Free Speech; Berkeley Style
The University of California, Berkeley’s Chancellor and chief of police both refused to acknowledge any wrongdoing, or even mistakes, in their response to last week’s riots on campus.
Chancellor Nicholas Dirks defended his school’s response to the violent riots, arguing that they in no way hurt the prestigious university’s reputation of protecting First Amendment rights on campus.
Diversity is written all over that banner of mostly un-hooded folks.
“I don’t think we’ve been tarnished at all. In fact, I have been hearing from people across the country that we have indeed honored our tradition and that we have been exemplary in terms of our commitment to freedom of speech,” Dirks explained, criticizing “representations of what happened here” that he feels disregarded or misrepresented the facts to portray Berkeley as a hostile environment for free speech.
Threats of violence is the pillar of our democracy and very foundation of free speech according to Berkeleyism.
“There are lots of representations of what happened here that I think are being driven by political agendas that have no particular regard for the evidence that is part of this or any of the facts or truth that surrounds it,” he asserted.
Is that a hammer and sickle?
Throughout the interview, both Dirks and UC Berkeley Police Department Chief Margo Bennett refused to place any blame on the school for “not doing enough to enable the speech to happen,” nor for preventing rioters from forcing its cancellation.
Bennett then defended the apparent passivity of her officers during the riot, insisting that confronting the vandals would only have made the situation more volatile.
Law enforcement officers following orders.
“I don’t think so, I mean certainly we can be criticized for a lot of things,” Bennett said in response to whether or not she had made any errors in judgement. “I don’t believe it was the wrong thing, because had we gone out there, two things would have happened: The black bloc group would have gotten energized by our presence, and number two they would have turned around and started attacking our police, which means our use of force would have escalated. I believe we made the right decision.”
Law enforcement officers in riot gear protect the UC Regents while students protest tuition increases in March 2015, 30 students attended the protest.
Hazmat specialists clean up toxic fuel and burnt metal. Students for a Greener Berkeley were not available for comment.
Ironically, the Free Speech Movement that began on the campus of UC Berkeley in 1964 was in protest of the universities ban on on-campus political activities in addition to other civil rights issues. Chancellor Nicholas Dirks, the guy who doesn’t understand budgets and sexual harassment laws, was insulated by the riots behind a new $700,000 security fence at his campus residence. He describes UC Berkeley’s support and simultaneous condemnation of the Berkeley College Republicans right to host the event in the “Chancellor’s message on campus appearance by Milo Yiannopoulos” here. Mario “I am not a communist” Savio was seen rolling over in his grave while Jack “Don’t trust anybody over 30” Weinberg was unavailable for comment.
Heckler’s veto, absolutely.
Berkeley defends police passivity during anti-free speech riot
Category: Politics
Cocksuckers.
(Oh… and FIRST!)
Well played, MSgt.
Keep your pants on. It’s coming.
Ya just gotta love that Soviet flag with the hammer and sickle. That is really special.
The majority of those ‘protesters’ are too young to remember/know anything about what the Soviet Union was really all about.
They naively wave that Soviet flag around without any apparent understanding that if they had tried to ‘protest’ like that in the Soviet Union, their ‘protest’ would have been quickly obliterated via the massive application of machine gun fire and armored vehicles. Any survivors would have enjoyed a pleasant stay at the Lubyanka, and then they would have simply disappeared. Forever.
Naïve, foolishly childish assclowns. The lot of them.
But, “don’t fear the commies.”
Got it. (Continuing to not do what I have never done is about the easiest thing in the world to accomplish.)
Stupid how they feel entitled to define how others are feeling but get all upset when others ridicule them and their correctly identified feelings.
OWB,
Actually it should be ” don’t fear the commie… unless President Trump is talking to them”.. it’s very amusing to me that the left consistently embraces the old Soviet Union, and communism in general, but then loose their collective shit when the President talks to Putin. And they seem totally incapable of recognizing the hypocrisy involved.
Did someone say Don’t Fear the Commie”?
By the way, Poodle – does 2 plus 2 still equal 5, like it did in that early-1930s Soviet propaganda poster?
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
Hey, commies world wide have only killed about 100 million people. But, it wasn’t the real, pure communism. So we need to give it another chance here. Besides these sparkle ponies will be instrumental in running the dictatorship of the proletariat and we’ll all be “equal” and “diverse,” just like in Orwell’s “Animal Farm.” Anyway, for those that don’t end up in the American gulag.
Yup, they all naively assume that they’re each going to have a seat in the Politburo.
Lubyanka, the tallest building in Moscow, because the could see Siberia from the basement.
I keep wondering if sometime soon we might see some folks doing like the Koreatown store owners did during the Rodney King riots: post signs saying that anyone crossing the designated line will be assumed to be a rioter/looter and will be immediately shot, then use the first few dickheads to show the rest that you are, in fact, serious.
I look at how the libcommie IDIOTS always go nuts en masse where they think they’ll be allowed to get away with it, i.e. only in “Blue Voting” locales because a number of them know they’ll get shot, beaten or run over if they try their shit in Red State America where folks won’t put up with their moronic, imbecilic bullshit antics.
OOPS… look at this:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/08/berkeley-riot-organizers-say-lawbreaking-was-justified-to-shut-down-milos-1st-amendment-rights/
Check the twitter feed at the bottom of the story… someone’s gonna get all wee-weed up over that.
Why is that Yvette Felarca person not under arrest for her role in that crap?
This ass hamster has the FBI looking at his actions:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/07/uc-berkeley-staffer-under-investigation-for-participating-in-riot/
And the aging hippie who pepper-sprayed the young woman wearng a red hat that actually said, “Make BITCOIN Great Again”?
“We pledge to protect individual rights and safeguard property for our students, faculty, staff and guests.” That’s a line from the UCPD’s mission statement. But the UCPD did neither on Riot Wednesday. And the head of that department explained why: “The black bloc group would have gotten energized by our presence, and number two they would have turned around and started attacking our police….” So, back-off and hands-off was the order of the day. So much for maintaining the peace, safeguarding property, and protecting individual rights.
Of course, this is a Commissar magnet thread. Of course, he won’t be awake for another six hrs or so.
