Military Times poll; Trump by 2:1 over Clinton
The folks at Military Times took a poll of 951 troops (66% identified themselves as enlisted service members) and found that more than 50% would choose Trump over Clinton who attracted 25% of military folks. 21% said they wouldn’t vote if those were their only choices. Bernie Sanders does better in a Trump/Sanders match up, garnering 38% and 11% voting with their feet.
It’s really not surprising. The Democrats have consistently shown us their ass on issues like military readiness and national security. I’m pretty sure Trump would not crowd source decisions on those issues. But, then, who knows what he thinks about the military and our issues – he’s never been clear on that. But Sanders and Clinton are clear how they come down – Sanders avoided the draft in the 60s, like Trump.
Hillary fake-enlisted in the Marines and fake-ducked sniper fire once. Her husband, however, slashed military spending while driving up the op-tempo with Meals-on-Wheels deployments. Her husband’s secretary of state wanted to know why the military couldn’t be used more often to cram our policies down other countries’ collective throats. The current Democrat president has gutted the military services to the bone and slashed pay and benefits leaving us barely able to defend ourselves, sending the troops off to war without allowing them to call it war. The social justice warriors direct foot traffic in the halls of the Pentagon. Who wants four or eight more years of that confusion?
Category: Military issues
Only 951?
Not much of a survey.
And FIRST!!!
What first is only on the WOT Lol….
by the way I’m second:)
If done correctly the sample size doesn’t have to be huge but there is no way to know if it was done correctly.
If this is accurate it’s not good news for Trump. The military usually votes republican by a large margin. 54% is pretty bad. I think a lot of Republicans will sit this one out. At least enough to keep him from winning.
I’d be really interested in seeing the differences between this poll and polls taken at about the same point in the races from 2000-2012. My recollection is leads me to believe this shows much less democratic support than in years past.
We have a long way to go, 5 months is a lifetime in political circles and races.
Everybody is calling this like it’s already over with and we should all just agree and have killary’s inauguration next Monday morning…
I am just sick of all the horse shit coming from both Trump and Cruz camps, even my favorite talk show guy is throwing in the towel already…
A lot of all of this depends on Comey at the FBI and if he has the guts to do the right thing and charge the bitch with criminal acts regarding her emails and the quid pro quo that she no doubt received for donations to the Clinton Foundation…
Sheesh guys, chill the fuck out and just sit back, get the popcorn out and watch the fur fly…
Who said popcorn? Where?
What is it some of those kids in the military don’t understand about sanders being a communist? the NEA shortened their education and left out what communism is? All they have to do is look at clinton, russia and china!!!
Search for Trumps Foreign Policy Speech from a few weeks ago. He laid out his position on the Military. He wants a well funded, well trained, lethal military. Why, because he understands negotiations, sometimes you need a carrot and a stick.
“Officers were more likely to back Clinton than enlisted troops, though the officers still favored Trump by a 46 percent to 32 percent tally. Enlisted respondents broke 58 percent to 21 percent for Trump.
The same held for Sanders, where he outpaced Trump’s support by a 45 percent to 43 percent margin among Navy members.”
I knew it. Freakin’ Navy.
I am seeing polls in my sleep….
I need to drink more before I retire for the evening.
That 21% who won’t vote are actually voting…they perhaps don’t understand their non-vote is a vote for Hillary Clinton.
It’s always interesting to hear people claim that not choosing is an option. Not choosing is still an actual choice, just perhaps an unintended choice. But it’s always a choice for the person running against your non-choice.
I bet somewhere in the Hillary and Bernie camps someone is saying the same thing, but in reverse.
If I were more inclined to conspiracy theories, I’d even say that this is exactly what the big parties want you to believe. In the end, they don’t care who gets the vote, just as long as it doesn’t go to a third party. The two-party system must stay intact at all costs!
I’ll take off my tin-foil hat now and show myself out…
VOV. I’m playing with what you suggest and begin with the micro scale. There are two candidates (Smith and Jones) competing for an office. Including them, there are five eligible voters. Each candidate votes for himself, and one of the others votes for Jones (Jones 2, Smith 1.) The other two dislike both candidates. Change up. If they were motivated to vote, both remaining eligible voters would settle for Smith (Jones 2, Smith 3.) If they split their votes, it’s Jones 3, Smith 2. Go where you will or not at all. Like I said, I am just toying with this ‘no vote is a vote’ thingy.
The issue comes in with the people who already take themselves out of the voting bloc. It leaves between 35-50% of the public voting and the other half sitting around with their thumbs up their asses hoping something different will happen.
Consequently the folks that do vote matter, and the danger for republicans is simple. They don’t hold a national majority of registered voters, neither do the democrats…independents are now more important than ever to both parties in a general election…candidates need to appeal to those independents at some point. Those independents tend to not be very liberal or very conservative, but instead float around that dreaded middle of the road…so every conservative who stays home and pouts is conceding a vote to someone in the middle..or even left of middle.
Republicans who are very conservative might not like that reality any more than Democrats who are very liberal, but it’s the reality of a general election. If you decide to concede your voice you need to recognize to whom you are conceding.
That’s why I make the connection that staying home is typically voting for the other party’s candidate, especially if you are either a conservative or a liberal because the dreaded moderates are malleable and typically float left of center on social issues…
Stay home and take your chances for Hillary, or get out and vote for Trump…it’s a hard road for Republicans no matter what. Staying home doesn’t make it easier.
951 people surveyed out of 310 million, and I’m supposed to believe it’s a valid survey?
Pleeze!!! I’ve seen better stuff come out of anonymous surveys on sex left at bus stops.
We’re in the middle of the campaign season. There is a long way to go.
