Failures
Let me say right off the bat that the gunman at the Broward County, Florida school bears all of the responsibility for his murder of 17 former classmates whatever his name is. No one else. However, a long string of failures made it possible for him to engage in his grisly task.
The Broward County Sheriff’s Department made nearly 40 trips to gunman’s home in a seven-year period responding to complaints from neighbors. The school had suspended him and issued a warning to classmates to report if they saw him on campus with a backpack. The FBI had ignored warnings when he posted threats to Facebook and You Tube. From KTLA;
Posts under videos on YouTube and other sites by someone using the name [name of the gunman] include threatening comments, such as:
“I whana shoot people with my AR-15.”
“I wanna die Fighting killing s**t ton of people.”
“I am going to kill law enforcement one day they go after the good people.”
On an Instagram account under the name @[name of the gunman], his profile picture shows him with a mask around his face, wearing a Make America Great Again hat. Other posts include a photo of a rifle, a collection of firearms on a bed, and a photo taken through a scope looking out a window.
A video blogger said he warned the FBI in September about a possible school shooting threat from a YouTube user with the same name as [name of the gunman]. An FBI agent confirmed that a field officer in Jackson, Mississippi, received the tip and interviewed the person who shared it. But no additional information was found to help identify the person who posted the comment and no connection was made to south Florida, said Robert Lasky, FBI special agent in charge of the Miami division.
And finally, we discover last night that the Resource Officer, a Broward County Sheriff’s Deputy, Scot Peterson, assigned to the school during the time of the attack, hesitated outside the school building for four minutes while students inside were being murdered. The ultimate failure. Now, according to Fox News, former deputy Peterson is being protected by the Sheriff’s Office, ironically;
The deputy “was seeking cover behind a concrete column leading to a stairwell,” Officer Tim Burton of the Coral Springs Police Department, who responded to the shooting, told the New York Times.
The Times also reported that in February 2016, the sheriff’s office received “thirdhand information” about Cruz planning “to shoot up the school.” The information — which said Cruz had knives and a BB gun — was forwarded to Peterson, who was working at the school back then.
When a WSVN-TV reporter tried to approach Peterson’s Boynton Beach home for an interview Thursday, he said he encountered a contingent of six police officers standing guard.
“They prevented us from approaching the house,” WSVN-TV’s Frank Guzman tweeted.
I think its odd that Sheriff Scott Israel didn’t give us that information about Deputy Peterson’s failure to engage the gunman until after the CNN Townhall broadcast. I’m sure the gungrabbers would have sat down and shut up if Israel had mentioned it during the broadcast.
The NRA doesn’t seem to be the problem as much as the government’s lackeys who ignored this gunman before he was a gunman.
Watch my buddy Pete Hegseth take Geraldo to the woodshed at about 6:30 into this video;
Category: Gun Grabbing Fascists
Long string of failures that had nothing to do with the NRA or its members/supporters.
Especially when the shooter’s family called the cops on him for holding a gun to someone’s head, and the police did not arrest him
You mean the very same family that just a few days ago stated that they had no inkling of the shooter’s intentions and that they thought they had the only key to the gun safe? Something is very wrong with them.
2 different families. First family was the official guardian after his mother died. I think they are the ones who reported him in Nov 2017. He then moved out into a friend’s house, they are the ones saying they had no idea.
Ah. Mea Culpa
Here is a pretty good explanation why the police didn’t do shit about him when they could. If true, it’s because their policy said not to.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
and it was apparently 4 deputies, not 1…
Your Government will protect you. Nothing to see here Citizen, move along.
“Deputy” Scot Peterson is a MOTHER FUCKING COWARD!
“Sheriff” Israel is a MOTHER FUCKING COWARD!
Peterson HID while children and teachers were waiting/praying for help.
Israel HID this info until AFTER the so called “Town Hall”.
FUCK THEM BOTH!!!!
That is too gentle a fate, terrorologist.
Sorry for the rant, but this pisses me off more than words alone can describe. I drove black & white cab for almost thirty years and hate to admit it but there were far too many in our ranks. Everyone knew who the cowards were, they were the ones who talked the most sh*t and ALWAYS the last to show up at a hot call. Sometimes you’d pass them on the way to the call and they always had an excuse for why they were late to it.
Unfortunately they seemed to gravitate towards being SRO’s, thinking it was the safest place to hide while collecting a pretty good paycheck. (NOT all, but a large portion)
I’ve got to go take my BP meds…
Yeah. He didn’t just roll up on this fiasco. He too a paycheck to -be- the keeper fo the peac at that school. Absent that Ho ice, someone -else- would have been there.
Deputy Chickenheart called in a description of the shooter. Do I interpret that to mean he -saw-, with his own eyes, the shooter? That he had -line of sight- on the shooter?
Because if that is what happened, -that- is an entirely different level of “did not engage”.
Maybe he just repeated the word from the kids.
Maybe he should have taken some lessons from the JROTC Cadets who seemed a bit more “willing”…
Oh my word….. the typos…
Using a new Bluetooth keyboard.
I think it is drunk.
He took a paycheck to be the keeper of the peace at that school. Absent that choice, someone else would have Ben there.
Yes, but some of them are quite funny, 11B.
Ho ice? Priceless!
(Facepalm)
Hey, it’s okay, 11B. I’m using that one in something.
Ho ice – not what you want to use to chill your beer.
You’re pissed off, terrorologist?
Get in line!
I did 29 years in a blue suit. What that deputy did he’s gonna have to live with for the rest of his miserable existence. Personally I wouldn’t be able to look at myself in a mirror in the morning. Instead of being allowed to resign they should have put him in a room with a .38 and 1 round.
Let him do one thing right.
What do the British call it? The “Mess Webley?”
That’s what I said to my wife this morning. What a miserable shit that guy is. I really don’t know how you could live with yourself after that.
We have been training for years now to go in, confront the threat, and take out the threat. He clearly didn’t follow his training, unless the SD out there trains to let kids die when you could do something. Hell, we have an unarmed coach and JROTC cadets that acquitted themselves with more valor and heroism than this loaf.
I determined a long time ago that, while I really don’t want to die, I would rather die giving my son and daughters a reason to be proud of me than live to make them ashamed of me. It’s not that I’m especially brave, it’s just that some things scare me worse than death.
Exactly OWB. Once I raised my right hand my life was no longer my own. It belonged to the community I served. I wasn’t crazy about the idea, but I went down many a dark alley and into many a dark building but that was what I was being paid to do. “You have to go out. You don’t have to come back”.
I’m not OWB.
I can confirm that.
And I agree with both of you.
I was a police officer as well, and like many was so dumb, I went charging in to beat my compadres who would run over me if I hesitated..YES we knew who had our back and they knew I had theirs, a few, very few others were like this guy, some were smart enough to get out of the business, others were assigned administrative duties, photo officer, evidence locker etc etc…nothing dishonorable about not be a hero, UNLESS, you take the position and then do not do your duty…..he will have to live with that! imo
Hunting ducks with an AR-15?
US Fish and Wildlife frowns upon that sort of thing.
But they -are- useful for bagging poodles! Jeff Cooper said so!
