About That Clinton “Private E-Mail” . . .
. . . well, it appears that someone’s “got some s’plainin’ to do”.
A former member of the Intel Community discusses what was allegedly found in that “private e-mail” here. The article is IMO worthwhile reading.
This one might be worth watching. It appears extremely likely that a serious, deliberate mishandling of classified information occurred. The key question will be whether DoJ decides to do anything meaningful.
Category: "Teh Stoopid", Crime, Legal, Military issues
The key question will be whether DoJ decides to do anything meaningful.
Alright everyone raise your hands…..
The following is going to happen….
1. Jack
and
2. Shit
/You heard it here first.
?
Dunno about that, ChipNASA. Reputedly Clintoon and the current Administration aren’t exactly the best of friends these days. Too close to call, IMO.
Oh you DO have a great point, BUT I also think since the Bill Days these two have been Teflon coated and I’m not sure that anyone inside the beltway has any balls any more.
Vince Foster, Whitewater, Ron Brown, Benghazi etc etc…not being a conspiracy bandwagon guy, BUT, I’m jes’ sayin, is all.
/you know the old saying…wish in one hand and shit in the other.
If she were as slick as her husband, she could make it a campaign slogan:
“Once you elect me President, I get to say what’s classified and what isn’t, and release whatever I want, so at that point, what difference will it make?”
Oh, that could be made into a great campaign ad . . . for her opponent. (smile)
Tell ya what, I won’t even ask for credit.
Now, me, my ad would be a short history of Benghazi…and end: “Benghazi. She got the 3 A.M. phone call. And she blew it.” But maybe undecided voters don’t remember back that far…
Depends on the meaning of the word “blew” is (especially if Hummus is smiling and by her side)
It depends on what the meaning of the word “classified” is… déjà vu!
“/you know the old saying…wish in one hand and shit in the other.”
Damn! THAT’S why that hand stinks!
If you’re going to the Middle East, make sure you wish in you right hand . . . .
Does anyone really think that corrupt communist organization called Dept of Justice is going to take down one of their own? If you do, I have some swamp land in New Mexico to sell you!!
If it had been one of us mishandling classified material of this magnitude we’d be hanging out with Manning. For Her Majesty the consequences will be… Nothing but excuses.
Okay, the info was found on the server, but was it found in Hillary’s email inbox? The person who did the snipping will get slammed BIG TIME, but Hillary? Nada.
And, if what I heard is true, that someone removed classifications from emails before they hit the server, then Hillary will simply plead ignorance and we will be back to square one: Jack and Shit will be done.
Everything comes down to the intent of whoever did this. If it was inadvertent, then there might be some administrative action taken. I’ve seen cases like this more than once and usually it rates a slap on the wrist (if it’s inadvertent that is).
Oh, and the worst offenders are the senior folk. I guess lots of them think the rules don’t apply to them. Sound familiar?
Good luck trying to make anything stick to that slimy bitch. She’s a pro at avoiding responsibility. She’s got lots of layer between her and the offending emails.
Can’t really see how retyping that type of classified info into an email on an unclas system – or removing the classification markings from a classified email, then forwarding same on an unclassified system – could be done “inadvertently” more than maybe once. People dealing with that type of info typically know both what to look for and the rules regarding handling same.
But you’re correct: unless Clintoon originated one or more of the emails in question, proving she is culpable could prove quite difficult.
The “someone” who ends up having “s’plainin’ to do” may be either an individual or a group. And if it’s a group, that group may or may not include Clintoon.
And don’t get me wrong, Hondo. If they catch the person who did THAT, said person will be screwed to the wall. Destroyed.
But, it would be interesting if they proved Hill did it.
Interesting and hilarious.
I would gain 300 pounds eating all the popcorn while watching that show.
I’m guessing that they’ll be able to nail someone if the allegations are true. That kind of material doesn’t magically jump to unclas systems by itself. And someone had to originate the emails in question on said unclas system.
