Inside the battle for Tikrit

| April 4, 2015

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The New York Times, hand-wringing liberals that they are, report that Iraqi forces that took back the Iraqi city Tikrit from ISIS the other day aren’t acting as civilized as they like;

There were no Islamic State prisoners taken at all in the recent fight, said Mr. Khadimy, the senior Badr official. “To be honest, everywhere we captured them we killed them because they were the enemy,” he said. Then, perhaps realizing how that sounded, he explained that any ISIS fighters who were about to be captured were assumed to be suicide bombers, so they were killed as a precaution.

A battalion commander of the popular mobilization forces who was involved in the fight here for the past several months said that this week his men had captured three Afghan men, an Afghan woman and an Algerian man, all Islamic State fighters, in the battle for the palaces. “After we were done with them, we killed them,” he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to be identified admitting to a war crime.

Yeah, well, maybe they should have taken prisoners whose treatment would have been scrutinized by the media instead. Reuters reports similar barbaric behavior;

Near the charred, bullet-scarred government headquarters, two federal policemen flanked a suspected Islamic State fighter. Urged on by a furious mob, the two officers took out knives and repeatedly stabbed the man in the neck and slit his throat. The killing was witnessed by two Reuters correspondents.

The incident is now under investigation, interior ministry spokesman Brigadier General Saad Maan told Reuters.

AFP reports that Amnesty International is sticking their big, fat noses where they don’t belong;

“We are very concerned by reports of widespread human rights abuses committed in the course of the military operation in the area around Tikrit,” the rights watchdog’s Donatella Rovera told AFP.

Yeah, well, that’s the nature of warfare in that particular region. If ISIS is going to be defeated they have to feel defeated. I’m not saying that I don’t find it repulsive that humans mistreat each other in that part of the world, I do. That’s also the reason that I oppose the introduction of US forces in that region, too. US troops won’t be able to defeat ISIS because they won’t be able to fight the gruesome war that needs to be waged against ISIS. Precisely because of the New York Times, Reuters and Amnesty International.

Like I’ve said before, the Iraqis and the Iranians have to make war more painful than not fighting in order to beat ISIS. American forces would be hamstrung by a restrictive set of Rules of Engagement, the Iraqis and Iranians don’t have that problem.

At least, the Iraqis are not murdering folks who aren’t trying to kill them first, you know, like the Islamic extremist al-Shabab terrorists in Kenya when they murdered 148 Christian students on Thursday. I’m sure Amnesty international won’t be sending people to investigate that REAL atrocity.

The gunmen singled out Christians at the university, killing them on the spot. But Muslims also were among the dead, as were women, even though the attackers had said at one point that they, too, would be spared.

The masked attackers — strapped with explosives and armed with AK-47s — battled troops and police before the violence ended after about 13 hours.

Thanks to Chief Tango for the NYT link.

Category: Terror War

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68W58

“The incident is now under investigation”. Interior Ministry spokesman Brigadier General Saad Maan told Reuters-laughing hysterically.

Gotta love that they sent out Sad Man to speak on this incident, I bet they were tempted to send out Happee Kampir instead.

Ex-PH2

Really, why would Amnesty International be interested in sticking its nose into war the the USofA is not engaged in?

These tribes are going to kill each other off, in terribly gruesome ways. We should stay out of it and the them handle it. It is, after all, their sandbox.

jjak

To be fair, they complain about taking and keeping prisoners too. There’s no pleasing them.

Poetrooper

Cold-blooded, ruthless? Yep, but efficient in the sense that no combat-effectives need be detailed to handle prisoners. The downside is that ISIS fighters likely will fight to the death if they know that is their fate if captured, making close combat that much more ferocious.

Sitting here at the keyboard with a cup of coffee where it’s so easy to be sanguine about other folk’s lives, I must confess to feeling a bit of smug satisfaction knowing that these arbitrary killers are themselves being taken off the board forever, even if as prisoners. They’ve committed their last atrocities against civilians and civilization and that knowledge is warmly satisfying, to be perfectly honest.

Animal

It’s 1st Sgt Moerk. She went to work for amnesty international.

Blaster

“Human rights violations” ? Against ISIS fighters? Are they Fn kidding? I’m sorry, but I have a hard time believing that people are this self righteous and stupid. I know I shouldn’t be surprised. After what ISIS has been doing to these people, now these people are expected to take the moral high ground? This is the reason we keep ending up back in the same place, we aren’t creating a deterrent to not do the things they do. It seems that the Iraqi military is attempting to take the fight out of them by not taking prisoners. IMO that is smart in this war, maybe in this region.

As far as taking prisoners, I’m sure they have learned their lesson by watching what happens to prisoners when WE take them. They get traded back to their friends so they can return to the fight and we get a POS deserter back.

