recent history in Islam’s war against the West, they are about as with it as the Europussies. The only positive thing I have seen their goverment do is stop illegal immigration; but 0bama agreed to take over a 1000 of thier illegal invaders.
“Police Licencing Sargent’s” He doesn’t write in the King’s English and, by his post below, I’d say he is, at best, a retired prison guard and nothing else.
And guess what? Do you get to define what a crime is and is not?
Is defending your home a crime? Do you have “stand your ground”, or duty to retreat?
Choose your words carefully, prole.
Dunno, Ken. Sometimes life’s a bitch and then you die.
Personally, I look at firearms as being like a hammer. When you need one, there’s no substitute tool. Better my daughters can be armed if needed, and punch a Bowers’ ticket than be helpless victims.
There’s a reason the founders wrote the Second Amendment. It works at multiple levels if you think it through. YMMV
Bad guys will always find ways to do harm to others. No legislation will change that. So what do I propose? Easy. SHOOT BACK.
It is a proven fact that terrorist assholes like this nazi-wannabe actively seek “gun-free zones” where their victims are guaranteed to be unarmed. Responsible citizens with weapons are a proven deterrent and a proven countermeasure. This applies to CCWs and semiautomatic rifles.
Perhaps you recall about a year ago a violent asshole who was able to purchase weapons due to gross negligence by the federal government decided to shoot up his ex-wife’s church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. The first good guy to respond was an NRA instructor named Steven Wllieford, who grabbed his own AR-15 and ran barefoot on towards the sound of gunfire. Mr. Willeford engaged the violent asshole, drawing his fire away from his victims, mortally wounding the bastard with multiple hits, driving him away from his rampage, and pursuing him with the help of Johnnie Langendorff, a passerby who gave Mr. Willeford a ride to chase the murderous son of a bitch and make sure he didn’t try to continue his hateful rampage elsewhere. 26 people were murdered. Many more were saved by Mr. Willeford and his Scary Black Rifle. Media coverage of that event rapidly declined as it became clear that the truth contradicted the anti-2A narrative.
Banning my weapons won’t make you a bit safer. It would most likely have the opposite effect. Nice try with the “I own guns too” patronizing crap. Where the hell are you that you supposedly need to be licensed to own a gun?
So, AR15s are banned and what? Since long guns account for about 2% of the murders in the US annually, and AR15s are a fraction of those, the result will be (drum roll) negligible. But, okay, AR15s are to be banned. The guy who was going to use to commit mass murder will do what, not commit mass murder? Hell no. So, I guess those handguns will have to go, too. And so on and so forth. AND that is why any encroachment on our 2nd A right is to be opposed strenuously. Kenny the Canadian is all Hogg and no thought.
Yeah, he had three semi-pistols with multiple mags, but if he didn’t have the “scary black rifle,” he would have thought: Nope, not going to go kill Jews cuz I can’t get an AR or an AK, guess I’ll go play golf instead.
We now know Kenny is an Aussie, so he lives where the gun laws are even more onerous than Canuckistan.
He spelled license with a c instead of an s, which is the way Canadians (and others) That “creation business has me baffled. I thought he meant cretin but then used “creation” more than once. And then there’s that gun safety inspection crap.
Synagogues are not gun free zones. I don’t know where people are getting this dumb idea from. Plenty of synagogues and Jewish schools have armed guards. This one just chose not to.
My understanding is that Pennsylvania does not prohibit licensed carry in a house of worship.
Does nyone know with certainty if the Synagogue prohibited carry?
Note: “gunfight in a crowded and panicked auditorium” is definitely on the “bad day” list for those who carry. As an exercise for the forum, imagine how hard it would be to obtain line-of-sight on the attacker, that did not have someone before or beyond. A nasty problem.
Now add to it that under stress of a sudden and real gunfight, you will be lucky to have 50% of your “best day at the range” skill level. Fine motor control is usually the first thing out the window when the fight is on and for real.
Folks, by allmeans, be prepared and go lawfully armed. But do please give the scenario some thought before reflexively saying that concealed carry is some sort of magic talisman.