Yup.
Herr Kommissar won’t be able to resist the opportunity to sashay in here and explain/justify all of this crap for us.
“sashay in here”
I wouldn’t mind that or even a “saunter” where he “sidles” up to the group and offers some interesting commentary.
But alas that is not to be. He will “barge” into the room and drop a flaming bag of dog shit in the hope that someone will stomp it out.
I think the current DSM addresses this.
You must remember that he also has to find a free wifi spot in a coffee shop where he can get enough caffeine to jolt his fingers into following his brain’s instructions.
Please stop using my full name in threads. No reason to do that except petty trolling.
There is only one “Lars” that comes her. First name is enough.
I don’t mind standing by the stuff I post, but I do not appreciate being associated with the stuff YOU post.
A logical person would conclude that it’s probably a bad idea for you to post here if that’s how you feel.
It’s a tad late for that Lars. The internet never forgets.
Commissar says:
March 2, 2015 at 7:09 pm
What is with all the authoritarian personalities on this board?
Commissar says:
March 2, 2015 at 7:47 pm
No, and I am on record on that post for calling him out for being a piece of shit.
Commissar says:
February 24, 2015 at 11:27 pm
I defended him on Huffpost and I stand by it. He was not SF but I do not consider this to be a particularly big deal.
There are many, many more. Lars. Anyone wanting to find your sick views and wanting to see the types of folks you love hanging around will not have a problem finding either.
Maybe you shouldn’t posted for months under your full name, Commissar. Guess you didn’t think that one through, did ya?
Of course, we are happy to use other appropriate labels for you, such as the following:
Comrade Dickless
Zika-Commie
Lying Sack of Shit
Idiot With Delusions of Genius
Berzerkely Bitch-Boi
Oathbreaker
Should’ve-Been-a-Blowjob
Commissar Hypocrite
Commissar Shit-for-Brains?
Zampolit, Seriously? You served in the US Army, around -soldiers-, and you thought it a good idea to post a message saying, in effect, “Do not piss me off by doing X”, on a web site frequented by -veterans-…
Seriously? Not a “don’t throw me in the briar patch” thing? Seriously?
Dude, that is radioactive stupid!
Huh? Commissar doesn’t like people using his name?
Which Commissar is it that doesn’t like that.
The Commissar that comes to a board of mostly military types, mostly conservative, and spreads his Commie loving bullshit?
That Commissar?
Ok Commissar, I won’t say your name. heh
Clowns.
I knew there was a reason I don’t like California: it’s full of imbeciles.
Only certain parts of it. Like Berkeley.
Forget it, TOW, you’re wasting your breath. It’s a TAH meme. Sort of like you and me ragging on Illinois because Rahm Emmanuel is the mayor of Chicago.
Are we back to defining “black bloc” as a group? They used to get all offended and preferred that we know that “black bloc” was a tactic, not a group.
I think it’s kind of like the bolsheviks, which meant ‘red Russians’, as opposed to the mensheviks, which meant ‘white Russians’.
Maybe it depends on which political flag you fly or something.
They seem to believe in “fashion as a weapon against the capitalist state”, lol…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc
I think they need their own planet.
The come from Uranus.
Gah..
“They…”
The Campus Police chief had a problem a couple of years ago… seems that her gun, computer, iPad and a badge were stolen out of her car:
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/UC-Berkeley-police-chief-had-only-herself-to-6472361.php
A real quality hire there…
Now if that was any of us Non-LEO folks, we probably would have been arrested for improper storage, had our carry permits pulled and the rest of our guns confiscated. Nice double standard. Like the FBI Agent in the Boston area a few years ago had a sniper rifle (a real one not a hunting rifle) and an M4 (real full auto one not an MForgery) stolen. Lucky in that case the thief’s family turned him in. So, you lost your gun and didn’t do your job, Bravo Chief!
Yes, but isn’t she a lesbian? That makes it okie-dokie.
Berkeley should be bulldozed flat and replaced with a trade school.
Or even a goat farm.
Or perhaps a large settling pond like Lake Bandini out in 29 Palms.
There certainly wouldn’t be any change in the ambient smell out there in Berkeley.
Robin of Berkeley (recovering Marxist) confirms your observations, sir.
http://www.robinofberkeley.com/2016/12/19/our-animal-house/
Yeah, one of the top universities int he world. One VITAL to our nation’s ability to be competitive in science, technology, intelligence collection, and soft power as well as VITAL to our future economic competitiveness should be bulldozed for a trade school.
Fucking idiotic. People like you won’t stop until we a third world failed state.
Makes me sick.
Trade schools are the backbone of our infrastructure. They produce the skilled labor needed to construct and maintain our physical plant.
Berkley is a communist shithole that produces nothing but leftist ideology.
When Kalifornia finally secedes, the rest of the nation will enjoy new found wealth and freedom without you.
Re: California secession, we already covered how that won’t work out the way Lars and his ilk think it will. It would be pretty damn hilarious, though!
I am not against trade schools. I think we need more and greater access, particularly to retrain workers left structurally unemployed due to changes in the market.
However, that is not the issue. The issue is whether we should be bulldozing top universities. Which is an idiotic suggestion.
We need to keep and invest in our top universities as well as add better and more effective trade schools.
A young Trade School Graduate is is not only FAR MORE in demand than the vast majority with a four year degree, they have far more income potential, outfits are ALWAYS seeking Certified Plumbers, Electricians, Welders,…
Well, if the market values a Trade School tin-knocker more than a Berkeley whatever, and the delta was similarly positive across the majority of coursework would not the correct market decision be to convert Berkeley over to the move valued education?
Not too many years ago, a graduate of a top-flight school applied for a job in the place I work, on my team. He was utterly unqualified for a “walk in and start working” position. I pointed this out in the interview, listing specific missing items on his (essentially blank) work history. His response to each deficiency was “Well I have a degree in (field) from (School). That makes me qualified.”
Seriously.
Apparently, “Must have done quite a bit of X. Must be able to do Y on day one.” Equals “Having never worked a day in field, not even work-study or intern, a diploma is a decent substitute for work-skills.”
