Big Army sends out a message about revoking awards

| January 19, 2015

The Army Times reports that Big Army Human Resources sent out a message the other day reminding commanders that they can revoke your awards. It’s nothing new – we’ve seen phonies who didn’t even get National Defense Service Medals after their poor record of service. Army Regulation (AR) 600-8-22 lays out the guidelines for commanders;

1–30. Revocation of personal decorations and suspension of authority to wear a. Once an award has been presented, it may be revoked by the awarding authority if facts subsequently determined would have prevented original approval of the award had they been known at the time. Presentation of a decoration is the physical act of pinning or clipping the medal on a Soldier’s chest or handing the Soldier the medal, certificate or orders. Failure to be reassigned or separated as originally scheduled does not constitute grounds for revocation of an award which has been presented. The decision to revoke an award may not be delegated by the awarding authority. In making the decision, the awarding authority will consider a statement of concurrence or non-concurrence (with comments) from the individual concerned. Upon revocation, the affected individual will be informed that he or she may appeal the revocation action through command channels to Commander, USAHRC, AHRC–PDO–PA, Alexandria, VA 22332–0471, for final review. When desirable, the awarding authority may refer the revocation request to Commander, USAHRC, AHRC–PDO–PA, Alexandria, VA 22332–0471, for appropriate action
b. When the Bronze Star Medal has been awarded to an individual based upon award of the Combat Infantryman Badge during World War II, revocation of the Combat Infantryman Badge will result in revocation of the Bronze Star Medal. Revocation will be announced in permanent orders of local commanders citing this paragraph as authority.
c. The authority to wear an award may be suspended by the award approval authority or higher authority. An award will be suspended when an investigation has been initiated by proper authority to determine the validity of the award.
The authority directing the suspension will notify, in writing, the individual concerned and the Commander, USAHRC, AHRC–PDO–PA, Alexandria, VA 22332–0471, by the most expeditious means possible when suspension is initiated, and when it is terminated, and the reason(s) for termination. Refer to AR 670–1 for wear prohibitions.
1–31. Revocation of badges, Ranger Tab, Special Forces Tab, and Sapper Tab
a. Commanders authorized to award combat and special skill badges are authorized to revoke such awards. An award, once revoked, will not be reinstated except by USAHRC, AHRC–PDO–PA, Alexandria, VA 22332–0471, when fully justified. When desirable, the awarding authority may refer the revocation request to USAHRC, AHRC–PDO–PA,
Alexandria, VA 22332–0471, for appropriate action.
b. Revocation of awards of badges will be announced in permanent orders, except that revocations which are automatically effected, as prescribed in this regulation, need not be announced in orders; see paragraphs c(1) through (9), below.
c. Award of badges may be revoked under any of the following conditions:
(1) An award of any combat and special skill badge will be automatically revoked on dismissal, dishonorable discharge, or conviction by courts-martial for desertion in wartime. Wartime is defined in the glossary.
(2) Parachutist Badge. Any Parachutist badge may be revoked when the awardee—
(a) Is punished under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) for refusal to participate in a parachute jump.
(b) Initiates action which results in termination of airborne status or withdrawal of any Career Management Field (CMF) 18 military occupational specialty (MOS), 180A or specialty skill identifier (SSI) 18A before he or she completes 36 cumulative months of airborne duty. Any parachutist badge with bronze star for a combat jump will be retained regardless of time on airborne status. Any parachutist badge will be retained if the Soldier is unable to complete 36 cumulative months of airborne duty through no fault of his or her own, for example, injury or reassignment under favorable conditions.
(3) Parachute Rigger Badge. The Parachute Rigger Badge may be revoked when the awardee—
(a) Has his or her Parachutist Badge revoked.
(b) Refuses an order to make a parachute jump with a parachute they packed.
(c) Initiates action which results in withdrawal of MOS 92R, 401A, or SSI 92D before he or she completes 36 months in a parachute position.
(4) Military Free Fall Parachutist Badge. The Military Free Fall Parachutist Badge and Jumpmaster Badge may be revoked by the approval authority under the conditions listed below. Once revoked, the badges will not be reinstated except by the Commander, U.S. Special Operations Command, when fully justified.
(a) Automatically, upon dismissal, dishonorable discharge, or conviction by court-martial for desertion in time of
war.
(b) Awardee is punished under UCMJ for refusal to participate in a military free fall jump.