“Poodleshooters”
Or as John Ringo calls them, “Barbie Guns”. I love me some Barbie guns!!!
Jeff Cooper also said the ultimate rifle was a lever action in scout rifle configuration and no other rifle was needed.
He had his points but a pretty arrogant bastard.
Which is why I take his pontifications with a barrel of salt.
Bolt action
He is given credit for creating the “scout rifle” configuration.
What is this obsession with the AR-15?
Is this because the IDIOTS in the media think it’s the ONLY ballistic weapon ever made?
You can’t even hunt anything but small game with it in many states, and frankly, if you’re only interested in .22 caliber ammo, you cheapskate, it means that all you want to do is make noises and disturb your neighbors.
I never liked the AR-15 but it is theee
weapon of choice for older guys like me that can no longer get nasty with an M1A on the fly.
The AR has become the “Jeep” of firearms.
Same market strategy. Same innovative followers and lots of T-shirts.
No offense, ex, but you should learn more of them before making statements about them. ARs can be had in many extremely effective calibers, ranging from .45 rifle cartridges equivalent to a .45-70, through several 6.5mm-ish sizes which are very highly regarded for deer-sized game. 5.56 is extensively used for critters up to hog-sizes by many, many hunters. And all it takes to change calibers is to push out two pins and maybe change magazines.
Our beloved Ex-PH2 is much more familiar with frying pans than things that go “pew”, I fear.
And her pans are to respected both as culinary tools and blunt instruments.
Hell hath no fury…
Like Ex-PH2 scorned.
…or when I’ve burnt a quiche!!!
Real men don’t eat quiche! 😉
In December I read that Phoenix Weaponry has made an AR-10 in .45-70.
Yep- they named it Christine: http://www.phoenixweaponry.com/complete-weapons/christine.html
Ohhh yeahhh she looks fun!
Ex, the typical .223 caliber round used in the AR-15 is not the same as the .22 Long Rifle rimfire you’re probably thinking of. The .223 (5.56 mm) uses a center primer, has a bullet of roughly twice the weight, and about three times the speed coming out of the muzzle of the weapon. One of the reasons the Army switched from the M-14 to the M-16 was because although the .308 (7.62 mm) bullet used in the M-14 was larger, the higher velocity of the .223 round meant it was more capable, in theory, of causing hydrostatic shock on impact. Higher muzzle velocities also typically mean flatter bullet trajectories for better accuracy at longer distances.
“three times the speed coming out of the muzzle”
.223 velocity is about 3100 fps
.308 velocity is about 2900 fps
The “three times” number is in comparison to the .22 LR. The 2900 fps number for the .308 also sounds high, IMHO.
During the time frame when the M-14 to M-16 switch was being made, I remember the debate as using ~900 fps for the .22 LR, ~3000 fps for the .223, and ~1800 fps for the .308. Despite it’s advantage in reduced load-out weight, critics of the .223 said the 55 grains of the round wouldn’t be enough for penetration. There was also some discussion about switching everybody over to .300 Win Mag for both a higher velocity (~3000 fps) and higher bullet weight.
What might also be going on, if you look at current comparisons, is that the numbers have changed over time due to better brass, powder, and so forth.
Yeh and none of them were as effective as the old Garand in 30.06, if that wouldn’t taken’em down, nothing would! (also a damned good sniper round)!
Mil-spec .308/7.62 is functionally equivalent to M-2 Ball (.30-06) used by the Garand
“The “three times” number is in comparison to the .22 LR”
My reading error. Sorry.
1800 for .308 is a squib. 2800 fps is about right for 150 grain FMJ
2800 is also about right for M-2 Ball, otherwise known as .30-06
The AR-15 with NATO 5.56 ammo is a fine (and fun) weapon. If you took a squirrel with it, you would have no squirrel to take.
I shot ground squirrels with one in 5.56mm/.223 on several occasions and there was very little squirrel left after a hit for the eagles and seagulls to spar over.
I hate to ask, but your comment confuses me. Do you mean you think an AR only shoots .22 ammo? I had assumed you knew the difference between .22, .22LR, .223, and 5.56mm.
Frankly both .22 and .22LR are pretty quiet rounds.
Well, not being familiar with it except through the hysterics of the ghouls in the media, I had to go on the limited info I found on Wiki. I know: not the best reference.
But what I was trying to get a handle on is the media’s obsession with this particular gun, or whatever you want to call it. I have yet to understand what there is about it that gets their undies in s wad.
It is as though no other ballistic weapon was ever made or is now in use, and I know better. Frankly, it looks like something made out of spare parts to me.
Just trying to understand where this obsession starts, aside from their utter ignorance.
My 2 cents is that it looks exactly like an M-16 or M-4, which are assault rifles. Not sure how many progs understand the distinction as they love to muck about with words to confuse the issue. I give you “undocumented immigrant” in evidence.
Apparently most of them only see the cosmetic similarity, which explains the 1996 “assault gun” ban.
It is the scary black gun with that deadly pistol grip and a bayonet lug (although most AR-15 style rifles don’t have it anymore). It is cosmetic bullshit. Any semi-automatic rifle with a removable magazine in .223 caliber would inflict the same amount of damage. The Ruger min-14 would have performed exactly the same, but to proggies it doesn’t look like a military rifle.
Maybe if it had some lace or embelleshment along the foregrip and came in rainbow?
As I gaze into my crystal ball, I see many, many lawsuits against law enforcement agencies and personnel.
That deputy now has to look at himself in the mirror and realize that because he failed in his duty as a sheepdog, he gave the shooter time to kill more and more people. I would not be surprised to hear that he brings upon himself the fate he evidently feared from the shooter.
Oh, they may get -filed-. However, all will likely fail.
SCOTUS has already decided, several times, that the Police have no duty to protect any individual, just society as a whole.
It is settled law, going back decades.
Unless the deputy’s conduct was egregiously outside departments standards, he is bulletproof. Thus also his “did a good job” comments.
Sadly, he is going to walk away with a pension.
The can we all send him white feathers? Every year on the day?
Yup, unfortunately true. That is why I get pissed when I hear some politician or politician in uniform telling us they are there to protect us. No they are not. When you have a response time of 15 to 20 minutes, it is up to you.
“When seconds count, the police are minutes away!”
Too true. Reality bites.
Sadly, I have to concur. Unless there is something that some sharp and righteous lawyer can find to pin these cowards to the wall.
But the fact of having to defend against the many lawsuits and the bad press when they fail may be worth it.
I read somewhere that protocol in most urban areas is to have minimum of 2 officers before engaging (as opposed to waiting for ‘overwhelming force’ which is what allowed the Columbine shooters to rampage for an eternity).
Probably buried in this long article:
http://monsterhunternation.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/
Yes and no. It depends on their training.
Before Columbine it was surround and contain. Didn’t work. So tactics changed.
After Columbine it was wait for a team of four, form into a T or diamond formation and then enter, locate the threat, and engage.
Since waiting for four cops takes a while, we were seeing active shooters where the cops were there and the killing was still going on. Nobody wants that, so tactics changed.