I’ll put it this way:
shrillary is in this to get that slimeball she’s married to back into the White House, and nothing else.
the bernout is an incompetent loob who has no idea where money comes from but sure does know how to spend yours.
Trump is a loud-mouthed pompous ass who is neither of the above.
This is what you get this time around.
No, it was a nonscientific survey, as the Mil Times noted.
You are a funny, funny man, 2/17 Air Cav.
I’m wondering if that higher figure for Hillary among officers isn’t a bit of ass-covering by the more cautious among them. With this chicken shit, Democrat commander in chief, you never know who’s on the other end of that phone conversation inquiring about your political preferences.
Even if it was done face-to-face, some careerists might be reluctant to reveal their true preference. I can’t imagine any career officer voting for a person and a party that they KNOW are hell-bent on reducing their career prospects to serving in an undermanned, underfunded force with uncertain pension and benefits waiting at the end of it.
Hillary is likely to follow her husband’s example. Bill liked to brag that he’d reduced federal employment, which he did, but all the cuts were in the military.
That’s actually the part that makes sense to me. I would guess out of every 100 enlisted and officers I ever knew about, probably 15% of enlisted and 40% of officers admitted swinging Democratic..this was in the early ’80s. Maybe 60% and 40% respectively Republican, and most of the rest apolitical or apathetic. Mostly apathetic and low-information.
When WW1 started, Wilson(D) was president. When WW2 started, Roosevelt(D) was president. When Korea started, Truman(D) was president. When Vietnam started Johnson (or Kennedy, choose your poison)(D) was president.
If I was an officer, I would remember “a bloody war or a sickly season” then look at the probabilities.
Can we just have a mulligan on this election and start over with new candidates? I’d rather another year of B. Obama than ANY of these people. Never thought I’d say this, but reality is a strange thing, and public opinion is even stranger.
Amen. The only possible positive I see is that one of the 3rd parties might actually get the 15% of polls required for debate entry.
There were a few fresh faces on the R side when this primary season began and many SOBs such as Jeb, Marco and Miss South Carolina who grabbed their ankles for the Ds and thought they could BS their way into a win. Now that it’s all but over, only Trump and commie lite are standing. America had choices. It made some bad ones.
And now you know why obama cuts the military over and over but can find plenty of money for millions of illegals and muslim “refugee”
Yep! Look at the hoops we have to jump through to get VA care, but an illegal alien saying “Gimme right now” gets things yesterday.
I don’t know what they are measuring. I know hundreds, upon thousands, upon millions, upon billions of liberals currently serving In the military. I’m right, the above linked Military Times polling is incorrect. Why? Because I said so.
LTN,
You’re funny. More funny than LT.
Do you know Jack Shit? I do, he’s a friend of mine.
Sit down, relax, and I’ll summarize the majority of my arguments here:
The poll is non-scientific but the results are about what I would expect.
Perhaps a little less support for Bernie than I would have expected.
But the military community leans pretty rightwing and Bernie is decidedly left wing.
I have no idea why you would think I would disagree with this poll.
Probably because you are full of shit and do not know a damn thing about me.
It is also childish trolling to use someone’s name as your screen name if you are not that person.
Like literally textbook basement dwelling adolescent shitbag level of trolling.
He’s only using that screen name because “Commissar’s Full of Shit” was already taken.
Anonymous trolls are cowards.
Ha!Ha! Struck a nerve I see. You constantly come here to take your beat downs then cry about how we are all right wingers who aren’t as smart as you.
Word is you were the same on active duty. Few liked you there as well.
If the military is so right leaning, why is it that just about every PX around the country has a vendor out front selling all the Obama crap and I see several people walking around in and around the post with Obama t-shirts?
I always thought they were stupid. Supporting the party that wants to take away your career is not a smart career move.
The military is right leaning.
That is a fact. They have progressives but overall the demographics of the US armed forced leans right.
I have no idea how it is even possible that someone is pushing back on that claim.
It is as though people want to disagree with everything I say.
As for the anecdote about a vendor selling Obama “crap” how is that relevant to anything?
I wanted some expert advice, so I tried to give it to myself. Although I gave myself some advice, there was nothing expert about it. You guys do not have to feel bad with the way I reply to you, because I’m not even nice to myself. I’m still correct about things that I will even disagree with myself.
@ B Woodman. I’m afraid that I do not know your friend, Jack Shit. I would ask you to introduce me to him, but no matter how hard we tried, I would not know him.
LTN,
I’ll have to introduce you to Jack next time he shows up here.
Jack? Ohhh, Jack? Where are you?
1/4 of our military hating the country is still worrying though.
I don’t know what you all are yapping about. That’s a poll. It isn’t voting. It’s answered under some kind of duress, mostly to get rid of the pollster. People change their minds at the last minute, and you know it.
Besides, Sanders beat Clinton in West Virginia today.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-westvirginia-idUSKCN0Y1163
Still five months to go, y’know.
I don’t like Clinton but I will not vote for the draft dodger Trump. So I guess it is none of the above.
Unfortunately, even those who sit out, or vote 3rd party when they normally vote for one of the two main parties, have a “say” in who ultimately gets elected.
If you’d normally vote Republican, but sit this out or vote 3rd party, then you end up helping Hillary become president.
If you’d normally vote Democrat, but sit this out or vote 3rd party, then you end up helping Trump.
Yep. “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”
Is that a Rush to judgement?
Never could figure out the seeming near universal fascination with polls. The only one that counts is on Election Day.
Sure, it can be a useful tool inside campaigns to help determine spending priorities, for instance. Other than that – why should I care? We got too many other things to do.
Polls are like assholes….
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