Good Enough to Die For

| May 14, 2016

From the Poetrooper archives circa December 16, 2006;

I have just read a mea culpa by Vietnam War protestor, novelist and poet, Pat Conroy, who possesses the literary skills to express what I am willing to bet many other older American males, his former brothers at the barricades, also feel, but lack the skills and the honesty to articulate. It is left to men like the politically born again David Horowitz and novelist Conroy to speak for these old troupers of the Left’s long-haired legions, to reveal their long hidden recognition that they were possibly misguided in their protesting but more often than most will ever admit, motivated more by fear of serving in combat than by any sense of moral/political rectitude.

For that reason this is an issue that reverberates only within the ranks of male protestors of that era. For the braless, hygiene and make-up challenged young women of the movement, there existed no threat of death or disfigurement in combat, so the purity of their motives is questionable only in the intellectual, not the moral sense. They may have been naïve fools but they weren’t hiding a blushing personal cowardice behind the skirts of world socialism. This then, is an issue of character only for these now old, greying men who, like Conroy, must eventually face the moral consequences of their actions in those turbulent days.

As someone who, like most of us, has experienced events in my life where I now wish that I had shown more moral and physical courage, more honesty, and most importantly, more unquestioning love and understanding of family, I know how those failures live with you long after the memories of trying to do so many things right have dimmed. Many of my lapses involved nothing more than minor events where I failed to speak up, or stand up and be counted, or even stand up and be knocked down; but regardless of their minor nature, it is these life events that forever remain active in my psyche. In my mid-sixties now, I have learned all too well that it’s not the fights you won or even the fights you lost that keep niggling away at the edges of your conscience: it’s the fights you failed to fight when you knew damned well that you should.

Deceased author John D. MacDonald, who wrote the wonderful Travis McGee mystery series, once explained through his fictional hero, McGee, the way to make correct moral decisions and it is a simple wisdom that has stayed in my brain, but not always exemplified by my behavior, through the remainder of my life. It is nothing more than this: do the hard thing. When faced with tough choices, look to that course of action which is the one you want least to follow because it appears to be the most difficult for you; it may hurt personally, but almost always, it is the right course for you to follow for the good of others.

My belief is that a lot of Vietnam War protestors were rightfully fearful of the physical perils of combat, as were all those of us who chose to serve there; but where we tamped down those fears and continued the mission, they wrongfully used a contrived moral outrage against the war as convenient cover to conceal their cowardice. To buttress that theory one simply has to look at how the huge, angry protests diminished, and ultimately disappeared in a remarkably short time once Congress ended the military draft. As young, draft-age men, all those angry protestors were able at the time to righteously rationalize away their true motivation until Congress stole their alibi, and only now, with the awareness and self-accounting that comes with age, are they, like Pat Conroy, facing the truth of their personal cowardice. Sadly, too late, they have come to realize the truth of Conroy’s most perceptive quote:

“America is good enough to die for even when she is wrong.”

I believe those are words worthy of being carved into every war memorial in America. And I am thankful that I and all my brothers and sisters at arms who served then, and those who serve now, possessed then and now, but even in our callow youth, the intrinsic wisdom to recognize that truth. All Americans must die, but those who understand this fundamental reality about this very unique nation will die with their chins held just a few degrees higher than those who didn’t realize it when they should have, but now do, like Conroy and his legions, and sadly, those young people of today who still do not.

Crossposted from American Thinker

Category: Politics

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American Kestrel

Well said. “Every man dies, not every man really lives.”

STSC(SW/SS)

Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure… than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.

Theodore Roosevelt

ex-OS2

Excellent article. The love we have for our nation must be unconditional.

2/17 Air Cav

I wonder what exactly America is nowadays. Is it a place? Is it the many disparate, unassimilated groups that pursue their own selfish interests? Is it a government structure w/o regard to the structure’s people, the Kerrys, Clintons, Reids, Murthas? Is it a hope? Is it a memory? I really don’t know.

ex-OS2

Let me rephrase. The love we have for the foundation principles of our nation must be unconditional.

bman

The demise of the Presbyterian church can be attributed to the number of draft dodgers admitted to the seminaries during the Vietnam war. As they grew in administrative power the church doctrine changed so that now it is a progressive church run by those that would not serve their country. IMHO

OWB

That is pretty much true of all the main line churches.

Rok

Not that I share all My Pop’s views but he blamed everything on the Presbyterians and Episcopalians. He often surmised that they were only Baptists who could read and write. Not a bad theory about seminaries and Vietnam though. I also remember the Quakers being full of lofty headed libtards bent on disgracing everything American. The Quakes were often in front of in-country bases & posts or establishing coffee houses geared to GI’s to stop the war.

