Louis E. Dorfman DOES have a Purple Heart

| August 19, 2016

Louis Dorfman

There was some discussion earlier this month about Louis Dorfman, the retired Lieutenant Colonel who gave a Purple Heart Medal to Donald Trump. The short answer is “yes” he was awarded a Purple Heart, there is nothing stolen valor about him;

Dorfman PH citation

Dorfman FOIA Awards

Dorfman FOIA

I’m sure his rank is different between his FOIA and his claims because he didn’t have 3 years in grade before he retired.

Category: Real Soldiers

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68W58

“I’m sure his rank is different between his FOIA and his claims because he didn’t have 3 years in grade before he retired.” Probably. He isn’t a fake in any event, but I think that those who entered service before a certain date (I want to say 1980) don’t have to hold a rank for a particular length of time before they can retire at that rank. So, it’s likely a screwup with the one… Read more »

MustangCryppie

You’re right. A friend of mine didn’t fulfill the time requirement for O-6 and retired at that rank.

He joined up in the 70s.

Hondo

The difference isn’t based on entry date – it’s based on date of retirement. Federal law governs required time in grade for officer retirements. That law did indeed change some years ago, but it’s been a while now. As I recall, the change predates 9/11 by some time, and those currently serving were not grandfathered under the “old rules”. I also believe the Service Secretaries and/or their designees may have some leeway in waiving officer… Read more »

Luddite4Change

It is three years time in grade, waiver able to two. However, a person who serves honorably in time of war or national emergency is entitled to use and wear the highest rank held, regardless of retired rank.

Luddite4Change

Source 10 USC 772(e)

(e) A person not on active duty who served honorably in time of war in the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps may bear the title, and, when authorized by regulations prescribed by the President, wear the uniform, of the highest grade held by him during that war.

68W58

I was referring to the “final pay” retirement system explained here-http://www.military.com/benefits/military-pay/the-military-retirement-system.html

My understanding is that if you are eligible for that system (entered service before September 1980) you don’t have to serve a minimum time in grade to retire at that rank, you only have to hold that rank at retirement.

Hondo

Different subject entirely, but related. And I believe you are incorrect. Final pay retirement eligibility is defined in 10 USC 1406. For optional retirements based on active service (20 years or more), multiple cases are listed in tables for each of the different services, and require cross-referencing several provisions of Federal law to figure out the differences. I waded through those for the Army; the tables for other services appear similar. The various cases listed… Read more »

Hondo

Officer TIG requirements for determining retired grade are contained in 10 USC 1370. They appear to have been in effect since at least 1996, and appear make no distinction between officers who retire under the “final pay” or “high-3” systems. That matches my recollection. I seem to remember those changes in officer TIG requirements for retirement being made at the same time ROPMA made major changes to RC officer personnel policies. However, I can’t be… Read more »

ChipNASA

Louis the “Dorf” Dorfman

MrBill

Dorf on Golf –

Green Thumb

Nothing to see here.

Moving on…

2banana

Not too bad for a guy from supply…

Club Manager

What got me was the dumb ass spokesman for the Purple Heart Society acted as if Trump’s comments were actually serious and sprouted their boiler plate spiel about what is required to be awarded this medal. I complained to them and the response denied knowing anything about the BS response and contained word for word what this guy said. I think their web site also has a often used saying backwards, is it not “All… Read more »

USAFRetired

During the various “drawdowns” we’ve experienced since the post Desert Storm Peace Dividend, the Service Secretaries have waived TIG requirements especially for Field graders to encourage voluntary retirements in order to meet end strength numbers.

Within the Air Force the amount of commissioned time for prior enlisted to retire as officers was rolled back as well.

Claw

All well and good. The only thing I question is him having three awards of the NDSM for the period of time he served. (1976-2010)

Did another period sneak in there that no one knows about?

ChipNASA

Nope…
Vietnam War-January 1, 1961 -August 14, 1974
Persian Gulf War-August 2, 1990-November 30, 1995
Global War on Terrorism-September 11, 2001-Present day

Someone in the Admin Shop screwed up (S-1)

Claw

PV9 Gainey with three NDSMs Part II.

Don’t they know that having three NDSMs means training wheels for the brass balls carrying wheelbarrow are authorized?

Damn PAC clerks.

19D2OR4-Smitty

Unless AR 670-1 is completely different for officers from enlisted, he is not supposed to be wearing medals on the ASU except as an option when wearing it in the dress blue configuration. Of which he is not, as that is the class A.

19D2OR4-Smitty

His unit awards are also crooked and his RDI is off center.

2/17 Air Cav

Oh, and his underwear is a size too small.

reddevil

The regs always alllowed to wear full sized medals on the Service uniform, and it looks to me like they still do (see below). However, this is very unusual, especially for an officer – normally its something you only see when the ASU is worn in a ceremony- in a parade or as part of an honor guard/color guard. The Old Guard always wears full size medals during ceremonies. It is completely within regs unless… Read more »

2/17 Air Cav

The flap was that Trump accepted it. Some wondered whether the PH was legit and if the Veteran was indeed a veteran. Well, the Veteran is legit, the Veteran’s Purple Heart is legit, and sine the Purple Heart is his, he can do what he wishes with it–or a replica of it. He didn’t throw it over a fence or something. End of story. thank you for your service, your sacrifice, and for not supporting… Read more »

jonp

^^^word

he earned it, he can do with it what he wishes short of dishonoring it.

reddevil

I think the flap to many wasn’t whether or not LTC Dorfman could/should have given Trump his medal. In my mind he has every right, I didn’t even think about that particular element of this at all until I read it here, and it never occurred to me to question Dorfman’s service. I don’t even question his motives- free speech, he is entitled to his views. In terms of political speech, I feel he has… Read more »

A Patriot

Sorry, but Shrillary Clinton and Joe Stalin Obama are the assholes.

OldManchu

Thank you for your service Sir!