The way PDs -should- be trained, for the last several years at least, is to immediately enter, locate the threat, and engage. Once there are a couple of good guys with guns in the building, then you slow down a little and get a tactical formation going and move in.
I couldn’t imagine standing outside a building where kids are running out and shooting is still going on inside. This deputy will most likely end up eating his gun over this. I’d really hate it if their protocol was to wait and that’s the training he was following, cause it would not be easy to live with that afterwards.
If Floriduh law is like most other states, the likelihood of success against LEO entities is pretty slim. Most state/local LEO entities enjoy what is know as law enforcement immunity, which means they cannot be civilly liable for failure to enforce law, even if done so through negligence. Most states have government entity tort liability laws which severely restrict their liability to citizens for the entity’s wrongdoing. The defendants with the most likely exposure in any lawsuits are the school district and school officials for inadequate security measures.
The FBI did nothing after the first warning sent to them, because “no additional information was found to help identify the person who posted the comment and no connection was made to south Florida”? I’m gonna throw the bullshit flag on that. It would have taken one phone call to Google, the parent company of Youtube, to get the ISP info of whoever posted the comment. If not, with the screen shot that the guy who owned the Youtube channel gave the FBI, they could have spent 15 or 20 minutes using one of several websites that allows for tracking and identifying an ISP. This is just lame CYA bullshit from the Feebs.
Same sentiments here.
Why the Broward County Sheriff still has a job and the FBI Special Agent in Charge hasn’t been suspended escapes me.
FBI Director Wray needs to be shitcanned, too.
The FBI used to be a premier law enforcement agency – that had countless investigative tools, manpower and resources at its fingertips. The agency has become a laughingstock and lost its credibility. Their storied history is tarnished.
Now they can’t even track down an IP address? A friggin’ 16 year old could find it.
I’ll go out on a limb and say that since both the FBI and Broward County Sheriff’s Office failed to fully investigate the threats and didn’t take prudent steps and precautions, their omission set the conditions for the event to take place. There was an obvious threat, and neither agency did anything to prevent it. They failed to do their jobs – plain and simple.
All these failures contributed to putting that campus in greater danger or threat of danger than it might have otherwise faced had they actually done the job they were paid to do.
The lack of accountability is astounding.
There is a persistent thread of discussion elsewere in media, that Broward County was “diverting” minorities out of the criminal system, because “too many” of the ‘wrong’ people were winding up in jail.
The shooter, despite being an extremely low-melanin looking sort, had what is known as “an Hispanic Surname”. (And -that- was by adoption, if I am not mistaken.) -That- legalistic categorization meant he counted on the list of “too many”, and -that- may be the ultimate reason he was never seriously hassled for his seemingly actionable shitbaggery.
There is a strong contingent of folks on the left who want to -stop- incarcerating violent folks because it is “bad for them”. The hoodlums, that is, not their victims. Since those same Limousine Liberals go to inordinate lengths not to live in “that part of town”, they do not expect to ever actually meet any of the people they are “helping”. (Unless they want their lawns mowed cheap). They certainly care not one whit who -else- might get to meet the un-jailed jailbirds.
So it is entirely possible that there will be a vast pattern of -intentional- failures in Broward County on this one, and many others similarly “helped” there. Adjacent Dade County has similar programs of help, as do other blue-urban LL-controlled places.
The media is about to quickly change the subject away from that little detail, probably more “Russian meddling”.
The Ghouls find it harder to dance in the blood of innocents when it gets crusty and fly-blown. They like it fresh.
Just saw an article whining that putting more LEO in schools would result in more young blacks entering the prison pipeline… it was oh-so-sanctimonious, but in fact, racist as hell.
Yeah, I’ve read that discussion.
Here’s a good snapshot – worth reading:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/did_the_progressive_broward_county_solution_cost_17_student_lives.html
USMCM: A longer article by the same author can be found at:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/
Broward County officials were warned a number of years ago that the policies they were implementing would lead to serious problems.
Sheriff Israel is still very busy searching for his ass after it was surgically removed by Dana Loesch.
Well below, I quoted from the department’s web page that it boasts of being a “progressive” LE agency. I see now what that means.
Deputy Peterson
Somehow I din’t think he’ll keep much of that retirement pay.
Makes me wonder the general quality of the people populating those school positions…Charlottesville put School Resource Officer Tammy Shiflett (a sworn officer) on the street during that protest disaster where she didn’t appear to acquit herself with notable success. I know in my former professional community there were A team and B team jobs…and even a few notorious C team jobs for bent shitcans. where is “School Resource Officer” in the LEO hierarchy?
Sadly, in some cases it is the local “rubber gun squad”.
It is often a Retired on Active Duty slot. I can certainly see the value of putting an older person there, more a parental-looking sort, who raised kids to adulthood so knows the games better.
But there is that small chance that fate’s fickle finger will come poking ….
Out here our school system has their own PD.
Saw them at the range one time and I hope to God there are no bystanders if they ever have to shoot at a suspect because their method of targeting was pretty much spray and pray.
Peterson is 54 years old, had been the SRO since 2009, and before that he was an LEO for a number of years (I haven’t been able to determine exactly how many). So most likely he was in a “Retired on Active Duty” slot.
That would have been my guess since he immediately retired.
Lots of these specialty assignments with low paperwork load, regular hours, and other perks like take home cars attract those who want to do very little or ride out their final years.
More of Peterson’s “incompetence”: a tweet about his not cooperation with social services concerning the shooter:
https://twitter.com/scottbix/status/966832499568586752/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Face.mu.nu%2F
I sense the “feasance” sisters mis,mal & non may rear their heads
Seems that the PD had an agreement in place to not pursue a number of crimes to keep the crime rate down.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
Cop suspended with out pay!
That is called a clue.
I posted this on the “Don’t lecture me” thread by Jonn… came across it this morning.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
They are letting this coward sonovabitch retire. What does the sheriff think he’s in, the VA? He took an oath to serve and protect, failed to do his job, and now they reward him. Sounds like its time for a recall election on the sheriff.
Broward County is run by dems, the sheriff is a dem. It’s doubtful that a recall petition would get the needed signatures to put the recall on the ballot.
And Sheriff Israel loves him some Cankles McPantsuit:
https://www.facebook.com/SheriffScottIsrael/photos/pb.568651573160466.-2207520000.1452446253./1233351940023756/?type=3&theater
HMCS; Right at 1:59PM, I am listening to the Joyce Kaufman show on WFTL 850 AM radio and she is talking about Sheriff Israel and the hands off students in the Broward County schools. Seems like a political hands off the students deal. also seems like Gov. Scott does not want Qualified teachers to be armed. I don’t know why some of the LEO’S now being investigated for not following up school threats don’t blow the whistle on the just announced hands off policy.
That policy has been in place for years. They wanted to have a lower crime rate for students so they just ignored the crimes.
Simple.
Second guessing the officers actions on that day is bullshit.
Or it is, at least for now.
As a combat veteran, I know I don’t have what it takes to be a cop. A cop’s mentality should be to protect and serve, while mine tends to be boot to throat and bullet to the face. But even past that, what was the situation? Objectively look at it.
There’s an unexpected fire alarm. There’s kids exiting the building. Then there’s gunfire.