Hi The Other Whitey, I live in Australia, and I did 12 years in the Military, 3 CAV.R.A.A.C. 31 years as a Prison Officer, Executive Officer rank, weapons instructor, (Browning pump action shot gun, Rugger 223 semi automatic, Smith and western pistol, Browning High Powered 9 mil semi automatic. as well as many others we used. I was also qualified annually as a sniper on call for the 31 years with the Prison Department) before I retired to a less active and more enjoyable life style. I have a brother in California who is an armour, and Vet mates in Ohio who are keen hunters. They also understand what it is like to walk the streets here with out any fear of loonies with guns.
I do not aim to patronize in any way. It was a statement aimed to show I was not some Left Wing Loopy Dill who wanted all guns banned and destroyed. The safest defence is being prepared, and that is the job description of the Military and Police Forces. If you feel the need to carry a gun then join one or the other of them.
By coincidence, most here are acting, former, or retired military. Thank you for your thoughts and words.
And you are correct in being prepared- when seconds count police are minutes away. Better have something in your hand besides your dick, Ken T. taylor, or wind up very dead.
Gee whiz, Ken, I’d be more impressed with your resume if you knew how to spell the brand names of the weapons you allude to having used.
It is RUGER, NOT RUGGER. A rugger would be someone who doesn’t mind playing rough rugby. Could also be a toddler who likes to throw tantrums on the rug.
It is Smith and WESSON, NOT Smith and western. Smith and western is either a TV series from the 1960s or a brand of cast iron cookware from China that no one wants to buy.
And finally, it is Browning Hi Power 9mm semi-automatic handgun, NOT Browning High Powered 9 mil semi automatic. Try using a hyphen occasionally.
Gee whiz, how do I know this stuff? I hang out with Guys Who Know Guns. Disclaimer: I do not profess to own any weapon other than a short sword and a 35-pound bow.
Keep your wank clean, willya?
Ciao!
Nota bene: I also cook.
Ya beat me too it & said all that needs to be said.
POW!!!
Right in the kisser.
Yeah, Old Ken is so full of shit he can be smelled from 10,000 miles away.
Also…. A pistol chambered in 9mm Luger NOT a 9mm Luger pistol.
I doubt the thugs are running around with P08’S. Although, that would make they stylish.
“AR15, or any other type of military weapon with high fire rate”
What the fuck does that even mean?
I took two years of Canadian in high school. I’ll interpret for you: “I have no idea what I’m talking about. All I know is that I feel bad about the shooting, that the weapon used was reportedly an AR15 and, therefore, no in the US should own one. Also, like me, you should lock down all of your guns so you are effectively defenseless and be good sheep.”
Thanks. I live on the border so I get a mix of English and Canadian all the time. If you look at them as if you don’t understand, they immediately switch to all Canadian.
I think AR-15 translates to M2 in his mind so I’ll just let it go.
Many Canadians not only know about your Mattel rifles, but can probably repair, rebuild, reblue, and improve them. We have a lot of gunsmiths and armourers, and we also know how to shoot!
By the way, I also happen to lawfully own full auto rifles, so try to figure that one out!
“By the way, I also happen to lawfully own full auto rifles, so try to figure that one out!”
Owned before the 1998 ban date and grandfathered.
He has an auto rifle? Gee whizzikers, I haven’t seen an auto with a rifle attached in a while. Not, in fact, since Kaiser-Willys developed the 4-wheel drive Jeep for the Army with gun mounts included, for use in WWII.
Do they still make those?
Steady boys, he’s qualified instructor on Smith and western pistols and as a back up sniper. Man the staplers, but keep the wire rats out of the basement, we don’t want to cause any drinking problems.
BWHAAHAAHHAAAA!
If every responsible person carried concealed, the irresponsible scum would be too scared to attack anyone!
If everyone carries concealed, how will a gunman know they are carrying?
I doubt that CCW is a deterrent to anyone who wants to commit mayhem.
It may deter some (I’ll take even one) or none, but CCW by those who actually know what they are doing certainly can and does reduce the carnage. Attackers select gun-free zones for a reason. It only takes one good guy to stop any attack by a lone bad guy.
Reduction in injuries and deaths, yes, no argument, but CCW is meant to not let people know you’re armed. That was my point.
‘Concealed’ infers that a Bad Guy won’t be inclined to back off because your weapon is hidden.
‘Desert’ says ‘if everyone carries concealed’, implying that it will scare off the Bad Guys. That just does not work, IMHO.