-That- is the down-side to a top-flight school that has long passed its prime, and is going strictly on Reputation and some juvenile Rage, with a double portion of snot-nosed arrogance.
Your BerkeleyBuddies are working tirelessly to create a campus that’ll look a lot like the University of Mogadishu. I got stoned there once.
There was literally zero evidence of the protests within 48 hours of the event.
The campus is one of the most beautiful campuses in the country.
“The campus is one of the most beautiful campuses in the country.”
That is so well respected by the student body. Sure, we can tear shit up, someone else will clean it up. Go Bears!
IMHO the campus doesn’t mean shit when compared to how respected a degree from said school is. Too many of today’s colleges accept young adults and turn them into bawling imbeciles with the mentality of a toddler!
One so vital and so good at its job that the engineering department has given the math department a vote of no confidence. The engineering department is now spending its time teaching students how to do the math necessary to become engineers.
Additionally, look at the students that come out of UCBerkeley. They aren’t in demand by high-tech companies and startups. The people hired for startups are Stanford, UC Davis, Cal Poly and San Jose State grads. I’ve been working in the SF Bay area since 2000 and everyone one of the companies I’ve worked for has had those same hiring biases.
Math is “hard.” And it’s also hard to learn any thing when you are a proglodyte sparkle pony and you are out “protesting” all the time instead of going to class & studying.
If they learn to add and subtract, they might figure out that socialism doesn’t actually make everyone rich. We can’t have that!
Spot on Red6.
Be prepared for zika-commie to tell you how wrong you are and provide no supporting evidence. He will spew some Larsfacts, as 2/17 Air Cav likes to call them and demand that you accept them.
I just looked at a list of the 30 best small colleges for STEM degrees (and subsequent job or grad school opportunities). My alma mater is up near the top on that list. Glad to know it, too.
Oh, yeah – in their School of Engineering and School of Accounting, if you can’t maintain a 3.50++ average (based on 4.0) you get dropped from the program until you can bring your grades up.
Not a bit demanding, is it?
And Berkeley provides what, exactly, that cannot be obtained at a decent university elsewhere in the USA? Hmm.
The opportinity to get ones head bashed for being the wrong political sort, if one refuses to keep quiet about it.
Yeah, that is really valuable to the USA, conditioning to obey Despotism. Gee. What a valuable gift.
It looks like at least one staffer of Berkeley actively participated. it looks like they ordered the cops to low-ball the response, thus allowing rioters to dictate who has rights and who has not.
RICO prosecution time. No need to wait for the SA armbands to appear, or their further-left comrads Red Guards / Black Bloc bullshit.
Your support of this despotic bullshit, Zampolit, is a serious embarrassment to the rest of us who wore the uniform.
Now the FBI is involved… the City of Bezerkley called them in:
http://heatst.com/politics/fbi-is-now-helping-with-the-investigation-into-the-identities-of-the-berkeley-rioters/
Looks like a few people are gonna be lawering up here soon…
I distinctly remember President Trump calling himself “The Law and Order Candidate” while he was campaigning for office and it looks like he intends to live up to that!
According to Lars, they are Berkeley students, the media blames “unknowns” and Berkeley says “no comment”.
And people like you would be HAPPY with America as a third world state… just keep on taking the Soros money and listening to that old Hungarian Nazi tell you how it should be. You may be educated, but you don’t have the fucking common sense that God gave a goose.
Just keep on “urging” your libtard/proggie buddies to be “tolerant” by burning, beating and pillaging – before long, your beloved Bezerkley campus will be nothing but a smoldering pile of rubble… courtesy of them.
Bulldozed and the earth salted. The poison coming out of these shit holes outweighs any actual good they do.
By the way, medicine, law and engineering is a trade.
When the dozers are fired up please feel free to do a Racheal Corrie impression.
Or a Riflr Range!
Berkeley has been this bad since the ’60’s.
Commie tools of Soros and his ilk.
Anybody else notice how they all dress up like ISIS? They even have a name for it– “black bloc”, the latest in radical fashion.
Hooded knights of their Invisble Empire!
Previously sporting white hoods, now with black hoodies. Thugs just the same. Cowards, one and all.
Show your faces, bitches, or admit you are cowardly scum.
Which means that our silhouette targets will match real life defense scenarios in our target appearances.
California, Land of Fruits and Nuts!
More like The Land of Granola, get rid of the fruits and nuts and all you’ll have left is FLAKES!
This whole article is weird. The university really did all that they reasonably could. It seems the right is disappointed the university did not INCREASE the level of violence by attacking students with police. The university did uphold their commitment to free speech. First, a few student groups tried a dozen different tactics to stop Milo from speaking PRIOR to the day of the event. Both administratively and through public protest and media awareness efforts. Some of these student groups have a poor reputation among students for constantly being unreasonable in their demands. Others are more credible. The university each time stood by their commitment to let Milo speak. Deny or blocking every effort by the groups to stop the speaking engagement. The university, AT THE UNIVERSITIES OWN COST, provided a significant amount of additional security for Milo. Professors made statements in classes affirming the universities commitment to free speech and encouraging students to respect that commitment by not directly interfering with Milo’s event. Despite the efforts of the university protests were expected. Particularly since the larger bay area community was well aware of the speaking engagement. When the expected protests began the university allowed the students/community to protest while trying to facilitate Milo’s speaking engagement. It is in accordance with free speech to do BOTH, allow Milo to speak and allow the protestors to protest. PROTESTING IS FREE SPEECH AS WELL. The level of violence was exaggerated by the press and in media narratives. However, there were masked agitators that came to the protest and were far more aggressive than typical student protests. Keep in mind that Berkeley is in a large bay area community with millions of people with diverse ethnic, social, and religious backgrounds. In those millions, there are going to be percentage that personally hate a racist white nationalist provocateur and internet troll. Berkeley is a large open campus. Short of building a ten-foot wall around it here is no way to keep people that do not respect the non-violent culture of the university from accessing the campus and joining the protests. So when violence erupted… Read more »
Horsedung, Poodle. A real commitment to free speech on the part of UC-Berkeley would have been to allow Yiannopoulos to speak – and to have done whatever was necessary, LE-wise, to maintain order and guarantee his safety during his appearance there. UCB leadership refused to do that; and they refused to do so for no other reason than the fact that they disagreed with what they assumed would be the content of the speech he would give.
