Yeah, I Think We Can Handle This….
The following is a link to ABC’s news story about US/Japan/South Korea joint air bombing exercise held on Wednesday, 08-31-2017.
The explosions indicate that the precision was quite good. I would not want to be on the receiving end of that stuff. Watch the video, enjoy the still shots and the article.
Now for the real question: what to do about that Fat Basterd?
Of course, CNN, the clowndog news network, is suddenly awash in self-importance and expertise on this subject, because they all know so much more about what is going on than the White House does. They’re handing out advice as if they think someone’s asleep at the switch. http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/31/opinions/north-korea-deterrence-opinion-cordesman/index.html
Not likely.
It’s apparent that they seriously underestimate Pres. Trump, and do not have a clue about his capability. But then, none of them have ever had to run a business in their lives. All they do is read copy they didn’t write, gossip over Mrs. Trump’s shoe, and sit on their butts. But now, well – they’re experts. I’m just waiting for them to trip over their own feet.
Excuse me while I fall off my chair laughing.
Enjoy the bombing run videos. There are probably more to come. From what little I’ve seen so far, it appears that Fatty Kim da T’ird is upset with our display of arrogant bombing practice.
Category: North Korea
We should put a pair of missile frigates off their coast and use their bottle rockets for target practice. Catch them on the rise.
Remember how they kept the F-117 Stealth Fighter hidden away until DS/DS and the B2 until they decided to show it? I wonder if we aren’t already using fatty ‘lil Kim-Cheese’s missiles for target practice with some system(s) that’s(are) still TS/SCI Classified?
I couldn’t find the video I wanted to use to express my opinion of CNN’s self-importance last night, but found one this morning. If Sir Fart Strangely shows up to comment here, would you all kindly nail him for me? Thanks. Here’s the video.
gotta admit, some of the zoomie’s toys are cool as hell.
PH-2, What don’t you like about Cordesman’s piece? He is calling for the US to make it unequivocally clear that any use of nuclear weapons against the US, our interests, or our allies will be met with an immediate and overwhelming response to include nuclear weapons. Think of it this way: You are armed with a pistol with a high capacity magazine, walking down the street with two friend armed with knives. A mugger with a knife in one hand and a single shot derringer jumps out of the shadows and threatens your friends. You coolly take aim at his head with your pistol. What is the mugger going to do? Who will prevail in this confrontation? The worst case scenario for you is one of your friends is shot and maybe stabbed, and you have to explain to the police why you killed a guy outside Dunkin Donuts. It is in the robbers best interest to stay in the shadows. That is essentially what the Trump administration is saying. The dPRK made a mistake when it entered the nuclear club because it changed the calculus against them. Conventionally, they were an existential threat to the ROK, but did not really pose a real threat to the US. The deck was stacked in their favor- all players knew that while the US would ultimately prevail, it was in our best interest to avoid conflict while the dPRK had something to gain from a conventional war. We would suffer thousands of casualties and still have to clean up whatever remained of both North and South. With nukes they pose a catastrophic but not existential threat to the US. If they launch a nuke at us, the ROK, or Japan, we are justified in simply ending their existence, and the whole world knows it. Neither the Chinese or the Russians can or will do anything about it because we also pose an existential threat to them. Kim is not crazy or naive. He is weird, but his moves make perfect sense when you consider that his one and only goal is regime… Read more »