Ex-PH2

Poetrooper, it’s nice to know that you’re an old fart like me. <3 <3 <3

I saw a news photo on Reuters this morning of Russian servicemen who are celebrating the Russian/Soviet victory against the Nazis. They looked quite happy.

I have said, and will continue to say, that the disruptive events that began in the 1960s are coming to an end. Even using a 'softer' approach, those on the left side of the fence still haven't hammered this country into the dirt – no matter what anyone thinks. And they never will.

Bill

Graduated The Citadel a couple of years before Pat Conroy–He was a great patriot. He was conflicted by the power of the pheds, authority in general. He was best known for “The Great Santini” but other novels and articles were wonderful as well. He was like a lot of us–troubled by events, but American to the core and to the end. He died last month.

Jilly

thanks

Sparks

I offer Pat Conroy respect for seeing the errors he made in his youth. Honestly we all see our youthful errors in sometimes painful retrospect. At least I do. Even those of us who did serve in that war.

He spoke honestly when he wrote, “I understand now that I should have protested the war after my return from Vietnam, after I had done my duty for my country. I have come to a conclusion about my country that I knew then in my bones but lacked the courage to act on: America is good enough to die for even when she is wrong.”

Sadly there are still far too many of those stank assed hippies from that era who cling to the lie that it was purely and altruistically their moral duty to protest and had nothing to do with their lack of courage. Unfortunately as well, they have for decades climbed the ladders of academia into tenure and are now the voices of the same cowardice,(make that, the same “national moral conscience”, in their view) to today’s youth.

Mr. Conroy will be missed.

Jarhead

During a leave shortly after returning from my first trip to RVN, someone asked, “How do you feel about fighting over there?” My response was, “I’d rather be fighting over there than back here.” After returning from my second (and last) trip in late ’69, protests were going on in many cities. I was just neutral altogether about them and avoided the subject in general. During that second trip, often it came to mind that with the occasional but brief “Do not fire periods”, there were times that caused me to wonder what we were actually doing in RVN as it seemed we were not actually attempting to win and shut Lars’ friendly Communists down once and for all. Then when Lars’ “foolish to worry about Communists” took over Saigon and showed us the door quickly, I wondered even more…was it worth the loss of lives? In spite of mixed emotions for many years standing up for the stank ass hippies, draft evaders, draft card burners NEVER even remotely entered my mind. Yes, I agree with this well-written Poetrooper article that cowardice was likely a big motivating factor in MANY of those protesting the war and/or running off to Canada. Throughout life I have never let that thought block the paths I took, both good as well as those not so good. Frankly, stories written by Conroy make me wonder if they revealed a true inner guilt, a come-to awakening…or simply a way to sell a book and make a few bucks. I just don’t give a shit what his or others like him thought. An awakening lack of self respect in the psyche of another person has no bearing on any of the years passed in my life. It’s part of history to those of us who served, and I wonder no less about those who volunteered to serve than those who were drafted and forced to serve. Never been a concern what anyone else thought of those of us who did volunteer and I obviously could not give a rat’s ass what one Commissar thinks the world According… Read more »

Sparks

I agree and you wrote this well Jarhead. Thank you.

The Other Whitey

I challenge Lars to repeat that shit to my father-in-law. I’ll have the camera rolling as Lars gets his ass stomped flat by a quiet 61-year-old 5’5″ slim-statured southeast Asian gentleman with diabetes.

He fought the Cong, NVA, and Khmer Rouge. He got better at fighting after he received training from Americans. He killed communists to defend his hearth, home, and kin. In the end, it wasn’t enough, as the superpower helping him, his countrymen, and their neighbors to the north and east to resist the communists decided to abandon them.

The communists who took over sent him and his family to a “reeducation facility” (known internationally as the Killing Fields) as “enemies of the people,” not because he had fought against them, but because he’s half-Chinese and could read and write in two languages (Khmer and French). The communists made him watch while they gang-raped his wife. They made him watch when they shot his 4-year-old son in the back of the head. He eventually escaped with the help of a communist who got a little too careless and wound up a little too dead to need his AK anymore, broke his wife out, and made it across the Thai border, where my wife was born. A few months later, they got off a plane in San Diego, and stayed here ever since, becoming naturalized US citizens along the way.

Come on, Lars. Tell that man that he’s “foolish” to fear communists. You’ll survive, but only because he considers you not worth killing.

Jarhead

Presenting Lars with his MATCH DELUXE! With all the shit we saw and endured as individuals, few of us can come close to this. Thanks for sharing T O W.

The Other Whitey

Yeah, suffice it to say, Mrs. Whitey’s Dad really fucking hates all things even remotely communist, socialist, Marxist, Maoist, etc. Though not native-born, that man is American down to the chemical bonds of his DNA.

aGrimm

I thoroughly disagree with this comment: “America is good enough to die for even when she is wrong”. The line is good, but the implication in context is that the VN war was wrong.