Actually, it does – provided the location was previously one in which it was effectively impossible for the average person to get a CC permit. See the abstract for
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0144818816300278
FWIW: quite a number of places are still effectively “no issue” in that they make it extremely difficult if not impossible for the average individual with no criminal record to obtain a CC permit. NYC, NJ, MD, DC, and many locales in CA come immediately to mind.
For example, MD, which is laughably called “may issue” is surrounded by WV, VA, PA, and DE, all “shall issue” states.
Guess which state has the highest crime rate?
Was it me or 2/17 AC that triggered that chew toy last night? Super troopers with bravado? Not so much. How about short, small framed, glasses wearing Grandpa who has survived alot and wants to see his Grandchildren grow up. It ain’t the size of dog in the fight. CC may possibly give you the chance to not be the first target and take out the bad guy before they do much more damage. It should be understood by now that these type of situations are going to continue and that the police and the gubmint can’t stop it or protect us. As T.O.W. pointed out above, the good guy with the weapon kept the body count down some by reacting to the threat. If the good guy had of been open carry, he would have been the first casualty. We all know, the first rule of combat is to look for the obvious threat or defense force first and take it out. For more understanding of this go watch Josey Wales, “gonna draw them pistols or whistle Dixie” scene. It is sad that our country has come to this state of affairs.
On the other hand, if open carry is common, the attacker has too many opponents to realistically take them all out.
Note also that folks seated in pews, for example, might be openly armed but not obviously armed, until the fight was on.
Three openly armed people, not adjacent, are probably way more than some unskilled, untrained palooka can handle with any certainty. Even a -good- guy is going to be challenged by that.
CCW works better, in my view, but open carry works “good enough” if common enough.
Point taken, but the reason for ‘concealed’ is to NOT advertise that you’re armed.
So how will the Bad Guy be deterred by it, unless you shout “I have a gun!” at him?
I have no objection to CCW, but unless you pull the gun and use it, how will the Bad Guy be deterred?
Read up on Heinlein. He was right when he said, “An armed society is a polite society. One never knows when one may have to back up his words with his life.”
Perhaps you are looking at this backwards – it is the knowledge of a LACK of CCW that makes gun-free zones so popular with those intent upon creating mayhem with a weapon of some sort. They know that they have the opportunity to kill a bunch of folks before someone with a gun to take them out can get there.
Bad guy has to pick his target. Odds are he will pick the softest target available. Will he select a biker bar which has frequent bloody fights among well armed patrons or a place of worship which advertises that there will be no one inside who is armed?
Yep.
If a significant number of a given community carries concealed, the bad guys have a better chance of performing poor victim selection and getting ventilated. These scum prefer helpless victims, nor armed opponents, making it harder for them to pick because of concealed carry, not in spite of it.
Does Granny have a Lady Smith tucked in her purse? How about that guy with a cane, is there firearm on his hip? If concealed carry is banned, the thugs don’t have to worry about committing their crimes. The reverse is true- in a CCW environment the thugs don’t know who is carrying, making their selection more difficult, reducing crime.
The current “un-tucked” fashion trend certainly helps make it harder to tell the sheep from the goats.
AW1Ed says: If a significant number of a given community carries concealed, the bad guys have a better chance of performing poor victim selection and getting ventilated. These scum prefer helpless victims, nor armed opponents, making it harder for them to pick because of concealed carry, not in spite of it.
Here’s the issue: unless there is public notice posted that “CCW permits are issued here at will”, the selection of targeted victims is not dependent on who may or may not have a weapon on his/her person.
You guys are assuming that a Bad Guy will be emboldened by the maybe/maybe not low count of permits in an area where CCW permits are difficult to obtain. That’s statistically incorrect, since you have all posted frequently how the Good Guys With a Gun (concealed) have stopped attacks or reduced them, which rebuts the “deterrent by CCW” argument.
It doesn’t stop anything.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one, Ex. Seems Dr. John Lott is on my side, though.
University of Chicago Press
Good interview, highly recommended.
Read a DOJ study a while back that categorically stated that the body counts are significantly reduced pretty much in proportion to how quickly armed responders (police or civilian) hit the scene. Most of these assholes are cowards and quit/suicide as soon as they receive return fire. For those who say ” but they still kill people” – yeah, the first victims are going to happen. But the number of subsequent victims can be reduced substantially.
AW1Ed… BINGO!