Go ahead and make martyrs out of them. They are less trouble that way.

CC Senor

“Yeah, well, maybe they should have taken prisoners whose treatment would have been scrutinized by the media instead.”

Right, because we all know that nothing can compare with the sins of the Americans at Abu Ghraib. Not even those of Saddam Hussein’s regiem.

As for war crimes by Iraqi forces, hasn’t ISIS pretty much forfeited any claim to protection under rules of war because of their own conduct? Is summary execution still allowed for bandits and pirates?

Casey

Given that ISIS/ISIL doesn’t constitute a recognizable organized armed force, I’m not sure they ever qualified for Geneva protection in the first place.

Alberich

Everybody gets a certain level of “Geneva protection”…for example, that you can’t shoot the wounded if they’re hors de combat, or attack civilians taking “no active part in the hostilities,” or take hostages and shoot them if the local populace acts up.

This is why we can’t repeat Sherman’s march to the sea, or the Hamburg/Dresden/Tokyo bombings, anymore, tempting though that may be to some people.

And I think that is really Jonn’s point; that when people can target the civilians this way, the wars we won tend to stay won. This article made that point a while ago, and I’m sure many others have as well.

It may be that international law has gone too far; but until it changes, it’s what we’re stuck with.

Alberich

(The part of the article I’m referring to starts about halfway down, with the words, “The population of a nation that has lost a war…”)

Animal

I’m waiting for someone to criticize the Marine Corps for burying alive the dead Japanese soldiers recently found in caves on Peleliu.

Animal

Ok. They were alive when they were buried. Presumably. They didn’t bury alive dead soldiers.

Sparks

“We are very concerned by reports of widespread human rights abuses committed in the course of the military operation in the area around Tikrit,” the rights watchdog’s Donatella Rovera told AFP.

How very liberal PC special. Wonder where Donatella was and had to say when ISIS was beheading Americans and burning the Jordanian pilot alive? Screw them all. They can kiss my ass in the county square! As for prisoners? Screw that issue and the prisoners as well. No prisoners, no muss, no fuss.

Blaster

I have a feeling that taking no prisoners is going to become the unspoken SOP in the near future. All of the PC and bleeding heart BS that the liberals are spewing Like the fact that we are supposed to feel empathy for these guys (according to Hilldabeast) while they cut off heads and rape and bury children alive, is going to result in troops saying to hell with it. Two center-mass and one to the head is a lot easier than bringing them in alive.

Just think how backwards everything is now. Soldiers have their awards for valor for killing the enemy taken away for, killing the enemy. And, according to this administration, the whole reason ISIS is killing and raping is because they need jobs?!?!?

Yeah, leaving them lay is what I see happening more and more.

Alberich

US troops won’t be able to defeat ISIS because they won’t be able to fight the gruesome war that needs to be waged against ISIS. Precisely because of the New York Times, Reuters and Amnesty International.

If you mean what I think you mean, it’s not the media or the NGO’s, but the actual requirements of the modern (post-1949) Law of War. Which some countries follow more scrupulously than others.

Weekend Warror in Texas

““To be honest, everywhere we captured them we killed them because they were the enemy,” he said. Then, perhaps realizing how that sounded, he explained that any ISIS fighters who were about to be captured were assumed to be suicide bombers, so they were killed as a precaution.”

Just taking out the trash.

Ex-PH2

The police reported that when they did shoot some of the al-Shababis, they exploded.

This article, about the ‘behind the curtain’ origins of ISIS and the other groups, has some interesting stuff in it.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-hidden-hand-behind-the-islamic-state-militants-saddam-hussein%e2%80%99s/ar-AAarTDc

However, the entire thing is still blamed on A) – Europe after WWI and B) the US in 2003.

So, if we were giving financial aid to Iraq, where did the money go? Obviously, not where it was supposed to go.

Equally obviously, it was COMPLETELY wrong to give the Israelis a place to live where they actualy came from. Likewise, the ‘invention’ of Jordan was also COMPLETELY wrong.

Maybe we need to go further back into history and study up on the history of the Roman siege of Jerusalem, as recorded by Flavius Josephus, to find the real origins of this mess in the Middle East. Or maybe even further back than that, to the days of the Persians swarming across the entire fertile crescent under Xerxes the God-king.

Seriously, why can’t these people in AI just admit that they don’t have a clue and that not everyone is ‘nice’?

DarthAvenger

Hondo, I agree with your comments. I am just wondering where Amnesty International was when all the innocents that ISIS has murdered and especially the beheading of the Egyptian Christian workers in Libya who just went there to work or the Jordanian pilot who was burned alive.