You and everyone else at that asinine bastion of Leftist propaganda called UCB appear to have forgotten the quote, often wrongly attributed to Voltaire, that embodies a true commitment to free speech. Here it is, for your benefit – since I know you’re too damn lazy to look it up for yourself: “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
You and your ilk best hope we never do see a true authoritarian regime in this nation led by non-leftists. Should that ever happen, you will indeed learn the meaning of “free speech” – by feeling what conservatives now experience at UCB today: the suppression of speech that doesn’t meet “official approval”.
Whether Yiannopoulos expected – or wanted – this outcome is completely irrelevant. Once again, you show your inability to discuss an issue without bringing up non sequiturs. That’s the mark of someone with no real logic behind their argument.
As the Brits might say: now, p!ss-off. You annoy me, as well as anyone else with half a brain.
Hondo. FYI. I provided the link you asked me for in the Lying Blumenthal thread.
Thanks – hadn’t seen that one yet.
Well said, Hondo…
Hondo, the university did what it could. It denied several petitions, administrative actions, and student protests prior to the event. Some of the petitions had merit. Yet the university administration and most of the faculty supported allowing Milo to speak.
There really is not much more they could have done. We are talking about a community that has more than 30,000 students and millions of people.
If an asshat comes to town that asshat may be met with counter asshattery.
“If an asshat comes to town that asshat may be met with counter asshattery.”
By outside asshatters, local asshatters or Berkeley student asshatters?
You, the media and Berkeley can’t seem to decide which.
Bung-diddler,
UC Berkeley is talking out of their ass, just like you do.
They played lip service to free speech, then stood by and winked while rioters did what they wanted.
A Company of National guard in Riot gear could have smashed that shit.
Especially with grizzled Old School types like ME in their ranks, I’d be saying “HEEEERE hippie, hippie, hippie!”
Bull. They ordered the UCB PD to stand by and watch while assholes rioted because they didn’t like the idea of the man being allowed to speak his mind.
That is NOT “doing all they could”. It’s abdicating responsibility – as well as cowardly caving.
I swear, you wouldn’t recognize reality if it sat on your face and wiggled.
Also, speaking of my use of non-sequiturs…
there is REAL evidence of an attempt at establishing an authoritarian regime in the US by the current administration…
but what have I heard on this board so far about that?
*crickets*
and some whining about some barely post-adolescent college students. Many of whom will be working on behalf of US government and US business interests internationally or advancing the strength of US sciences and technologies within 5 years.
“Many of whom will be working on behalf of US government and US business interests internationally or advancing the strength of US sciences and technologies within 5 years.”
Is Ashley “Nasty Woman” Judd one of them? I bet her degree in French will really help her at the Goldman School of Public Policy.
https://gspp.berkeley.edu/directories/phd-students/ashley-judd
“there is REAL evidence of an attempt at establishing an authoritarian regime in the US by the current administration…” DU comments are not evidence of that, Lars. Or have you taken to wearing a gold-foil wrapped colander again? I get it. You saw an Army convoy on the interstate, didn’t you?
Provide verifiable, specific, and credible citations to support your claim, Poodle. If you can.
Or or admit you’re blowing it out of your 4th POC again, and STFU – preferably permanently.
An authoritarian regime? That’s strange, because it was far more likely under Lyndon Johnson’s administration than it is now to have your phone tapped or your private correspondence perused by the federal government, especially for people who were mixed up with the Weather Underground and the SDS, and the Black Panhers. That would be Alinsky and Ayers and Dorne, and Seale and the Chicago 7.
You’re such an ass. You know absolutely NOTHING about totalitarianism.
Educate yourself, you moron. Read a little Solzhenitsyn. Or better yet, go visit North Korea, since you don’t have anything to do right now. Then come back and tell us about totalitarianism, or blow it out your shorts.
And also, take your paranoid delusions and shove them up your nose as far as they can go. Maybe they’ll let some oxygen into that vacancy where your brain is supposed to be.
BULLSHIT, they let Milo get censored off campus.
Bullshit. They could have denied him the chance to speak in the first place and the chancellor and several faculty that wrote public letters in support of allowing Milo to speak could have just not given a fuck.
The university did not censor Milo. Milo’s security detail, both privately and publicly funded, made the call.
“Bullshit. They could have denied him the chance to speak in the first place….” Bullshit? You had better take that up with the UC Berkeley chancellor. On 26 January he wrote, in his message to students, “First, from a legal perspective, the U.S. Constitution prohibits UC Berkeley, as a public institution, from banning expression based on its content or viewpoints…” So, no, he recognized that Milo could not be banned. The chancellor then wrote this about Milo: “Mr. Yiannopoulos is not the first of his ilk to speak at Berkeley and he will not be the last. In our view, Mr. Yiannopoulos is a troll and provocateur who uses odious behavior in part to “entertain,” but also to deflect any serious engagement with ideas. He has been widely and rightly condemned for engaging in hate speech directed at a wide range of groups and individuals, as well as for disparaging and ridiculing individual audience members, particularly members of the LGBTQ community.” In my view, that was a Big Green Light, an incendiary statement that targeted Milo and served as an open invitation to disrupt his planned talk. Add to that the plan of police, no doubt in consultation with the administration, to exercise a hands-off policy and the violent, riotous conduct was foreseeable and understandable. So STFU Lars.
Bullshit Lars.
http://sa.berkeley.edu/free-speech
http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/01/26/chancellor-statement-on-yiannopoulos/
They would NOT have denied the Berkeley College Republicans their right to invite this speaker, ever.
Call it whatever you wish, the bottom line is that he was not allowed to speak. Put another way, his right to speak was abridged.
Doesn’t matter who he is. Doesn’t matter who was to blame. Whoever was responsible for seeing that he got to exercise his right to speak did not do their job. What they did instead was cede control of the event to a mob. That is just wrong. And patently un-American.
In other words, heckler’s veto.
Vladimir Litvinenko, a Putin insider, was poisoned with polonium three years ago.