What do you do? Do you rush against the crowd, into hallways filled with panicing kids while lights flash and a siren screams? How many threat assesments can your OODA loop handle before it breaks down?
We know what policy says he should have done. Policy says he cowboys up and assults the building. Best case he kills the shooter and the body count is lower. Worst case, he kills the wrong kid, ends his career, and ruins his life.
What does his training tell him to do? Was he trained for this? Was it more than a couple of hours of power point and a trip to the range?
What does his gut say about the situation? That one we don’t know enough to even speculate on.
There’s a lot of blame to go around here, but singling this guy out for all the systemic failures is a bit much.
I am only singling him out for his inaction.
He gave a -description- to dispatch. Does that mean he had line of sight on the turd?
If so, that would be … problematic.
Plenty of blame to share, in no way gives -any- schmuck a pass.
I hadn’t heard that about dispatch. The only thing I’v heard is that he called it when shots where fired and then moved to take a covering position.
Which is part of the reason I qualify my rant with “for now”.
The story itself has evolved a lot already. It went from he did nothing/sat in his car to he heard shots fired, called it in, and sat in his car to he heard shots fired, called it in, and moved to cover the school.
At least that’s the progression I’ve tracked.
Now if the officer had a legitimate chance to end the threat and he didn’t, I’d like to know why. If he panicked and froze that’s one thing. If he ducked behind a wall praying the shooter wouldn’t shoot him, thats another. If he felt he didn’t have a shot that wouldn’t endanger other students that’s yet another thing.
With all of that said my two biggest questions are why was he alone and what kind of training did he get?
If the answers to those questions are “Budget” and “Limited training because of budget” then I’m going to find it hard to drop the napalm on his ass.
If the answers are “He’s a top rated officer who recieved specialized training for these types of events” and “extensive” then I’ll glad press the button that tosses him out the airlock.
Dad did consulting and red-teaming on this subject in a major metro area.
-Current- doctrine is “rush the shooter, hard, fast, now – whoever gets there first goes -now-” the shooters almost always quit, self-terminate, or suicide by cop. (Like 90+%) so the odds favor rushing in -now-, before they can get barricaded or decide on hostages, or they just keep shooting while perimeters are secured and SWAT called.
It is -highly- unlikely that a school resource officer in a very major metro area like Broward, did not get the memo on current doctrine.
And he would have been hearing the screams, the shots, the mayhem. He had to have known that kids were being -slaughtered-. An -he- chose that uniform, badge, and gun.
How could any man -not- attack the monster feeding on children?
Who on this forum could not have made that try? Would not have.
Who knows what went through that deputy’s mind. But I rather doubt that he is ever going to sleep well again. And he is going to have to live with the memory of those screams for all eternity.
Just got off the phone with a LEO (who has a part time gig providing security for our chappel on Sunday’s). And their policy is that the first two responders to the scene will go in hard and fast. If you are the only responder you make the call based on the situation and if you choose to go in you clearly communicate your actions and location via raido to avoid blue on blue.
He also said that response times are usually less than 90 seconds to the town schools, so the odds of only one officer arriving alone is pretty negligible.
They also (much to my relief) drill this once a quarter, with each officer required to do it at least twice a year.
Spent 37 years carrying a badge . For years it’s been taught that if you’re the first one there , get inside and at least communicate . But if there is a shot , get your hands dirty and man up . Wasn’t there , but I’d almost bet that I would have fired the alleged officer on the spot for cowardice .
I will tell you what went through his mind:
I am not moving, because I am not moving children will die, start thinking about justifying my cowardice inaction.
” moved to cover the school.”
The school wasn’t the problem, the shooter was the problem.
The guy had 33 years experience.
Just to refresh everyone’s memory, at Columbine the police set up a perimeter after arriving on scene and did not enter the building for 47 minutes. There was some criticism of the delay. Lessons were supposedly learned.
“https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html
Bullshit? OK, As someone who has done the job for almost thirty years, worked on the streets of Baghdad and Mosul training Iraqi Police (and also have been is combat) Been in multiple OIS. We ARE trained how to handle these situations.
The bullshit is defending the indefensible.
I blame his training. We all know that when things get hot, your actions are more like impulses, well if you’re trained properly. That’s why we have ambush drills and immediate action drills for things that require an immediate action, without much thought. I suspect Deputy Peterson was assigned to the school and no training was involved and he froze because he had no training.
“IF” he had no training, I would be shocked. I worked in Stockton CA and we had REQUIRED training for these type of incidents. If you’ll remember the Cleveland School shooting was in Stkn and in my beat (I was not working that day). I can’t speak to Fl, but that doesn’t stop me from calling him a coward of the first degree.
But watching the bumbling imbecile they call a sheriff in Broward County, I can’t help but think that it was Peterson’s lack of training with his inherent cowardice that prevented him from reacting properly.
The “Sheriff” is no better than Peterson. Remember he HID this info until after the Town Hall. He should be recalled immediately.
Jonn, this is the way I’m leaning. I look at how fast the sheriff threw the officer under the bus and the PSYOP in me thinks he did it to cover his own ass.
SSG Kane – Exactly! The county had a policy in place that ignored most misdemeanors and some felonies in order to keep down the crime rate from the high school and it came back and bit them in the ass. Now the Sheriff is trying to figure out how to deflect the attention from his department’s policy that allowed this to happen so he is throwing his deputy under the bus.
Also, considering how the Sheriff has handled the department so far I would not be surprised at all if this officer received no training before being assigned to the school. Yeah, it might be mandated and in the books, but that doesn’t mean that it will happen.
Active shooter is required training in accordance with CALEA standards, the training and context is simple: immediately engage, close distance and stop threat!
All cops in US should have had multiple iterations of training by now.
I lived for years in Cameron Park and Folsom, and you couldn’t have paid me enough to set foot in Stockton let alone to be a cop there.
Hats off to you.
Thank you SSGT Kane and again please forgive my tone.
And most importantly thank you for your service!
Don’t sweat the tone. This is something we all feel passionate about and its teh interwebz so I don’t take it personally.
Its not like you are threatening to hate fuck me to death with Statan’s thorny dildo or anything.
Ooooooo, are you talking about foreplay 🙂
Stop teasing me.
Date night at your place doesn’t end when the uniforms show up and the handcuffs come out does it?
I take the fifth or drink it.
This sheriff has the responsibility to train his deputies. It seems to me the sheriff’s office in Broward County could possibly be held liable if it can be proven that any training was inadequate.
I suppose it’s possible this situation could fall in the realm of “Deliberate Indifference”, provided the elements were met.
There are folks smarter than I am on these matters, so I’m curious to read their thoughts.
We probably know some of the same people Terrorologist. I retired from SJSO as an FTO before moving on to ICE.
You are trained. Was he? Are you a Broward County Sheriff’s Officer? Did you train the Broward County Sheriff’s Officers? Did you train to go it alone in these situtations?
I’m genuinely curious and not asking because I’m an asshole. I have quite a few New England LEO’s as friends and outside of the guys who’ve taken SWAT courses (many on their own time and dime), the active shooter training they get is power point and a trip to the range. And the contents of those power points has changed over the years from “do not go inside wait for SWAT” (pre-columbine) to “go inside” (post-columbine) to “go inside but don’t go alone” to “assess the situation and enter” (post-Orlando).
