Dang…I think I’m a Jacksonian!
Heard the one about the old Texas cowboy visiting the big city who strays into a lesbian bar? He sits down on a bar stool next to a tough-looking woman in biker leathers; tips his hat politely; and says, “Howdy, ma’am.” She looks at him hard and says, “Don’t ma’am me, cowpoke. I’m a lesbian. All I think about is young, beautiful women and their soft, lovely bodies, and all the things I can do to them. That’s all I think about, day in, day out, at night, all night and all day when I’m at work.” Thinking she’d shocked him, she challenged him with, “So whaddaya think about that?” The old fellow looks at her for a long thoughtful moment and responds, “Well, when I walked in here I thought for sure I was a cowboy, but dang if you ain’t got me wonderin’ if mebbe I ain’t a lesbian.”
Well, that’s the way I feel after wandering in to the-american-interest.com and reading Charles C.W. Cooke’s “Andrew Jackson, Revenant.” I was in there only a few paragraphs before I said to myself, “Dang, I think I’m a Jacksonian.” By the end of the piece, I knew I was.
For starters, Cooke says Jacksonians see the 2nd Amendment as the foundation of our freedom and security. That’s me for sure. Here’s more:
It is Jacksonians who most resent illegal immigration, don’t want to subsidize the urban poor, support aggressive policing and long prison sentences for violent offenders and who are the slowest to ‘evolve’ on issues like gay marriage and transgender rights.
Cooke notes that Jacksonians have been the slowest segment of American society to come around on racial advancements but says this regarding that:
Jacksonians have come a long way on race, but they will never move far enough and fast enough for liberal opinion; liberals are moving too, and are becoming angrier and more exacting regardless of Jacksonian progress.
Cooke explains that Jacksonians have difficulty in organizing politically and exerting their influence:
Jacksonians are neither liberal nor conservative in the ways that political elites use those terms; they are radically egalitarian, radically pro-middle class, radically patriotic, radically pro-Social Security. They are not, under normal circumstances, joiners in politics; they are individualists who organize in response to threats, and their individualism goes to their stands on what outsiders sometimes think are the social issues that unite them.
With regard to Jacksonian morality and religious beliefs, Cooke says this:
Many Jacksonians, for example, are not evangelicals and not even Christian at all. While some are strongly anti-abortion, others believe that individual freedom makes abortion nobody’s business but their own. Some stand strongly behind the drug war; many indulge in recreational drugs and some Jacksonians grow or manufacture them, much like the moonshiners who have been evading ‘revenuers’ since the Washington administration.
While he lays out a number of difficulties facing any sort of immediate Jacksonian movement, Cooke says:
What we are seeing in American politics today is a Jacksonian surge. It is not yet a revolution on the scale of Old Hickory’s movement that transformed American politics for a generation. Such a revolution may not be possible in today’s America, and in any case the current wave of Jacksonian activism and consciousness is still in an early and somewhat incoherent phase.
And then he gets to the possibility of Jacksonian influences in the current presidential contest:
Donald Trump, for now, is serving as a kind of blank screen on which Jacksonians project their hopes. Proposing himself as a strong leader who ‘gets’ America but is above party, Trump appeals to Jacksonian ideas about leadership. … Indeed, one of the reasons that Trump hasn’t been hurt by attacks that highlight his lack of long term commitment to the boilerplate conservative agenda (either in the social or economic conservative variant) is that Jacksonian voters are less dogmatic and less conservative than some of their would-be political representatives care to acknowledge.
Whatever happens to the Trump candidacy, it now seems clear that Jacksonian America is rousing itself to fight for its identity, its culture and its primacy in a country that it believes it should own. Its cultural values have been traduced, its economic interests disregarded, and its future as the center of gravity of American political life is under attack.
Several months ago I expressed my belief that Donald Trump’s appeal was Jacksonian, but this is the first time I’ve seen the premise spelled out so coherently. Thank you, Charles C.W. Cooke. What I’m wondering now is how many folks out there reading this are saying to themselves, much like that old cowboy in the lesbian bar, “Dang, I think I’m a Jacksonian!”
Crossposted at American Thinker
Category: Politics
Trump is not a leader. He is an opportunistic, narcissistic, self promoter. His positions on immigration today, are the ones he opposed the last time he ran. He ridiculed Romney for wanting to get tougher on immigration.
All politicians will tell you what you want to hear, he has taken it to another level.
