That DHS report, once again
CPT11A sends us a link to Politico which drags out the discredited DHS report from 2009 that warned of crazed veterans creating terrorism. Actually, I kind of expected this after the murderers in Dallas and Baton Rouge turned out to be veterans. Everyone seems willing to accept any excuse besides the radical Black Lives Matter movement. The NRA, and now this Daryl Johnson who copy and pasted his report to disgraced DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano from the pages of Southern Poverty Law Center’s hate Watch columns wants to blame conservatives for these two shootings.
The events in Dallas and Baton Rouge that left eight police officers dead and ten wounded have rekindled the frustration felt by Johnson and others involved in the study. Both shooters, XXX and XXX, were former veterans who had served in Iraq or Afghanistan. They were also members of radical groups like the New Black Panther Party and an obscure group called the Moorish sovereign citizen movement, respectively. According to current and former counterterrorism experts from various federal agencies, both acts of violence fell squarely within the purview of the DHS branch, which studied extremism across the political spectrum.
Both murderers wanted to kill white cops, that had nothing to do with their military service, one was a carpenter and the other was a data processor. Everything they did after their service led them down to their ultimate demise, nothing they did during their service had anything to do with it.
This Johnson fellow has been trying to revive his report and will use any opportunity.
Though the numbers of non-military shooters in the country dwarf those of returned veterans, some of the most high-profile and deadliest shootings in recent years have been carried out by ex-military. These include the Umpqua College shooting in Oregon in 2015; the Navy Yard shooting in 2013; the Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooting in 2014; and the Fort Hood massacre in 2009.
Nice list, except that none of those shooters had any deployments and that was the main part of the DHS report – that thousands of veterans were returning from war and eager to smoke civilians with their military training.
But after the DHS report appeared in April 2009, conservative groups swiftly mobilized.
And there’s the rub – it was Conservatives’ fault that these shooting happened.
“Is there some kind of agency or working group focusing on tracking returning military veterans? Not that I know of, not at all,” says Mark Potok, a senior analyst at the Southern Poverty Law Center. “And I think probably if somebody tried to do that it would be politically explosive.”
“Very many veterans are very vulnerable in a lot of ways,” he adds. “I think there’s a real risk.”
What agency is tracking Mark Potok? The Family Research Council shooting can be laid squarely at his feet.
Like I said, the Left and the media are searching for stuff to blame except that which is really the culprit. The new American culture of hatred. Veterans are the cure not the cause.
Category: Dumbass Bullshit
Dadburnit, Sarge, you’re using that confounded common sense thingy again!
That Big They Bunch of whiners do not want common sense. They want dissension, disruption, angry whatever-ethnicity disorder. Stir the pot, that kind of thing.
Common sense is SO-O-O-O last decade!
IS IT ANY coincidence that NONE of those said COWARDS were NRA Members, Republicans OR Christian?
Surely you lie! /sarc
Kinda like certain assholes blaming “religion” when it’s been one religion in particular (the one that says child molestation, slavery, protection rackets, rape, and mass-murder are okay) that’s been a common thread among shitbags. Haven’t heard of any Sikh suicide bombers, Buddhist mass shooters, Episcopal honor killings, or Mormon shari’a gangs, have you?
No, but a lot of those have been laid at the door of the Catholic Church, and not historically – recently. Child molestation? Slavery? (see the Magdalene Laundries in Ireland) – the Church, like an large institution made up of people, has its bad apples too. Having said that, Islam currently has more bad players than the rest – combined – but the tarbrush gets every religion.
Point to the veterans, we are easy targets.
Especially those of us still in uniform. They know we won’t speak up, because we are not allowed to.
Keep fighting the good fight Jonn.
I guess there will soon be a law passed making it a crime to be a Vet.
Who will I take my dog to if she gets sick?
No, no, no…..it will just be illegal for us to own firearms, assemble in groups larger than 3, travel out of state without alerting our handler, vote, go within 100 meters of a public park or school……
, drink alcohol, go to concerts, go to movie theaters or speak to anyone via phone, email or in person.