I’ve even got to be the bad guy for the Queens PD in New York. Granted that was in 2012, but their single officer training was all about identifying the threat on approach, and confronting that threat before entering the school. All the active shooter response training assumed at least two officers.
But as I admit, that experience is almost six years old, and things change.
So what does your training dictate?
Without going into TTP, you go in without waiting, you go in to stop the threat.
Please forgive my surliness is not directed at you (even though it sounds like it) I just can’t stand people that wear the badge, take the credit and then FAIL through cowardice.
I feel the same way about soilders who wear the uniform and then bail on deployments. But I also hate it when soldiers who do nut up get burned for something they weren’t trained on.
I wouldn’t call him a friend, but I know a cop up herei n our small town and gave him a ring over lunch (he provides security as a part time gig for our church on Sundays).
The way they train it, is that the first two officers go in hard and fast. The first officer can either go, or wait for the second officer, but its his call based on the situation on the ground. If he does go, he has to remainin radio contact, and all that jazz. We are also in a small town, so we don’t have dedicated resource officers, but the typical response time is less than 90 seconds. So the odds of just one officer showing up is very small anyway.
The only comment he was willing to make about the recent shooting is that he’s glad he works up here and not down there.
I replied but it’s awaiting moderation…
The moderation is a result of nothing I did.
You’re correct, in my haste I typed the wrong email addy.
Thank you John.
Maybe it is because your parents named you terror and their name is ologist … just sayin’.
I think part of us old farts’ training is cultural; WWJWD? What would John Wayne Do? Laugh if you must, but there are certainly worse codes to live by.
Up until about the ’60s men were raised to act a bit differently than they are now. Standing around with your finger up your butt while children are being murdered would have been literally unthinkable to any decent, honorable man.
Ok, I’m a former LEO and the answer is yes, you rush in and try to find and eliminate the threat. I’ll second guess the shit out of this guy; he’s an SRO, he knows the protocol and if he wasn’t willing to follow it he should have found another position or job. That’s one of the worst parts of being an LEO, you make millisecond decisions that may be wrong. Tough shit, that’s your job. No he isn’t responsible for anything other than his lack of action, but for that he deserves every bit of scorn he receives. I’ve never been in an “active shooter”, but I’ve run towards the sound of gunfire, fires, fights and a host of other things with a lump in my throat the whole time. This guy is a coward.
I’m with you 3E9…
The guy was a coward and deserves all the scorn he is getting right now…
I’ll second your view Sir.
I know from personal experience that it is not courage that causes one to turn into the gunfire but it is the obligation and duty to one’s charges/friends/teammates. Otherwise, don’t be there in the first place. regards, Alemaster
First, I’ve never run into the gunfire, and please God may I never have to.
I have run to extract someone from a burning car 2x – as a civilian responder. I have crawled into wrecked vehicles as both a civilian and as an EMT-B-trainee to help save lives.
And during my brief career as a school teacher – not able to carry a firearm – I did have a plan to protect “my” kids if the situation required it. (We did have active shooter/escaped convict drills.)
The only motivation I have ever felt is that duty to help a fellow human being – who may or may not be a person I would like in other circumstances.
It is not heroism – it is what one does as a man.
Spot on, GB. Some folks call that “toxic masculinity “. It’s proper name is “doing what’s right”.
This bullshit with Officer Peterson is just mind boggling to me. A LEO with his years of experience, serving as a SRO, HAD to know that one of his duties was the welfare and safety of the students and faculty. He didn’t hear a fucking car backfire several times INSIDE the school. He heard gunfire and as many times as he had been to a range in his career I will bet all I have that he knew EXACTLY what those rifle reports were. But instead of running in and finding the source and threat, he hunkered down outside. Why? For what reason could he possible give to have stayed outside, watching people run past and hearing their comments and screams, and the continued to cover in place. If we changed this scenario to a combat zone, he would have been charged with cowardice under fire. To have allowed his fellow soldiers to be killed while he hid would have brought a shit storm down on him. His boss is as big a coward as he is. He is more about politics and ass kissing and boot licking than serving the community and as far as he is concerned, those 17 dead are just a political headache he has to deal with, more than young lives lost because of a shit stain his department was MORE THAN aware in respect to his danger potential. The school and school board shoulder a shit load of responsibility as well and any parents who are stonewalled in efforts to sue Peterson can more than ream the school system out. To have a kid known to be so fucked up that people are warned to report him if he shows up on campus with a backpack. I mean, how fucked up is that thinking and way of dealing with a problem??? If this asshole was so whacked out that those measures were in place, why was he not fucking expelled, PERIOD? That would not have stopped him from coming to the school and doing what he did but maybe his presence would have been… Read more »
This post was meant to be an individual and new post but I messed up on a page refresh and it ended as part of this. My apologies.
Maybe he thought he was supposed to be a campus MONITOR (like the security officer in the bank in the Lifelock commercial).
That’s plausible. It’s what happen when a sheriff assigns a deputy to sit under the apple tree awaiting retirement. Just a nice, cozy gig–until the shit hits the fan.
Sorry. I was responding to USMCMSgt (Ret)
Also a former cop and was a 3E9. 🙂
Couldn’t agree with you more. I just cannot imagine, no matter how close to retirement you are, not taking action. Any action.
For those not in the know, most street cops probably only have a passing familiarity with the schools in their city. They rely on the SRO to know that school inside and out. Looks like this deputy knew the outside quite well.
Been trying to formulate a cogent response to all this without defending the guy. Still don’t have enough info to want to crucify him, but there are a lot of questions, some of which I’d ask him if given the chance. First unusual thing he hears is the fire alarm then he sees kids exiting the building. He remains outside. Makes sense so far. First gunfire he hears is outside. Would that be maybe 30 seconds or more after the fire alarm? I dunno, but we all know that it takes a bit for even a motivated bunch of folks to get outside. Kids/staff often are not particularly motivated if they do not smell smoke. So far, remaining outside seems like the thing to do. Did he see the shooter? We do not know. He did report a description so that incoming officers would have it. That is good. Somewhere along the way the shooter has moved inside. Does he know which door he used? We do not know. Gunfire is heard inside. Which door should the deputy use to enter the building? We don’t know. Could he get there from where he was? We don’t know. How long has it been since gunfire was heard outside? Reports are that the shooter kept moving. Which door do you breech if the gunfire is first over there then in the opposite direction? I don’t know. Did the report of the shooter entering the building followed by the gunfire inside indicate that he would soon be near the area where the officer had taken cover? Did the deputy have that information? We do not know. We know this deputy did not charge the shooter. Is there an obvious direction he should have charged? Did the shooter know the deputy’s position and take purposeful evasive/confusing action? We do not know. Still want to know more about the four minutes elapsed time from one event to his entering the building. Was that from the fire alarm or from the first shots heard inside the building? I’ve heard both. Maybe it was something else entirely.… Read more »
I agree. Which is why I had my qualifer.
