Park Service: Please stop leaving your cremains at The Wall

| January 29, 2018

The Washington Post reports that folks leaving the cremated remains of their loved ones at the Vietnam Memorial is happening more often and that it should really stop.

Leaving mementos at the Wall has been a tradition since the polished stone memorial bearing the names of the 58,000 Vietnam War dead was dedicated in 1982.

Hundreds of thousands of letters, photographs, jungle boots, stuffed animals, sculptures, dog tags, college rings, a motorcycle, cigars, a piece of a helicopter rotor blade and human remains have been left.

The artifacts are gathered and stored in the Park Service’s large Museum Resource Center in suburban Maryland. The human cremains are kept in a locked metal cabinet with the windows papered over.

About 70 cremains — some in containers, some scattered — have been left at the Wall over the years, said Folkerts, a curator at the resource center. The first were left in 1990, she said. The most recent appeared several weeks ago.

Almost half of the cremains left at the Wall since 1990 have appeared in the past five years.

Some come in elaborate containers, others in simple baggies or envelopes.

Thirty-one have been left in the past five years, including five in 2017.

Dick Lundskow’s family and friends left two small manila packets there this past Memorial Day. He wasn’t a veteran but was devoted to veterans’ causes, his daughter Angela Childers said, and would have wanted part of him left there.

Some cremains are in wooden, glass or metal urns. Some are in small pill-style boxes. Some are in plastic bags or Tupperware containers, according to a Park Service list.

A 155-mm artillery shell casing said to contain the cremains of a Daniel Dhee Hughes was left in 2006.

An elegant wooden box labeled “Master Gunnery Sergeant Ronald William Looney” was left after he died in 2008. It is adorned with the Marine Corps globe-and-anchor insignia and has an ornate metal clasp.

A silver container labeled “Martin Ranko,” still bears the logo of the Long Island Cremation Co. of West Babylon, N.Y. It was left Veterans Day weekend, 1990.

A small gold cylinder left in May 2011 has a taped-on label, reading:

SFC William R Shales
174th assault helicopter company
Retired 20 years of service
3 tours of Viet Nam
1937 – 2011 Rest in peace.

An envelope containing the cremains of Roger B. Probst Sr. was left June 21, 1991. Someone had written on the envelope: “You finally made it. Enjoy your reunion…”

Many of the containers are not marked with a name, said Laura Anderson, curator for the Mall and Memorial Parks.

“We don’t have a way of knowing if it’s even a Vietnam vet,” she said. “Some of them could be other family members. They could be veterans from other wars .?.?. We don’t know.”

Spokesman Mike Litterst said the remains can’t be added to the Park Service’s official collections.

“We’re not permitted,” he said. “And right now, we don’t have an answer for what to do with these remains. But we do know that they won’t become part of the collections.”

There are signs around the Memorial asking for folks to not leave the earthly remains on the National Mall, but folks ignore the pleas, apparently.

I think it’s odd that the design of the Wall caused a lot of ill-will among Vietnam veterans when the design was first approved, but I guess those feelings have passed over time and the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction recently, so that Vietnam veterans now want to lie in that place for eternity.

Thanks to Chief Tango for the link.

Category: Veterans Issues

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26Limabeans

I was gifted a copy of “Offerings At The Wall”
many years ago. I do not recall getting all the way through it yet. Someday.

ISBN 1-57036-174-6 1st EDition 1995

FuzeVT

That is an awesome book – I have it, myself. I understand what you mean. I seem to remember the letter of a daughter of one of the guys on the wall who was writing her father about his grandson.

https://www.amazon.com/Offerings-Wall-Artifacts-Veterans-Collection/dp/1570360677

BigHead Tom

I have the same book and I usually flip to a random page and go from there. That usually lasts for only a couple of pages. Someday.

2/17 Air Cav

I was in D.C. when The Wall was being built and walked by the site most evenings as it developed. I remember the slabs of black granite in their wooden crates. Somewhere around here I have a program from its dedication. As for leaving ashes of Veterans at The Wall, um…ah…I think I got nothing.

Edwin Galloway

I’d say at that point they got no place left to go; and someone just dropped them off.

Zero Ponsdorf

Initially I was one of those upset about the “Black Gash of Shame”, but after visiting there a time or two that passed.

