American Sniper and appendage envy
I read Chris Kyle’s book on the day that it came out, in one sitting. It was that good. I haven’t seen the movie yet, though, mostly because I don’t get around so good any more, so I’m waiting for it to come out on my TV. But, I guess I don’t have to see it to write a review of it, because the Left doesn’t seem bothered by the fact that they can review it from watching the trailer and I’ve seen the trailer several times.
It’s been said that war is an ugly thing, but it’s not the ugliest of things. To continue John Stuart Mill’s quote; “The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” That’s pretty much what we’re witnessing these days. Michael Moore’s Tweet is just the tip of the ugliest of things. Every Leftist with a computer has taken to their key boards to disparage Clint Eastwood’s movie.
Somehow, the examination of one soldier’s life (I know, Kyle was a SEAL and not a soldier) has forced every hippie in the country to examine their own manhoods, and they’re holding them cheap (thanks, Shakespeare). Of course, that’s why Kyle went to war – so that the hippies can wax endlessly about how much better they are than Kyle. Luckily, no one will believe them. Also, luckily, the hippies will always have someone to disparage who is willing to go and do the job that they don’t have the manhood to accomplish – but doing a job that needs to be done by someone.
The only reason these “reviews” are given any public exposure is because of that “great divide” that we get to read about these days between the folks who give their lives to the defense of liberty and the rest. The rest squirm in their theater seats as they watch a better man than them portrayed on the screen and they recognize that they come up short in the comparison – so they take to the keyboards to recover some of their length.
They also didn’t “get” why Walt Kowalski did what he did in another Clint Eastwood movie, Gran Torino. The concept of “manly men” goes right over their carefully coiffed heads.
Category: I hate hippies
I liked some things the movie did well, the PSD struggles Chris had and the way he helped others deal with PSD.
I didn’t like the way the movie changed things from the book (which I haven’t read yet for full disclosure). One could say that the movie took an anti Iraq war sentiment with some scenes.
I have to disagree. The movie didn’t take a sentiment on the war one way or another. It didn’t focus on the war, but merely showed it in detail as a catalyst and an experience that shaped Chris Kyle’s mentality.
I loved this movie. It had SO much heart!
Lardass Michael Moore and the rest of the blathering hippies who would disparage the American Fighting Men, this is all about you and your shortcomings. Chris Kyle has proved his worth, you haven’t begun to prove yours.
“War is an ugly thing, but it’s not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
John Stuart Mills
Heard several interesting discussions among the young civilian set this morning about this movie. At least they were talking about it! And asking appropriate questions.
“American Sniper” earned an “astonishing $90.2 million in its debut weekend….” Source: Variety
Coincidentally, a slew of movies flopped over the past year, including ones starring box-office magnet Tom ‘Couch Jumper’ Crusie. Speculation was that the cost of tickets prompted folks to shy away from the theater. So much for that theory, with a $92 million opening for American Sniper. Here’s an alternative theory: Folks will pay good money to see good movies and will not pay to watch shitty actors in shitty roles in shitty movies. Another theory is that a good movie that intelligently honors the discipline, dedication, and sacrifice of our fighters remains a surefire winner.
Cruise was excellent in Collateral and Jack Reacher. He may be an absolute lunatic, but the guy can do work with the right role. Don’t hate.
Biggest opening in January of any movie—ever.
Will Janos try to sue for box office receipts now?
Fat Fuck Janos can eat a bag of dicks and slither back to Mexico (not that they want him, either). Something tells me that if he ever enters the Coronado city limits again, he’ll suddenly learn a whole new meaning of “off the grid.”
Saw it last night. Well worth it. The differences between the book and the movie are small potatoes and have no real impact on the story.
When Chief Kyle’s widow said they got it right, that was the only review I cared out.
“When Chief Kyle’s widow said they got it right, that was the only review I cared out.”
Well said
I never met Chief Kyle. I read the book and I went to the funeral. Taya is a class act.
That is my take, also.
Looks like Seth Rogen is the latest court jester to open his stupid pie hole, comparing American Sniper to the Nazi propaganda film in Inglorious Basterds.
Rogen is usually funny, but most of his humor stems from the fact that he’s an idiot slacker who smoked away whatever functioning brain cells he ever had. His opinion has a bit less value than the sweat from my asscrack.
Seth Rogen is funny because he’s an overgrown two year old.
Whoa, dude! I think that’s gonna leave a mark …
But these people who denigrate the film and the career choice by one person are the same lazy f**cks who will come running to you for protection from the very bad guys who want to slaughter them wholesale.
They are the same people who, if they see something they don’t understand, will poke it with a stick or step on it and run away. They clip the wings of birds to keep them from flying. They make pets of predators and don’t understand why those predators turn on them.
What a peculiar world this has become.
Ex-PH2 I understand what with your being a member of the delicate fairer sex and in spite of your years of service as a squidette, that you are probably not aware that f*ck is spelled with only one asterisk.
Ahem…
The spelling of f–ck depends entirely on how it is pronounced, Poetrooper, e.g., what dialectical patina is attached to the pronunciation, what accent is used, and most of all, the strong and innate desire to leave something to the imagination of the reader.
You know, Ex-PH2, I think I do indeed remember reading something about diagonal vaginas on the walls over urinals in GI bars, perhaps while serving in Asia.
And by the way, I hate to be such a prig (yes, with a “g”) but you did in fact misspell the term again: it’s spelled with an asterisk, not a hymen.
Just sayin’
I love you, too, Poetrooper, but your pregnancy envy is showing again.
Well damn all! Got any pickles and ice cream?
No, but I do have garlic crackers, cheese and sausage.
“What a peculiar world this has become.”
Indeed. Sometimes, it has the seeming of a nightmare one cannot awaken from, where one is forced to watch a nation commit slow suicide, oblivious to all the warnings and desperate pleas from those who have eyes to see.
I suspect something similar in Rome … just before the barbarians came over the walls.
Yep.
“I suspect something similar in Rome … just before the barbarians came over the walls.”
That’s why up here in New England we’re reeeeeally hoping the South is serious about all this secessionist loose talk. Your welfare queen states (see net federal contributions by state) are bleeding us for no benefit, and you should break free of our civilizing shackles and knock yourself out with your Soviet-style agricultural & military economy.
Uh, shit for brains…how’s that welfare state of Massholistan working out so far?
Thanks for the freebies. Had it not been for the War of Northern Aggression, the industrial South would have put the Yankee industrial output to shame. But your jealous, self-righteous and bloodthirsty relatives had to go and destroy the South, burning it’s cities and raping and murdering women and children. Yankee snipers killed defenseless plantation owners and stole their land. The North even outlawed slavery in the South almost 2 years before they themselves did.