(c) Awardee initiates action which results in the termination of military free fall parachutist, basic or military free fall parachutist, jumpmaster status.
(5) Aviator Badges. Any Aviator Badge may be revoked when HQDA has approved the findings of a Flight Evaluation Board that the awardee was guilty of—
(a) Cowardice, refusal to fly, fear of flying, or fear of combat.
(b) An act constituting a flagrant violation of flying regulations
(6) Aviation Badges. Any Aviation Badge may be revoked by a commander who has authority to make the award upon his or her determination that the awardee was guilty of—
(a) Cowardice, refusal to fly, fear of flying, or fear of combat.
(b) Negligence in the performance of assigned aeronautical duties.
(7) Explosive Ordnance Disposal Badges. Any Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Badge may be revoked when the awardee—
(a) Is convicted by court-martial for refusal to participate in explosive ordnance disposal operations.
(b) Any EOD Badge may be revoked by a commander having authority to award the badge upon his or her determination that the awardee was guilty of gross negligence in the performance of assigned explosive ordnance disposal duties or a flagrant violation of EOD safety procedures or regulation.
(c) Initiates, in his or her initial tour of explosive ordnance disposal duty, action which results in termination of his or her explosive ordnance disposal status prior to the completion of 18 consecutive months of explosive ordnance disposal duty.
(8) Air Assault Badge. Any Air Assault Badge may be revoked by the awarding authority (see para 8–26) based upon the determination that an assigned or attached individual has failed to maintain prescribed standards of personal fitness and readiness to accomplish Air Assault missions. Requests for revocation of an Air Assault Badge awarded to individuals no longer assigned or attached to the awarding authority’s command will be forwarded through command channels to Commander, USAHRC, AHRC–PDO–PA, 200 Stovall Street, Alexandria, VA 22332–0471. These cases will be limited to those where it has been determined that an awardee was guilty of cowardice, refusal to fly in a tactical exercise or gross negligence in the performance of Air Assault duties.
(9) Special Forces Tab. Special Forces Tab may be revoked by the awarding authority (Commander, U.S. Army
John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center) if the recipient—
(a) Has his or her Parachutist Badge revoked.
(b) Initiates action which results in termination or withdrawal of the Special Forces specialty or branch code prior to completing 36 months of Special Forces duty. Requests for advanced schooling which may lead to another specialty or branch code being awarded instead of Special Forces will not be used as a basis for revocation of the tab.
(c) Has become permanently medically disqualified from performing Special Forces duty and was found to have become disqualified not in the line of duty.
(d) Has been convicted at a trial by courts-martial or has committed offenses which demonstrate severe professional misconduct,incompetence, or willful dereliction in the performance of Special Forces duties.
(e) Has committed any misconduct which is the subject of an administrative elimination action under the provisions of AR 635–200 or AR 600–8–24.
(f) Has committed any act or engaged in any conduct inconsistent with the integrity, professionalism, and conduct of a Special Forces Soldier, as determined by the Commander, U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School.
(g) The SF Tab for active and reserve component Soldiers will be reinstated by the Commander, U.S. Army Special Operations Command (USASOC), Fort Bragg, NC, when fully justified. Veterans, retirees, or next of kin should
submit request for reinstatement of the SF Tab to the Commander, USAHRC, AHRC–PDO–PA, Alexandria, VA 22332–0471, final review.
(10) Driver and Mechanic Badge. Driver and Mechanic Badge award will be revoked only by a commander authorized to award the badge and/or bar and only for any of the following reasons:
(a) In the event of a moving traffic violation in which life or property was endangered, or an accident which involved either property damage or personal injury wherein the awardee (motor vehicle driver or operator of special
mechanical equipment) was at fault.
(b) In the event of damage to the vehicle for which the awardee (motor vehicle driver or operator of special mechanical equipment) is responsible due to lack of preventive maintenance.
(c) In the event of an unsatisfactory rating of the awardee (motor mechanic) as a driver.
(d) In the event of damage to vehicle or shop equipment as a result of careless or inefficient performance of duty by
the awardee (motor mechanic).
(e) In the event of unsatisfactory shop performance by the awardee (motor mechanic).
(11) Marksmanship Badges. An award for previous marksmanship weapons qualification is revoked automatically whenever an individual, upon completion of firing a record course for which the previous award was made, has not attained the same qualification. In the event a badge is authorized for firing a limited or sub-caliber course, it is automatically revoked if a record service course is subsequently fired. If the bar, which is revoked automatically, is the only one authorized to be worn on the respective basic qualification badge, the award of the badge likewise is revoked automatically. An award once revoked will not be reinstated.
(12) U.S. Competitive Marksmanship Awards. Awards awarded under the U.S. Civilian Marksmanship Program and the President’s Hundred Tab made through error or as a result of fraud, may be revoked only by the USAHRC
(AHRC–PDO–PA).
(13) Ranger Tab. The Ranger Tab may be revoked by the Commander, U.S. Army Infantry School based on the recommendation of the field commander (COL or above) of the individual in question, if in the opinion of that commander the individual has exhibited a pattern of behavior, expertise or duty performance that is inconsistent with expectations of the Army, that is, that Ranger qualified Soldiers continuously demonstrate enhanced degrees of confidence, commitment, competency and discipline. Award of the Ranger Tab may be revoked for the following under any of the following conditions:
(a) Dismissal, dishonorable discharge or conviction by courts-martial for desertion in time of war.
(b) Refusal to accept assignment to a Ranger coded position.
(c) Failure to maintain prescribed standards of personal fitness and readiness to accomplish missions commensurate
with position and rank.
(d) Upon relief or release for cause.
(14) Sapper Tab. See paragraph 8–50c.
(15) Guard, Tomb of the Unknown Soldier Identification Badge. See paragraph 8–40f

