Allen James Hansen; phony Vietnam veteran
A couple of people sent this guy, Allen James Hansen, to Mary. He claims that he was an Explosive Ordinance Disposal technician in the Navy and that he was attached to Special Forces units, that he was a Navy diver and “stationed” in Cambodia and Laos (you know, even though we never had anyone stationed in those countries that weren’t at the embassies). You’ll notice in the picture above, he wears the EOD badge whenever he leaves the house. This is what he displays as his awards;
A Silver Star, two Bronze Star Medals (with a valor device), some Vietnam service and campaign medals. Oddly, there’s no Combat Action Ribbon – you’d think that someone with the valor medals, there wouldd be some combat action, wouldn’t you?
But, the National Personnel Records Center says that he wasn’t in Vietnam, not in the waters near Vietnam. He was a Mineman – he worked with mines, our mines – but not EOD. He had more than 20 years of service according to his records, but I guess that wasn’t good enough;
Category: Phony soldiers
NDSM? Check. He’s legit.
20+ years, retired and he has to blow smoke up everyone’s ass.
FUCK HIM.
Hey give this POS some credit his records do show that in those 20 years he did get ONE, as in 1 each, Good Conduct Medal. It is not like they give those out every few years of service. /sarc
He is sporting a Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal with 4 Bronze stars next to it.
Not to get into a disagreement with you. I was just going by the FOIA posted here shows: Meritorious Unit Commendation (4), and Good Conduct. It does not show multiple awards. Now I am retired from the Air Farce so I am not familiar with Marine awards so you know more about Marine awards then I do.
But either way he is still a LPoS
JOD, he shouldn’t have a Marine GCM as part of his “rack.” He was Navy.
From what I can tell, the Navy GCM is plain red. (like the ribbon to the left of the Marine GCM)
It looks to me as if he is sporting both a Navy GCM and a Marine GCM.
Maybe that’s to make up for the NDSM(w/bss) that he is authorized, but doesn’t appear in his “rack.
As near as I can tell from the FOIA, his rack should only consist of seven ribbons/unit commendations.
He has stretched it out to 23 separate ribbons/unit commendations with a whole bunch of bogus additions, but failed to include one of the ribbons that he was authorized.
But I guess that is what we should expect from someone who was retired as an E-3. (much like Garry Briggs, the time traveling E-1 at time of discharge.)
That’s not a Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal. It’s a Naval Reserve Meritorious Service Medal (Reserve equivalent of the GCM).
Bingo.
Here’s an article (Wikipedia) with a photo of same.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_Good_Conduct_Medal
Completely unrelated to this knucklehead, it’s also interesting to note that as of 2014 the Navy has discontinued the issuance of the NRMSM and now awards the the Navy Good Conduct Medal to both active duty and reserve personnel.
Yes, I now see the colored edge piping on the ribbon.
No excuse, but I was Regular Army. Sometimes those little colored edges on ribbons are hard to see, especially when they pertain to Naval Reserve Medals.
Thanks for the correction.
http://minemen.org/EmailRet.htm#H
Found this on a reunion site. I only know Army jargon. Does any of this make sense?
Allen Hansen MN, USNR
Setauket. LI, NY: MN Class ‘A’ from Aug ’69 to Jan’70. Assigned to Momat-
Charleston, SC attached to Hotel Det from May ’70 to Feb’72 also to MN Reserve Indep.
duty with TAD at COMOMAG, Charleston & NWS Earle, NJ. While with Hotel Det., we
deployed to Siggy from Aug ’70 to Jan ’71 and RAF Mac from Aug ’71 to Jan ’72. From 72 to 74 stayed in USNR.
Got back in ’77 to ’86. Went on active duty TEMAC Recruiter in NAVRECDIST NY/NJ. There I was a Recruiter,
Recruiter in Charge, Military Liasion PO Mgr for NRD NY/NJ until I retired in ’96.
Retired 1996
Brentwood, LI, NY
Not Navy, but did work around them a bit.
Believe “Siggy” is short for NAS Sigonella in Sicily.
Not sure about RAF Mac. My guess would be one of the RAF bases in the UK, but I don’t know which one.
Neither one seems to be anywhere remotely near Vietnam. Nor does that summary appear to claim any RVN service.
I think that’s an accurate (though incomplete) summary of the guy’s true service, posted before he started lying about same (or after he got caught). I say incomplete because it doesn’t address his retirement as an E3 at 20 years, and implies he likely retired as an NCO.
He says he Apparently retired as. Chief in the Navy! I am a graduate of the school he currently works as the Director of Veterans Services/Admission….
If he is working there then someone should ask if they ever checked his record
Addendum: RAF Mac may be short for now-closed “RAF Machrihanish”. The Navy apparently had a presence there as well at one time – SEALs and others used it for training. It’s possible mine warfare types did as well.
The USN Mine Force had a Detachment at RAF Machrihanish ( Momag Det 2 ) for many years. I was there as a mineman in 1974.