Sorry to be late responding to your question. Here is my answer: 1) – having a bigger or nastier weapon does not mean that it will be effective in a specific area. 2) – knowing your enemy’s or competition’s behavior – studying the subject, looking for patterns – gives you an advantage that he doesn’t have 3) – Kim Jong-Un is all about getting attention, and ‘showing us’. He is a bully, born and bred. He can only maintain his status by killing anyone who even looks funny at him, but he can’t do that abroad, hence the strutting and displays and threats 4) – In the extremely rugged terrain of North Korea, a nuclear weapon would be far less effective than conventional weapons, but as 11Bmailclerk points out here: http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=74383#comment-3032569, the distractions of weekly and sometimes daily missile tests and verbal threats from DPRK are a front for Kim Jong-un’s other activities in the regard to hardened underground shelter. Taking all of that into consideration, bombing practice on our side of the coin is an acknowledgement that yeah, we noticed Fatty kim’s rocket science experiments. B-U-T: he has not done any more than launch some birds downrange, and those most recent failed in midflight or failed to reach the desired test range. His nuke testing is all underground and can only be detected by seismometers which have been in place since he restarted his nuclear program. In addition, Pres. Trump made a public statement, something about fire and fury, when DPRK threatened Guam, more than a week ago, which was derided by CNN’s newsies when it was released. CNN is, therefore, 10 days late and about 100 dollars short, as if they just woek up to what is going on in the world. Furthermore, CNN’s article follows ON THE HEELS of other news releases about the joint air group bombing exercises, which means they are scrambling to catch up. Now, if you didn’t see any of that stuff, I did post an article about Guam after that threat, and Jonn has also posted many articles about North Korea’s tinpot… Read more »
“3) – Kim Jong-Un is all about getting attention, and ‘showing us’. He is a bully, born and bred. He can only maintain his status by killing anyone who even looks funny at him, but he can’t do that abroad, hence the strutting and displays and threats”
EXCEPT for when fatty ‘lil Kim-Cheese had his brother killed via a couple of hookers with some nerve agent. As to his antics, I’m sure he’s expecting some attention and cash like what his daddy got from the Clintons and he’s having continued shit fits because the Trump Administration as well as China, Russia and the United Nothing isn’t giving him jack shit, he’s basically a spoiled child in charge of a starving hermit kingdom!
Red devil
That sounds nice
The only problem is nuclear fallout
The South Koreans, Chinese and Japanese will all be angry over the inevitable radioactive cloud
The Philippines, Russians, heck even the Thais could be affected
It could even drift across the ocean to California
Even airbursts will release some radiation
I understand the U.S. no longer stocks neutron bombs
A massive nuclear strike on North Korea will have major international
repercussions
We will likely have to retaliate with conventional weapons
The DPRK has been tunneling like crazed badgers, for decades. They have a large percentage of their critical infrastructure drug into mountain ranges. Many of the excavations are into granite, which is very tough material.
To attack such items with nuclear weapons will require a large number of surface-burst and subsurface-burst weapons. Those tend to produce hideous levels of highly-radioactive fallout.
Sure. We can extinguish the entirety of the DPRK if we want. We will also kill a whole bunch of neighbors.
Breaking that regime will take more conventional weapons and forces, the old-fashioned way, unless we are willing to unleash a regional apocolypse.
If -we- get nuked, the “Apocalypse” option would likely deter future stupidity. But it wil be difficult to wash that much blood off the national hands.
I would -hope- we can defuse the DPRK situation, before it metastisizes further. It should be the goal. But if we -have- to solve it by military means, then we had better do so soon.
Had to break a personal commitment ( never talk politics or religion on the job) the other day at work. Had a female co-worker ( a”low information” individual) the stated ” Trump’s going to mess around and get us into another war”. I replied ( and wanted to but did not begin with “Look you stupid bitch”) Kim Jong Un is the one that wants to reignite the war”. And she replied with “Who?”
