Yeah…no

| October 8, 2015

In a parking lot of a Home Depot in Auburn Hills, Michigan, a shoplifter was making a getaway and the loss prevention officers who work at the store were trying to prevent that. Then some random customer who happened to have a concealed weapons permit pulled out her firearm and shot the tires of the getaway vehicle.

They still got away, and our brave little gun owner probably put more people in danger than those thieves ever could. Not only with bullets flying around at a moving target, the driver of the vehicle could have been so freaked out by the gunfire that they drive into random pedestrians in the parking lot.

I’ll bet that if she dug a little deeper into her purse, she might have found a pen and paper to write down the license plate number and a description of the vehicle instead of being Dead-Eye Debbie. Additionally, shooting out the tires only works in the movies, for Pete’s sake.

Thanks to Geetwillickers for the link.

Category: Dumbass Bullshit

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Silentium Est Aureum

CCW classes definitely need a block on shoot/don’t shoot.

Maybe they should learn the military definition of deadly force and apply that.

Someone getting assaulted, etc? I can see that. Someone stealing a TV? Not so much.

Green Thumb

No issue with an armed populace but the problem lies in teaching folks to understand and comprehend the concept of proportional force.

HMCS (FMF) ret.

That thingy called “common sense” is such a unique concept for some people…

Hondo

Agreed. Common sense . . . doesn’t really seem to be all that common any more.

Frankie Cee "In the clear"

Amen on the “Common Sense” and the shortage thereof. I used my DD-214 as my authority to get my Florida CC. Along with that military weapons training, I have both my common sense and my curiosity, the latter having caused me to look things over related to use of a weapon to defuse a threat. Some people would brandish theirs, hoping that would cause the bad guys to give up, others would just pull and shoot at the drop of a hat. I am somewhere in the middle, always trying to be aware of my surroundings, including the mood, attitude, and intentions of those around me. If I were to pull my weapon it would be to fire it, but only after determining the need to shoot and which target to shoot at. All this is committed in milliseconds, but still any person who is truly cognizant of the situation can do this evaluation. My range time, lately, is not just pointing and shooting, but rather at moving targets, and as much realism as I can put to the range, such as shooting in the dark, shooting from uncomfortable positions, and creating shoot/don’t shoot scenarios. I use my range daily, but am always looking at situations with a “What If” attitude. Our minds need as much drill as our finger to the trigger drill.
And yes, there is ALWAYS time to think, if you are a fast thinker. Most knee jerk reactions will cause an adverse reaction.

Sparks

Word

Derek

I live down from there and a cop called into the radio show I listen to when this news broke and claimed if officers were there while she was shooting in the parking lot, she’d be DRT. Also as of today no charges are being filed.

ChipNASA

SHE SHOULD HAVE SHOT THE TEE VEE!!!!

/Thief gets away with a giant paperweight. Problem Solved.

Marine_7002

Leave it to Chip to get right to the heart of the problem and come up with a solution. 😀

The Other Whitey

Well, he did work for NASA…

Marine_7002

Is that to imply Chip’s a rocket scientist? Or is he smarter than that?

HMCS(FMF) ret.

Word on the street is that Chip help Mark Watley grow potatoes on Mars!

GDContractor

This year’s Black Friday should be a real hoot. Brought to you by Carls Junior.

Bernie Hackett

Yeah, Chip! I like it!

Semper Idem

As a hardcore bibliophile who hasn’t watched any television for a quarter century, I agree that shooting the TV would be best. (I do keep a TV in my living room for my guests, though; I don’t want their grubby hands in my books.)

Television delenda est.

JohnE

…yet you use a computer and the internet?

jedipsycho (Certified Space Shuttle Door Gunner)

It’s always the simplest solutions that work best.

QM1

What a dumbass.

AW1 Tim

Facepalm.

Jeebus. I’m all for an armed populace, but I also want some training involved there too.

Green Thumb

Just watch the video.