Yep – the South appreciates your contributions to their survival considering it was your relatives who put them in the position they’re in. Ain’t karma a bitch? (kinda like you CC)
And yet Southerners are the most insanely brainless, rabid animals when it comes to rah-rah militaristic and IMBECILIC “patriotism.”
You were never industrial–your easy source of cash is what kept you from industrializing, much like the oil economies today in every corner of the globe and with vastly different cultures and economic histories.
Your over the top pro-war nationalism is related to your intense sense of tribal honor, which is otherwise unheard of in Western cultures–as is your obsession with civilian handgun ownership, a practice much of the world abhors as boorish and uncivilized (unlike long guns kept for home protection). Because the supposedly wimpy well-dressed Yankee with all them fancy words so monumentally raped your rebel ass, and left you completely without options to return that insult to the source, you unload that rage and sense of injured pride on hapless Third World peoples who you invade without cause yet whom you fight with the fury and self-righteousness of someone literally protecting his front yard. For that reason, you are hated by any honest person who disagreed with the Iraq war–because so many of you regular soldiers CHOSE to politically and culturally agree with the war, publicly and often racist-ly as well.
Republicans now replace race with “culture when talking about Arabs & blacks. I agree with them, culture is important and must be criticized, and Southern culture is macabre and evil. It’s backward and uncultured too, but that’s their own problem and not for me to get snobby about. I just want them to stop getting so much blood of innocent Third World citizens on their wicked, violence-addicted Scots-Irish hands.
(cupping hand to ear, and listening intently)
Hmm. I’d swear I hear Shakespeare in the above diatribe. Specifically: “. . . it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”
Wow, I have to compliment you. A little better than fourteen hundred well-constructed characters used to paint yourself as a raving, ignorant bigot, while offering nothing else of value to any reader.
Bravo! Please keep up the good work; your own words repudiate you better than anyone else ever could.
Cheers. 🙂
It certainly is trying to keep this thread going so that it can garner more attention for itself.
Then it can point to all those who say ‘you are wrong, whiny goat’ and whine even louder that it can’t have its way in this argument… except that it does not present an argument, but rather, gossip and inuendo, which do not bear close examination.
Isn’t it a shame that it has to get out of school and the protected environs of academia some day? I have known at least two professional students. Now I can add a third to that list of sofa bisons.
Christ Almighty, is this still going on? I’m the biggest fraggin’ hippie pseudo-liberal douchebag in the military, and that guy’s grating on my nerves. I suspect the only reason he hasn’t been banned yet is because he’s too much damn fun.
And likely because American Sniper was a goddamn good movie, and I wish I’d have had a chance to shake Chief Kyle’s hand.
(To be said for being the biggest hippie pseudo-liberal douchebag, I neither can stand practically any of the liberal news outlets, and I enjoy opposing views because it gives me an opportunity to expand my horizons.)
Faster, I think the reason he hasn’t been banned is that Jonn’s a secret rap fan and this . . . fine individual is his favorite artist, 1-DMF.
“Each one of Chris Kyle’s victims has more decency in him than that imperialist Texas shithead.”
I thought at one time that CC might be a replacement for VWP as our resident idiot mascot. But after reading that line of CC’s, he is clearly unfit for the job. CC is truly a vile and loathsome thing.
Jonn is letting us have a chewtoy to play with. This guy is harmless-stupid as shit, but harmless.
“Komment was yoke, tovarish. Yoke!”
Somewhere, a village is missing its idiot.
If you mean a village on Mars, PN, you are more accurate than you know. But then you have to apologize to the villagers on Mars, because they probably sent the idiot away.
Somewhere, my dear, deluded, intolerant, finger-pointing intellectual “elitist” jackass, there is a tree.
This tree, has been undergoing photosynthesis since the day it sprouted, with one purpose: so that it might create oxygen for you to breathe. And somewhere, that tree likely thinks it is a force of good in the world.
I want you to go find this tree, give it a whole-hearted apology for wasting its time, and go and do something with that “elitism” that you clearly show in your post.
And for the record? I don’t live in the South, either.
As a retired Marine with a degree in history, and native to the great province of Alberta, and that considers all of you born south of Kalispell, Montana to be boorish southerners, especially the inbred rednecks from Vermont, I have to say that the above diatribe is stunning but tortuously beautiful in it’s epic failure to adhere to the historical record and concurrent ability to reveal the turgid nature of the soul of this little, little, ill-educated fool of a man-boy that has no accomplishment in this world greater than being the sperm who won.
Is that a “you’re welcome?”
That was my ode to chauvinist, son of the woman who didn’t swallow enough.
Wow. I never realized how bigoted we were in the south until you stereotyped all of us. Wait…that makes you a bigot if you do what yo claim we do. Pot…meet kettle.
Wait … isn’t Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont? You know, the Socialist Senator from Vermont?
And we know what fiscal conservatives Socialist’s are, right?
Do try to be a little more lucid next time. There’s a good lad …
The limousine liberals can now congratulate themselves for trashing an honorable, patriotic American.
I would compare Moore to pond scum, but that would be disrespectful to pond scum.
Haven’t seen it yet, but will at the soonest opportunity. I’m kicking myself for not having read the book yet.
As a general rule, the bigger the hissy fit by leftarded beta males, the more worthwhile whatever it is they’re whining about. The book was excellent, I can’t wait to see the movie and Chief Kyle was more of a man than they can hope to fantasize about being in this life and the next.
Or maybe Iraqis are actually human to some of us, so we don’t expect you Southerners to get it. You’re not good at getting this sort of thing. And because they’re human, Chris Kyle’s extremely low, hateful statements about the people he killed (who were only guilty of fighting invaders) are seriously unsettling to decent people..decent non-Southern people, since in the South you could in the past be “respectable” (doctor, lawyer, etc.) and still pose for lynching photos.
Hey give Chief Kyle some credit, he obviously thought they were worth shooting. You, on the other hand, I doubt he would even waste his time on. And I’m from New York by the way, dickwagon.
Jackpot, cc! You’ve managed to out smug even yourself with that one.
So how many of these Iraqis do you actually know? And did you happen to know any before it became fashionable in your little circle? You see, real people out here don’t wait for someone like you to tell us who our friends should be – we just develop deep friendships with all sorts of people for all kinds of reasons. And always have.