I don’t see anything about a retired infantry platoon sergeant running a subversive blog in his retirement, so I guess my highest award, the NDSM, is safe for the time being.

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MrBill

How about a blue falcon who blatantly jumps the chain of command to get her way?

I guess not. The phrase “had they been known at the time” is key. Big Army appears to have known everything and apparently just didn’t care. All in the cause of promoting SHARP, I guess.

Dave Hardin
Ex-PH2

Dammit, Dave, post a spew warning, willya!?!?

That photo could scare the hair off a squirrel!

RGR 4-78

Is it me or could she pass for Pee Wee Hermans sister?

James

I saw a photo that had been “enhances” and it showed her receiving the “Nelly Oleson Award”. That’s the tattle-tale award if you don’t remember Oleson from Little House. It was cute.

OldSarge57

How about a message curtailing all these B.S. awards for admin duties and end of tours? I think there were something like 120k-plus Bronze Stars handed out for non-combat related duties. Personally, I think all this started with the Army Participation Ribbon so every graduate of Basic Training had something pretty (meaningless)on their uniform. Same with NCO Professional Development ribbons. My guess whatever rank you are means that ticket was punched. Whatever happened to Letters of Appreciation and Commendation? And of course they still haven’t addressed the Weapons Badge debate. Essentially, if you qualified, say, 15 years ago you can still wear the badge as long as you haven’t attempted to qualify since. Once I got to the point I couldn’t hit the barn side of a broad, I quit wearing them and decided it was time to retire.

farmgirl with a mosin nagant

Reminds me of the old Bill Mauldin cartoon, with the two GIs admiring the MP’s shiny chest. ‘…And dis one is for being in dis theater of operations…’

MustangCryppie

I knew a pilot who flew recce missions during the first Gulf War. There was a medal feeding frenzy after the war and one of the awards was an Air Medal. I can tell you that the missions were waaaaay back from the front and they were in no real danger. Said pilot refused the medal. His father had flown missions over North Vietnam and, of course, had a few Air Medals of his own. My pilot friend said he wouldn’t be able to look his father in the eye if he accepted it.

Too bad many recipients of the “staff” Bronze Stars won’t do the same.

To mind, whatever happened to the sincerely expressed thanks of your seniors and the respect of your peers? When I was a CO, I had command coins made. I used it to use it as a token of thanks. My Sailors LOVED it.

However, from my career, the thing I most remember were “attaboys” that came from my bosses’ mouths and that my peers looked to me as someone who had his shit in one sock. I don’t give a shit about the medals.

Hondo

Old Sarge: actually, the Army today has tightened up awards of the BSM for achievement/service considerably in comparison to Vietnam.

In Iraq/Afghanistan, per official Army award statistics a total of 165,011 BSMs for service/achievement have been awarded through 30 Sep 2014. Since somewhere on the order of 1.1M soldiers appear to have served in-theater during OEF and OIF, that’s roughly 1 BSM awarded for service/achievement for each 6.6 or so troops deployed. However, many of those are likely repeat awards (multiple tours), so I’d guess the actual rate was probably about 1/2 that.