It’s not that bad guys mysteriously quit being bad guys, what it does is increase good guy survivability and reduce the number of victims. The bad guys know this. Measuring just how many decide not to try is impossible with complete accuracy, but common sense dictates that while processing which potential target to hit, the average bad guy will consider his own survivability as well as how likely he is to accomplish his mission, whatever that is. Even those who don’t care about surviving still want to take out as many others as possible, usually, or they would just find a way to do one of those suicide by cop things.
Yes, I am looking at it from the back/results side. So let me try one more time.
In regard to the Mandaly Bay Hotel shooter at the concert in Las Vegas last year: Nevada has no laws prohibiting open carry and without a law criminalizing something, it is legal to do that thing (NRS 193.120). … No permit is required to openly carry a firearm. Anyone 18 and older who can legally possess a firearm may openly carry virtually anywhere in the state.
(There are prohibited places on the books.)
Source: https://www.nevadacarry.org/open-carry.html
That means that anyone at that concert could, if so desired, have been openly carrying a gun in a holster. Even so, something like that did NOT stop the shooter in the hotel from committing mass murder on what is a soft target, an outdoor concert.
And my point is that someone like the Las Vegas shooter or this wanker in Pittsburgh will not be stopped by any kind of CCW permit laws, because these people do not care about anything but their targets.
Don’t think anyone around here is arguing that it could. I certainly don’t think so.
What CCW et al can do is reduce casualty numbers. That is all. Prevent all bad guys from finding victims? Nope. Nobody I know thinks that.
Guess what some/many of us are saying is that nothing will prevent all bad guys from acting badly. Having the opportunity to increase individual survivability of many situations is the goal of CCW, to my way of thinking.
btw, having a pistol in a purse doesn’t do that particularly well.
“…having a pistol in a purse doesn’t do that particularly well.”
But nothing says you have to take the time to remove it from your purse, either. Just aim through the spot of least resistance.
And in that regard, how hard would it be to convince one of these obsessed creatures that you do have a gun in your purse without pulling it out? I have several things in mine which are about the width of a handgun barrel.
I talked it over with my Bushmaster and it didn’t have any feedback. Just sat there looking like an idiot while I explained it is the sole source of evil in the United States. When I put it away I took a look at the paper work I filled out in 2004 for it and the total price: $890.
I thought for a moment “Wait, if you’re so damn destructive then why do you cost 5 times more than a casserole from the anarchist’s cookbook?”
Rid one weapon and another will take its place, Roo. It works.
Gun Control Laws and the politicians who pass them do LITTLE more than aid, abet and embolden violent criminals via legislation that law-abiding people will be little more than conveniolantly unarmed VICTIMS.
Australia may regret scrapping all those modern arms, if China and/or Japan go real-estate hunting on the Bayonet plan.
Remember, at the beginning of WWII the UK took donations of any and all surplus guns they could get from the US, because they essentially disarmed themselves. I would respectfully suggest that in a similar situation today, the supplicant nation be told to go piss up a rope.
No need for a bayonet plan to take over Australia, the Chinese & Jap’s have long been buying up our farmland & real estate.
Referring to Japs us against the law in Australia where freedom of speech extends only to political speech and, in the absence of a constitutional right, the gov’t itself decides to decide what is acceptable speech.
Some of us actually take the words “shall not be infringed” exactly as they are written.
I’ll be that ugly American who says simply this Mr. Taylor, “Thank you for voicing your concerns regarding the politics of a nation you don’t live in. Some of us who do live and have served our nation even if it was 40 or 50 years ago like our protected rights just as they are.”
Some of us even have had to use our personal defense weapons for personal defense, in spite of what you read in our news papers.
Now we know if we want to have the government in our houses we can move to Australia, which is a lovely country by the way. Great people and very friendly. But I have zero interest in living there.
Your opinions would be very welcome in California, and they are letting non-citizens vote there in local elections now so your voice would matter to them. Anywhere else in the nation, not so much.
But thanks for lecturing us, I’m sure you enjoy when non-Australians try and lecture you about your internal politics.
What was this all for? What is the point to it? To let us know what a sociopath he is?
I’m grateful that there were no children injured or murdered by this whackjob, but for the others, may they at least find their own peace.