I do have to say though its starting to sound like the guy froze at best, or really was a coward. CNN is currently reporting (via their headline so no link to a story yet) that the officer was given glowing reviews for his caring attitude and solid judgment, and recieved the “School Resource Deputy of the Year” award.
Am sure the families of the dead are comforted by his concern. /sarc
Seriously, though, caring, with no plan of attack, could certainly contribute in a very negative way to freezing instead of doing something to neutralize the threat when he is the only one on scene capable of doing so.
I think his plan was the same as it was last week. Check off a couple more blocks on the calender, watch the retirement pot grow, and get paid.
I am doubting he ever thought, or planned for something like this happening, And when it did.
Well 17 people died.
“Did he see the shooter?” Not if his eyes were closed.
“Does he know which door he used?” See first answer.
“Which door should the deputy use to enter the building?” If he opens his eyes and if he moves toward the sound of gunfire, he takes the nearest door.
“Reports are that the shooter kept moving.” Reports are that deputy kept standing still.
“We know this deputy did not charge the shooter. Is there an obvious direction he should have charged?” Yes, towards the shooter.
“Did the shooter know the deputy’s position and take purposeful evasive/confusing action?” No, because the deputy was hiding behind a pillar and the shooter was bust shooting children.
Don’t disappoint me, OWB. I have been waiting for you to call me a wise ass.
Well, never let it be said that I won’t provide a bit of air cover when you need it.
I have no way of knowing if the miracle of wisdom might be found in your ass, but … you do spew forth the occasional pearl. Perhaps my assumption was in error that the origin of same was farther north.
It’s okay. We are friends enough that you may call me names.
You say, knowing full well that it ain’t no fun at all with your permission to do so. 🙂
So far, the entire LEO industry knows he is a coward, because he failed to go toward the gunfire, close distance and kill the threat!
Acting on imperfect information is part of the job. And most of life. By the time you get “adequate” information, the situation has usually resolved itself.
In this case Peterson had all the information he needed to act; there was someone with a gun shooting people. The obvious thing for any person charged with protecting people to do is to stop the killing as quickly as possible. This would logically involve finding and neutralizing the gunman as quickly as possible, not wait until he ran out of targets or ammo.
Between this guy letting people be killed out of an overgrown sense of caution (to be overly polite) and other cops shooting and killing unarmed people out of an overgrown sense of caution, my respect for LEOs is becoming a bit strained.
That he resigned immediately is quite telling really.
Any officer involved in an incident like this is put on paid leave for a period of time. This case it probably would have been weeks. To cut bait and run causes us to read into a lot of stuff.
That is one of the reasons that you have all this screaming for Gun Control. It is a smoke screen to shield the BCSD and the FBI. The guy who is the leading spokesmonkey right now, his father is an FBI agent. The media is stage managing this whole thing to protect Democrats and the National Police (make no mistake that is what the FBI is) who both supported Hillary.
So all the Sturm Und Drang is to protect their own. They screwed the pooch big time. They let this monster go 39 TIMES!!! 39 TIMES!!! He held a gun to someones head and did not go to jail?!?! How the hell does that happen? But it is all those EVIL AR-15s! EVIL!!! Let’s deflect the F*ck Ups and neglect, it is just the guns fault!
As Jonn pointed out the other day, the police in several parts of the country have stopped several attempted mass shootings. It is a mental health problem. There is no place to put dangerously, deranged indivisuals anymore. Thanks for shutting down the Mental Institutions, Democrats! But why should they worry, gated communites, armed guards, police at their beck and call. The peasants can fend for themselves.
When are these assholes going to stop blaming the THING and start blaming the people who commit these crimes?
Would shine too much light on the fact that the authorites are the ones responsible for all the carnage. That and they can advance their Globalist B*llsh*t Agenda.
Things dont vote.
When Hell freezes over, if it suits their agenda.
Humans die only once, while cowards die a thousand deaths….and rightfully so.
Those JROTC kids had more intestinal fortitude than that POS.
PUSSY!
Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar Act II, Scene II:
“Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
Of all the wonders that I yet have heard,
It seems to me most strange that men should fear;
Seeing that death, a necessary end,
Will come when it will come.—”
Stopping the mass event before it happens isn’t nearly as exciting to the drooling vultures in the media as the actual execution of the mass event. (No offense meant to vultures.)
The media are nothing but ghouls, far worse scavengers than the critters that clean up the dead animals after the predators are done with them. They are as guilty of making this into a horror as the scumbag who used the gun, whether it was at a nightclub in Orlando, FL, or a school in Broward County, FL. They feed off of it the way ghouls feed off the corpses they pull out of graveyards.
If anyone is to blame for creating the real horror, it is them. Look how quickly the news helicopter will find and zoom in on a bad accident, hovering over it as if waiting for blood to come spurting up off the pavement.
They are just as mentally ill as the shooters, and I don’t give a flying fart in space whether anyone agrees with me or not.
They take the whole ‘If it bleeds, it leads’ to a whole new level these days.
This is from 4chan, something I don’t normally go to, saying that the shooter wasn’t arrested, same as other troublemakers were not arrested, because the school was trying to get more federal funding.
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/161640130
Many threads are there to support those claims, which makes some sense regarding the fact that complaints about the shooter were not attended to.
It’s almost as if this was orchestrated to create a crisis like this, but if it’s true then the entire Broward County LEO department needs to have its clock cleaned and scoured out.
We lived in another local town here in our County about six years ago. We lived, three blocks away from an Elementary School, but my kids were bused onto the Indian Reservation. One of my sons was beat up by several Native kids one day at recess, while the Duty was nearby on their cell phone.
I called the school, and talked to a very apologetic Principal, who allowed me to pull my son from that school, and was able to get him enrolled in the one nearby.
While discussing the whole busing thing, the Principal admitted to me that the only reason they were busing non-Indian kids onto the Reservation School (Same School District), was to pump their test scores up to ensure Federal Funding.
So, what you just stated…doesn’t seem very far fetched to me at all.
Things like that is why we homeschooled our own kids until they were old enough to defend themselves.
Some of my grands are homeschooled, some are in public school but trying to get into a private school. A few of the things the ones in public school are “learning” are not in full accord with our desires and their best interests.
That’s the excuse used by schools all over the country. To me it is proof that they little to no concern for student safety. Seriously, they would rather keeps cops out, fail to report crimes, than protect those whose safety they are paid to protect?
Failure to report a crime is a criminal offense in some states. It is way past time for prosecutors to charge school administrators when they commit that crime.
Anyone know if FL is one of those state where this might help?
The Federal Bureau of Indifference sat on their thumbs when called.
The local Sheriff sat on his ass despite nearly FORTY CALLS to the perp’s residence.
They FAILED to report his being committed to the NICS.
Everywhere you look, Government entities FAILED to do what it took to protect people.
The media proglodytes bawl, scream and screech while parading kids in scripted town halls calling for gun control and more Government which failed right and left, giving further proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.
Kudos to Dana Loesch of the NRA for “grace under fire” at the CNN Town Hall meeting. (I just finished watching the video, and I can tell that I wouldn’t have been so nice if I’d been on that stage.) Even Emma “I call BS” Gonzalez was noticeably humbled after Dana was allowed to speak.