Boris Nemtsov, a prominent critic of President Vladimir Putin, was shot dead in central Moscow in February.
And now, Vladimir Kara-Murz, a prominent Russian opposition activist, has been hospitalised with organ failure, two years after he almost died of suspected poisoning.
See, we don’t do things like that in this country. We let people get on soapboxes on the street corner and yack, and they’re mostly ignored. But if they take to the streets, destroy property and turn violent, injuring other people, that is NOT free speech. It is anarchy.
Looks like the Piuperdink doesn’t know the vast difference between the anarchists of Antifa/black bloc with the protests against someone simply making a speech they don’t like, and the protests in the 1960s. But then, he wasn’t alive back then so he wouldn’t know anything about that.
Can we say Ferguson, MO and the Chicago 7 versus the women’s march for suffrage? Which is the protest and which is just anarchy?
What happened at Berserkeley was anarchy and nothing else. It was hardly ‘hyped’ by the press when it was live on camera.
You score zero on your comment this time, Piuperdink. Try more caffeine.
Zika-Commie, heckler’s veto, Google it.
You are intellectually dishonest. This was not a protest, it was anarchy. I assume the fire that was set was peaceful? The busting of windows on your beloved campus was also peaceful? And to call him a racist white nationalist is also hilariously false. I dont understand how a Gay man(whom you would think those idiots at Berkeley would support) that has a Black boyfriend, could possibly be a Raicst White NAtionalist. An internet troll, and leftist baiter, he might be; I dont personally listen to him, but a racist white nationalist, he is not.
Do you even research shit before you say it? I get that you were there for the “protest” but do you not see the violence that happened there, at you student facilities? Are you that blind?
I will be awaiting your response….
Cheers,
MrFace
Not only is he gay, he’s also Jewish and has a black boyfriend. He’s the type that liberals would put at the top of their bandwagon but since he’s *GASP!* Conservative they want him silenced and censored every chance they get, further proof that LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER.
Shorter Lars: “Who are you going to believe-me or your dirty damned lying eyes?”
“disappointed the university did not INCREASE the level of violence by attacking students with police.”
I thought the violent protesters were “outsiders” inciting violence and destruction, not students.
Like, “maintaining logical consistency” is a tool of the white patriarchy man.
That’s because the use of logic equates to ‘privilege’.
Lars, if your side is so “peaceful, accepting and tolerant” then what’s with the vandalism, assaults, looting and arson whenever packs of your breed of monkey congregate? When was the last time someplace looked like a DUMP after a Tea Party Rally?
Lars and his buddies are “peaceful, accepting and tolerant” when you agree with them. But, watch the fuck out if you get them “wee wee’d” up… we see it just about every time Lars posts his opinions here.
“Free speech for me, but not for thee”… right, Lars?
It’s been a while since I called you a dumbass…
That shit was so hard to read, yet somehow, with only my high school education and no college, I read the whole damn thing. And I think I lost a brain cell or two, certainly a few minutes of my life I can never get back.
Rioting is free speech? Nah. Rioting is rioting.
And you are a Dumbass.
Berkeley could, at a minimum:
Expell any and all student participants in the riot.
Fire any and all staff who participated in the riot.
Suspend for one year, any and all who in any way acted to prevent Milo from speaking. (Versus just bitching about it = free speech).
-Sue- any and all who facilitated, funded, organized, or aided the destruction of property, from vandalizm to arson, and any violence against persons. Seek prosecution of any serious misdemeanors and all felonies.
Demand that any law enforcement with responsibilities in their area ustilize any and all available lawful means to -stop- rioting, ASAP, upon occurrence.
-Cease- any and all support, tolerance, or “understanding” of the barbarity of riot, and the barbarous perpetrators of it.
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You seem to be going to great lengths to softball the barbarians, and their acts, who seek to dictate by intimidation. Is this because you agree with them, or because they cowed you?
Once upon a time, long ago, some Klukkers came to my town to intimidate some folks I didn’t much like. I and a few like-minded folks stood between the Klucks and the other folks. Not because we liked the others, but because any civilized man has a -duty- to protect civilization, and any man sworn to “support and defend” has a -duty- to stand up -against- riot and intimidation aimed at those who simply wish to exercise their rights.
You puzzle me, greatly, as you also swore that oath, yet appear to be rather complacent against the clear and present danger represented by silencing an unpopular person by riot and intimidation.
The Constitution dies where riot and thuggery are accepted as political means, where rights are subordinated to mob action.
…the right of the people to peaceably assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances….
Now, in that phrase entered into what is generally titled the Bill of Rights, tell me where it says ‘commit vandalism, arson, and injury to other people by use of violent means’.
Where I come from arson is a felony, and setting things on fire the way the rioters did was arson. Damaging property is also a criminal offense, as is injuring other people for any reason.
It appears to me that the people who were pepper sprayed and/or beaten have a right to seek redress from the University of California-Berkeley, as well as the local police who stood by and did nothing to help or protect them.
It’s all on video. How can a state school defend this kind of negligence and expect to be credible? How can the police expect to be credible when they did nothing to stop the rioting in the first place? We do have laws in this country that govern such things.
I think those two people who got hurt should file a massive, expensive claim against UCB.
I also think that the Piuperdink should stop telling tall tales to himself, thinking that others will just fall in line behind him. He is rapidly becoming a punching bag as the Epitome of Da Stoopid.
It’s all about the $$$ at Bezerkley right now… they have had to cut budgets and fire people over the last year. Just think of the money they would lose if they spent the time and effort to track down the protestors the engaged in the violence and burning and expelled the students that were involved? Student enrollment is the cash cow there… don’t want to kill that off.
As for any staff involved, canning them may save them enough money to keep one of those special snowflake programs going for another year or two, at most.
Zombie’s pics from last week’s events: http://www.zombietime.com/milo_berkeley/
Groups that Soros and his kids fund: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewsubcategory.asp?id=1237
“Refuse Fascism” gets money from Soros: http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/02/05/refuse-fascism-group-behind-berkeley-riot-funded-george-soros/
Some thoughts about what to do to Soros here: https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/09/what-to-do-about-george-soros/
Lars wrote, “PROTESTING IS FREE SPEECH AS WELL”.