Someone needs to stop the crazy bus, and it is not him because right now he is the driver.
Ah, the crazy bus HAS slowed dramatically recently and he is no longer driving that bus. He is in charge, but he is not driving!
The amount of talent lining up to assist to quite impressive.
Am I the only one getting Ross Perot flashbacks over this Trump character?
I’m sincerely not seeking to start any flamewars or anything; I’m just curious. Surely I am not the only one…am I?
You know, you just might have something there!
That’s been a concern of mine, too.
Well, there are only a couple of people on the republican side I would vote FOR. I’m sick and tired of voting AGAINST a candidate. I told myself that I wouldn’t do that, anymore. Trump would be one of those where I would be voting against the other commie, I mean, candidate, and I really don’t want to do that.
Look; I liked having Trump in the race, because I thought that it would force the others in the race to finally start talking about the issues he brings up, but instead, they turned to their overlords and asking what they wanted them to do, so the overlords told them to attack Trump for anything and everything and they got their media cronies into it to help. Now, it’s a giant clusterfuck and I might sit this election out.
Dang ifn I ain’t!!
He is an opportunistic, narcissistic, self promoter.
That didn’t seem to hurt another candidate’s chances in either 2008 or 2012.
Good point. I see Trump as just another version of Obama.
I wonder how much leadership by executive order he would practice?
The one positive I see with Trump is that he is not beholden to anyone since he can finance his whole campaign himself.
And seems to describe everyone else in the race.
On both sides.
I know, 2 peas in a pod, and so not what this country needs.
The problem is the extreme political elements on each side of the spectrum are the ones making the most noise at this point.
Just as the piece states, more and more we’re hearing the extreme viewpoints from each side.
That’s why Hillary is polling so high instead of in a courtroom. And why Trump can say most anything he wants and it is forgotten by “many” very quickly.
At the end of the day, “ABH2016” is my candidate. Anyone But Hillary 2016….
Though I do like “Hillary for Prison 2016”. That’s a good slogan.
I admire Jackson himself, and much about these “Jacksonians”…but any group that is “radically pro-Social Security” does not include me.
Agreed. Ponzi schemes eventually collapse.
As a highly educated person, Alberich, I know you realize that being at variance with the group on a single issue does not mean you are no longer part of the group.
I rather think that Jacksonian attitudes toward Social Security are probably as varied as Cook describes the wide latitude in their views on abortion. Where he came up with that universally strong support for Social Security is beyond me, though I rather suspect some poll or survey. Strong individualism and dependence on government do not normally go hand in hand.
True and true. But I think he’d identify me as one of those “boilerplate conservatives” (economic type) more than anything else.
If I understand the article, the essence is this: “Jacksonian sentiment embraces a concept of the United States as a folk community,” and this notion is more important to them than any point of policy or ideology.
Now I go partway there. I think the United States or any nation, if it’s going to stay together, needs a national myth…a way of viewing its institutions and history that inspires people to fight for them. To my mind that’s not quite the same as a “folk community” — at least not in a country like this one, where we really do have a wide range of races and cultures — though it’s not incompatible with it either.
Between my elementary and high school years (70’s and 80’s) I experienced a huge shift in how and whether that myth was taught, and from what I’ve seen it’s gotten worse. If we don’t get it back I don’t see how the Union can stand. I think that leaves me as “not a Jacksonian, but very happy to ally with them.”
Interesting take there, Al,and I’ll go partway there with you as well. Isn’t national myth just an amalgam of various folk community myths writ large? The corruption of of those local myths through the seditious teachings of the leftists embedded in academia has assuredly, as you say, contributed to the deterioration of that national myth as you and I once knew it.
Sadly…
Well, truth be told, I have long been a “Jacksonian” and in fact where as some are referred to as the aforementioned … I am often called the “Davy Crockett” of the movement.
I knew you were old Chief, but I didn’t realize you were Davy Crockett! Wow! You must have some stories to tell….
(You did kinda open the doors a bit wide on that one)
Video of the commentater formerly known as the MCPO has recently surfaced. He used to be very subtle.
**NSFW just to err on the side of caution
Naw. TCFKAMCPONYCUSNRet, wasn’t subtle at all, back in his brig chaser days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1kK8gsag4
Do I really have to add NSFW?
She is not only a good pool player … she went on to dump me and she married a USMC Force Recon type named Gunny Highway. He is rumored to be a MoH recipient.
