Truman has trouble with Iranians
Yesterday, Mick sent us a link to the news that the USS Truman carrier group arrived in the Persian Gulf and immediately began joint operations against ISIS in conjunction with the French Charles deGaulle carrier.
Today, Mick sends us a link to the story that the Iranians didn’t waste anytime raising a ruckus with the Truman by firing missiles near the ship;
Cmdr. Kyle Raines, a U.S. Central Command spokesman, said in a statement that Iranian Revolutionary Guard naval vessels fired “several unguided rockets” about 1,370 meters (1,500 yards) from the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier, the USS Bulkeley destroyer and a French frigate, the FS Provence. Raines said commercial sea traffic also was nearby, though the missiles weren’t fired in the direction of any ships.
Raines said the Iranian vessels announced over maritime radio that they’d carry out a live fire exercise only 23 minutes beforehand.
Iran’s “actions were highly provocative,” Raines said. “Firing weapons so close to passing coalition ships and commercial traffic within an internationally recognized maritime traffic lane is unsafe, unprofessional and inconsistent with international maritime law.”
Historically, the Iranians have threatened to close the Straits of Hormuz to strangle commercial (oil) traffic going back to the Carter years which is why we now have the Carter Doctrine (the free flow of oil through the Persian Gulf at market prices being a national security interest) which has embroiled us in the region’s politics for the last 40 years.
So, yeah, I’m not feeling very confident about that agreement that we just signed with Iran. My own dealings with amateur terrorists in Florida leads me to an uneasy feeling about Iran.
Category: Terror War
They wouldn’t have pulled that shit during the Reagan years. I was in the North Arabian Sea in 1983 and we came in contact with Iranians pretty often. Believe me when I say they were VERY respectful cause they knew we would blow them the fuck up…with a BIG smile on our faces.
They wouldn’t have pulled it during the Bush years. I wonder what makes them feel froggy now…hmmm…let me think…
They would have, and did, pull that shit during the Reagan and Bush years. They have been doing this kind of nonsense and will keep doing it as long as the US Navy transits that waterway. I have been through there twice and they came out both times. Ask any Sailor that’s ever stood a topside watch going through there and most will have a memory of “away the snoopy team” and dealing with some idiotic Iranian bullshit. Most will also remember the infamous Filipino monkey on bridge to bridge as well. It’s not because of the current President that this happened, it happened because of the simple fact the Iranians are assholes.
Nothing says “we think you’re president is a wimp” like fukking with an underway carrier.
Doesn’t the commander of the carrier have the right to defend his vessel if he feels it’s threatened?
Dunno what his ROE is in that AO…but remember the USS Vincennes
Between the USS Stark and the USS Vincennes a skipper can be damned if he does or damned if he doesn’t.
The destroyers etc. would be the ones to engage. Unless something has changed radically since I deployed on CVN’s (very possible considering I am an old fart), their weapons are minimal and not at all for offense (of course, the air wing is the exception, but takes a while to activate). Pretty much point defense like CIWS etc.
exactly, in the case of the Vincennes shoot down, the carrier put birds in the air but the Vincennes a CG in the battle group appropriately engaged a threat, but ended up taking out an airliner. The airliners should not have been using that airspace and the Iranian jets were using them as shields. Ooooops.
Dude, you don’t know shit about that shoot down. The CO of VINCENNES was in Iranian territorial waters in a running gun fight with some Iranian boghammers when that aircraft popped up. it wasn’t squawking so they hooked it and shot it down. The aircraft was on a recognized flight path for commercial aircraft but since it wasn’t squawking IFF, it got shot in the face. If the VINCENNES hadn’t been wrongly doing the boghammer shootex that plane wouldn’t have been shot down. The navy soon developed SARTIS to keep this shit from happening again. i was in the navy 24 years and i can say, without reservation, this event was one of the worst in our 240 year history.
da fukk….nothing assures bad grammar like not proofreading…meant your, not you’re
ahmma go work on mah GED
Sticks and stones (and a missile) can hurt me but words never will. When in the F are we again going to become a nation with balls? Shoot a missile in our direction, sink the bastards, plain and simple. And they wonder why Trump is polling so well. Clinton would blame it on a video or we intimidated them by being so close. This shit is really wearing thin.
A nation with what? Heehee! Seriously, you state the obvious and about it. Oh, dear.
Meet me at the Gyn & Bier on East 43rd and I’ll ‘splain it to you.
Approximately noon on Friday, 20 January 2017. Hopefully.
Iranians: “Fire one. Oops, we missed.”
USS Truman: “Fire one. Oops, we hit.”
Yeah, it’s a dream. But hopefully under Trump/Cruz. . . .
Well we’ve had a few administrations now that are not bad at checkers, the problem of course being that our opponents on the world stage are chess players and some of our leaders seem ill equipped for anything beyond a 4 move opening…we appear to lack any sort of mid-game and it’s clear we’ve given zero thought to what the end-game will even look like.
Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, The Kingdom, Syria, Libya, none of these or any other muslim based entity in this region has ever been a bastion of honest and open negotiations with the US. They are nations that respect one thing, and one thing only, power. Displays of power today are slightly different than prancing about it brightly ornamented camels and nomadic tents but the culture there loves the display nonetheless. A failure to recognize what your opponent is in reality is just that a failure. Assigning your mores and values to your opponent is a huge mistake, imagining that everyone in the world just wants to be peaceful and have reliable commerce is a lie of colossal proportions and more dangerously it undercuts the reality that some just want power, at your expense if required.
Nothing wrong with being peaceful as long as folks understand when they disrupt your peace the fires of hell will be your weapon to restore that peace quite often forces those with a different outlook to either work with you regardless of their comfort level or to leave well enough alone.
We are now the under respected strong nation that appears to lack a spine, everyone knows that guy, big enough to be a tough guy but lacking the heart to follow up and consequently able to be bullied by punks half his size…once you punk out, you’re always a punk bitch…true everywhere in the world.
Teddy R, even as much of a “Progressive” (spit! spit!) as he was, put it best, “Talk softly, and carry a big stick”.
Reminds me of a kinda oldie, but goodie.
But, but, but, but…the Glorious Leader said…Iranian nuclear deal…and, and…allies against IS…and, and, and…
The battle ship Missouri and the rest of the (16 inch mafia) gang need to rejuvenated and sent that way. Nothing screams word peace is closer than 2700×9 hundred pounds of new word order raining down on a navy that shops at the Bass Pro Shop.