ANZMI is a bunch of meanies
Our friends at Australia and New Zealand Military Imposters (ANZMI) were scrutinized in an article at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) entitled “Website outing people with ‘fake service records’ raises concern in veteran community“. ANZMI does about what we do, I don’t think they use actual government documentation to prove their phonies are liars, but they do track down their service histories. They claim they’ve never been wrong in the hundreds of cases that they’ve exposed.
ANZMI has shared a few of their busts with us from time to time.
The article discusses a single case and they interview a homeless advocate;
He points to one particular case of a man he said suffered major trauma during a period of seven years serving in the Australian Defence Force.
“[He] unfortunately wore one medal on an Anzac Day I believe that he was not entitled to wear,” he said.
“He acknowledged to ANZMI that he’d done the wrong thing, he wrote a very detailed and heartfelt apology.”
ANZMI named him on their website anyway, and Mr Devereux said as a result the man was ostracised by the veteran community.
Mr Devereux said the report also caused him to be fired and kicked out of his accommodation.
“Over the past two years he has contacted me at least five times when he’s been suicidal and indeed ready to take his own life,” he said.
“And invariably the first thing he points to is as soon as you Google his name, the first thing that comes up is the ANZMI post.”
Mr Devereux said he did not want the site shut down, but change was needed.
I’d ask Mr Devereux what changes should be made? Shame and Google are the only weapons that we have in this war against frauds and liars who manipulate political opinions, hapless victims, the telling of history with their lies. Most prosecutors won’t touch a stolen valor case, so the only way we have to stop the fraud is public shaming and Google results. If folks don’t want to be shamed, they should stop pretending.
The ANZMI spokesman responds to the criticism;
Ultimately, the ANZMI said it blamed the subjects of its reports for any fall-out.
“It’s like a person blaming the police for them going to jail,” Mr Trueman said.
“It’s not the actions of ANZMI that have got them in the position that they’re in, it’s their lives and their actions.”
We stand with our brothers at ANZMI
Category: Veterans Issues
*AAAAWWWWW!*, the poor widdwe marshmallow-headed pus-nuts Sparkle Pony of a DINGLEBERRY is huwt because his bullshit con game waas discovered and brought out into the daylight. AS TO the poser I say FA’ KHEEM!
So, the guy has been ostracized for being a liar?
Well then – don’t lie! See how easy that is?
A key point that the embellisher didn’t get. Yes, he wrote a heartfelt detailed apology… After he got caught. It took his getting caught, and potential shaming on the internet, to cause him to do the heartfelt apology.
He didn’t do this out of sincerity, he was sorry he was caught, and he was trying to prevent his information from being shown on the website.
This shows lack of integrity on his part. If he didn’t wear something, or claim something, that wasn’t true, but lead others to believe that he did or experienced something that he didn’t, and that lead them to see him a certain way that lead to them acting towards him a certain way, he wouldn’t have had this issue.
He made the decision to wear something he wasn’t entitled to, for the purpose of causing others to see him a certain way… By extension, to treat him a certain way. No honesty, no integrity. This is just the surface, what else is he lying about, what else is he hiding? This would be a legitimate concern of the group that fired him from his position.
When these phonies continue to point to their outing on a website, for something that they did, intending to demonize the website, these phonies and embellishers show that they continue to not learn their lesson.
The best thing for them to do, after getting busted and exposed, is to not even fight their exposure, or even to demonize the website that exposed them. They should’ve known better.
Not doing what they’re supposed to do risks negative consequences.
Assclown made the decision to lie about his service and got caught – now he’s all butt hurt about it.
WAAAAA-FUCKING-WAAAAAA!
From their website, “IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH, IT BECOMES PART OF YOUR PAST, IF YOU TELL A LIE IT BECOMES PART OF YOUR FUTURE”
“The Veteran Community” has concerns? Ya, right. How disingenuous can a statement get? It should read something like, “A very small fraction of a percentage of the Veteran Community…”.
Exposing Stolen Valor and Embellished Claims of military service for recognition or personal gain is overwhelmingly supported by “The Veteran Community”.
Shoving a cell phone into someones face and screaming “Stolen Valor” is no way to go about doing it. Sites like theirs and ours provide a venue in which the general public can have concerns properly investigated and reported.
This idea that we should sit quietly while Stolen Valor and embellishments go on because a person doing it might harm themselves if exposed, is utter nonsense.
The handful of detractors offer no viable alternative that will address the issue.
It is always easy to scream about something from the cheap seats.
It’s the MSM trying to spin an issue… and they are probably jealous that sites like this, Military Phonies, ANZMI and untold others do a better job of vetting than they do.
shit, the tin-foil hat brigade and Ned’s Second Grade Primer do a better job than the MSM. Can you hear me, Blumenthal?