The shit they put you through…
Folks, I didn’t write this as a puff piece for Trump. I have doubts about the guy just as many of you do.
As Mr. Cook says, there are a whole bunch of us Jacksonians out there. My point is that there are a whole bunch of us Jacksonians who have never applied that label to ourselves because we didn’t really know what constituted a Jacksonian until Mr. Cook defined Jacksonian qualities for us.
When I first heard polls a couple of months ago that Trump had strong appeal among Reagan Democrats, that is, those Democrats still clinging to their guns and religion, I told my wife that he was somewhat of a Jacksonian figure. The Scots-Irish Andrew Jackson was another very colorful and very controversial figure in American history who was rough around the edges politically and otherwise. When I read Cook’s piece, I realized that my Jacksonian description of Trump’s appeal was true.
So if Scottish Donald Trump happens to be the candidate who best appeals to this large American voting bloc, so be it.
Yeah, but the term is four years. What happens when he gets bored?
He starts playing golf…
But, he will have a higher power set of managers working for him and us. He will no doubt be mostly a figurehead with others to do the heavy lifting as need be.
I’ll vote for Trump if he is the nominee but I am holding out hope for Cruz.
Everybody has hated Croz for years now, and that is a qualifying character trait to me.
I’m completely non-partisan, I hate them all…
And I also believe that Jacksonian fits the bill for me too. I wouldn’t have thought that had Poetrooper not put this up.
Thanks
Thanks for the Jacksonian decoder ring. It has really helped me in understanding this review of Tom Kratman’s fiction:
LOL
This might help a bit more.
For Jacksonians, there’s only 2 types of war.
Public war and private war.
Public war is nation against nation and the only competent manner to fight such wars is total war. Don’t just beat the enemy, obliterate the enemy and serve warning to any other idjits out there thinking about becoming enemy.
Private war is individual against individual or family/clan against family/clan. This can be either limited war with lots of codes of conduct, or full out war of elimination.
Jacksonianism fairly much requires dueling to be brought back as a method of addressing various issues.
I was a registered Independent and held my nose and voted for McCain. When the 2010 election season started up, I switched to Republican because in Nevada, to vote Repub in the Primary, you must be registered as such.
If I considered myself a Repub, it would be more the Frederick Douglas kind, than what we have now. Not really sure what a Jacksonian is.
In the beginning, I saw Trump as more a blow-hard, Frat-Boy, than serious material for a President. In his defense however, I seemed to detect definite toning down of the Frat-Boy-like nonsense coming out of his pie-hole during the last couple of weeks or so. Then, yesterday Sarah Palin endorsed him.
Being an unrepentant Palin Fan-Boy, I gotta say, I didn’t see that one coming.
Gotta think about this.
Apparently you’re not alone:
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/266389-donors-changing-their-tune-on-donald-trump
You ain’t joking. I like Palin but supporting Trump? IDK, he must have offered her the Sec of Interior job so she could go back to Alaska and kick ass.
If your serious about things, Cruz seems to be the alternative now. No-one other than Rand Paul knows it better and believes in it. Trump believes in Trump. Anyone that pushes Eminent Domain to take peoples homes to build golf courses, casino’s and shopping malls sucks too much for me to describe.
I believe it was Andrew Jackson who was called a jackass by his opponents, and happily adopted both the label and the symbol, and it has stuck ever since. That he was, in fact, a Democrat at the time, he does not fit that mold now.
So while I think Trump is mostly a loud-mouthed attention-whoring sort, he has really blown the tarp off the haystack and exposed the mold and corruption underneath for what it is: stagnant, same-as-always BS spoken, printed and mumbled for the sole purpose of getting a gubmint job. I don’t like his tactic of slamming women who disagree with him and then trying to retract what he said, nor do I think it’s necessary for his name to appear on EVERY SINGLE CONFOUNDED THING HE OWNS. That in-your-face shit is just attention-whoring, nothing more.
Now, if he actually shows some kind of leadership skills or thoughts, I might take him seriously, but he has yet to say anything at all that even addresses what is really needed: real leadership. Nor has he addressed other, equally important REAL issues.
Either he starts taking this shit seriously and addresses the real issues, or he can go pound sand up his nose sideways.
Plus if you replace the word Muslim in his speeches, with the word ‘Jew’, then he has some pretty clear correlations to one Adolph Hitler in the 1930s.