I was in Hotel Detachment from 1971-1975 at MOMAG Charleston. I was in Crete in 72, Sicily in 73 and RAF Mac in 74. I retired in 1995 and i dont ever remember knowing this person and dont ever remember hearing his name.
This guy claims he was on a EOD Team out there ..
I’m 100% Military awards STUPID, so I’m going back to school at night in my bed. I’m going to teach me how to identify every service ribbon, stars, etc, and in which order they should be displayed.
I’m going to show my ignorance and ask what the gold star on his bronze star is supposed to represent?
Navy and USMC use a gold star vice a bronze OLC to deonte 2nd award of virtually all personal awards except Defense/Joint awards, 509Trooper. This tool was claiming he had 2 BSMs – at least 1 w/V device.
The gold star device represents a subsequent award. This guy claims to have two Bronze Stars.
509Trooper,
What 509 are we talking, not 3/509 by any chance?
I rate 2 JMUAs from when I was in the Marine Corps and the second award is denoted by a bronze ss not an OLC (same thing with his Joint Achievement Medal).
Also, isn’t MNSN an E3? Not much to show for 20 years of service.
I was wondering the same thing, Guard Bum. I think you’re right.
Looking at his record of assignments, it seems he was a MN2 when he reenlisted in 1989. My guess would be some kind of serious disciplinary issue after reaching 18-year sanctuary.
Regarding a star to show 2nd award of the JMUA and JSAM – that would be negative. Per Table 1, DoDM 1348.33-V3 (pp. 65-66), OLCs are used on Defense/Joint awards (e.g., DDSM, DSSM, DMSM, JSCM, JSAM, and JMUA) to show second and subsequent awards.
Well I’ll be damned if your not correct. Been out of the Marine Corps since 93 and I could have sworn they didn’t use OLC but they do for DOD and joint awards as you pointed out.
Navy and USMC don’t use OLCs on decorations granted by DON (MC, DSM, LOM, DFC, BSM, PH, MSM, NCM, NAM, etc . . .). They do on the Defense/Joint decorations, because DoD – not DON – is proponent for those and has prescribed the use of OLCs.
That’s the first thing that popped out at me….
He must have seriously screwed the pooch on some issue to get the skipper to bust him down to an E-3.
Looks like he was a Reservist for some time. Doesn’t NPQ = Not Physically Qualified? I think he was a PO2 for a long time so not sure what the retired as an E3 is all about. Would like to see the DD-214’s.
If I’m reading the Record of Assignments correctly, he spent his last 10 years as a Recruiter.
I wonder if “Playing Poke-A-DEP” had anything to do with being retired as an E-3?
Not being a Navy puke, I would not have caught that.
20+ years and “RETIRED” as an E-3??
How is that possible to *retire* after being busted that low? Maybe he was an E-5 at worst (I saw them in the USAF) and lost a couple of stripes for something.
Well he at least Screwed the Pooch somehow.
It can happen, ChipNASA.
When I was a youngster, I saw a guy serve in Korea as an E7 – and get mixed up in black marketing. He left Korea as an E3. However, since he already had 20+ years and his GCM didn’t sentence him to receive a punitive discharge, he shortly afterwards retired – as an E3.
He was also under the older “final pay” system for retired pay. His retired pay was therefore based on his final pay – that of an E3. (The legal loophole that allowed high-3 retirees who got reduced for cause to skate wasn’t closed until McKinney got busted some years later.)
Easily could be the case, CLAW131. If I had to place a bet, that (or some other kind of recruiter misconduct) would be my bet.
If I’m reading the 3d page of his record of assignments correctly, his last reenlistment in 1994 shows him being assigned to the NY Recruiting District at the time. He left the service as an E3 less than 2 years later.
Yep, that’s for sure one thing that will get you busted down and out in the Recruiting game, no matter what service.
“Don’t get caught wading in the shallow end of the DEP pool!!”
As a former officer recruiter, it was called “dipping a DEPer”… and Hansen was probably caught doing it to someone in the DEP pool.
Maybe he was a district trainer or something that moved around alot
Hondo – he was at NRD NY for a long time (July 86 to Oct 94). He could have been a recruiter (the seven gold wreaths are for the recruiter badge for making goal in a quarter) and then moved into one of the support roles while there.
When I recruited, the ones that seemed to get themselves into trouble were the CRF’s (Career Recruiter Force) NC’s that were on permanent recruiting duty (usually starting at Second Class on up). Some of them did some really shady stuff to make goal each month and would usually be the problem Sailors at a NRD (frat with DEPPERs or drugs/alcohol). If they were performers, the CRF’s would “look out for their own” and stuff would be swept under the rug, especially if the CO/XO were on the ROAD program.
No argument, HMCS(FMF). My comment was intended to show he was at the NYC Rec Det and in good standing in 1994 – after he’d reached the 18 year sanctuary. That’s all.
My guess is either a field-grade NJP (or perhaps multiple NJPs, at least 1 of which was a field-grade) or a court-martial that didn’t sentence him to receive a punitive discharge. Either could have busted him down to E3 (or even lower). However, since he’d reached the 18 year sanctuary Federal law may well have precluded his discharge other than for cause. If it was a court-martial, the fact that they didn’t give him a punitive discharge would make sense if they didn’t want to take away his retirement (which ANY punitive discharge does). A board of officers at an admin board might have done the same – decided to let him retire.