No, Lars. Peaceful protesting is free speech.
Participating in activity that marginalizes opposing views of others because one group disagree with another and does so by resorting to violence, harassment, and destruction of property are NOT protected under the First Amendment.
The California Penal Code describes most of the behavior exhibited by the “protesters” as unlawful.
And the police tried to shut down non-peaceful protests and arrested 4 culprits.
Most protestors were peaceful.
This really is an exaggerated issue.
In correct.
On live TV, plainly seen, the police did nothing to stop damage or arson. You must have been completely drunk or high as a kite if you think the police did anything at all except watch.
“Most” and “peaceful…”
You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
150 people running riot through the streets, vandalizing and destroying things, throwing Molotov cocktails… if they were headed at YOU there would be a suspicious stain on your trou. Ever actually been at a riot and enjoyed tear gas the way it’s supposed to be used? It’s not a peaceful protest, and neither was this. You claim to have been a Captain in Afghanistan – if you ever had a company, that’s about how many people you are talking about – that many agitators and rioters is NOT an exaggerated issue.
During MY time in, Ossifers like Lars T. were often tucked away in some obscure Staff job where it was thought they could do the least damage with their incompetence and imbecility until they had enough cause to either relieve them for cause or give them a shitty enough OER to where they could be drummed out.
SLJO – Shitty Little Jobs Officer
In the one picture above, the police officers are hanging out in the student union building as instructed while people are being assaulted and university and private property are being destroyed right outside.
In contrast, the picture below it, you can clearly see the police in riot gear protecting the UC Regents from the 30 students protesting tuition fees.
Well, it looks like the narrative is starting to show some cracks:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/10/despite-berkeley-denials-claims-surface-of-student-rioters/
“As far as Robert Reich never having seen these people before? He’s an idiot and he’s full of shit. I myself have taken his class.”
“Peaceful” protests my ass…
The hits just keep on coming, don’t they?
Zampolit,
If a “peaceful” crowd allows violent people to act within it, if the “peaceful” participants do -nothing- to identify and shame the violent, they are -complicit- in that violence. If they actively shelter and shield them, they are clearly co-belligerents. If they merely look the other way, and lift not a finger to stop the violent ones? Same. Co belligerents.
You cant let masked thugs go apeshit-violent in your midst, doing nothing, and claim clean hands. That is both contributory, and rather cowardly.
Many, many years ago, I was at a rather large pro Secong Amendment gathering. A few in the crowd started saying some stupid shit, loudly, and encouraging stupid behavior. It took about 60 seconds for the non-assholes to contact the law enforcement types working the crowd, pointing out the dipshits and saying “He speaketh riot. Get that idiot out of here.” And away the idiots went.
If you in a mob are shouting “Down with Fascism!” and the asshole next to you in the mob is throwing firebombs shouting “Down with Fascism!”, you either stop the asshole, or accept that you just painted yourself with the same black bloc.
Okay. Here’s the plan. Nobody will wade through all of that shit, so let’s dole it out. Who wants the first two paragraphs? Or is that too much for one?
“Taylor”
“Yes, sir?”
“Are you getting paid by the word?”
“Um, no, sir.”
“Then from this day forward, wrire a draft report, reduce it by 90%, and then submit the final to me. Got it?”
“Yes, sir.”
I think I was 5 years old when I saw my dad (LtCol D) hand a thick folder back to a young LT with the advice to “toss every third word, every word over two syllables, and resubmit for further disapproval ASAP.” Remembered that advice throughout my Army career.
A young woman was being interviewed and, as the interviewed ended, one of the peaceful protesters sprayed her directly in the face with a substance that may or may not have been pepper spray. Not that it matters. The police were there to safeguard the right of the protester to assault and batter her. They were there, too, to protect property, which didn’t include windows and mobile floodlights.
Yep-she made some fairly straightforward and completely uncontroversial remarks about freedom of speech while wearing a “Make Bitcoin Great Again” hat, but that was just going way too far for some of the lefty thugs who were just looking for an excuse to get their rage on.
One of whom-it has already been shown-works (or worked) for the university making $70K per year.
Chancellor Nicholas Dirks brings home a meager $532,000. The guy who does not understand budgets and stuff.
Nice, I work for the state in a job that tries to kill me, 72 hours a week minimum, plus voluntary and (frequently) involuntary overtime, go home rarely if at all during peak fire season, and I didn’t even break 100k on my 2016 W2, despite working more hours in that one year than Dirks has in at least four. No company car, official residence, or private parking for me, either. And yet the watchdog groups go on and on about how overpaid I am…
Oh, yeah, and I’m also held to a job performance standard, and subject to review at any time, and can be terminated with cause if I consistently fail to meet it.
TOW. This will make you feel even better. The other day, I posted a link to a story out of Frisco in which 50 BART janitors pulled in 100,000 each in 2015. One of them tacked on an additional $162,000 in OT. Not bad for unskilled labor, eh?
As Chris Pratt said in the new “Magnificent Seven:”
Jee-zus WEPT!
The UC Berkeley and one of its very short professors, Robert (The Third) Reich, insisted that the campus had been “invaded” by outsiders and it was they who rioted, assaulted people, and damaged property. Unfortunately, those claims have been refuted. It was a nice try, though.
If that passes for “clever thinking” at Berkeley, knock it down and build something else there, something useful.
That is some serious juvenile dumb-ass in that “explanation”, right up there with “A burglar ate the cookies, mom!”
“disappointed the university did not INCREASE the level of violence by attacking students with police.”
Lars missed the memo about the revised talking points.
Robert towers at 4’11” and has not updated his bio photo in about 25 years.
https://gspp.berkeley.edu/directories/faculty/robert-reich
Standing by and allowing a violent, destructive riot against a speaker at an event nobody was compelled to attend, without lifting a finger to stop it, is “safeguarding free speech,” according to the Fifth-Columnists at Berkeley.
They’re absolutely right! And I’m a Chinese jet pilot.
“Higher education” my Black Irish ass.