In contrast, in Vietnam approximately 2.6M total troops served in-country; probably 2M of them were Army (that’s a guess, but the Army did have the vast majority of people in uniform in-country). In Vietnam, 549,342 soldiers received BSMs for service/achievement. That’s approximately 1 for every 3.6 soldiers deployed in-country. The rate of award was likely somewhere around 1 per 5 or 1 per 6 due to multiple tours, but I believe there were proportionally fewer with multiple tours during Vietnam than today due to the draft.

When awarded for service or achievement, the BSM is essentially the equivalent of a combat-zone MSM. Army regs formerly precluded giving MSM’s in a combat zone (that’s now allowed for “non-combat service”, which has predictably led to abuses of a different sort). Heck – at one point, the Navy award instruction specifically stated that the BSM for service/achievement was the equivalent of a combat-zone MSM.

For whatever reason, Korea and the Gulf War were rather stingy (based on historical norms from Vietnam and today) regarding award of the BSM for achievement or service. In Korea, only 30,359 BSMs for service/achievement were awarded to roughly 1.789 million troops in-country. Assuming 80% of those were Army, that works out to about 1 per 47(!) soldiers serving there. In the Gulf War, about 500,000 soldiers served in-theater; 27,076 BSMs for service/achievement were awarded. That works out to about 1 per 18.5 soldiers serving there.

My guess for Korea is that the BSM was then still fairly new, and the Army was still “sorting out” how to handle that award. For the Gulf War, my guess is the lower award rate was a reaction to perceived award inflation during Vietnam. Remember, many if not most Gulf War senior leaders had served in Vietnam.

Just a bit of perspective and opinion, based on historical numbers and policies.

OldSarge57

Very insightful and well-researched. Thank you for the stats. My comments were more based on what I have seen the BSM awarded for. Obviously a dozen or so out of 165K is hardly a valid litmus test.

I started in 1975, did 16 years (+1 later) AD, and am still doing the Reserve thing for a few more months. I just remember there was a lot less fruit salad running around back then, than there is now. Our Senior NCO’s were all Vietnam or Vietnam and Korean Veterans. So maybe it’s just that we’ve added a lot more “I was there” awards. Or maybe I just really need to retire!

Hondo

Yes, we have more “been there ribbons” today. For starters, the ASR, OSR, and GWOTSM didn’t exist in the mid-1970s – an those are 3 that most everyone who’s served 2-3 years today have, or a whole row on a ribbon rack.

We have far more campaign and expeditionary medals, too. In the mid/late 1970s, the only common ones were the VSM, VCM, and the AFEM (by the mid 1970s, Korea vets were getting pretty rare) – and the AFEM was uncommon. Since then, we’ve added the SWASM, GWOTEM, ACM, ICM, KCM, KDSM, AFSM – and we’ve also had a sh!tload of operations that qualify for the AFEM. The HSM has also been added, along with a load of qualifying operations. And don’t forget the MOVSM! (smile)

Bottom line: we certainly have a load more “been there” ribbons today. That’s likely skewing perception.

I’m guessing in terms of personal decorations not all that much has changed since Vietnam, and IMO it’s actually tougher to get some awards today. Take a look at the numbers of valor awards during Vietnam and today. Based on the number of folks deployed, you’d expect somewhere between 1/4 and 1/2 as many awards for valor in OEF and OIF combined as for Vietnam. The OEF/OIF totals are nowhere near that.

Former 11B

Like you say, the OIF and OEF totals don’t compare to those of Vietnam, but I think a lot of that has to do with the nature of the fight itself. Large battles are much less commonplace, and smaller skirmishes are the order of the day. In such circumstances it’s harder to display the kind of heroism that would earn one a decoration for valor.

Can you run the numbers for purple hearts? I’m no statistician, but I think the numbers for that could help shed light on other awards.

Luddite4Change

Hondo said, “For whatever reason, Korea and the Gulf War were rather stingy (based on historical norms from Vietnam and today) regarding award of the BSM for achievement or service. In Korea, only 30,359 BSMs for service/achievement were awarded to roughly 1.789 million troops in-country. Assuming 80% of those were Army, that works out to about 1 per 47(!) soldiers serving there. In the Gulf War, about 500,000 soldiers served in-theater; 27,076 BSMs for service/achievement were awarded. That works out to about 1 per 18.5 soldiers serving there.”

I’d wonder if the length of the conflict (the average tour in SWA for Desert Shield/Storm) was like 4 1/2 months had an effect here? If you look at the BSM in terms of deployed man years its much more consistent. (Of course, I was folks who were there for four weeks get one and equally deserving folks who were deployed for 9 months get left out.)

Hondo

Luddite4Change: That could indeed be part of the reason for the Gulf War’s apparent stinginess with the BSM for service/achievement. Personally, I’d find it kinda hard to justify telling my boss that someone did work at a level justifying a peacetime MSM in a 4- or 5-month period unless they were pretty damn good.

Don’t think that’s part of the reason for Korea, though.

JimW

This is just a thought. Awarding BSM medals seem to be related to the temperature of the theater.
To cold to type up citations in Korea.. few medals issued. 1 in 47
Really Hot in Vietnam, lots of REMF…. lots of medals issued. 1 in 3.6
Iraq gets cold at night and hot during the day.. more medals issued than Korea, But less than Vietnam. 1 in 18.5. Just A thought!
So who would ever know what medals you received in service. I think most guys put then in a shoe box and forget about them. Nice to have, sure. But, who would ever know. My neighbors Dad received the Distinguished Service Cross, Milo C Huempfner. Only way I found out was the VA named a hospital after him a few years ago. And a guy(John Bradley, Navy Cross) from a town near by took part in raising the flag at Mount Suribachi. Of course they never said a word to anyone. So unless you received something like those medals, who would know. Of course there are the Posers who tell us about daring do and bravery:(

Eric

Well, I would have to say Afghanistan is both Hot and Cold. My FOB was only about 3000 feet up, but it got very chilly there while at the same time getting very toasty too.

But, there are plenty of men out there in history who didn’t get recognition for their deeds, that is very true and unfortunate.

MustangCryppie

“Of course they never said a word to anyone.”

Not saying my father was a big hero (though he is in my eyes), but he NEVER EVER said one word about his service in Europe. I can only imagine the horror that the men you mention experienced.

Pinto Nag

My dad was in the Seabees during WWII. I knew he had been in Normandy and France. I asked my dad about D-Day, one time. I asked him if he ever saw Normandy Beach. He said, “D-Day +3.” He hesitated for a long moment, and then said, “There were areas of that beach that you couldn’t take a step without stepping on a body, either German or American…”

That’s only one of two times in my life I ever saw tears in my dad’s eyes.

Sapper3307

That’s the REG that company commanders in (former) West Germany used to d-wing the soldiers with jump wings. It was before my time but when you have a company in complete uniformity who needed to train for WW#3.

Luddite4Change

I would guess that HRC was moved to issue the message (which only reminds commanders of what is in the regulations already) after having to process the separation of a former General Officer (now a LTC) several months ago. Likely, HRC had to revoke several awards from this individual that were earned during the time he was “not perfroming in a satisfactory manner”.

Eric

Sounds to me like the Army is trying to send everyone a message on the future:

“The beatings will continue, until Morale improves.”

CLAW131

What Big Army is saying is this: Mechanic’s Badges will be revoked if you knuckle busting, wrench turning pit monkeys can’t hit the used shop rag can at the end of the day. Oily,greasy rags go IN THE CAN !!!,not on the floor AROUND THE CAN!!!

The can is painted bright red and is labeled DIRTY RAGS, how hard can it be?

This undoubtedly applies to all maintenance activities everywhere regardless of branch of service.

I know, BTDT in motor pools for a good many years. Nothing but highest praise for maintenance technicians the world over.

OldSarge57

We still have mechs? I thought they were all contractors now! Keep nd of like the mythical cooks…gone the way of unicorns.

Beretverde

I’m glad the made the revocation of the jump wings official (for refusal etc.).

Steve

“(3) Parachute Rigger Badge. The Parachute Rigger Badge may be revoked when the awardee—

(b) Refuses an order to make a parachute jump with a parachute they packed.”

I’d be lying if I said I had a problem with that…

MustangCryppie

Yup, I’m down with that.

Also, NEVER and I mean NEVER piss off the parachute rigger.

Doc Joe

Or a medic/corpsman, or a cook. Just saying

Sapper3307

It helps with the quality control at the Rigger shed. But I never meet a Rigger that was pulled by their boss to jump what they packed.

John Robert Mallernee

I had a fellow Viet Nam veteran, who claimed to have been a helicopter pilot, tell me once that all of his decorations had been revoked, but I never believed his story.

Thus, I’m surprised to learn the United States Army really DOES revoke military decorations!

Anyway, that guy I was referring to was later arrested for attempting to blow up a major metropolitan airport in California.

I don’t know what became of him after that.

Jabatam

Come on Jonn, I know you have higher than a NDSM. I’d like to see your rack…no homo