EX-PH2, Cordsman is sure as shit more of an expert on international security than you are, and more than Trump is. He is a generally a popular right leaning analyst and security adviser so I was surprised when I clicked on the link he was the author of the piece you were calling out. After reading the piece I cannot figure out what your issue is with it. It seems to be exactly the kind of piece that you and other members of this board would like; It seems that you do not like it because it was on CNN and he implicitly criticizes Trump. Guess what; the validity of an INFORMED opinion on national security policy should be evaluated on the merits of the ACTUAL OPINION. Not on whether it agrees with Trump. And like ALL of you blog posts about North Korea you never actually say anything of substance, or demonstrate any knowledge of the area. You criticize his position on NK but this is what you offer as your “analysis”: “It’s apparent that they seriously underestimate Pres. Trump, and do not have a clue about his capability. But then, none of them have ever had to run a business in their lives. All they do is read copy they didn’t write, gossip over Mrs. Trump’s shoe, and sit on their butts. But now, well – they’re experts. I’m just waiting for them to trip over their own feet. Excuse me while I fall off my chair laughing.” Does anyone have a clue about Trump’s capability to manage the Korean threat? So far Mattis has had to walk back or DIRECTLY contradict every major statement the president has made on this issue. Does running a business prepare you to manage the North Korean threat? How does it do that? What successful business has Trump ever run? Most of his businesses failed. And his “success” comes from ripping off investors, customers, and employees, and contractors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM3rBuFVJGg There are HUNDREDS of testimonials like this. How are these analysts going to “trip over their feet”? They are giving their INFORMED opinion… Read more »
I see you truly enjoy babbling to make yourself feel intellectual and important. now back to your coloring books!
He can’t. He ate all the crayons already, and Mommy won’t let him have any more. They make him constipated.
Commissar,
You could have simply refuted point-for-point, and taken the high ground in the process. Instead, you made your usual ineffective anger-post. Then, of course, you treated us to another helping of “TRUUUUUUUMP!!!!”
So if you wonder why people keep dumping on you, go look in a mirror.
She brought up Trump in her article. Her primary reason for writing her article was that the author of the piece has implicitly criticized trump by explicitly criticizing the “fire and fury” rhetoric.
She did not really make any points. She just scoffed and dismissed an actual expert because she assumed that the expert has no idea how capable Trump is.
And you went all “TRUUUUUUUUMMMMPPP!!!!” again.
Bor-ing……
OKAY Babbles McButthead, back to your UC Berzerkely Safe Space with the coloring books and Play-Doh!
Incorrect, Lord Lickspittle, you imbecilic excuse for a cheap date.
I offered the links to the news stories instead of just REPEATING what was IN THEM. I let people make up their own minds about something, instead of lecturing them on how to think and what to say, unlike you.
Tell us, Sir Fart Strangely, are you going to castigate Jonn Lilyea, who frequently provides links to articles, and also makes snarky remarks to lead into them? Are you? If not, why not? Fair is fair, you know. You either do it to everyone, or you shut your useless, slovenly, ignorant yap and start your own blog, Baron Assholio.
If you don’t like my style, then don’t read my columns. No one’s forcing you to do so, you know. You are, by God, the laziest, most self-centered and uninformed jerk I have run into in a long time.
Like.
Oh, you’re sober today?
Oh, I see that Sir Fart Strangely did finally crawl out of his nutsack and appear in public. I’m disappointed that there is no highlighted power point presentation to refute my lighthearted approach to reporting the news from Norkiland. Apparently, like the fool he is, Sir Fart Strangely thinks that no one but HE is an expert in anything, including photography and digital versus film imaging. However, he does not understand anything at all, not does he like women who are uppity enough to speak their minds. What a sad statement Sir Fart Strangely makes about himself in that regard. He REALLY hates me, you know. But since CNN’s so-called analysts are now chiming in several weeks after the Norks’ direct threat toward Guam, which they couldn’t find on a map without a GPS, they are presenting themselves as laggards, not just slow on the uptake but 10 days late and 100 dollars or more short of the mark. What does running a business have to do with any of this? Well, to quote someone else who brought her country out of bankruptcy and made it one of the most powerful countries in the world, despite the opposition of every conniving man in Britain and in Europe: I give you this charge, that you shall be of my Privy Council and content yourself to take pains for me and my realm. This judgement I have of you that you will not be corrupted with any manner of gift and that you will be faithful to the State, and that without respect of my private will, you will give me that counsel that you think best; and, if you shall know anything necessary to be declared to me of secrecy, you shall show it to myself only and assure yourself I will not fail to keep taciturnity therein. And therefore herewith I charge you. That was Elizabeth I’s statement to her Privy Council. She made her expectations as clear as a bell from the beginning. That is what Pres. Trump did, and why so many have been shown the door: they… Read more »
CNN? I consider them about as trustworthy as the Nooh Yawk Slimes or the Washedallup [Com]Post, both irrelevant liberal propaganda rags. They bawl about what FLOTUS is wearing while failing to report that POTUS gave $1 million of his own money to the recovery effort. Oh wait, then they’d have to acknowledge that the likes of the Clintons, Kerry, and other filthy rich pols as well as the likes of Antifa and BLM haven’t contributed SHIT.