One of the most disturbing things about all this is that many of the people screeching against the NRA and law abiding gun owners, do not seem to agree with the principle of an inherent individual right of self defense.
And the means with which to perform sel defense
Of course not. If you can defend yourself it is impossible for them to control you. Therefore they must remove any means by which you can protect your liberty.
This bullshit with Officer Peterson is just mind boggling to me. A LEO with his years of experience, serving as a SRO, HAD to know that one of his duties was the welfare and safety of the students and faculty. He didn’t hear a fucking car backfire several times INSIDE the school. He heard gunfire and as many times as he had been to a range in his career I will bet all I have that he knew EXACTLY what those rifle reports were. But instead of running in and finding the source and threat, he hunkered down outside. Why? For what reason could he possible give to have stayed outside, watching people run past and hearing their comments and screams, and the continued to cover in place. If we changed this scenario to a combat zone, he would have been charged with cowardice under fire. To have allowed his fellow soldiers to be killed while he hid would have brought a shit storm down on him. His boss is as big a coward as he is. He is more about politics and ass kissing and boot licking than serving the community and as far as he is concerned, those 17 dead are just a political headache he has to deal with, more than young lives lost because of a shit stain his department was MORE THAN aware in respect to his danger potential. The school and school board shoulder a shit load of responsibility as well and any parents who are stonewalled in efforts to sue Peterson can more than ream the school system out. To have a kid known to be so fucked up that people are warned to report him if he shows up on campus with a backpack. I mean, how fucked up is that thinking and way of dealing with a problem??? If this asshole was so whacked out that those measures were in place, why was he not fucking expelled, PERIOD? That would not have stopped him from coming to the school and doing what he did but maybe his presence would have been… Read more »
To be clear, he was expelled, which is why he was working on his GED at another school, which I think was part of the conditions for him to stay with the family he was staying with. He had to have a job and had to be getting his GED.
As for the SRO, as much as I want to keep an open mind and blame a lack of training, or unclear policies, or all that other crap, I’m honest enough with myself to admit that its mostly because I saw far too many soldiers get crucified for something they weren’t trained on.
So it always burns me when armchair quarterbacks question the actions of those who put their lives on the line. I mean its easy to say you’d be “that guy” but until you get that chance, you never really know.
But, as more and more is coming out about the SRO, the more and more it seems he was a political animial first, who was looking to ride out his time in a cush and easy job, knew what to say, who to say it to, and recieved high marks from his leadership and awards from his community as a result. Then when it came down to it, he either froze or realized just what a coward he really was.
” question the actions of those who put their lives on the line”
Sorry, but you have to actually have to put your life on the line before the questions become in poor taste.
I am a bit tired of LEOs justifying their sometimes deadly actions by saying “I was in fear of my life” as though their job is the only job around that is dangerous. Tough titty; you took the paycheck, you knew the conditions. Man up and do your job. Or find another one.
Thank you for your reply SSG Kane. I did not know he had been officially expelled.
Though I was never a LEO, I was an Infantryman in combat and saw both valor and cowardice. While you are correct that as far as law enforcement, I am an armchair quarterback. However, as a man who has faced gunfire, I know without armchair quarterbacking that I would move towards the threat and help anyone I could. And in my civilian life, I did ‘get that chance’ you spoke of and I met it and prevented my family from being harmed at the cost of a life. I feel not one bit of remorse, not then and not now.
As far as Peterson is concerned, I know nothing of his training or lack thereof. I do know that as duly sworn peace officer, he had a legal and moral obligation to do something more than not respond. If he made it that far in his career and never had his life on the line, he was fortunate.
Perhaps you are being the advocate for what you believe to be a cooler head. Perhaps the evidence known at this point is not enough for you. I don’t know.
What I do know is this. This police officer, charged and sworn to uphold the law and keep the peace, did neither. The whys and wherefores of it, I don’t give a damned about. His actions were no better than had he not been there. Any action he had taken then, could have saved perhaps even one life. These things rest on him. If he truly has the hubris to think he ‘did his job’ and did it well, then mores the shame upon him.
According to accounts I have read, this same SRO Peterson was contacted in an investigation by Floriduh Dept. of Family and Children of this little cretin, and Peterson refused to provide any information about his multiple problems at the school, including fights with other students.
The deputy should have proceeded to sound of gun fire, closed distance between him and the gunman quickly and stopped the threat.
Immediate action, closing distance and eliminating threat is only course of action for an ongoing active shooter. PERIOD!
The deputy knew that.
He did not do what he was trained to do.
He failed to follow standard protocol for an active shooter situation.
Because of his failure to act, many young lay dead.
He is a coward and should stand to account for his inaction both administratively in his department and possibly in a criminal court as well.
That is all!
Thank you Master Chief. And thank you again!!!
Children, by age, sought to protect and help other children. At least one teacher, a coach, ran towards the shooting bastard unarmed. A law enforcement officer, armed and presumably trained, cowered outside behind a pillar. And that’s about it. When the deputy’s moment of truth came, he failed. And don’t talk to me about waiting until backup arrives and all of the other happy shit I know about. He had to act and he didn’t. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he never did enter the school, even after 20 cops had arrived.
Contrast this with the unanimous response of the “first responders” on 9/11. Or the three UNARMED Americans who took on an armed terrorist on a train in Europe.(https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/europe/france-train-shooting/index.html)
The firemen. The visits to clergy before entering the towers, most to have a final blessing. The god-awful sounds of chirping body alarms from the rubble. It is seared into my memory.;
At least Israel’s troop don’t have “To Protect and Serve” as a motto. That’s a relief. It is proud to be a “progressive” department, whatever the hell that means.
Good point 2/17! Yes being a ‘progressive department’ must carry a lot of pride and associated plaques on the wall and certificates suitable for framing. The only downside is well, it costs lives. But then, everyone’s a winner these days and as long as the SRO Peterson “feels” he did his best, then that’s good enough for the Chief and therefore it’s suppose to be good enough for us.
For proggies, the “feelz” is always the ultimate priority.
And while I’m ashamed of the now-retired guy, I don’t want to overlook the FBI. Nice work all around.
Correct again! The FBI, the school itself, the school board and social services as well as the police.
Now apparently there were FOUR Deputies that never went in.
Yeah and the Coral Springs PD isn’t happy about it. When CSPD arrived, they found that Israel’s deps were all ready there and stationary outside. The CSPD officers went in immediately, with one or more of sheriff’s deputies. The official report is due out next week and I would think Israel better check his 401K now.
The more I hear Atkron, the worse this shit smells. If it is true four officers waited outside and listened to gunfire, then there is some hell to pay. Now or in times to come.
@Atkron,
Link and/or sources, please.
If there was 4 Deputies outside having a circle jerk … .
Google is your friend.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html
It keeps getting worse and worse for that Sheriff. If he had any decency or integrity, he would resign. This is just too many fuckups.
Posted it below. Didn’t see this posting first>
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27523/breaking-cnn-reports-four-broward-county-deputies-ben-shapiro
Turns out it wasn’t one officer with his thumb up his ass, it was FOUR!