I might add that some people in this effort have very valid reasons for staying anonymous.
A few of us have no fucks to give.
The most recent angst response came this week from someone indirectly related to a faker. Stepdaughter, I think. She was quite annoyed/upset that anyone could expose someone for lying about his service. I wonder if she’s changed her mind.
The real problem with the fakers is that they have little to zero imagination.
If, for example, you imagine yourself a heroic figure of some kind, why not invent one completely, go buy a bunch of gedunk ribbons at a surplus store, get some ribbon trims at a fabric shop – they’re all over the place – and make up your own awards? Then you can have all the doodads you want and no one will know what they are, or argue with you. And you can go to some event like a Star Trek Con or World Con, where everybody dresses up like space aliens and tell all the tall tales you want to.
If you’re talking about the step-daughter of a certain phony Marine from Florida whose apology was full of weasel words that never really addressed the lies- oh, very much has her opinion changed. She’s still pissed- but she’s pissed at the lying piece of shit, not those who outed the liar.
Good to know.
Yes, that was the one, and I do believe there was a change of heart on her part.
However, my suggestion about making up heroic stories still stands. The costumes at Dragon Con are amazing stuff.
If we’re going to talk about posers, there are seven cities/towns in Greece which claim Homer as their own. Since Homer was the first bard to have the entire epic story of the Iliad transcribed to written language to make it available to everyone, it’s entirely possible that he either knew seven bards who told those heroic tales, or he took seven epic tales from those cities, memorized them, and turned them into the only version that was recorded in writing. And there was more than one war against the city of Ilium, which adds to the mix.
A time machine would provide the answer to that.
There isn’t much that can be done to remedy the disgrace once one makes the Google Hall of Shame. Maybe the posers should think through their actions to its conclusion prior to undertaking their ploy. But, I don’t believe rational thinking is involved with these people.
I cringe thinking being outed would cause one to commit suicide, but what are we to do about it? I look at what Jonn and others do almost as a public service. Some of the drivel that comes from them after being outed is absolutely hilarious. I don’t know which bothers me more: The ones who were boot camp washouts who write of their heroic exploits; Those who embellish an honorable career; Those who never served who rock the lie. I’m leaning toward those who got bounced in boot but that changes over time depending on the specific story line.
I think that for me, it depends on what they gain or attempt to gain with their lies. The more their lies damage others (including taxpayers) financially or emotionally, and the more they personally benefit from their lies, the more of a hardline stance should be taken against them.
The ones who do nothing more than write a book that is so poorly written it never sells, meh. The ones who rock the lie for decades, scamming hundreds of thousands of dollars from multiple people and leaving heartbreak and pain in their wake, should be punished accordingly.
I really doubt a sociopath that is so narcissistic to claim to be a veteran when he is not, would want to off himself…I mean, he is to “important” to society to off himself!! imo
Well, that was some bleeding-heart, “victimless crime” crap right there. Y’know, I occasionally find myself wondering what would happen if, roughly two millennia ago, some grizzled, scarred-up Legionaries were out and about on their soft time on the streets of Rome, and they came across some dickwad telling people how he singlehandedly held off the entire Carthaginian horde, personally defeated elephant-mounted Hannibal on foot, and taught Scipio Africanus everything he knows. I imagine those veteran legionaries wouldn’t take kindly to such bullshit and, Rome being Rome, bloodshed would likely ensue.
That “I only wore one little ribbon I wasn’t supposed to, is about as believable as “I swear I only had one beer, Ossifer.”
How about those wearing ribbons/medals to ‘honor the service of a friend/relative’ who was wounded/killed in the Viet of The Nam/Iraq/Korea/etc. Yeah, I don’t believe that crap for a second. They are trying to impress others with stolen valor, whether they are wearing ‘only’ the NDSM, The Navy Cross or 25 medals. They live for that few seconds of admiration that comes from others and revel in being told ‘thank you for your service’.
Bottom line is they are valor thieves who are using oxygen I might some day need.
STOP BREAKIN THE LAW ASSHOLE!
(from movie LiarLiar)
I’ve been reading the ANZMI site for a fair few years now. I check it pretty regularly; there’s even one or two blokes I served with on it.
Every so often they get some flack, apparently from ‘the veteran community’; but it’s always some abstract reference to the ‘veteran community’ made by a journalist, usually talking to the actual offenders and their close mates. The majority of veterans agree with ANZMI and what they do.
AMEN
Turkey recently destroyed the Australian monument at Gallipoli. Just to a prick.
Seriously? Fucking assholes. Fuck them, too!
That’s ONE out of how many? ONE. So ANZMI should quit doing what it does, or change it’s entire way of doing things because ONE guy is suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune?