DoD won’t acknowledge 5 states’ ID card
If you want to get on a military base and your ID card/driver license is from Minnesota, Illinois, Missouri, New Mexico and Washington, you’ll need another form of ID, like a passport. State ID cards from those states don’t conform to REAL ID Act standards, according to Fox News;
The legislation was meant to tighten standards for government-issued IDs – like driver’s licenses – and banned federal agencies from accepting IDs that don’t measure up.
Washington D.C. delayed full implementation for years, but the Department of Homeland Security is now pressuring states into compliance.
Currently, DHS is only enforcing the legislation for access to military bases, most federal facilities and nuclear power plants — but will eventually extend the ID requirements for air travel as well. Only 23 states are in compliance with the law, but many others have been granted exemptions until later this year.
Silly feds, expecting states to do stuff with only ten years to fix problems.
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As a resident of one of those “fine” States that couldn’t get their act together, I can only say they brought this mess on themselves.
Fortunately, my retiree I.D. works nicely.
I’m in the same boat Doc… and the Retired ID seems to work for me!
Rowing along with you and it isn’t for lack of taxes I can tell you.
My real question is when are they going to update the retired ID cards with CAC cards because the blue crappy ID cards look like they were made by a 17 year old trying to make a fake ID.
I hope they actually do this and they do it soonish. If someone accused me of being a poser, I’d have no problem whipping out my CAC and sticking it in their face.
Might cost them too much money to change from the blue to the CAC card, but I don’t see no problem with the retirement card, it scans real good in the Commissary.
It’s a piece of junk if you ask me
Well, looks like we have another Bunni-boi sighting.
What would you know about a retiree ID card? Per your official records on-file in the archives, you didn’t even complete basic training.
And where’s that DD214 you promised to send, fefe-forker? Did you scan and send Jonn a copy yet? It’s been months now. What’s the holdup?
Now, go home and get your flippin’ shine box.
Same boat here in Idaho. For some reason, the state is resisting this change. I truly don’t understand why it is so difficult to get into compliance.
In the case of Missouri you are incorrect. The federal law in question mandated a federal database that anyone in any of the 57 states could go into to pull information on a driver. Missouri complied with every part of the law but that one, citing security and privacy concerns. In other words, there was complete and material compliance with all other parts of that law, except those which might be violations of the 4th amendment. Were this taken to court, I suspect Missouri would shove this up the Feds asses. It is also a violation of the “full faith and credit” clause of the constitution, and constitutes harassment and discrimination against Missouri residents. Cannot say for sure about the other four states reasons, but suspect they are similar.
Negative. See my comment above.
Don’t have a retired ID, think a VA ID card would work? Oh wait, I do have DHS retired credentials. 🙂
Minnesota, New Mexico, and Washington all have enhanced drivers licenses, which take the place of a passport or passport card for ground/water entry into Canada/Mexico, that do meet the new standards and are valid for entry at US military installations. They just happen to cost a little more, take longer to process, and require a multiple forms of verifiable ID such as a passport to get issued.
Arizona is offering two different types of IDs just like Washington state the cheap one Lol.. and the high Dollar one Lol….
Well maybe if Washington would quit issuing licenses to illegals we wouldn’t find ourselves in this Predicament. I say cut Federal funding until the states are in compliance.
I find it amusing that the Enhanced Driver’s License, meant to take the place of a Passport (for Canada & Mexico), requires a Passport as a proof of identification.
Actually it doesn’t exactly have to be a passport. I used my SS card and birth certificate when I got mine. As for issuing to illegals, California issues more to illegals and theirs is still accepted so go figure.
CA’s license is only still accepted because their waiver hasn’t expired yet (WA’s expired on 10 Jan). Unless it is extended, CA’s waiver period ends 10 Oct this year. See below.
NY has ’em too – RFID scannable but still have to stop and show to the agent.
OUR tax dollars at work yet again.
our tax dollars at rest
I’m just trying to imagine the visitors’ center at Cannon AFB as dozens of contractors can’t get on base. As if that place didn’t have enough chaos.
try D-M AFB. a few months ago, two people were arrested at the gate on feloney warrants.
they won’t talk about it. but I guess since BRAVO. this has been the norm.
amazing how many folks with those types of issues would even want to enter a military base
“amazing how many folks with those types of issues would even want to enter a military base”
They probably thought the stars on their collars would give them a free pass. 😛
No doubt on that 🙂
And another dozen or so states have until June, or they’ll be SOL. NY is one of those states.
Oh, and good luck getting on an airplane, too.
10 October for all non-compliant states except NH, SEA. And it’s a much larger number than 12. See below.
Dunno why NH is the only state currently expiring on 1 Jun. Maybe their DMV did somethign to PO the DHS folks. (smile)
You’re correct – this also apparently applies to using drivers licenses when boarding commercial airlines. As of now, you apparently can no longer use licenses from those 5 states (or American Samoa) to do that. Enhanced licenses, if offered (they are by MN and WA) are apparently still OK.
No access to CBP facilities for those states either.
Folks, it gets even “better”. You might wanna sit down if you’re not already sitting.
Currently, only 22 states plus the DC have drivers licenses that are Real ID compliant. Those states are Alabama, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, Ohio, S. Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming – plus DC.
All other states and territories are currently non-compliant. As noted above by Luddite4Change, some states may have an “enhanced” license option; those appear to pass muster.
Drivers licenses from most of the rest of the US states and territories have been given a waiver until later this year. Unless extended, New Hampshire’s waiver expires on 1 June 2016. The following states’ waivers currently expire on 10 October 2016: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Jersey, New York, N. Carolina, N. Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, S. Carolina, Texas, Virginia. Again, some of those states may have an “enhanced” license option available (generally at higher cost) that passes muster.