I would like to know what a “former veteran” is. Is that someone who served, ETS’ed, and later renounced his Veteran status? Anyone?
You may need to contact the Department of Redundancy Department to get an answer to that. 😉
Oh and if you need cash there’s an ATM machine right outside on the corner. 😛
John Kerry comes to mind.
It seems to me that if Veterans are a public-safety danger, then those who spent the most time in service, those who trained others in the employment of violence must be among the most dangerous Veterans of all. That’s right, I’m referring to retirees, especially young retirees, those who enlisted at 17 or 18 or 19 and did 20. These are the people who are most thoroughly indoctrinated into the deadly and pernicious military culture. And although you may think that I refer only to EMs, I do not. A butter bar at 21 or 22 who gets 20 is only 42 or so when he retires as a major. So, where are these killers? They are the ones most likely to deal death, are they not? So, what’s up with that? Why aren’t there retirees and former officers sniping at police and doing wholesale violence? It couldn’t be that the association between Veteran and heartless evildoer is a convenient construct of the left, could it?
Us US Army Ski Instructors are a massive bunch of certified killers !!!
I noticed recently in my DAV Magazine that a Public Affairs Officer reunion is scheduled to be held in Jacksonville. I hope that city has their SWAT on standby for the carnage which will almost certainly take place. Ditto for the Chaplain Corps reunion being held in Salt Lake City. Oh, the horror.
Except for the most part it seems the carpenters and clerks are the killers not the dreaded 11Bs and 0311s…
Also for some reason a lot of them that are shitbags when they leave the service seem to have been shitbags when they entered the service…who knew right?
Eliminate minorities and Muslims from the deranged Veteran murderer’s list and who is left, say, within the last 20 years? (Hint: McVeigh is outside the 20.) Eliminate the Muslims and Muslim sympathizers and what’s the list look like now? There’s a common denominator but it isn’t Veteran.
The President and I can’t possibly imagine what on God’s green earth you are referring to in your comments…
Common denominators? Hmm perhaps we should have congress authorize a study.
Nancy Pelosi could run it. She’s objective, right?
This Story was brought to you by a bunch of idiots (politico) that have a lot of there story’s veted by the DNC and Obummer. No big suprise for a organized crime group like they are. Blame someone else
So, we can’t blame the actions of 1 or 2 on the whole, except for veterans, republicans, NRA members, Fox News (employees and watchers), and/or gun owners?
This reminds me of a Star Trek TNG episode where they go to a planet and find the leaders have sent all the “veterans” of a war to a planet to keep them away from the normal citizens because they could be dangerous. “They are extremely comfortable and well cared for, we just can’t have them here among the populace.”
Right it’s perfectly fine to go ahead and blame all veterans and gun owners for the actions of less than 20 people…but you can’t blame all muslims for the actions of thousands….
Perfect and typical democratic/lefty logic on display.
I’m a veteran, republican, NRA member, FOX news watcher and gun owner. How will I know when I’m supposed to start terrorizing?
Codes are posted here most every week. Please pay attention to The WOT.
When your gun jumps off the table and starts shooting people by itself.
You’ll get a message over the radio. “The Chair is against the wall.”
If you get a later message saying, “John has a long mustache”, then stand down and go back to waiting.
SHITE! Wrong clip
And the excuse for not repatriating them was ‘we might need them again some day’.
The lack of responsibility for what was done to make them the perfect warriors was striking.
Anyone who’s studied mythology knows that myths don’t survive unless they serve a purpose.
The myth of the “crazed/damaged veteran” is no exception to this. It serves a lot of purposes for a lot of people.
For example, for those who avoided or shunned military service in time of war, the myth reinforces and justifies their decision: “Wow! I’m glad I didn’t sign up after 9/11 like my buddies did because now they’re all PTSD-addled nut cases! There but for the Grace of God, etc.”