CNN is hosting the article, but it wasn’t written by one of their reporters, it was written by Tony Cordesman. He’s worth listening to, and has been quoted by Fox News plenty of times, too, if CNN isn’t your cup of tea.
And President Trump did something very, very good by donating $1M. And CNN did cover it – it was front page yesterday when I first saw it:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/31/politics/trump-donation-harvey-texas/index.html
Just because a news network is sometimes shit doesn’t mean everything they do is shit.
LC, if CNN presents it, I cannot take it as anything more than a bunch of latecomers trying to look like they know what’s going on.
Cordesman made some good points, but unless WE or China or Japan, or all three, are directly attacked, as happened with the USS Pueblo, it is best to let the Norks take the first and most fatal step.
If you think that my snarky approach to the Norks and Fatty Kim is too dismissive, you don’t understand anything at all.
I hadn’t commented one way or the other on your position; I simply pointed out to API that it wasn’t Wolf Blitzer or Andersoon Cooper who penned the article, it was a guy with some real expertise and experience in these areas, and is worth listening to… despite being posted on CNN’s website.
Okay, I understand that, BUT when CNN has to hire someone like Cordesman to make themselves look timely and relevant, they know that they are failing badly and scramble to catch up. This is why I can’t take them seriously at all.
My resources are sometimes biased, but I can sort through all the news sources available to find a report that is simply stating facts, not giving opinions, and thereafter look for opinion pieces that make some sense.
You must understand that when Walter Cronkite, THE most trusted journalist in the US, admitted that he lied about what was going on in Vietnam, he was no longer trustworthy as a news source, period.
In my own view,CNN is at the point of desperation. As I said in my earlier response, their approach to news about Trump was to treat anything he did as trash, instead of just reporting. Therefore, they cannot be trusted as a news source, even if they bring in someone like Cordesman. They are scrambling to cover their mistakes.
Ex, first off, I enjoy reading your posts as well as following your battles with the DRG and Lars so I am not trying to get snarky or anything BUT I have to ask you one question – do you feel the same way about Fox News? For eight years the shrilling voices at Fox ran down President Obama and everything he did. They treated anything he did as trash, instead of just reporting. Just like MSNBC did during President Bush’s two terms, with their incessant coverage of Cindy Sheehan and her pathetic attempts to garner her whole 15 minutes of fame before flaming out.
Let’s call these cable news shows what they are – entertainment, basically like wrasslin’. They play to the audience, be it the pointy headed liberals who watch MSNBC, or the mouth breathers who watch Fox, or whatever one would call people who can stomach CNN.
Honestly, I don’t take any of them seriously anymore because the cable news shows do little more than pander to certain segments to drive advertising revenue so they can get fat paychecks. It’s entertainment with little to do with actual reporting. All spin, no substance.
I am not punching at you, just pointing out that if you look at them for what they really are, wrasslin’ by people in suits pandering to a viewing segment, then what they do and why becomes very clear. At least it does to me.
even when they says in “news” it’s still wrasslin’ for a viewing segment..