2/17 Air Cav

The ironic thing is that both the guys wanted in relation to the shoplifting should be able to buy whatever the hell they want after their lawsuit against the shooter. It will be a nice payday. One thing, though. I don’t get what the import of the shooter’s concealed weapon permit has to do with anything of consequence to the story. What difference does it make whether the shooter committed an additional crime of not having a permit?

Haywire Angel

Because the gun grabbers want to point the finger and say this shows that the only folks who should have guns, are the police. I hope she realizes how much she screwed up!

A Proud Infidel®™

For those who say that only the Police should have guns, I tell them that then we should also ban the private ownership and possession of fire extinguishers because we have Fire Departments!

2/17 Air Cav

Okay. That makes sense.

USMC Steve

They will continue to say that even without anything to wave about. Makes no divverence on that count. Their behavior will not change.

Bernie Hackett

2/17, ya gotta understan’ that GUNS are EVIL!
By their existence, bad things happen, and puppies get kicked, and stuff.
If they’d just go away, all would be sweetness and light. No, seriously! Look how it’s working in my native city, Baltimore. Gosh, can’t we just give peace a chance? Imagine!
Un-huh.

Geetwillickers

The main reason that this caught my eye, was the commentary by the newscasters – who correctly pointed out that most legal gun owners (CCW or not…) are pissed off at Dead-Eye Debbie (love that moniker btw…) because she makes all of us look like exactly what the Gun Grabbers want everyone to think we look like.

I also liked the convo with the CCW instructor in the clip. “I hope you have insurance on your TV.”

Geetwillickers

Link for the video I referenced above:

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/30790613-story

NavyCWORet

These are the kinds of incidents that gun grabbers use to illustrate that the general public isn’t smart or trained enough to have guns. And in this circumstance, they’re right. She set the 2nd Amendment cause back 50years.

Pinto Nag

In the end, it’s not going to be the criminals with guns that get the 2A appealed. It won’t be the massive amounts of well-trained legal gun owners, either. It will be the dumbasses who carry a gun and forget to take their brain along for the ride, and do stupid silly shit like walk around Walmart with an AR-15 and all their battle-rattle, or some ditz who decides to shoot out tires. The 2A isn’t going to go out with a bang — it’s going to go out with a wimper, because of idiocy like this.

Pinto Nag

…and that would be REPEALED. Not enough caffeine yet this morning, sorry.

Dave Hardin

The Constitution doe not require anyone to have a brain. This country was designed by geniuses so it could be run by idiots.

Pinto Nag

I couldn’t have said it better, Dave.

Dave Hardin

You probably would not have misspelled ‘does’. Things are not designed for people who have hands that seem to have stagnated in the evolutionary process from Neanderthals.

Hondo

Wonder if the lady will end up facing “unlawful discharge of a firearm” charges? It’s my understanding that many localities (especially towns and cities) have such laws on the books. Shooting at someone who’s not threatening your or someone else’s welfare just might qualify.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

That clause and more. The unlawful discharge is with respect to distance from house and or buisness (on the books usually to discourage hunting in populated areas). She will cretainly get that. She will also get a willful endangerment charge and violating provisions of her license.

In summary, she has some splainin’ to do!

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Hondo,

I just read that article about you from your glory days running track in the 90’s!

Question: how does one compete in 500 hurdles, shot put while holding down marching band practice and travel requirements?

Just wondering!

Hope all is well!

MCPO

A Proud Infidel®™

Not just that, she could also face charges of public endangerment, unlawful display of a firearm or even disturbance depending on the laws and ordinances in her locale.

Derek

No charges are being filed according to auburn police

Dave Hardin

She probably was drug into a violence worship service at some range by Gun Nutz, pressured into buying a gun and loaded up with free boxes of ammo.

She has a constitutional right to carry a gun and all the free ammo she wants. If you people weren’t crazed with pressuring others to play shootem up this kind of thing wouldn’t happen.

Guns dont shoot tires, people with free ammo shoot tires.

GDContractor

Every groups has it’s outliers. Can’t we just celebrate diversity?

Dave Hardin

Sure, just become part of the group, go along with things, play nice with the other kids, the water is fine, jump on it.