What will be really interesting is what that person says after being identified. Will they say they did it on their own volition – or that they were encouraged/ordered to do it?
I’m with you. It will be very, very entertaining to see what the patsy has to say.
Yep. That’s not a HEAT round I’d be willing to “take for the team”.
Just ask Vince Foster how that worked out.
So HRC is working away in her office and bitches to one of her people, “it sure would be nice to work from home!” So someone installed an email server in her house? And nobody in the security-enforcement or IT parts of DOS knew about this?
I think that the IT staff had to know about it. I am assuming that most of her emails were addressed to and from an email address something like hrc@state.us.gov. In order for those emails to end up on her private server, the DOS email system had to forward them to her private server — or — DOS had to open a secure port so her email server could pull the mail. In either case, IT knew about it.
You convinced me that she knew her legal requirements for handling classified information. In order for her to be “not culpable” you will have convince me that she did not know about the server and that she did not authorize her security and IT guys to ignore the obvious exposure.
If someone else stripped the classification from the emails, are you trying to say that intercept information looks like a regular email? I’m not buying that. Big chinese gongs should have been going off – “this is an intercept and it isn’t marked SI, what’s going on?”
I go with Occam’s Razor, “the simplest explanation is usually the correct one”. She was trying to avoid oversight and she wasn’t even competent enough to do that right.
“If someone else stripped the classification from the emails, are you trying to say that intercept information looks like a regular email? I’m not buying that. Big chinese gongs should have been going off – “this is an intercept and it isn’t marked SI, what’s going on?””
It depends, Richard. Some reports are obviously classified. Others no so much.
What we’re looking at here is plausible deniability on Hillary’s part. If there are no classifications on the email, Hillary would just say, “I see all kinds of information, classified, unclassified. Half the time I can’t keep it straight. I just take it for granted that my people are going to take care of me and not send me classified info when they shouldn’t.” I can imagine that being almost a quote of what she will say.
As far as her being liable cause classified went to her server, if she didn’t receive it in email (and read it) or if none of the documents have her “fingerprints” on them, she’s not responsible for what some staff weenie does. Again, that’s what she’ll say and she’ll skate.
And FYI, lots of emails get bandied about in classified channels that MIGHT have a classification at the top and the bottom, but nothing in between. Looks just like regular ole email except that it’s discussing, well, we won’t go there. I’m not as bulletproof as Hillary.
And many times it isn’t so obvious that information is SI or TK or take your pick. Just isn’t. It’s damn interesting reading, but it could very well be a great unclassified article from some think tank.
I’m not saying that all intel info looks like that. There is plenty that is obviously classified on reading it. Just that many times analytic pieces consumed by people particularly at Hillary’s level are a big mishmash of sources. If a staff person did the idiotic thing of removing the classifications, it would be difficult to know what classification it is or the source.
But if she wrote an email that qualified as SECRET – say, her thoughts about a foreign leader, or a summary of some negotiations – that’s classified, whether she marks it or not. She can *generate* classified information. I imagine that’ll be the straightest shot at her…folks unfamiliar with AR 380-5 and EO 12333 may buy the “it wasn’t marked” excuse, but the prosecutors will know better…
Oh, yes. It is very bad to not mark classified properly. But many people at her level, especially one who is not an intel professional, are clueless about those procedures. They depend on staffers to watch their six.
I’ve been an intel officer for over 30 years. After retiring from the Navy, I worked in a federal organization’s intel department. I worked with people who were retired cops, straight out of college, had worked in other fields in which they NEVER dealt with classified. It was scary.
Just for the heck of it, I would ask people who worked for me simple questions which any intel officer with about 3 months in the biz would know. They didn’t. Hillary MIGHT be a bit more sophisticated, but I doubt it. I’ve met very senior people like her who have to be led around by the hand to navigate this stuff. Remember, she was SecState, which is a lot more than an intel organization.
If Hillary has plausible deniability (which, being a Clinton, we all know she has), she will not suffer any legal or administrative consequences.