The status of drivers’ licenses from the US territories of Guam, the Northern Marianas, and the US Virgin Islands is unclear. Per DHS, on 8 January 2016 those licenses were under a “grace period” that was in effect “through at least 10 January 2016”. I cannot find any authoritative documentation stating whether or not that grace period was further extended.
Reference (dated 8 January 2016): http://www.dhs.gov/current-status-states-territories
What that means is that things could get REALLY interesting in October this year.
I have zero sympathy for any state or territory that hasn’t gotten its act together here. They’ve had over 10 years to do so, and if DC can get their act together well enough to do this any state or territory can – if they want to.
I’m glad I’m retired. Living here in Virginia next to a Naval base trying to use a Virginia D/L will be a big issue soon.
Well, how about looking at the fact that the part of the law that is causing problems is that a good many states view the national driver database as being both insufficiently secure, as well as a possible violation of the 4th Amendment. Oh, and that pesky “full faith and credit” clause which mandates that those drivers licenses are legal binding documents. Since some states, such as the PDRC, give licenses to wetbacks yet are still cool by the Obama regime to use those documents, even though they are illegal under Federal law, the states refusing to comply with this useless database have done absolutely nothing wrong.
The text of Article 4, Section 1 of the US Constitution appears to address only states accepting “public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings” from other states. No where does that Article say that the Federal government must give those “public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings” the same consideration. Indeed, the Supremacy Clause (Article 6 of the Constitution) explicitly states otherwise – that Federal law supersedes contrary state law.
In this case, the Federal government is not infringing on the right of states to issue drivers’ licenses as they please. However, the Federal government is saying, in effect, that non-compliant licenses will no longer be accepted by the Federal government in situations where identification is required. It is fully within the Federal government’s authority to determine what will and will not be accepted as proof of identity when doing business with the Federal government that requires a person to identify themselves.
Hmmm, wonder how my Utah CCW would work…
Requires ID to enter federal building and military base. Doesn’t require ID to vote.
#’Merica
the irony of stupid..
makes you wonder why the left can’t handle it Lol…
Excellent point. Some time ago I went to City Hall and was told I couldn’t enter until I showed an ID. I presented my retired GI ID; the security guard had no idea what she was looking at; but, she asked for an ID, I showed her an ID. She let me in but she wasn’t sure if I had presented an acceptable ID.
This is the same City Hall that believes requiring an ID to vote is racist.
Will my new VA health card with the RFI chip work as an ID ? My military retired card ? Joe
At what point did DHS assume control of the security at military installations? That’s what I want to know.
Probably on a recommendation from a soon to be disbarred, hopefully perp-walking, lawer known to many here at Bernastypants. He probably presented to his supervisors at the PDX TSA a 1,200 page recommendation why the TSA should be responsible for military facility security, based on his intimate knowledge of military security procedures (based on his experience as an SP while in port in Subic Bay).
Remember, he used to run towards danger while everyone else ran away from it…
And while we’re at it, at what point did they get control over state rights? After all it’s the Secretary of Homeland that gets to dictate what IDs have to have to be legit. That would mean they can come back in 2 years once everyone is in compliance and change it up. Literally he/she can say the only legit ID is a state issued ID with hologram pink elephants on it, and bang that’s the new requirement….
They didn’t. DoD still controls base/post/camp/station security at its installations.
However, the Real ID Act passed back in 2005 appears to give DHS the authority to define ID acceptable for use when conducting official business with the Federal government. Entering a DoD installation on a non-recurring basis to conduct business or as a visitor would appear to fall under that umbrella. I believe that’s generally when driver’s licenses are used to gain entrance to a DoD facility or installation.
I can see that since they don’t issue passes anymore and scan your I.D.
So I’m puzzled about this business. If I’m in a non-compliant state and I get the renewal notice for my driver’s license, and I don’t even have to go in for a new one unless I want to, and on top of that, I have a Safe Driver renewal, does that mean that in XX years it will be invalid and I can’t go anywhere?
My passport expired a long time ago, and I have no plans to travel anywhere, period, so why should I have to pay for a stupid federal ID when I’m not going anywhere. There is not enough money in the world to convince me it’s worth the waste of my time and good health to travel on a commercial airline, so why does this apply to me?
This is ridiculous. Totally bogus. I expect to see these twits demanding my identity card at the checkout line at the grocery store next.
Well, if you plan on ever taking a commercial airline flight anywhere, I think you’ve potentially got a problem. Ditto if you get tapped for Federal jury duty, or otherwise need to visit a Federal facility where ID is required for entry.
Not since 1979 have I been stupid enough to get on a commercial airplane. I will walk first.
I wonder how the state is going to fix their problem?? I have my Blue I.D. but what about family that want to visit the base and I don’t want pay for another D/L when I got years until it expire.
Okay. If they want to give me the money to pay for THEIR need for my having a passport that I DON’T need, fine! But unless I plan to go somewhere outside the boundaries of the lower 48 (unlikely), this is hogwash.
And furthermore, since this is an attempt to verify that native-born and naturalized Americans are actually who we say we are, perhaps we should start looking at THEM. I don’t think they’d like that.
See, I don’t object to the microchip on my card, because that makes it more secure. But these bozos fail badly when they refuse to realize that the more paperwork they demand of us who are here legitimately, the more likely their notions of security can be subverted and become quite insecure.
What’s next? Microchipping us at birth? Do I look like a fucking stray cat to them?
Out of spite for TSA, I do not show any identification when I fly. It throws the initial agent off and he has to call for a supervisor. I step out of line and politely wait. When the supervisor arrives, I tell him I don’t have any identification.
This does subject me to an additional search, but I am not a fan of “show your papers please.”
Pāpers. Ver est yours papers? Mach Schnell!
Schweigen sie, schwatzer!