I know how you Gun Nutz operate. You start people off with a .22 target pistol and then before they know it they are hoarding ammo by the cases for their assault weapons in the bunker they dug in the basement.

Its a slippery slope. There are boxes of all kinds of things for free online. I dont see any of the other things being promoted here except the ones that promote gun violence.

Let me help out

https://www.ubykotex.com/get-a-sample

GDContractor

Not much of a pads guy. I like unscented tampons. Saturate them with doe scent and hang them from the tree limbs. It’s like chumming for bucks. They should give them away in combination with hunting ammo.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Well she is going to need a lawyer … I think I just might know the right one for the job, he would do a fine job defending her actions and the outcome of such a defense will be most certainly predictable.

Former EM1/SS

I thought recent events had resulted in his claims of being a lawyer being just as true as his being a CPO.

Nope he actually WAS a lawyer at some point.

Ex-PH2

She couldn’t whip out her smartphone and get a quick shot of the car’s license plate?

Well, unless the shoplifters were running her down, she didn’t really need a gun. She did, however, need a brain cell or two firing, which did not happen.

Instinct

Like my ol’ pappy always says “Common sense isn’t common.”

Hondo

Hey, I like that saying. (smile)

Kristoffer

Pretty stupid. Considering how prevalent run-flat tires are these days, if she wanted to stop the getaway, and if it were legal, she should have aimed for the driver.

The Other Whitey

Somebody’s been watching too much TV.

Poetrooper

Think maybe she held her piece sideways?

David

Dunno about Michicgan, but in the Texas class I took there was a fair amount of time spent on when NOT to shoot and the inevitable legal consequences of shooting.

Richard

I took 2 CPL classes in Michigan. It was covered. It sounds to me like someone wasn’t paying close attention and really wanted to help.

DoctorHoncho

Although the anti-gun idoits will glom on to this as an example of how “private citizens with guns do not make a difference and actually are a danger” I think the important point it illustrates is that it totally deflates the argument those same progressive anti-cop retards make when they whine about some thug who was “turning his life around” when the police shot him as he tried to run someone over. The always cry out “The police should have shot out the tires!!! They did not have to shoot the ‘teen’ father of 6 who had juct picked up a brochure for community college on his way to buy weed, as he used a 3/4 ton vehicle to splatter an innocent all over the pavement”
We have always known that shooting tires is a hollywood fantasy, but since being anti-gun goes hand in hand with gun ignorace, they don’t!

John Robert Mallernee

While the actions in this instance was inappropriate and unwarranted, shooting out the tires of a speeding vehicle does work successfully outside of Hollywood movie sets.

When I was in college and doing my internship with the county sheriff, one of the deputies did stop a vehicle during a high speed chase by shooting out the tires.

Of course, this is rural Utah, with lots of wide open wilderness country.

By the way, that particular county sheriff’s department is composed almost entirely of deputies who are also qualified and active in the local 19th Special Forces Group (Airborne).

It’s sort of their private club and an effective screen for potential new hires.

C. Long

Does she get to keep the gun? Sounds responsible to me.

Hondo

Are you asking in the near term, or permanently?

In the near term, there’s a good chance the police might have seized her weapon as evidence (or may do so in the future) if she’s being investigated for a crime in conjunction with this incident. However, unless she’s convicted of a felony that seizure will very likely only be a temporary one.

If you’re talking permanent seizure, however, to date she’s been convicted of no crime that would disqualify her from lawful firearms ownership. (She may well have “shot herself in the foot” regarding a CCW permit, but revocation of a permit is generally an administrative action vice a legal one.) Permanently seizing her weapon at this point would be depriving her of property without due process of law. Are you seriously advocating that someone should be forced to forfeit personally owned property – as well as a right guaranteed by the Constitution – absent due process of law?

Skippy

well on the bright side Detroits murder rate is crashing since the gun laws have been loosened up.
but seriously WTF.. WAS SHE THINKING

JohnE

JMJ…use your weapon to defend yourself, your loved ones and those too weak to defend themselves. Let Home Depot worry about Home Depot…