I don’t think he was a sociopath I think he was a psychopath. A sociopath is someone who utterly lacks empathy for the pain of others. A psychopath lacks empathy the same way but likes to cause pain as well. A sociopath would watch a snuff film. A psychopath would make one. – Andrew Vachss
My prayers for the victims. Too bad there wasn’t an ex-IDF man to hand the perp his own ass.
Amen.
FWIW, I carry, in church, and a lot of other places.
It is absolutely pathetic that you or anyone should have to start thinking that way, for even one minute. My, how times have changed.
Everything changed when people turned away from God, when they started slaughtering babies, when they took Jesus out of schools , the work place, the military etc…”when my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves and seek my face, then will I hear from heaven and heal their land” Until people wake up and realize they have allowed satan to take over…nothing will change, it will all get worse!
Well, no, it has happened before this, and has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with soft targets, and you know it. Schools, churches, hospitals, synagogues – all are soft targets.
Even the veterinarian’s office is a soft target, as is the library, the grocery store, and any place else where there are people gathered in groups with something on their minds besides slaughtering others.
The day that I even have to think about taking a gun to church in my purse, because some asshole with a chip on his shoulder and a brain the size of a pea may decide he’s going to “make a statement” and “show ’em” (whoever “’em” may be) is the day that everyone should start carrying weapons, period.
Do you only wear a seatbelt when you are expecting a crash?
A sidearm is like a fire extinguisher or aid bag. You keep it in a handy place, hoping never to need it.
Crazies are unpredictable, especially the violent ones. If you think you have figured out how one may accurately predict violent crazies, either write the paper or get help.
Okay, 11B, tell me where I said I have all the answers? I don’t. I don’t think anyone has all the answers. All these shooting events are random, with random targets that have only one thing in common: largish number of people present, an enclosed environment, and the element of surprise.
Why would anyone attack a synagogue in the middle of a baby-naming ceremony?
1 – A crowd of people
2 – Enclosed environment with a few exits
3 – Doors aren’t locked or guarded
4 – No one expects a crackpot with a chip on his/her shoulder to create chaos, injure/kill people and destroy what people are enjoying, or a bunch of crackpots to turn a passenger plane into a flying bomb, or a bumch of crackpots to kill of an entire Olympic team and throw the bodies out of a hotel window.
Nobody expects anything like that, because we don’t do these things. Other people do them.
Do I lecture you on photography? You said you do not even own a gun. I own and use a camera, even have done some published work, way back when, so my point is a bit … off.
(Grin)
I do not “expect” trouble. I simply prepare for it, and have learned how to respond appropriately. That same mindset also works nicely for driving without stress, and without accidents.
Yep. The same point others of us are trying to make. (NOT about your photographic expertise!)
I don’t fear having a fire or having a traffic accident, but I wear my seatbelt when driving and keep fire extinguishers handy especially in areas most likely to produce an unwanted fire. That is not an indicator of paranoia. Just being prepared. I don’t expect to have either a traffic accident or a fire, but it is very likely that someone in my county will today. In the unlikely event that it is me, I am prepared.
Having tools around to increase one’s survivability if bad things happen just makes sense. It’s also why most folks with swimming pools have fences around them, we have smoke detectors, and we tie our shoe laces.
I’m not missing your point. I’m simply saying that CCW won’t stop someone from trying to do as much damage as possible.
It’s the element of surprise that is the problem. You don’t expect to be rear-ended by a drunk at a stoplight, but it happens, and the seatbelt won’t keep you from being bumped around, but it will keep you from being thrown into or through the windshield.
You just said the magic word, PH…”try”.
They can try, but if someone has the ability, training, fortitude, and TOOLS (and yes, a gun is just that–a tool, and nothing more), their “success”, so to speak, will be far more limited than it is now.
YMMV.
Its not a new thing. In the 1600’s it was common to find well armed men at Scots Church services protecting the congregation. I’m sure there are other examples also.
You bet!
For what it’s worth…and it’s worth a lot….. thank Christ for that.
Just don’t decide pray before you decide to squeeze the trigger.
That sounds like a disciple of the gospel of JMB 19:11
I do too. Try going to a Mormon service and I could almost guarantee that at least 1/4 of the people there either have a gun on them or in their vehicle.
I rest my case.
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I especially loved John Cusack’s diatribe.
Attach boy, John. Way to be tolerant and help the conversation, you jackwagon.