Do you fly a two-seater? Let’s go buzz their building, about 10 feet above the rooftop. Do twice a day for a month, until they recants their pronouncement. That, or drop them off in North Korea.
I sometimes wonder if these leftists would listen to anything short of being shot.
If their targets were really as they say they are, the leftist’s would be dead. But it is civilization itself they are attacking.
“If [the Leftists’]targets were really as they say they are, the leftist’s would be dead.” That there is the money line. You are hereby awarded a royal ta-dah on that.
Thank you, kind sir.
I had started to write a fairly long response to this, realized it was a bit of a rant.
Lots of stuff about what the Oath means, protecting those who cant protect themselves, being willing to serve the nation, so that those who don’t, can still go off about things that they don’t agree with.
The administration at Berkeley had an obligation to preserve order and keep things in line. They did not do that. The taxpayers, not only of CA but of the nation have to foot the bill to repair all the damage. UCB has made it clear that they will not ensure the safety of those on their campus. Really really great for encouraging learning, developing the ability to think critically and sanely disagree with someone elses ideas. THANKS A FUCKING LOT.
11B made a comment I completely agree with: what fantastic freaking awesomeness comes out of UCB that does not also come out of places like; Stanford, MIT, Cornell, or even that fake university in Seattle called the Univ of WA? I have also probably missed a couple of hundred other colleges/universities/military academies that produce well educated graduates.
And Lastly: Im an FNG here on this site, WTF is up with Lars? Im not exactly the most conservative of people on the face of the planet, but he spouts some serious BS.
JEEZUS this still ended up being longer than I wanted….
Dinotanker… Welcome.
And you’re spot on about Lars…
GLAD you’re here now, Dinotanker. Lars T.? He’s an intellectual legend in his own mind and that’s THE nicest thing I can say about him.
What comes out of Berkeley? Double-extra arrogance, apparently, the kind seen in those who really can’t deliver much other than arrogance.
“What comes out of Berkeley?…”
Violent fascists that call themselves “Anti-Fascists” who act JUST LIKE Hitler’s SA, “The Brown Shirts” that made life hell for those who dissented with the Nazi agenda and party dogma.
The amount of hate expressed by an enclave of 40+ year old “veterans” toward a bunch of college kids and toward one of the United States’ best universities seems petty and misplaced.
lsion, disgust, disappointment, and seriously not comprehending the logic of a university airhead who says the equivalent of “well, we know they were raping her but if we tried to stop them they would probably hit her too” – THAT is what I am reading above. What you are spouting – I don’t hate, I just shake my head and try to wipe it off my shoes.
Revulsion
Lookie there, a cute college kid smashing a window. And there’s another spraying someone in the face. Look! Look! Two just knocked over that floodlight and started a fire. Gosh, it’s just like the pantie raids from the 40s and 50s isn’t it?
OH LOOK, another dozen or so of the cutest little snowflakes have converged on a lone Conservative to beat her into submission because she disagrees with them, AIN’T THEY SWEET?
Was she actually a conservative? Well, it doesn’t really matter. They thought she was, therefore violence against women suddenly becomes okay for them.
Yep!
Don’t forget about the guy that got knocked unconscious during the riots:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/video-violent-leftists-chase-beat-man-unconscious-berkeley-riots/
Yep, a real “peaceful” demonstration…
Poodle Dick, you really are a moron? Why do you even come here, you obviously don’t have anything positive to share?
My guess is that he enjoys showcasing his stupidity.
“Poodle Dick, you really are a moron? Why do you even come here….”
TAH is 50 Shades of Olive Drab to Lars. He is “that” guy.
“one of the United States’ best universities”
One of the best for being brainwashed by communist/socialist professors.
One of the best for being self-righteous hypocrites.
One of the best for being able to used Doublespeak.
One of the best for turning out useless degrees.
One of the best for deluding the students.
But for anything really useful – not even in the to 500.
For exhibit A, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Lars himself. Quod Erat Demonstrantum.
Make that “top 500” please.
Hate? That is one of the – no, wait. That is THE stupidest thing you’ve said so far, Piuperdink.
You have no idea what that word means when you use it that way. You’re really not very smart, you know. You constantly make a public ass of yourself. Since you do it just to get attention, you really need to get some professional help with that problem.
Anyone up for pizza?
Annnnd popcorn!
Zampolit,
I was contemptuous of that riotous bullcrap 30 years ago. So is any other civilized human being.
Smashing other-peoples stuff and tossing flammables around is -violent intimidation-. The State should respond to it as such.
Nice try with the “age-ist” bullshit strawman. No one with half a brain cares the age of rioters, just that they be -stopped- promptly, and that they be harshly punished enough to deter repeats.
Well, I looked it up. For starters, who knew that there are 786 or so groups who rank colleges and universities? Picked one at random. It showed that UC-B does indeed rank above my alma mater. (sp?) But, neither were all that high on the list.
So what does that prove? Absolutely nothing.
EAFBOD, Lars.
Just calling em as we see em. You should be well aware of that by now.
And when they deserve respect, they’ll get respect. When they act like petulant children, they’ll get treated as such.
Why are there white, heterosexual, privileged students, faculty and administrators at UC Berkeley and other Leftist institutions? I mean, shouldn’t the former resign and the latter leave school to make room for the powerless minorities and the ever-shunned LGBTQ community? I know why. You know why. It’s just Lefty hypocrisy in action once again.
Right, all the Caucasians need to resign and leave the campus out of severe guilt for their “white privilege.” Then they should go somewhere alone and quietly slash their wrists in shame to atone for their whiteness.
So, Lars, why did you take a seat at UC Berkeley when it could have gone to a transexual, a Muslim, or an inner city Black female?
Or 26 year old male Syrian (from Yemen) refugeeeeeeee.
The Asians rule the roost at Berkeley not closely followed by whites. If you were wondering about the illegals you will be delighted to know that they have the Taskforce on Undocumented Members of the On-campus Community.
http://diversity.berkeley.edu/reports-data/diversity-data-dashboard
Interestingly, African-Americans and Pacific Islanders have the lowest enrollment numbers.
I read something about that–the low numbers of Blacks who are accepted at the school but elect go elsewhere. Something about the superficiality of the privileged, paternalistic whites who presume to speak for Blacks and other minorities. You know, whites like Lars.