Where she will suffer is in lessening of her already low ratings of “trustworthiness” and “judgement.” Both suck and will get much suckier.
She was a member of the armed forces committee in the senate. Kind of hard to buy the ignorance excuse.
And she did try to enlist in the Marine Corps. At least that is what she said, and she would never lie, would she?
Never…..
Psych Clinton style….
Thanks for filling in some of the blanks.
My personal greatest classification faux pax was an attempt to make a classified report print faster by writing the output to tape then printing the report off the tape in a separate partition.
The run took less time – 4 hours instead of 7 hours – but I couldn’t make the report print from the tape. The boss was pissed because we had to run the job again and he had to destroy a tape that now contained classified data.
The input and transaction data was on several tapes and they were marked Secret. The program was on cards and it was marked Secret. I had no contact with higher classification than that and the markings all seemed pretty obvious to me. I recall some other briefings, I am unable to conceptualize that someone didn’t understand the issue or the risk on a private insecure server.
I spent a year working on a R&D project for Combat Development Command on Fort Leavenworth. I drove past the US Disciplinary Barracks and the US Federal Penitentiary every day. Maybe I thought that they were substandard housing.
One interesting aspect of this case is that it seems to me that the Intelligence Community has decided that they do not want Hillary Clinton to ever be President of the United States, and are moving to stop her.
I mean, it would have been fairly easy for them to sweep this whole thing under the rug if they really wanted to. But, instead, they have decided to go front and center and put it out in public that she mishandled TS/SCI info.
I don’t know if it’s because of simmering bad blood over Benghazi, or some other behind-the-scenes feud dating from her days as SecState, Senator, or even First Lady, but the IC appears to have squared up in opposition to Herself. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Hayabusa –
“One interesting aspect of this case is that it seems to me that the Intelligence Community has decided that they do not want Hillary Clinton to ever be President of the United States, and are moving to stop her.”
What bothers me there is that there’s a fair amount of evidence out there that the intelligence community held back info from President Reagan because they were afraid he’d lead us into a war, and they definitely let material leak on Dubya. They’re supposed to be impartial keepers of secrets, not political arbiters.
Mike
Mike, I would be really interested to see that what info was withheld from Reagan.
I characterize my naval service as one of “Reagan’s Cold Warriors” and I participated in some pretty spooky ops. I’m sure that Reagan was briefed on some of them.
Not saying it didn’t happen, but as a card carrying Russian military linguist, I can tell you we Sailors did not hold back.
As far as Hillary is concerned, anyone with an IQ above 10 should instinctively know that Hillary will be disastrous for this country. But the IC will still support her. Me? I’ll be in Costa Rica!
Mustang Cryppie,
My apologies for not being more clear when I said intel community, that painted a lot of good people who did their jobs with a very wide brush. I was actually referring to CIA, which had some folks with attitude problems regarding both DCI Casey and President Reagan. I have no doubt that you in particular and the military intel teams in general gave service above and beyond, without consideration of political factors. Again, my most sincere apologies.
Best regards,
Mike
I knew that reading this would spoil my lunch. (Heavy sigh.) Why am I always right about these things?
Well, despite what you all think about shrillary (or should I make that shillary?), her ‘teflon’ quality, and her possibly blaming it all on some heretofore unknown aide, there are some things you can’t wiggle out of and one of them is violating security rules.
Whether it was intentional on her part (as most of us think) or she is actually that ignorant of the rules is immaterial. She is nothing more than a lying bitch and we all know it. I think it’s obvious that someone is leaking bits of this and that to various agencies to make sure that this untrammeled harpy from Hell does not get elected. I wouldn’t vote for her, anyway, and unless I’m mistaken, most or all of you will not.
My hope is that enough of this stuff gets plastered to bodaprez and his cronies, too, in ways that I can’t foresee right now, so that a real President can take the reins and get us out of the pisshole we’ve been stuck in since — how long HAS it been? I’ve lost count.