It allows those who disdain military service as being “beneath their station” to cloak their denigration in terms of concern and pity: “Oh, those poor, poor, vets! The horrors they’ve seen, the terrible, awful things they’ve been forced to do.”
And finally, we all know that just like in the civilian world, there are those in the military who are just failures in life – and the myth of the “damaged vet” is used by them (or their defenders) to explain away their actions: “It’s not my little Johnny’s fault that he stole that car and hurt all those people! After he came back from THE WAR he just wasn’t the same! It was the Marines that broke him!” (and the fact that Johnny’s twin brother who never served a day acted as his accomplice during said crimes, is conveniently never mentioned.)
With military service moving further outside the mainstream of American life we can only expect this trend to continue.
After all, most people who have never served or never known anybody who served don’t understand that for 80%+ of the military, a deployment to a combat zone is just 6 – 12 months of mind numbing boredom, idiotic rules and discomfort (when I went to Kuwait in 2004 I think my family was a little surprised when I told them that the movie that most perfectly captured what our life was like was … Office Space.)
I even had a red stapler on my desk the last 6 or 7 years. I literally had my office moved 8 or 9 times in the same building because “the they” wanted to reorganize so much.
Civilians don’t understand how much things in the military can be like “real life”.
Here’s a true story from my Kuwait deployment: We went over in DCU’s but our NG unit did not have the tan-colored subdued shoulder patches, so we had our green-and-black BDU style patches on instead (which is allowed by regulation if the tan patches are not available.)
So about 5 months into our deployment, we finally got our tan patches, and one of the TWO Sergeants Major in the 60 person unit (a headquarters detachment) went around handing out patches to everyone and telling them to get them sewed on (we were spread out in different camps all over Kuwait: Arifjan, Doha, Buehring, the airport, the naval base, etc.)
Then a few weeks later, after hearing that some soldiers had not yet sewn on their desert-tan patches, he announced via email that he would be inspecting each section to ensure that they were all sporting their tan patches and had removed the green ones.
This was right after our little section had watched “Office Space” so immediately one of my junior NCOs announced that “The Sergeant Major will be coming by to make sure everyone is wearing at least 15 pieces of flair.” 😀
That was not – by far – the stupidest thing that went on during that deployment but it was one of the most memorable.
Did anyone tell the Sergeant Major “I really don’t want to take about my flair”?
Hey, someone gave me a red Swingline stapler as a birthday gift a while back. I will never part with it.
That’s hilarious.
I saw a kid in Baghdad in 05 who was wearing his black fleece underneath his ACU top. On the way out of the chow hall, some E-7 stops him and tells him that he’s not wearing it correctly. That poor PFC had probably been bugged about it 15 times a day already. He was respectful, went to parade rest, and told the SFC, “I understand SFC, but our 1SG told us to wear them like this, so that’s what we’re doing.” No shit: SFC says, “Well YOU need to go back to YOUR 1SG and tell him he’s WRONG and fix it!”
I really felt bad for that private. I was a lowly E-6 at the time so I didn’t say anything, but it was a damn shame to hear that conversation. For many reasons.
Yeah, in my world, my Sailors would have said, “talk to the MC” and I would said to whom had an uniform issue in combat, “be at the CPO Mess at 1900 and we will discuss your misunderstanding in full detail”.
Oh yeah, and there’s also this:
Ever notice that you can’t find any clips of the Simpsons episode where Lisa becomes ruler of the world and destroys all of the guns on the planet? Aliens end up taking over Earth with the most dangerous weapon left – a 2×4 board. Moe chases them off when he creates a board with a nail in it.
The Left doesn’t like it because it demonstrates the vulnerability of the unarmed.
With respect to DHS some 30 to 40 % of all employees in some agencies are Vets.
None of us Vets are amused by this drivel.
Nor are many of the senior leadership (many who are Vets).
I might suggest that the report was produced in isolation for effect.
But, what do I know …
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