Either way, this guy got screwed economically. Since he first entered the military before Sep 1980, he too was under the “final pay” system for retired pay. Hope he’s enjoying that 50% base pay of an E3 over 20, adjusted for inflation. (smile)
During one of my Oki tours, I recalled reading in Stars &warriors about GySgt stationed down at Subic that was busted for augmenting his income by selling 9mm ammunition to the locals. They said that he would be retiring at E1. I guess he decide to live in Olongopo, he just may have been able to make it with that big chunk of change coming in every month. I speculate that the reason he decided on this alternate income was because no AMWAY franchises were available.
My question about MNSN being an E-3 has been asked and answered.
That leads me to the next question: a Navy Diver in Laos? Last time I looked at a map Laos was land locked.
well … you CAN dive in the Mekong. Seems pretty stupid to me to dive in a river with a pretty strong current, 0/0 visibility, and stuff like logs in it but whatever.
Naw, he did all of his diving in the Nam Ngum Reservior which is north of Vientiane.
I thought that was common knowledge amongst all the Navy EOD divers that were “stationed” in Laos.
They say some of the catfish in that reservior are big enough to eat a man in one gulp. But you didn’t hear that fish story from me, especially since my boots were never on the “ground” in Laos.
Earning the Navy crab is a long process which also include dive and airborne schools and a host of other stuff none of which shows on his records. Well at least he stuck to the basic crab and not the master. What a way to crap on the time you put in verse just being proud of having served and leave it at that.
Our “Espert” here is a real over achiever. I think I made E-3 in less than 6 months…..both times.
A Silver Star. He gave himself a Silver Star. He just gave himself a Silver Star. He just decided one day he deserved a Silver Star. The SOB decided one day he deserved a Silver Star. The SOB decided one day he deserved a Silver Star for being a fraud. This worthless SOB just decided one day he deserved a Silver Star for being a fraud and a gutless sack of shit. He gave…..well I will just sit here for a while scream at the screen.
He’s not worth even a muffled groan, Dave. Anyone who can’t pass the practical factors (hands-on test) or written tests, or maybe doesn’t even take those tests and sits in an E-5 rating slot for 20 years is either a goldbricker or a problem child.
My guess is that he was a useless piece of flotsam with less ambition than a used paper napkin, and goofed off more than he worked until he could retire. I’d bet he spent more time complaining about his low pay in the Navy than he did working.
That’s why I said he’s not worth even a muffled groan.
Believe me, DH – I understand. Completely.
Ill just leave this here.
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=54436
But, did you notice the Silver Star, Dave?
What he ONLY got one Silver Star?
What a shit bag.
As for me, myself I have, at last count, around 4 or 5 hundred of those type of awards. My are so secret though I can only talk about them on the internet.
My faithful and omnipresent glorious leader John “Faker 6” Giduck put me in for every one of them.
Oh those were the days…
His first hitch was 68 to 74 yet none of that time period is reflected in his record of assignments. Page missing?
I’m going to guess that he did his first enlistment in the active component Navy (68-74) then came back as a TAR or on ADOS orders as a reservist for the second period. I’m basing that on the codes for his assignments of RECACDUTRA, which I’m assuming is recalled to active duty for training. That would also explain the 1 GCM, but not the reduction to MNSN from MN2. Does that make sense to any of you who are saltier than me?
No Purple Hearts?
Weak.
20 years and retired as a Seaman, something is fucky
Actually, it looked like he did pretty well for awhile. He had some decent REAL awards including seven for being an outstanding recruiter. He obviously screwed the pooch at the end and they let him retire instead of admin separation because of that. My guess is he’s trying to set himself up for VA compensation to augment his well-deserved E-3 retired pay. Anyone care to bet on that?
Yea, but! Did he ride sKerry’s boat up the Mekong that Christmas Night of 68 thats forever seared (I tell you) in sKerry’s feeble brain?
Comparing his real records to his rack, I’d say, New York is a hell of a rough tour of duty!
Mineman is a pretty small rate so it’s not that easy to advance, but MN2 at 20? Dude is a bag of hammers.
Can I have a “tilt rod check” on aisle 5, please?
E-5 at 20 years isn’t totally out of the realm of possibility for the USNR. Even today an Reserve E-5s don’t reach HYT until they hit 20 years. Many moons ago when I first got off active duty and affiliated with the USNR we had a few non-rate E-3s in the unit with over 12 years.
I am a 20 year mineman and i know of at least 10 mineman that retired as PO2. Mineman was a very tough rate for making rate. In 1971 when i joined we had just over 400 Mineman and less than 500 for most of my career. So dont you dare disrespect anyone in the mine force let alone someone that retired with 20 years plus service.
Even if its hard to get promoted in that rate wouldn’t the Bronze and silver stars raise a flag.. How many MN2 were awarded that.