I’m guessing that “DA MAN” is responsible for that… right, LARS?
Lars T., YOU and your ilk ARE what you accuse the Conservative Right of being. YOUR side, the SJW Flower Monkeys, the Anarchists, etc. run around looking for a reason to screech, hate, berate, riot, loot, assault and vandalize at the drop of a hat, thus you’re ALWAYS looking for something to be offended about. HOW MANY left wing dregs were assaulted, punched, pepper sprayed, or bloodied by those who merelty wanted to attend Milo Y.’s event? HOW MANY times were Trump supporters assaulting, egging or beating those who dissented? HOW MANY times did we hear about Trump Supporters hanging out in mobs assaulting those attending Bernie or Hildebeast rallies?
YOU and your ilk are the NAZIS, Lars T. Your side is JUST LIKE Hitler’s SA, the “Brown Shirts”, they were the ones organizing book burnings, looting and burning Jewish businesses, threatening and carrying out acts of violence against those who dissented with the Nazi Party as well as its dogma and agenda. LOOK AT yourself and your side, UC Berzerkely is just one instance of what an asinine, imbecilic and juvenile bunch you and your side are.
To make my point about how imbecilic and infantile your crowd is, here’s a video of your fellow snowflakes in an infantile “protest”, try that shit in Red State America and see how quickly your crowd would shit themselves and RUN because we don’t put up with infantile bullshit like that, we’re TOO DAMN BUSY working our asses off to earn an income from which excess taxes are collected to feed your lazy asses, give you handouts for college (Including many loans which will never be repaid),…
“Yeah, one of the top universities int he world.” So sayeth the Lars. UC Berkeley may be one of the top rad factories in the United States, but I don’t regard it as one of world’s top universities. And son of a gun, when I googled around, it turns out that UC Berkeley doesn’t make the top 10 and barely makes the top 20 (#19) in ratings of US schools. But, somehow, through the magic of Larsfact, Berkeley is one of the world’s top universities.
Some of the sites love to talk about how Bezerkly was a “hotbed” of radicalism in the 60’s as a key selling point… must be that major/minor in radicalism that is in the “special white privilege catalog”.
Maybe, JUST MAYBE UC Berzerkely was one of our Nation’s top colleges say in the 1940s and 50s before it got so infested and infected with liberals?
The only cure for it now is a bulldozer. Cut all funds and put the faculty out in the job force. That’s if anyone will have them.
While I was snorting around on the internet, I came across this very recent interview by Tucker Carlson, with Milo Yiannopolous as his subject, Milo having just come from the rioting in UCB. Milo makes several good points in this interview, one of which is that dictators do not like laughter, because they can’t control it.
Apparently, Milo’s book, which was the reason he was at UCB in the first place, is being targeted for burning, which only puts more cash in the cash drawer for him if that happens.
This is how very stupid these people are. In order to burn a book, you have to buy the print copy. Any publisher can crank out millions of print copies of something.
Watch the video, ignore Milo’s rather annoying mannerisms, and listen to what he says. It’s worth your time.
https://youtu.be/n3zPMVmqnvk
According to the Tucker Carlson interview with Milo Yiannopoulous (below), UCBerkeley is a good school but it graduates are not getting jobs, period.
There’s something else he says, so pay attention to the interview in the video.
To quote him:
“Either they (schools) go the direction of the University of Chicago and say, ‘y’know what, don’t apply here if you want safe spaces and trigger warnings, this is a place you come to be challenged, this is a place you come to expose yourself to people that you think that you’re going to hate and see if it changes your point of view’ or they’re going to go the direction of University of Missouri and only one type of those institutions is going to be financially viable in the long term.”
What he refers to is a loss of some $40 million in alumni donations at the University of Missouri. The full transcript of that interview is here:
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/02/02/full-transcript-milo-tucker-carlson-tonight/
As I said, he makes several good points in this interview. It’s worth your time to watch it.
“In America I always imagined that this was a country where you could be, do and say anything. What I’ve discovered, not just in journalism but also in the entertainment industry, and particularly and most importantly in academia which is where I try and park my tanks on the lawn and really the try to take the fight to the left which is why they hate me so much, because conservatives are so spineless all the time. I take the fight to them and on American college campuses I have experienced restrictions on the freedom of speech, groupthink and penalties, social and institutional and financial penalties for free expression like nothing I ever experienced before.”
That says it all….
Among the UC Berzerkely Alumni closing their wallets is none other than Scott Adams himself, the creator of “Dilbert”:
http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/02/06/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-stop-donating-alma-mater-uc-berkeley/
https://youtu.be/hwzffeICkP8
So peaceful….
And the hits just keep on coming for UC Bezerkley and Bezerkley PD’s…
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/11/uc-berkeley-police-leadership-failed-in-its-duty-to-serve-and-protect-by-holding-cops-back/
“If the police had been doing their jobs, their paddy wagons would have been full.”
YES!,,, And preferably full of scumbags bleeding from being beaten about he head and ears with night sticks and coughing their lungs out from being pepper-sprayed.
From the link:
“An attorney for the union that represents UC Berkeley police complained that it was because there wasn’t a good tactical plan in place beforehand.”
“They were unable to assist the citizens and the public that were out there that were defenseless against these rioters, who were actively engaging in breaking the law and attacking defenseless citizens,” said John Bakhit, an attorney who represents the Federated University Police Officers Association.”
Seriously, what the fuck kind of excuse is that?
So as I see it, they had NO PLAN other than sitting there scratching their asses when they weren’t picking their noses and retreated when the little anarchist shits went crazy.
” when the little anarchist shits went crazy.”
Lars calls them “students”, the media calls them “black bloc” and Berkeley says “we dunno?”.
WHO CAN TELL if any of the little SHITS were UC Berzerkely students because the UC Berzerkely Keystone Kops didn’t bother to enforce the law, likely out of fear of “offending” one or more of the little snowflakes to the point where their enabler parents threatened to *GASP!* sue?
If they weren’t students that’s all the more reason to play catch up on their head with a night stick and choke them out and make them do the chicken.