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27523/breaking-cnn-reports-four-broward-county-deputies-ben-shapiro
If any of Israel’s deputies have balls, I would guess they are seeking jobs with other departments about now. How would you like to go into harm’s way with these lunkhead as your backup?
Also from the New York Post a couple of hours ago.
Not one but four sheriff’s deputies hid behind cars instead of storming Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School during last week’s school shooting, according to a new report.
Sources from Coral Springs Police Department tell CNN that when officers arrived on the scene, they were shocked to find three Broward County Sheriff’s deputies behind their cars with their weapons drawn.
The school’s armed resource officer, Deputy Scot Peterson was also outside — he resigned Thursday over his failure to act.
The cops entered the building to engage the shooter on their own, and then a new batch of Broward County deputies arrived, and two of those officers — plus an officer from Sunrise, Florida — joined the police inside the building, the sources said.
It’s unclear if the shooter was still inside at the time, CNN reports.
Bad blood has been brewing between the two law enforcement groups ever since the Feb. 14 massacre.
Coral Springs City Manager Mike Goodrum confronted Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel over the incident during a vigil the following day, saying injured kids could have been dying inside the building while the deputies held back, sources tell CNN.
And the next day, Coral Springs Police Chief Tony Pustizzi wrote in an internal memo:
“I understand that another agency has given the impression that it had provided the majority of the rescue efforts, and that the tremendous work of the Coral Springs Police and Fire Departments has not been recognized.”
“Please know that this issue will be addressed, and the truth will come out in time,” he added.
The Coral Springs officers’ experiences will be included in a new report coming out next week, according to the news site.
I see you had already posted my “scoop”
Still,
YGBFSM!
Holy chit!
So if they had active shooter training (and they should have, Columbine was 20 years ago), it obviously wasn’t good training.
And that Sheriff gets on stage with CNN and blasts the NRA. If he wasn’t so representative of the Democratic party, I’d be appalled.
From ABC News:
“The personnel file on Peterson shows he completed multiple training programs as well, including a mandatory firearms training program and special tactical problems training program.”
Well then, the ass hole didn’t learn much.
The title of this thread is “Failures”. I agree that there were many and a lot of responsibility to be handed out. The thread has leaned heavily on Officer Peterson and I have leaned as hard or harder than anyone. I just want all of you to know that I do not forget that the root cause of this thread is a boil on the ass of humanity named Nikolas Cruz. He and he alone killed 17 people and wounded others. It is him I hold responsible for what happened. Absent his heinous crime we would never be considering Peterson or others. Peterson would have retired without anyone believing, suspecting or even considering him to be a coward in the face of his duty. And according to recent news reports, three of his fellow officers at least, failed to perform the duty their own Chief stated that Peterson should have.
So no matter how I think of Peterson and others who did not do their duty, it is Nikolas Cruz who committed these murders.
If my comments or replies have put anyone off, it was not my intention and I apologize. There are strong feelings on this incident and they surface in many places.
Despite my fervor on the topic of this thread, my greatest thoughts and concerns are for the families of those who were killed and those watching over loved ones trying to recovery.
Sure it was Cruz, Sparks, but a combination of apathy, incompetence, political correctness, and cowardice greased his path.
Gee, who could have seen this coming, other than Ray Charles, Helen Keller, and Stevie Wonder, that is. The Big Bad and Tough as Nails Coward Bounty Sheriff’s Department is now weally, weally serious about threats. They arrested a 6th grader today, I believe it was, for making an online threat. Assholes.
Just when I thought this fiasco couldn’t get worse
-no- deputies entered the building, according to CNN. Another department arrived to find -all- of them in defensive positions outside
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html
YGBFSM
Ok. I see I am late to the party.
The freaking wheels are coming off the bus, eh?
Yeah, they are rolling around, every which way. Freakin’ liberal geniuses, one of whom is named Israel. Where I live, his ass would all ready be out. It’s about 85-90% Republican in my county.
Sheriff Israel is a D-rat. Just saw a picture of him posing with the Hildabeast; likely taken during her campaign swing through Floriduh. He was also part of the scheme to conceal crimes committed by jr. & high schoolers by not reporting them, so as not to impair their crime stats.
Okay, so then, in all the hoohaa and wallowing in the blood of those dead and wounded kids, and orchestrating a theatrical obscenity on national TV using more children, we’re going to find that the initial reports of one chickenhearted depitty were a drop in the bucket, and that there is more to come in this malignant travesty?
Just want to make sure I understand everything.
The howling about GUNNZZZ!! BAD!! was bad enough, but this appears to be a massive failure of some other kind. Is that close?
And if so, then CNN’s national obscenity theatrics may possibly backfire on them. Is that in the realm of possibilities?
Don’t toy with me. I could blister their ugly faces right now with my opinion of them.
1 and 2, spot on. 3, I certainly hope so.
Thank you. I’m going to have to take a chill pill or something. Chocolate ice cream sounds good.
The scrambling and chaotic attempts to terrify the general public are what have stirred my anger over this, and the added facts (I hope they are!) that CNN jumped the gun with its townhall assembly of little kids made it worse.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html Perhaps this will come out via some positive investigating by someone like FDLE and the AG’s office
Another factoid I discovered today may have some bearing on this discussion, the school superintendent is originally from Shotcago/Chiraq, and he is of the 0bama persuasion. So, he undoubtedly had a hand in the scheme to not arrest and charge students at this and other schools with crimes, so as to improve their stats and funding.
NRA wants to ban bump stocks.
NRA doesn’t care about bump stocks because nobody who is a real shooter/hunter cares about this stupid novelty item, as it is nothing but an ammo waster.
P.S. Banning them likely won’t do anything crime prevention wise, but some proggies might feelz better. And that is what is important. Then they can tell the dimwits who support and agree with them that they accomplished something on gun “safety,” as they now call gun control.
Hey Geraldo! Jackass! I have ONLY ever shot my deer with my AR-15 and a .223 whitetail round.
EVER. Not “never” you sidewalk cafe feasting jackass. I stock my Families freezer every year with whitetail all from an AR. I use a small magazine just so my 30 round magazine(s) aren’t in the way in the deer blind. Why an AR. It’s ultra comfortable for me to hold a pistol grip instead of a standard bolt action type stock.
So STFU because you are out of touch.
With the reports of up to four broward deputies waiting outside and another agency making initial entry I hope someone is doing up a FOI request before the dashcam and bodycam videos are “lost”.
I’m almost always (>99%) very, very leery of 2d guessing if I wasn’t there, or didn’t have directly applicable 1st hand experience.
Never been an LEO. No idea of their ROEs, etc.
But in the case of the SRO…those kids were *his kids*. He saw them all, every day, for what? 2 or 3 years?
To sit there while you hear an AR being cycled on them – hear them screaming, see/hear/smell the wounded – and he takes up a position of cover outside the building…
FOR MINUTES?
For those lacking experience when it comes to participating in a gunfight – 20 seconds is an *eternity*.
Just leave the cowardly POS a loaded pistol and be done with it. Assuming he’s got the balls (although he very likely doesn’t, but give him the opportunity).
Un-fucking-believable.