Oh PLEASE, stop it!
I’m with Master Chief here- I don’t remember anything about Jews trying to take over by raping and killing…
Deuteronomy,20:10-18.
(Though back then it was all the Israelites, not just the Jews. And it’s not exactly recent.)
Oh, I didn’t know we were counting fiction. My bad.
“So while I think Trump is mostly a loud-mouthed attention-whoring sort, he has really blown the tarp off the haystack and exposed the mold and corruption underneath for what it is: stagnant, same-as-always BS spoken, printed and mumbled for the sole purpose of getting a gubmint job.”
Preach it, Sister!
If that’s all he winds up accomplishing, he’s done a good deed for the country.
Was never a fan of Jackson’s policies.
I’ve always been a Jeffersonian man myself.
Much the same here. Jackson introduced both the stereotypical demagogue appealing to the masses with half-truths and overt class warfare into American politics. He was also by most accounts a petty, cruel, and crude tyrant with major shortcomings when it came to managing a national government.
In short: if you liked LBJ, you’d probably also like Jackson. Both appear to have been cut from much the same cloth. But I will say that Jackson was probably more willing to put the country’s welfare ahead of politics than LBJ.
If you like Jackson you will love Trump. They are cut from the same cloth.
I’ve always considered myself a Madisonian more than a Jeffersonian but you may just be onto something.
The biggest beef I have with Old Hickory is that he was the first President to deny there was a state’s right to succeed from the Union although he did dismantle Hamilton’s lovechild, the bank of the United States. Too bad it’s bastard offspring The Federal Reserve reared it’s ugly head and refuses to die.
The Constitution provides a procedure for admitting states – but no procedure for secession. Further, the Constitution inherited the Union formed by the Articles of Confederation. That predecessor document expressly created a perpetual union among the 13 colonies that formed the United States.
The omission of a procedure for secession in the Constitution was IMO thus not an oversight. Had the Founders wanted to allow states the right to secede, that omission would not have occurred. The fact that it did, given the context of the day (e.g., that the United States was already a perpetual union of 13 formerly independent colonies), IMO makes it clear that secession was not envisioned as being allowable – period – short of Congressional action authorizing same. Even then, a Constitutional Amendment authorizing the departure of an existing state might have been required.
Furthermore, Article VI specifically states that the Constitution (as well as federal laws and treaties) shall be “the supreme law of the land…any thing in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.” An Act of Secession was a “thing in the laws of the state” that said “the constitution, federal laws, and federal treaties don’t apply here anymore”…an extreme form of nullification.
This piece isn’t about Andrew Jackson but about the traits of present-day Americans who are labeled Jacksonians. Possessing those traits does not require one to be an ardent admirer of its eponym. And for what it’s worth, I hated LBJ long before he sent me to a fruitless war.
However, Hondo, I’m curious as to which of those traits you reject, inasmuch as many of them are shared with Jeffersonian’s, with the greatest exception being that Jeffersonian’s tended toward an elitist distrust of the common man. Jackson was just the opposite, being the first president who came from poverty yet who obtained an education and subsequently became wealthy and politically successful enough to become the first frontiersman and non-member of the eastern politically elite to become president.
You may call him a proponent of class warfare, but I see him as being the first common man to rise to the country’s leadership. I’m sure it required some demagoguery to overcome the entrenched elitism of the coastal colonial states. And yes, he was an autocratic president because he stood up against the established political order with the banking issue being a good example. And while a southerner, he stood firm for maintaining the Republic when South Carolina threatened to secede long before the Civil War.
Granted he was a hard-nosed son of a bitch and an unrelenting enemy of both the British and the Indians, but you have to remember that the British were also well known for being cruel and unforgiving in warfare; and the Indians showed absolutely no mercy to their white victims including women and children, not just killing them but subjecting them to prolonged torture.
Jackson was much admired and owed his election to the presidency to his full-on, no quarter given, warfighting accomplishments. He was the Patton of his day.
My above was meant to be a response to Hondo but someone sneaked in while i was writing it.
nonetheless well written. and it’s opened my eyes to some of my feelings on the clowns running us in the ground back east. amazing how I feel is all up top in your pice
Jackson was a man of action that greatly benefited the United States and a total badass MF. Anyone that would suggest otherwise is a limp wrist pussy anti American.
I’ve wished Zombie Jackson would show up and deal with certain politicians considering he paid off the national debt in full.