Your ignorance of the real world where sane people reside is showing again, cc. You might want to rethink that whole proudly bragging about your bigotry thing, and the public displays you seem compelled to keep making. They are in no way flattering. But then, you don’t seem to care.
Hey sissy, I mean cc, do you realize that the enemy combatants Chris Kyle dispatched would readily come here to the USA and kill anyone they pleased, Women and Children as well? They devote themselves to the verses in the koran that call for the wholesale slaughter of all nonbelievers of islam, but you refuse to let that and other facts enter your pointy little candyassed pampered glittery gargoyle gonad-sniffing toad snot-infested head!! But hey, I’ve onl done two tours of duty in the Middle East, WTF do I know?
Except that unlike us, the people that we fought against had no misgivings about targeting the local population for their attacks.
It is the reason why people who have been to Iraq to include myself are thankful for people like Chris Kyle that allowed us to perform our job and safely return home.
But I imagine that your just trolling for a knee jerk response. So I will end this here. That is unless you surprise me with a honest intent for a real conversation.
Or maybe, civviechubby, you’re just a whiny, sophomoric, pseudo-intellectual with pretensions to intellect that are supported by your disjointed rhetoric.
When you receive a rebuff, you run away. When your profoundly ignorant statements of fiction are rebutted, you don’t defend them, but instead, shift gears and try another tack.
This isn’t sailing with a crab-claw sheet on a pole, you imbecile. You have nothing to support anything you say, whereas anyone and everyone of us can and do have enough FACTUAL material to curb stomp your dickless efforts. You impress no one, but you sure do like to hear yourself rattle on.
You have no experience in anything more difficult than changing your underwear. Yet you denigrate people by lumping them into one false politic group. Yeah, politic – not political. You don’t know the difference, do you? No.
Well, I’m not from the South, nor am I a redneck or a cracker, so that rebuts your collective assesment of this group of people.
Your prejudice is showing brightly, practially glowing in the dark, you gleeking, braindeead, clutch-fisted blatherskite.
Pog mo thoin.
Every sad sack wants to pile on Kyle now that he’s gone. Screw them all.
I enjoyed the book, and suspect the movie is just as good.
Especially the families of the Iraqis he killed who wondered why he kept having to talk shit about them long after they were buried, dying for defending their soil against invaders.
Each one of Chris Kyle’s victims has more decency in him than that imperialist Texas shithead.
If you are armed and you intend to do harm and get shot in the face from 1,000 yards away, in a combat zone, you are not a victim. Talk about not getting it.
Even a justified killing has a “victim,” but every person Chris Kyle killed inside Iraq was murdered.
But I won’t plagiarize a Texas Libertarian I’ll just quote directly from something he (Joe Hornberger) wrote 2 years ago when Chris Kyle was killed.
http://fff.org/2013/02/05/guilt-not-ptsd-is-what-afflicts-iraq-war-veterans/
“Since the U.S. government was the aggressor in the war on Iraq, that means that no U.S. soldier had the moral authority to kill even one single Iraqi. Every single soldier who killed an Iraqi or who even participated in the enterprise was guilty of murder in a moral, religious, and spiritual sense.”
A justified killing has no victim, it has a target. Murder is the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought so you are wrong again.
Keep trying, maybe you’ll get one argument right. Asshole
Quoting someone else who doesn’t get it either just confirms you don’t get it. I’m getting the impression you’re not as bright as you’d like people to believe.
Except you ignore the main fighting between the religious groups such as the Sunni, Shiite and other minority’s. Also you do not consider the Foreign fighters that the population of Iraq turned on them.
Again which your thoughts and words do not hold any weight against him.
Going to see the movie this afternoon. Did not want to deal with the weekend crowd.
Moore? What a disgusting piece of crap. Hopefully he’ll take Bernasty’s offer for a free “aero-plane” ride.
I am happy for Kyle’s wife, who it appears will earn a well-deserved fortune from this film.
Personally, I am not too interested in seeing the movie after reading the book. I’m too emotionally spent on that subject … can’t believe the way his life ended … just an unbelievable life.
Agree 100%. People like Michael Moore do not deserve the likes of people like Chris Kyle.
If anything, this shows the vapidity and stupidity of the Left.
If they had an ounce of brain and actually saw the movie, they could easily have praised the movie to suit their views.
The left acting all leftie? Color me shocked. 😉
Meanwhile, no one is forcing anyone into theaters to see this movie. Wonder if they will be taking school children to see it, since going to the movies is in the curriculum of something or another these days.
Poor lefties. Every time they have an opportunity to look at reality they get a little loonier. Bless their little hearts.
I haven’t yet had the chance to read the book, and nor have I seen the movie, but I have no doubts that Mr. Kyle was an incredibly capable, valiant and loyal soldier (in the same way Jonn used the term). His post-service work with veterans was also unquestionably admirable. And while he and I would most certainly have disagreed on countless things, I’d have bought him a beer and sat down to listen to him without a moment’s hesitation.
That said, I’d be very curious to hear the TAH take on his seemingly made-up stories of firing on looters in the aftermath of Katrina, or the two robbers he claimed he killed in Texas, both of which have no real evidence to support them.
I imagine I’ll take some heat for asking about that, but I’m asking because to me it seems that the people who want to call him a hero do it based on his career, and the people who ‘squirm’ (to use Jonn’s word) do so because stories like these reflect an embellishment of the truth, and that’s not generally something we associate with heroes. These two perspectives aren’t mutually exclusive, they’re just looking at different aspects of the man.
At any rate, given that this website takes politicians and posers to task for their lies, and even does the same for actual veterans with otherwise admirable careers for embellishing their exploits, where do these stories fall?
Again, I realize that may be an impolite question around here, but I’d genuinely like to hear a conservative’s opinion on his seemingly embellished tales.
Well, LC, I have no idea what you are talking about, so I can’t help any.
Since you admit that your questions are coming from neither the book nor the movie, where do your questions originate? You aren’t seriously asking any sane person to respond to a query that looks like something you just made up to cause trouble, right?
In other words, whatever explanation you want to manufacture should suit your purpose better than expecting others to first decipher your questions, then speak for someone who is now dead.
You do understand that Kyle is dead, right? He can’t defend himself, and I personally haven’t seen anything yet that needs defending on his behalf.
My apologies; I had thought the stories were widely known. Here’s one link, and I can find others if you wish:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/
My questions are coming from discussions I’ve had over the past few days with friends about their feelings on the movie. Some had seen it, some hadn’t. I, as I’ve said, have not, and while I own the book, I haven’t yet had a chance to read it.
Like I said, there wasn’t a delicate way to ask about these sorts of things. I have nothing against Mr. Kyle, and stand in firm admiration of the service he provided both on the battlefield and, even more so, off of it. But people are rarely heavenly incarnations of all that is good, and his (apparent) tall-tales are something seized upon as diminishing of his legacy. Since they’re seized upon solely by the liberal side of the fence, I only hear about that perspective on them. I, being somewhat mid-ground in terms of my politics, was hoping to hear a conservative viewpoint on them, so that I could better understand and debate the issue with friends.
I’m well aware that Mr. Kyle is regretfully no longer with us and I was completely honest in my sentiment that if he were here, and I ran across him, I’d gladly buy him a beer and chat for a while. My perspective isn’t the same as most on this board, but I’ve never been one to troll or toss insults at people, be they alive or dead.
Then I will simply suggest that if you want to discuss the book or the movie that you come back here to do so after you have read it and/or seen it. Others are welcome to discuss the rest of your issues, but as I said above, I have not seen anything which warrants discussion. If you and your friends want to go there, that’s your business.
Kyle’s stories remind me of when I returned from Nam. Have some young person in front of me wanting to know to what it was like to kill someone? This person would not take “no for a answer”. So I would makeup a totally BS story that any Vet would throw the BS flag on me 3 sentences into the story. Then their were the ones who would only accept their idea of what it feel like or mean to me.This is what these stories sound like to me. YMMV Joe
I appreciate the honest response given how sensitive this topic is. I’ve seen what you describe happen more than enough, though in this case I believe the story was told to a bunch of fellow SEALs – some additional information, if you’re interested, can be found here:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/06/03/in-the-crosshairs
I’ll state yet again that I don’t feel this detracts from all the amazing things he had done, but I don’t need nor expect people to be perfect to warrant some respect.
Thanks again for your perspective.
Per that New Yorker article you cited, there was A LOT of heavy drinking going on by Kyle and the others with him, presumably SEALs as the article implies. “Afterward, a larger group went out for dinner, closed the hotel bar, and hung out in Kyle’s suite, drinking until late.” But then, “the third said that she couldn’t recall specific details.” There’s no female SEALs.
So out of the “large group” of unknown SEAL composition, 3 people recall the “story”, 2 of them disagree as to what was said, and the third one does not recall the details.
But hey, it’s in the New Yorker.
And another thing LC. Per your cited article, the claims of sniping off the top of the Superdome were made in a private setting among drinks and friends who were telling stories, and as the article might imply, there might have been some “one-upping” going on. Search this site and see how many claims of “space shuttle door gunner” there are here on this site made by regular contributors.
If I had $50, I would wager Chris Kyle’s story started off with , “Well no shit, there I was …”
As far as a SEAL post-Katrina presence… it happened, although via the private sector, not via the DOD. http://www.tridentresponse.com/about-us.html
http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-ceo/2008/november/you-need-to-know-clint-bruce
Well, I was alive when Hurricane Katrina ripped through the South. There was plenty of live video, plus the recorded stuff repeating the live shots.
In New Orleans, there were videos of looters shooting at helicopters overhead. At some point, I believe a few LEOs started shooting back, but it’s been a while.
There were never any reports coming out of Texas about looters being shot during Katrina.
Most of what you are referring to, LC, is gossip in the ‘I heard that the, uh, he said, she said’ form. It only takes one person to start it, and it just goes from there.
I attribute those anecdotes coming out to liberal smear tactics now that Kyle can’t defend himself. Notice the WAPO article goes on and on about the looney Janos?
Kyle served four tours in Iraq, and was awarded two Silver Star and five Bronze Star Medals. He was murdered while trying to assist another Veteran. As far as I’m concerned, some anecdotes published after his death in liberal media does not tarnish his service, character, or honer one iota. If your friends feel otherwise, I’d get new friends.
I wholeheartedly believe these anecdotes are being amplified by liberal types right now, but their origin, as I posted above, seems to be from various sources, including conversations with other SEALs.
I agree that the anecdotes don’t tarnish his service or honor, though I’m more on the fence when it comes to ‘character’ – which isn’t to say I think he’s lacking in that regard, but rather that character is a complex thing. If these were just two or three instances of harmless bravado then it means nothing. If these sorts of things were a constant, that’s another story.
For my part, I have no major issues with these stories because his accomplishments are well-documented and, in my opinion, dwarf a few anecdotes. But ignoring them -instead of acknowledging them and accepting he wasn’t perfect but was still a damn fine soldier-seems to be part of the problem from the liberal side of the fence.
In other words, the problem my liberal friends have isn’t with acknowledging the man served admirably, it’s with accepting the perfect image being portrayed in light of these types of stories.
At any rate, thank you for your thoughts.
Don’t know about the Katrina thing, but the in the account I’ve read of the gas station robbery incident, Kyle clearly stated that the shooter was somebody he knew, and that Kyle himself wasn’t present. Since he didn’t give the name of the person involved or the date of the incident (likely because that individual preferred to avoid the proverbial spotlight) and was pretty vague as to the location other than “in Texas” (it was a brief anecdote), it’s hard to look up details, as several incidents fitting his description have happened in Texas in the last 10-15 years. Somewhere along the line, somebody got the idea that Kyle was claiming to have done it himself, that meme grew legs, and naysayers bit down on it and refused to let go.
Most of what I’ve found on that subject has been various hippies, tinfoil-hatters, and other asswipes shitbagging him without substantiation, saying that he claimed to have shot a bunch of guys and the sheriff didn’t care, etc. The only source material I was ever able to find had Chief Kyle saying nothing of the kind, and making it clear that he wasn’t the guy involved. But some people will never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of their axe to grind, I guess.
Here’s a source that cites Marcus Luttrell’s book, giving page numbers, that says that it was Mr. Kyle himself:
http://blogs.star-telegram.com/crime_time/2013/02/did-slain-american-sniper-fatally-shoot-two-armed-robbers-in-2009.html
And sure, these stories are definitely getting more press now because liberals are trying to take things down a notch. And ultimately I feel they don’t matter much. So a guy who served admirably and died serving his community embellished a little bit? The trouble comes when these minor imperfections are dismissed or ignored because then you have two sides talking about two different parts of the same person, rather than two sides talking about a whole person.
Well after reading the link you provided, the first thing that jumps to mind is ‘bull’. The link you provided offers an excerpt from Luttrell’s book without the surrounding context. The excerpt could easily have been preceded by the phrase;
“In one of the more fantastic stories being circulated, two would be strong arm men are taken down by Kyle in less than 10 seconds.”
Nothing in the excerpt offers any indication of the story’s truthfulness, no indication of Kyle’s complicity in the story’s spread, and no opinion on Luttrell’s part. Without having read the book it’s impossible to say one way or the other.
Much squawking about nothing.
“That said, I’d be very curious to hear the TAH take on his seemingly made-up stories of firing on looters in the aftermath of Katrina, or the two robbers he claimed he killed in Texas, both of which have no real evidence to support them.”
Okay, but first I would like to hear whether your necrophilia is dormant, although there is no evidence to support that you ever engaged in necrophilia. Fair enough, isn’t it?
I read the book and saw the movie and there was nothing about sniping is the aftermath of Katrina or killing robbers in Texas in either.
Agreed, it wasn’t in the book nor the movie from what I hear. But in the dialogue about both, other anecdotes from his life are also being discussed.
The lefties always blather that it is their high minded principles that keep them from serving and not cowardice. Any of you remember best-selling novelist, Pat Conroy, (The Great Santini) a Vietnam war protester back in the day? A few years ago, in a little read essay, he finally owned up to the fact that it was nothing more than cowardice that caused him to be so high-minded when the fit was hitting the shan.
Further, Conroy speculated that he was far from alone although his fellow cowards would never admit it. Wouldn’t do to have all their liberal kiddies learning that daddy was an unprincipled chickenshit.
Let me tell you what pure cowardince is.
I did medical photography before I went into the Navy. One of the doctors in Pathology, whose specialty was cytopathology (think: cancer) received his draft notice. He just assumed that it meant he would be sent off to Vietnam to shoot people or get shot and killed himself, when in fact, it’s much more likely he’d have ended up at Walter Reed Hospital in DC or some other such facility, maybe at Mannheim in Germany.
Instead of investigating the issue, he sold off all of his possessions and ran off to Canada. This was not because he was under any actual threat of death by combat, but because he was an ignorant asshole.
His name was William Survis. If anyone ever runs into him, tell him I still think he’s a mordant, self-serving asshole,k and all those landscape negatives he gave my mother to look after are mine. If he wants them back, he’ll have to pay me for them.
And he can f**cking stay in Canada.
A real story about a Real Man and a Warrior, no wonder the metrosexual leftist beta-males are pissing in their spandex and mom jeans over it!
Everyone’s favorite lunatic is at it again on Disqus, here’s where I threw a dart or two at him on a thread about another Hollywierd wuss!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/01/18/seth-rogen-american-sniper-is-equivalent-to-nazism/#comment-1802980549
Bernasty can suck a cock in hell.
Only after said dick has plowed DullASS and Psulie-boi repeatedly.
And no cleaning it off first, Dan. You wanted to be the pivot boy of the Dutch Rudder Human Centipede, by God, it’s all you.
The quote(s) from Mills have long been among those I find solace in.
After losing my Dad, KIA, in Korea and being spit at and called “Baby Killer” myself. I was earnestly soured on the Michael Moore types and that whole lot.
Then one quote from Col. Grossman turned my outrage into a sort of pity. It highlights mightily the irony we face.
“Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin’s egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.”
Haven’t seen the movie yet nor read the book, but everything I’ve read ABOUT Kyle suggests that he Got IT!
Love that Mills quote.
Just goes to show that even though they attempt their hardest the libtard elites of entertainment are completely out of sync with most of America.
I’m sure there are many with Moore’s feelings in Hollywood but are smart enough to keep the comments to their inner circles. It is nice when they can’t resist and show their true character though.
Ignorant lefties truly don’t understand the military – of any branch. How is a sniper different than:
– a squad sent to flank the enemy position, surprises the enemy, and shoots them?
– a pilot who drops a stick of bombs (OK, I’m old, I know it’s GPS now) on a position deep in the enemy rear, in the dark, when the enemy is asleep and thinks they are safe?
– an artillery unit unloading a whole heap of MLRS on the enemy units, again in total surprise?
– a fighter pilot who spots the enemy aircraft tootling along, fat and dumb, and dispatches them?
– and of course, the drone driver plinking at trucks with missiles?
What do the leftists think, that we announce our presence and count to ten before shooting?
Imagine how much shit I take even from “friendly” types, being a submariner.
Remember, we’re sneaky, ungentlemanly, etc.
Chief Kyle reminds us all that war is a nasty, dirty, violent undertaking that is not for the civilized, nor should they sit in comfort and dictate how it should be fought, lest it come to their doorstep.
I think that Mr. Eastwood (himself a veteran) knows that as well as anyone. As to the comment earlier that this was ultimately portrayed as an anti-war film, to you I ask, is there any veteran who has been to war that is PRO-war?
I know I’m not, but I also know that once engaged, you are in it until you win, else you don’t get engaged in the first place.
That’s something far too many of our political elites have forgotten, or never knew in the first place.
We’ll said.
You have my respect as a submariner. I was never in the Navy but did get to tour the U505 at the museum of Science and Industry in Chicago and the Razorback in Littlerock AR. Anyone that could live like the men that were on those two boats deserves to be in a class all their own.
P.S. F$@& Michelle Moore. (S)He should be getting an invitation to dine at the White House at any time now.
Damn autocorrect that was supposed to be ” well ” said not we’ll.
“is there any veteran who has been to war that is PRO-war?”
That’s got to be the quote of the day.
I remember, many years ago, saying exactly the same thing to a stunning red-head, who was very liberal. When I finished talking, she didn’t know what to say for a bit, but looked at like I’d just grown two three-foot horns and appeared to be dressed in the dead-black armor of Mordor.
It just doesn’t seem to compute. More’s the pity …
Have not seen the movie yet, but if Moore and Rogen (two of the least-talented folks in Hollywood) are agin’ it, I may have to watch it twice.
Michael More only proves Col Grossmans point more.
The sheep don’t like the sheepdog because he has sharp teeth like the wolf. Stupid sheep don’t know the difference.
I see Paul Rieckoff had to throw his two cents in(about halfway down the article). http://www.thewrap.com/american-sniper-complaints-grow-in-hollywood-should-clint-eastwood-be-celebrating-a-killer/
Steve Pond is a milquetoast little bitch and Rieckoff probably made him wet his pants.
Also note again how many of the “critics” have yet to see the movie.
Fuck ’em all.
There is a growing backlash from the public about Moore’s uncalled-for remarks about ‘American Sniper’.
Sergeant Alvin York was not recognized for pacifism but for killing the German in WW I. Later, then-LT Audie Murphy was not celebrated for his boyish good looks but for killing the German in WW II. I don’t understand what the Left’s issue is. Is it that, unlike a bombing or rocket attack, the exact number of enemy dispatched by a sniper can be known exactly? Is is that there is no collateral damage done by a sniper so there is less for the Left to rail against? A little help here, please. I don’t get the Left’s beef.
Look at the political party of each of those presidents during those wars. Even now they have no problems with drones – well since 2009.
It’s kinda funny how many movies that Hollywood makes where the “hero” is the one with the highest body count. But when that same hero is an actual person, suddenly that is “bad”. Could it be because these “actors” and their followers are jealous of those who accomplish more in real life than they can in their fake lives?
Screw them all, but thank you to them as well for bringing more attention to an outstanding story thus ensuring more people will see the movie and buy the book.
I just got home from seeing “American Sniper”, DAMN good movie and yes, very intense!!
Chris Kyle was a Real man, a Warrior, and a REAL US NAVY CPO.
In case there is any doubt about how unhinged lefties are, just read a blurb about their objection to the use of a fake baby in the movie. It’s all so very confusing – they would rather a real, live, human newborn be on a movie set, with all those nasty guns and stuff?
Maybe we should make a movie about the loonie leftie reaction to this movie. It certainly would be comical.
In general American liberals are subdued pussies by Western liberal standards, and when it comes to the military it turns into downright sycophancy. The Democrats are always trying to out-military-worship Republicans, which usually looks as pathetic as the occasional instances of Republicans trying to out-white-guilt Democrats.
So yes, I’m not surprised they’re finding frivolities to complain about regarding American Sniper, since unlike their colleagues in the Guardian (UK) American “liberal” reporters must still toe the neocon line when it comes to Israel and bombing the countries it wants us to.
Oh look! Fuckstick’s back to enlighten us all about how much smarter and holier he/she/it is than we are!
The real problem faced by slugs like Seth Rogen and Michael Moore has less to do with their distinct resemblance to land whales than it does with the difference between alphas and omegas. No insult to whales intended. We are predators. If you know anything about predators, you also know that the tribe or clan or pack has an alpha male/female as well as the omega, and those two fat blobs and others like them, are really at the bottom of the omega line. The alpha isn’t just the leader of the clan/tribe/pack, he or she is also the more physically and sexually attractive and more likely to get food and sex partners than the omegas. This applies to all primates, as Jane Goodall found to her horror when she witnessed warfare and cannibalism in the chimpanzees she studied. Not one bit peaceful and sweet, but aggressively active predators who killed and ate their enemies. It isn’t just primates, either. It is the entire animal kingdom: the one that gets the prey or chases off the competitor for space or sex partners is the winner. Crows do this all the time. If you piss them off, they’ll drop rocks on you. Hell, even male turkeys can kill a human being in the breeding season if they think he’s a rival for females. There are videos on the internet of male elephants sitting on cars because they’re in ‘must’, the breeding frenzy, and they can’t find a date. Wild horses beat the living crap out of each other for breeding rights. Bighorn sheep engage in head-butting contests. You should see the battles between male lobsters over females. This isn’t something new or strange. It’s the real world. It’s our genetic makeup. There are alphas like Chief Kyle and/or a large selection of other alphas, with a close-behind following of betas, while the omegas are hunkered down at the end of the line for food and sex. And when the alpha is dead, the omega actually stands a chance of getting sex and food a little bit sooner, so dissing a ‘competitor’… Read more »
Michael Moore looks like the slovenly type one would expect to see behind the cash register of some ” Stop & Rob” convenience store waiting to pig out on stale nachos as soon as they’ve been displayed too long!
He could also be a Walmartian.
Ex,
When you say Walmartian, I hope that you are talking about the portion of the customer base that has absolutely no self respect, manners, or decency when they walk into the store.
I have 3 wake ups left and I will start my terminal leave after a 24 year career with a medical retirement, and I will be returning to my job at Wal Mart.
Yes, Jon, that is the species I was thinking of.
I only see them in pictures, never at my Walmart, so I’m not sure that they really exist.
“We are predators” “tribe or clan or pack” “It isn’t just primates, either. It is the entire animal kingdom”
Spoken like a true military savage.
Without us thinking, working, and PRODUCTIVE civilians you professional destroyers, mercenaries, and vultures of Third World villagers would be unable to obtain your adrenaline fix with your own financial resources.
Your egos are vastly inflated considering that you’re the j*zz-moppers for the NWO, and the fact that you old your nose so high above the non-red-handed citizens is offensively hilarious.
Who are you the j*zz-mopper for?
I know it would be too much to ask, but, since you are benefitting fromt he blanket of protection and freedom provided by us “military savages”; could you just say thank you and STFU?
The same simplistic logic that allows soldier-worship also allows the easy demonization of the profession. Soldiers defend your life & property (not freedom, that follows after) in *theory*, just like lawyers represent justice in *theory*.
In reality, that Constitution you treat as your magic protective power is ineffective without a lawyer to argue it in court, but it’s hardly a reason to put all lawyers on a pedestal or even resist the impression that most are probably unpleasant.
The more soldiers become an identifiable class in society, like a community or ethnic group, the more you’ll see wild fluctuations between troop-hatred and troop-worship instead of the normal pre-WW2 emotionally stable relationship between the American civilian & soldier.
Old Trooper, don’t waste the time.
I for one am tired of the excuse we give about defending thier right to free speech, thier right to be stupid, or whatever else they decide to do and say.
I for one did not stand up and offer my life for that. My brothers and sisters didn’t. while those rights do exist they are taken in the extreme and not only ignore but belittle the sacrifice made for them. All the while allowing us to the “bigger man/women” and even giving ammunition against us as being arrogant.
Fuck that. I’m tired of taking the slings and arrows.
I defended the rights of responsible citizens. Not jackasses who like to provoke, insult, and belittle everytyhing and everyone that doesn’t confirm to thier ridiculous ideas of how things should be. They are children. With little understanding of what thier natural rights are and how they derived let alone how they are protected.
Ignore them. They are blips and will eventually fade. What Chris Kyle left is a legacy that will ring forever. Not only for his military accomplishments but for what he did after to help others.
moore and rogen both will be only remembered as a joke. Someone laughed at.
You’re wrong. The hatred for soldiers like Chris Kyle, and the Collateral Murder soldiers, and the ones who got away with all of those unprovoked massacres we know all too well, is real and the impact on the image of the US military will not dissipate just because Robert Bales is finally punished. There are dozens if not hundreds of cases like him where they walked.
The reputation of the US military for lawlessness and never-enforced rules of engagement is here to stay for decades.
The military itself is aware of this image problem. “The Army says it hopes the (Bales) trial will help correct any impression that it tolerates criminal behavior.”
The “collateral murder” story was promoted by one guy whose fellow Soldiers were calling him a self-promoting, buddy-fucking asshole long before the incident ever took place. Doc Bailey AKA Mad Medic, who knows him personally, wrote some particularly-scathing indictments of the guy. His account was contradicted by every other Soldier present (or even in the general vicinity), by many Iraqi civilians, and by forensic evidence and radio logs (nobody ever ordered “death blossom,” “rotational fire,” or any of that crap).
Of course Al Jazeera ran with it. You don’t think they have an agenda? Of course they found Iraqi civilian “eyewitnesses” to support the story, whose claims failed to hold up under scrutiny, and some of whom even admitted that they were paid to lie to support their story. There’s a reason why the international media (that doesn’t like America) doesn’t talk about it so much anymore. A carefully-crafted lie in a “he said/she said” incident is one thing. A blatant falsehood that falls apart under even casual scrutiny is quite another.
Nice try, though.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/may/21/iraq.rorymccarthy
‘US soldiers started to shoot us, one by one’
Survivors describe wedding massacre as generals refuse to apologise
“We went out of the house and the American soldiers started to shoot us. They were shooting low on the ground and targeting us one by one,” she said. She ran with her youngest child in her arms and her two young boys, Ali and Hamza, close behind. As she crossed the fields a shell exploded close to her, fracturing her legs and knocking her to the ground.
She lay there and a second round hit her on the right arm. By then her two boys lay dead. “I left them because they were dead,” she said. One, she saw, had been decapitated by a shell.
“I fell into the mud and an American soldier came and kicked me. I pretended to be dead so he wouldn’t kill me. My youngest child was alive next to me.”
Mrs Shibab’s description, backed by other witnesses, of an attack on a sleeping village is at odds with the American claim that they came under fire while targeting a suspected foreign fighter safe house.
Major General James Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Division, was scathing of those who suggested a wedding party had been hit. “How many people go to the middle of the desert … to hold a wedding 80 miles (130km) from the nearest civilisation? These were more than two dozen military-age males. Let’s not be naive.”
When reporters asked him about footage on Arabic television of a child’s body being lowered into a grave, he replied: “I have not seen the pictures but bad things happen in wars. I don’t have to apologise for the conduct of my men.”
The celebration at Mukaradeeb was to be one of the biggest events of the year for a small village of just 25 houses. Haji Rakat, the father, had finally arranged a long-negotiated tribal union that would bring together two halves of one large extended family, the Rakats and the Sabahs.
If you went to fight in Iraq then you went to fight not for America but only a region of it, namely the South. Every other well-populated part of the US was against the Iraq War from the start, early enough to vote against Bush in 2004 before things even got really bad.
Southerners wanted to kill random Arabs to extinguish the fire of rage and injured racial pride inside them from 9/11 and bombing Saudi Arabia after decades of solid diplomatic alliance is politically harder than bombing the country we were already bombing for every week since 1991. And as far as I know, they still appreciate you and what you did. The part of the country that you complain is too “meh” about your military resume were not that crazy about the war as you were heading to it.
Funny, but it seems most of the two houses of Congress from “your” part of the country (not the south) voted for the US military action based on intel gathered almost exclusively during the time of the Clinton presidency. Take your revisionist history and stick it in your happy fun time hole.
And where do you get your talking points from, my little mucous-headed, glittery gargoyle gonad-sniffing glitter-farting creampuff of a Sparkle Pony? DU and Huffy-Poo look like a sure bet, o little unicorn-lusting Smurf-hugger!
Why do you assume I go to these “community” websites for political views? I read the news & editorials and that’s it–these online emotional circle jerks are not for me. If I communicate with anyone online about politics it better be argument/debate my self-esteem doesn’t require “getting together” with politically “like-minded” people.
Glenn Greenwald I like. Huff-Po & Daily Kos etc. are too faithfully pro-Democrat.
He (and I) probably assume these things because you sound remarkably similar to some of the commentors on the DU, or commentators on MSNBC. And you talk about self-esteem, yet the only thing you threw up was a “quote” from the Guardian. A site some might consider has just a touch of bias in their reporting. Everything you speak of seems to be gleened from information in the news media. I based mine on first hand knowledge. I cannot count the number of times I watched the news on satellite television in the chow hall in Fallujah and watched stories filed by correspondants in Fallujah that I knew for a fact were complete crap. Or filed based on second hand information by said correspondants that we knew for a fact had not been outside the FOB. And yet people from “your” part of the country laugh at us for “FAUX” news. You should go thump your big boy chest somewhere else. Nobody here is impressed.
Savages and yet when there’s a humanitarian mission to be accomplished, it’s accomplished by the military.
When someone makes a video game based on Operation Pacangel, Christmas Drop, Ebola Response, etc maybe then you’ll see how the US Military operates.
Wonderful things but a drop in the bucket in terms of what the US military does. The vast majority of the budget goes into wars of aggression that are fought with a particularly destructive and hateful attitude. That’s why the Gulf War involved bombing over 93% of Iraq’s installed power generation capacity, in addition to most of the country’s dams, water plants, sewage treatment facilities and factories. The death and devastation in the ensuing years caused hundreds of thousands of children of die of diseases that have not been seen outside sub-Saharan Africa for decades.
After a decade of genocidal sanctions and weekly bombing campaigns with depleted uranium, the deliberate devastation of Iraqi society resumed in earnest in 2003 and the Christian population has completely fled. Birth defects in Fallujah continue to this day due to the use of banned weapons by US forces.
I want what you’re smoking.
How long do you guys think it takes before he starts mentioning how the governemnt dropped the twin towers, blew up the pentagon on thier own…and faked the lunar landings?
He talks like the kind of critter that believes the Lunar landings were faked and “Pro-Wrassling” is real!
You sure seem to know a lot about a part of the world you’ve never been in. Of course, the men on this site, who spent YEARS over there, aren’t any kind of source material for you, are they? And what exactly would you know about DU rounds? Ever seen one, built one, handled one, fired one? Of course not.
Why are you even here? You don’t think we haven’t seen every one of your brainless talking points on HuffPo, and every other major progressive rag in existence? Well Spanky, let me give you a true, Southern-style blessing: I wish on you every end result you can suffer through your own irrational stupidity, and may everyone who would save you be far enough away so they don’t have to listen to you scream.