No argument from me, W2. I noticed the same things you did, asked myself why Sheehan was more important than what is really going on in the world, and were we going to see a throwback to the 1960s? And I’ve trashed Obama, too, you know, because I thought he was an completely incompetent ass. I realized a while back that with all the news channels, it is never about anything except ratings. For example, the death of Diana Spencer in a car accident in Paris 20 years ago was dwelt on for weeks, and all of those news networks ran with it again and again, and now, they’re in the 20-year anniversary. They’ve almost chewed it to rags by now. If you look at it from a distance, she had a bad marriage with a cheating husband, two children and did a lot of good things, and she was killed by a drunk driving the car she was riding in. And yet the very people who are lionizing her now were picking at every fault she had, including snooping into her phone calls. This isn’t anything new. They all do it. It’s only the subject that changes. I haven’t watched TV news in a very long time. The local station I get online doesn’t get into this personality nonsense. There is a political discussion program by that same station, but it isn’t online and I only see that reporter when the station asks him for an opinion piece. This particular station did not say a single word about Mrs. Trump or her shoes, for instance. They simply relayed a video of Trump’s meeting with the USCG in the flood zone in Texas. That’s all a news organization should do. So when ANY national news network that runs 24 hours a day and focuses on stupid stuff, and then scrambles to cover itself by hiring someone to do an op-ed for them that doesn’t jive with their usual clatter, I’m rightfully suspicious of their motivation. That does include Fox News. I have gotten more and better general news out of… Read more »
I am down with everything you said here Ex. I too am so sick of the spin.
LC, Trump has made “pledges” to donate $1M to Hurricane victims in the past and did not do it.
He pledged to donate to Hurricane Sandy.
He also made claims about donating to veterans and then did not and only did when the press shamed him for lying months later.
Additionally, the press will likely not let him get out of this pledge. So he will likely at least get his charity to give up $1M. However, has not donated to his own charity for almost a decade so that money is not his. It is donor money.
President Trump ALSO personally paid for and donated multiple truckloads of relief supplies for the Louisiana floods. HOW many donations toward this relief cause have we heard about from the likes of the Clinton Initiative as well as BLM or Antifa? John “Lurch” Kerry, yet another mega-millionaire?
Sorry for the slow response. To be honest, I didn’t thoroughly read all responses. Here it is in a nutshell:
Forget for a moment that there are nukes involved. Think of it as an ability to hurt vice the ability to kill. Kim can hurt the US, but he cannot kill us. In fact he can’t measure how much he hurts us- it’s either all or nothing. neither option will destroy us or prevent us from responding.
On the other hand, we can scale our response all the way from minor damage to complete obliteration.
But there are nukes involved. Look at the worlds experience with nukes. Only one nation has waged nuclear war- us. We did it swiftly and without mercy to protect our interests. And we demanded unconditional surrender.
We also waged a Cold War- in that war, we faced an enemy that could obliterate is- neither of us could count on surviving a first strike, so we both knew that if the other launched we would both destroy not only each other but much of the world. The result was detente- both of us realized that it was in our self interest to avoid a war, so we improved relations. Go watch War Games.
Korea isn’t like that. If the North uses their only option to hurt us, we will destroy them. Sure, their UGFs will make this hard, but remember that they are already starving
In other words, Kim fucked up and is fighting our kind of war. He has no favorable outcome.
This time the 20 million inhabitants of both Seoul and Tokyo will get a vote and I am pretty sure they’re not too concerned with President Trump and his twitter flames of the great successor. Yeah, The ROK’s, JASDF and USAF did some bombing runs, but when push comes to a shove and shit gets real in Seoul and Tokyo, then we’ll find out what everybody’s appetite for carnage really is. As long as the CHICOM’s fear a nuclear armed (once they roll up NorK’s and capture the nukes), US friendly ROK sitting across the Yalu more that they fear the implosion of NorKland and what’s left of the starving populace streaming across the borders into NE China there will be the current status quo on the peninsula, regardless of what anybody says on twitter or how many bombing runs get made.
Wow, the population of the greater Seoul and Tokyo metropolitan areas is almost 63 million people. That’s like potentially having almost 1/5 of the US population already in danger from the NorK’s.
Yep, Seoul is well within range of NK rockets and artillery, the opening salvos would shed a lot of innocent civilian blood.