Atta boy. Fucking autocorrect.
Jeffrey Wright’s was especially intolerant, too.
Who are these clowns? Have they done anything significant with their lives? Nothing that would make their opinions worth anything to me.
Since they apparently wish to be heard so much, perhaps they should consider saying something which makes even a little sense. Acting like petulant children doesn’t really garner respect from normal, sane Americans. Obviously, respect is not what they are after.
People who prefer negative attention to no attention at all are very sad.
During the big Jewish holidays, the store front Jewish Orthodox Synogogue in our shopping center used to have an armed security guard standing by outside. Yesterday (Sat.) I parked my car across from the Synogogue to pick up some chow at Publix and saw no security even with the place crowded with people. This was at the time of the Pa. incident. I passed a couple of people outside but I didn’t want to ask them if they knew what happened as I don’t know if they bring their cell phones inside. Dimes to donuts, I’ll bet I’d see security there next time I pass by. A guy like me with 5 Navy tatts on my arms a non Jewish sounding last name and an ex comp shooter who goes to the range on a regular basis hears a lot of anti semetic BS from peeps who don’t know my religious faith and then when I mention it, the same line of BS comes out like well, your not one of them, IE dem liberal.
What do you call a lone, uniformed security guard? The shooter’s first victim. Good security blends and can be provided by any upstanding citizen who is alert, aware, and armed.
Exactly why CCWs are effective as both deterrent and countermeasure. Countermeasure because the asshole doesn’t know in advance who they are, deterrent for the same reason, as long as CCW is known to be a thing.
Your right 2/17 and TOW. When I first saw the uniformed guards in the past, it didn’t occur to me of what you mentioned. I must have tunnel vision and not thinking out of the box. Thanks for the heads up guys.
The assault rifle ban of 1994 did not stop Columbine. They found a way around it. Thats what criminals do.
Every state is a “shall issue” concealed carry state for the bad guys.
I see that the social network Gab.com is being hit by PayPal and others. I never heard of Gab.com but the shooter had and posted his bullshit on that site. So, Gab.com says that as a result of companies pulling out, that they soon will be down for some weeks. That’s too bad. I prefer that murderous assholes post whatever they like,. chiefly because it at least allows for the possibility that they will announce their murderous intentions beforehand and maybe they will be stopped.
Thomas Jefferson wrote: “Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.” There are a couple translations for this phrase depending on whose Latin translations you prefer….but for me both of the more popular variants work just fine, those two are: “I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery” “I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.” For context here’s the entire passage in his letter to Madison. Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it’s evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. – Jefferson to Madison, January 30, 17871 For our foreign friends what this means is this nation is founded on a principle that government can never be trusted to do the right thing, ever. That government, given the opportunity, will always seek to elevate itself to a power position and rule rather than represent. Consequently pure… Read more »
Mattis seems to have hit the nail on the head with the shooter:
“He is not a man.”
Hope the LGBTQIATRUPAPXRMSET community does not get too upset about his comments. Cuz his feelings might get hurt if he gets criticized.
Am so SICK of these Leftist Hypocrites…have they no shame?
The video…the idiots! So disgusting! Keep it up, morons…Trump will defintely get re-elected in 2020 and the blue wave will go poof!!…
“Protesters Interrupt Moment of Silence For Pittsburg Victims During Blackburn Rally”:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/10/29/protesters-interrupt-moment-silence-pittsburgh-victims-during-blackburn-rally
These people have no shame. Before the bodies even hit the floor they’re making it political.
I hope the election next week shows the Dems what socialism, identity politics, and embracing crime gets them. We need some fresh liberal breakdown videos.
Not sure that it’s even political any more. It’s about a bunch of spoiled brats throwing tantrums if there is even a hint of them not getting their way.
Were a lot of these clowns part of the “Me” generation? Or is this just the latest iteration of it?
It must be terribly painful to live in such a totally self-centered world that you cannot step back long enough to observe a moment of silence for victims of horrific violence. Instead, it’s all about what they want, all the time. Nobody else matters.
Pitiful. Lost, pitiful souls.
Kenneth Taylor(AKA KenT. Taylor AKA any other pseudonym similar) is a sock puppet.
Any true aussie would use the term bogan instead of redneck. I’m not aussie myself, but lingo is one of my thing-o’s.
Cheers,
MrFace