We’re not a source for him because our experiences refute everything he was told to believe about the military. I’m guessing he’s in the middle of an existential crisis and needs some kind of validation, which he will not find here. CC, have you checked in with the DUmpster? It’s a good echo chamber for lunatics like you, you’ll fit right in.
He’s welcome to try 911. It’s my day off.
Hey!! Who forgot to flush? There’s a big turd in here…
See below.
Productive are ya?
Just what are you productive at? Do you even have a job?
I stand corrected…what he’s smoking…I want it.
I wonder how long it takes him to bring up how the governement crashed the twin towers, blew up the pentagon on thier own, and faked the Lunar landings.
Evasion noted.
You’re getting pretty good at that CC.
Do you recycle the tin foil that goes into your hat?
Is the video of Kyle’s funeral still online somewhere? Those people had pretty strong words about Kyle. I am out of the country with low bandwidth. If someone could find those and post a link, those speeches provide another perspective. There is one speaker in particular. You will know him when you see him. Taya also speaks. Worth your time.
Its easy to show balls Just run towards the gun fire. Not that hard to do.
I’m late to the party. Michael Moore? F*ck that guy.
Google “Milton Friedman schools a young Michael Moore”. Enjoy. Share. Made back in his younger but just as stupid as now days. Might have been a pound or two lighter in those days. Still a smarmy asshat just like now.
I do agree Michael Moore sucks. A very bad imitation of Howard Zinn, who was a bombardier in WW2 so at least you can’t bring up his professorship as a sign of Ivory Tower cluelessness.
Unlike the low IQ neocon anti-Moore documentaries there’s actually a very good one out of Canada called Manufacturing Dissent that really makes him look pretty bad. One line about Moore stuck in my head: “If there were a vibrant left in the United States his milquetoast radicalism would be laughed at rather than laughed with.”
Trying to suck up does not work for you. Give it up, doofus.
Oh, hey! CivvieChode is back scratching in the dirt to find bugs to pick at. How unfortunate that he’s such a poor student of history, to wit: ‘The more soldiers become an identifiable class in society, like a community or ethnic group, the more you’ll see wild fluctuations between troop-hatred and troop-worship instead of the normal pre-WW2 emotionally stable relationship between the American civilian & soldier.’ Well, the MILITARY as a class has always been a part of the human meme, whether it was tribal/clan hunting and disputes over food, game, territory and breeding rights as in the earliest known artwork devoted to human activity, e.g., those cave paintings at Lascaux and Altamira, or somewhat later, paleolithic burial sites filled with the bones of the dead, arranged in patterns. Need I bring up that lovely handworked silver cauldron found at Gundestrup, which clearly shows humans and death rituals? Or the discovery of Ilium, aka Troy, which was sacked and burned at least SEVEN times, well before the Roman republic came into existence? The stories go so far back into history that Gilgmesh and Native American creation events are almost identical and appear to occur at the same time. As Tolkien told us in the 1960s, history becomes legend and legend becomes myth, you see, because that is also a huge part of the human condition. The military has ALWAYS been a specific and special class. In Babylonia, Sparta, even Athens, in what is now Macedonia, northward into Siberia, eastward into China, all across the Americas, into the entire subcontinent of Asia Minor and the continent of Asia proper, throughout the Middle East, the evidence is everywhere. Warfare and humans have been intertwined and partnered with each other, whether Civiechubster likes it or not. It is WHO and WHAT we are. Whether an invasion occurred under the orders of Xerxes the God-King or Gaius Iulius Caesar, repelled through the direction of a MERE WOMAN named Boadicca, or defeated by a Hunkpapa Lakota chief named Sitting Bull, a ‘mere primitive’ who was smart enough to study the tactics of his opponents and… Read more »
Christ in Heaven, Ex-PH2, I don’t think you _left_ anything for anyone else to take a turn on. I’d never seen a person take a verbal lashing quite like that before coming to this site.
I do what I can, FTF.
Here you go. I pulled the Mastermind’s comments and put them here for one-stop shopping. I didn’t read them, but I did catch a word or two, notably the British spelling of a few words. In general American liberals are subdued pussies by Western liberal standards, and when it comes to the military it turns into downright sycophancy. The Democrats are always trying to out-military-worship Republicans, which usually looks as pathetic as the occasional instances of Republicans trying to out-white-guilt Democrats. So yes, I’m not surprised they’re finding frivolities to complain about regarding American Sniper, since unlike their colleagues in the Guardian (UK) American “liberal” reporters must still toe the neocon line when it comes to Israel and bombing the countries it wants us to.“We are predators” “tribe or clan or pack” “It isn’t just primates, either. It is the entire animal kingdom”Spoken like a true military savage.Without us thinking, working, and PRODUCTIVE civilians you professional destroyers, mercenaries, and vultures of Third World villagers would be unable to obtain your adrenaline fix with your own financial resources.Your egos are vastly inflated considering that you’re the j*zz-moppers for the NWO, and the fact that you old your nose so high above the non-red-handed citizens is offensively hilarious.The same simplistic logic that allows soldier-worship also allows the easy demonization of the profession. Soldiers defend your life & property (not freedom, that follows after) in *theory*, just like lawyers represent justice in *theory*.In reality, that Constitution you treat as your magic protective power is ineffective without a lawyer to argue it in court, but it’s hardly a reason to put all lawyers on a pedestal or even resist the impression that most are probably unpleasant.The more soldiers become an identifiable class in society, like a community or ethnic group, the more you’ll see wild fluctuations between troop-hatred and troop-worship instead of the normal pre-WW2 emotionally stable relationship between the American civilian & soldier.You’re wrong. The hatred for soldiers like Chris Kyle, and the Collateral Murder soldiers, and the ones who got away with all of those unprovoked massacres we know all too well,… Read more »
Men in military uniforms have more sex appeal to women than men not in military uniform.
Men in conservative suits appear to be more intelligent than men not in conservative suits.
Men in tight jeans appear to have a bigger package than men not in tight jeans.
Men who handle weapons with skill are more likely to be good hunters, therefore, good providers, than men who do not do that.
Women like men who exude a sense of self, as opposed to men who are slovenly in appearance and smell like a mix of patchouli and ass*.
*When going commando in a war zone, everyone smells like ass.
Whoopi speaks….
https://tv.yahoo.com/news/view-whoopi-goldberg-slams-seth-rogen-michael-moore-182925331.html
The opening box office total for this film is $107+ million.
Take that, Janos. Ya ding-dong …