We honored our pact commitment to SVN. This was not wrong. The US was not wrong. We fought for the freedom of the SVN. This was the right thing to do because they deserve freedom just as much as we do. What difference is there from when we fought for others’ freedom in Europe and Korea? I am damned proud to have fought for the South Vietnamese freedom and it would have been even better if we could have freed the North.

We won the war, but we know exactly who* threw it away and who ended up paying the price – millions of SVN.
* the same clowns who now rue their lack of courage. Well boo-hoo to them.

aGrimm

Poet: I just object to the persistent drumbeat that we were in an unjust war. It took me many years after coming home to get past that meme because that is all we heard – and still hear. For years and years I did not talk about my participation in the war. Why? Because I was in an “unjust” war and I felt less than honorable. I did not find out about the defense pact we had with Nam until maybe 20 years later. It took no reflection to realize we did the right the honorable thing by honoring the pact and that my part – and yours – was highly honorable. I can understand Conroy’s position, but I refuse to accept in any way that it was a “wrong” or unjust war.

Re the chopper whop-whop-whop: although the sound evokes deep memories of some “interesting” moments, for me the whop-whop principally evokes, “Alright! Support or extraction!” Hair on the back of my neck? Happens when on a hike in the woods and the quiet of the forest is broken with the sound of a twig snap. Caught myself more than once moving a phantom M16 into rapid fire position, quickly followed by, “G-D(+ other expletives) pine cone falling.”

Jarhead

Poetrooper….Where did time go so suddenly? Here we are old enough to be great, great grandfathers; yet still hanging on to the youth (At least I do)remaining…more mental than physical. How’s this for an awakening..remember the beatniks and their coffee houses way back when? Now that memory sure shows some lines in our faces. There alone is reason to suspect Lars is today what the beatniks were back then. Especially when you click on this link and note they were considered pro Communists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_Generation Never dawned on me that one who claims little to worry about Communisim could actually be a modern day supporter. Poetrooper…our lives and sacrifices are history. The damned media was not and never is wrong, in their humble opinion. We currently have a Prez. that cares nothing for us, the history we were part of, nor the ultimate sacrifices made by over 58,200 souls in RVN. If anything, one day before he leaves office, I expect him to travel to Hanoi and apologize for the U. S. fighting the North. All on this site are brothers who must live with the personal knowledge that we did what we did at that time, because we believed what our leaders were giving as reason for us to be there. My trips were to help prevent the North Vietnamese Communists from taking over the entire country. Rather than spend a life questioning my involvement, it went on, all the while doing my best to put it out of my mind. Always it was simply considered “doing the right thing at the right time”, without regret. If I live to be a hundred, there are no expectations such as those you hope for. Looking back at Kent State, it becomes clear it was not only the media, but just as much responsible was the political machine. Knowing that, life passing by so fast has been a blessing Another ten years would be wonderful, providing I am still able to walk the tops of roofs, use a nail gun, cast a fishing lure, and walk as far and often as I… Read more »

Mark D Worthen PsyD

You also possess darn good literary skills Poetrooper. I greatly appreciate your illuminating post, and alerting us to the piece by Pat Conroy.

I liked it so much, and I believe your post and the article by the late Mr. Conroy are so important, that I posted to Twitter, Google+, Facebook, and Reddit about it. I don’t think I’ve ever done that before on ThisAin’tHell … or many other sites for that matter.

Thank you.

Martinjmpr

Well, before I start let me just say that the draft ended when I was 11 so I can’t say this is from personal experience but I wonder if much of the “draft effect” on protesters wasn’t so much physical fear of battle as it was a resentment of the fact that their life’s path would be interrupted by 2 years of, essentially, enforced servitude.

I’m sure that by the time the protests hit their peak, anybody who was truly, genuinely afraid of being killed in battle would know that the safest place to “hide out” during a war is in the military.

Get yourself a cushy billet as a Russian linguist or an ICBM maintenance technician and you pretty much guarantee that the only way you’ll see the Mekong Delta or the Central Highlands is on your TV screen.

So that makes me think it wasn’t so much fear of combat that motivated the protesters as it was anger at the idea that if their number was drawn, they’d have to get their heads shaved, get yelled at by a high-school dropout from Alabama and have to spend a couple of years buffing floors, scrubbing toilets and pulling maintenance on jeeps while their undrafted high school buddies were partying in college and getting established in their careers.

Martinjmpr

To put the above in a shorter statement, I think the primary motivation of the anti-war draft age males was selfishness, not fear.

Being “anti-war” simply gave them a way to dress their selfishness up with moral sanctimony.