Although I am, by definition, a Vietnam Veteran I did nothing to earn a spot there so I’ll pass and join those rightfully there for a beer elsewhere.

FuzeVT

I wonder how much the Lee Teter painting “Reflections” had on the changing of people’s minds. That was painted only a few years after the wall was opened. I’m 45 so I couldn’t say, but I think it would have had an impact – it is still a very beloved painting by many.

https://www.vietnamreflections.com/contents/view/reflections

Zero Ponsdorf

That painting is certainly remarkable but for me just seeing The Wall and walking there is moving.

Thing is… I came home.

Wilted Willy

I’m glad they at least have something? Maybe they should have planned for such things? May God Bless all that served. Rest in Peace Warriors.

Just An Old Dog

I have some plans for my ashes. The Bloody Angle at Spotsylvania Battlefield and The IT Pt and MCRD San Diego.
That way when those little bald headed bastards that join the Corps get thrashed they will be breath me in.
I will be in the Corps Forever.

Sapper3307

I did a PGR mission for a Marine that had his ashes placed in a 50 cal ammo can he brought home from Vietnam.

Cobrakai99

Why do I think more than a few of the remains left at the wall are “veterans” that can’t be buried in a veterans cemmetary because they were “super secret” or their records were “lost in the fire.”

Mason

That’s a good point. Anyone with service in Vietnam should qualify for a national cemetery in their state.

Heck, my uncle qualified as a “Vietnam-era” vet and he was in the USAF for less than two years, ending in ’63, and was an OTH discharge and left as an Airman 3rd Class.

Chris

How messed up is it that the dead (who may, or may not have been veterans) can’t get a decent burial but are instead deposited like so much litter? If you care so little for your loved one that you drop off their cremains for other people to clean up, maybe you shouldn’t have claimed the box of ashes from the crematory in the first place.

Also, shame on America for fetishizing military service to the point of making the Wall the stage for performance art acted out by people too weak-willed to themselves serve.

HMC Ret

“…performance art acted out by people too weak-willed to themselves serve.”

Roger that. I imagine there is a lot of soul searching there by those who wish they had served but didn’t. Some have really valid reasons; others simply couldn’t be bothered. Not all can/should serve; I get it. But don’t go to The Wall hoping for absolution from those who stepped up if your reason for not joining was that you couldn’t be bothered. And you posers, don’t invent a career which involves your being a Vietnam Vet.

HMC
Vietnam ERA Vet

AnotherPat

Everyone has different sentimental reasons as to where they want their cremated remains to be retained or buried.

Had someone in their Will ask that I take their cremated remains to Israel and scatter them on Israel’s soil without thinking the time, cost, effort in doing that or living $$$$ to execute that mission.

I buried the remains in a local VA Cemetary. Had to buy an urn because of city ordnances.

The Washington Post story touched on efforts made by others to fulfill Veteran’s wishes to have their cremated remains left at the Wall. However commendable, I can understand why the Park made the rules that they did. The Wall is not a cemetary to “interred” cremated remains…and with the Baby Boomers getting older and serving in Vietnam now becoming more popular thanks to movies and documentaries and the publics positive views on our Military, am afraid that in the next 10-20 years, the Wall may be overwhelmed with more remains with inadequate storage space, that is, if this trend continues.

OWB

Don’t particularly like seeing all the doodads left there but leaving human remains at the Wall? That is just creepy. And rude.

Cpl/Major Mike

A last request is a last request, and nobody has anything but a hunch that some are not Vietnam Vets, but the last fucking place I’d like to be left or scattered would be in Washington DC.

borderbill (a NIMBY/BANANA)

——betcha there’ll be more comments on this.

Roy Goldammer

a last wish to be with their Brothers!!!…

akpual

They could be buried at a national cemetery with their brothers.

2/17 Air Cav

Leave my ashes in a shoe box at Langley. Make sure the box is labeled, *10 DD. The guards at the gate will know what to do. And don’t ask me any questions about this. It’s classified–highly classified. Thanks.

akpual

will do

Jorge

I want to have mine TDU’d at longitude <> during a Blue Nose ceremony. That would be great. Don’t mind if there is some leftover canned pig and baboon ass in there with it. 😉

Jorge