August is half-over. 15 more months of this crap. I think that if you can deal with a combat environment, you should be tough enough to handle it.
How did SIPER email get ported over to NIPER (her com account)? That sh!t is not supposed to even touch the same networks. Unless someone had a heck of a sneaker net or cabled something up, am I missing something?
And there are 0 reasons to have a .com address for doing gov work unless it is nefarious.
“And there are 0 reasons to have a .com address for doing gov work unless it is nefarious.”
Hillary will more than likely skate on any legal issues, but what you say is the gem that will bite her. At least in the minds of those who pay attention. She screwed up big time by standing up the damn server.
She’s counting on the fact that hardly anybody is really paying attention.
By the way, are you in Hawaii? I’m guessing that’s the reason for the H1 “nom de plume.” I lived in Ewa Beach.
Call sign.
Not as cool as like “B5”.
Gotcha.
Remember this? This is what will happen in Hillary’s case. I bet my bottom dollar. Note the “decline to investigate” twice.
(from Wikipedia)
“[CIA Director John] Deutch left the CIA on December 15, 1996[1] and soon after it was revealed that several of his laptop computers contained classified materials designated as unclassified.[clarification needed] In January 1997, the CIA began a formal security investigation of the matter. Senior management at CIA declined to fully pursue the security breach. Over two years after his departure, the matter was referred to the Department of Justice, where Attorney General Janet Reno declined prosecution. She did, however, recommend an investigation to determine whether Deutch should retain his security clearance.[8] President Clinton pardoned Deutch on his last day in office.[
There are any number of ways that could happen. You’ve detailed the most likely; manually retyping stuff while omitting security markings is another. Both are violations of policy and/or law.
There are a few other methods I can think of that might do the trick as well, but I won’t discuss them here. IMO those are far less likely anyway, and also involve a deliberate violation of policy/law.
What I remember is that if a lower classification device is connected to a higher network that device is forever and ever a higher classification
Not universally true, but close enough – in theory, anyway. In practice, well . . . it depends.
If no one finds out it happened or the consequences for doing so are essentially nothing, it could easily happen fairly often. Removable media also complicates the situation greatly.
Is doing that kind of thing against regs and/or law? Sure. But so is murder, and that happens from time to time too. And some murders are never discovered, let alone prosecuted.
Good point, in fact by virtue of the toggle and separate servers in an office environment, you should not be able to send a sip to a nip. But if you have a cleared lap top (and a thumb drive)… and your agency CSO, SSO and ICSO are moroons. You can do a lot with said lap top in Chappaqua, let alone say a JWICS account.
But what do I know …
I would ask, who has cleared lap tops?
Betcha the Muslim Brotherhood chick did!
https://twitter.com/HCI56/status/631664742290096128
Iowahawk strikes again. Love that guy. (smile)
And…
If her server was penetrated by any foreign governments, and they have the evidence of her crimes, think of the leverage that would give them with a Pres. Clinton.
As an intel guy, I would have been salivating at the thought of gaining access to the U.S. SecState emails, even if she didn’t send one classified email over the network!
Imagine what comfortable, unguarded Hillary must write when she’s in a friendly environment. Intel GOLD!
I read comfortable and unguarded as ” drunk at home”
In her dainties with Humma laying next to her while they sip wine. Ready for the brain bleach yet? lol
What is more interest to me is how a TS/SCI document ended up in her mail. If someone sent it to her that person is up shit creek. If the document was enclosed in an outgoing message Hillary is up shit creek, especially if that message was sent to someone outside of government or an un-cleared person. She has a bad habit of being way to cosey with her close friends. That and the fact that she has commingled government with campaign activity.
Perhaps one of our legal eagles could tell us under what circumstances Hillary could be barred from federal office. I seem to remember that there a disqualifying federal crimes.
She certainly has the denial down to a fine art. But, for plausible deniability to work, you must have that plausible part covered as well. Going to extraordinary means to avoid knowing the rules, and then violating a bunch of them, just is not plausible.