CIA “torture” report released by Senate

| December 10, 2014

So, ignoring the warnings that it would put Americans at risk around the world, the highly partisan Senate did that anyway. Because, you know, what are the lives of a few Americans compared to them being removed from their seats of power? The Washington Post is shocked by what they read in the report. Apparently they’re much less shocked by videos of Americans having their heads removed on video screens around the world. They’re much less shocked that Americans and Europeans are heading off to Syria by the thousands to join the organization that sprung from al Qaeda. Those terrorists are heartened by Senator Feinstein;

In her foreword to the report, Feinstein does not characterize the CIA’s actions as torture, but said the trauma of Sept. 11 led the agency to employ “brutal interrogation techniques in violation of U.S. law, treaty obligations and our values.” The report should serve as “a warning for the future,” she said. “We cannot again allow history to be forgotten and grievous past mistakes to be repeated.”

Yeah, if pumping water up the anus of a terrorist is something that makes them talk, they can use my hose. The report focuses on the treatment of Abu Zubaida. He operated the Khalden Camp which trained al Qaeda operatives and Taliban soldiers. He was convicted in absentia and sentenced to death by Jordan for plotting bombings of US and Israeli targets there. He had ties to Ahmed Ressam, the “Millennium Bomber” who was foiled at the Canadian/US border.

Zubaida was shot by Pakistani intelligence officials when they arrested him. When he was turned over to the FBI, those agents took him straight to the hospital for treatment. I wonder if John McCain wishes that he had been treated as humanely by the North Vietnamese troops who captured him when he was injured?

But this is what the report said about his treatment;

One of the most lengthy sections describes the interrogation of the CIA’s first prisoner, Abu Zubaida, who was detained in Pakistan in March 2002. Zubaida, badly injured when he was captured, was largely cooperative when jointly questioned by the CIA and FBI but was then subjected to confusing and increasingly violent interrogation as the agency assumed control.

After being transferred to a site in Thailand, Zubaida was placed in isolation for 47 days, a period during which the presumably important source on al-Qaida faced no questions. Then, at 11:50 a.m. on Aug. 4, 2002, the CIA launched a round-the-clock interrogation assault — slamming Zubaida against walls, stuffing him into a coffin-sized box and waterboarding him until he coughed, vomited and had “involuntary spasms of the torso and extremities.”

The treatment continued for 17 days. At one point, the waterboarding left Zubaida “completely unresponsive, with bubbles rising through his open, full mouth.” CIA memos described employees who were distraught and concerned about the legality of what they had witnessed. One said that “two, perhaps three” were “likely to elect transfer.”

Good. Even if they didn’t get any information out of him, he was obviously a terrorist and deserved everything he got. And you’ll note that no one chopped off his head during this treatment.

Zubaida was waterboarded 83 times and kept in cramped boxes for nearly 300 hours. In October 2002, Bush was informed in his daily intelligence briefing that Zubaida was still withholding “significant threat information,” despite views from the black site that he had been truthful from the outset and was “compliant and cooperative,” the report said.

The document provides a similarly detailed account of the interrogation of the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who fed his interrogators a stream of falsehoods and intelligence fragments. Waterboarding was supposed to simulate suffocation with a damp cloth and a trickle of liquid. But with Mohammed, CIA operatives used their hands to form a standing pool of water over his mouth. KSM, as he is known in agency documents, was ingesting “a LOT of water,” a CIA medical officer wrote, saying that the application had been so altered that “we are basically doing a series of near drownings.”

From Wiki;

In March 2007, through the use of enhanced interrogation techniques, [Khalid Sheikh Mohammed] confessed to masterminding the September 11 attacks, the Richard Reid shoe bombing attempt to blow up an airliner, the Bali nightclub bombing in Indonesia, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the murder of Daniel Pearl, and various foiled attacks, as well as numerous other crimes.

And now I’m supposed to regret that treatment of a fellow who had a hand in nearly every terrorist plot for the decade before his arrest? Yeah, let me dig deep for some GAF.

I wonder if the media will shove a microphone in the face of any Democrat Senator who took part in the release of the report and ask them if they regret the loss of any lives that result from this release. And have no doubt, that the release of this report is purely political. Most of the members of Congress were fully aware of the interrogation techniques that were employed at the time they were used, but now suddenly it’s “never again” as they’re being shown the door.

According to Fox News, six thousand Marines in Europe are on “high alert” as a Crisis Response Force solely because the Senate Democrats released this report.

The editorial board of the Wall Street Journal writes that they’re convinced that the interrogation techniques used by the CIA saved lives;

What is wrong with the committee’s report?

First, its claim that the CIA’s interrogation program was ineffective in producing intelligence that helped us disrupt, capture, or kill terrorists is just not accurate. The program was invaluable in three critical ways:

• It led to the capture of senior al Qaeda operatives, thereby removing them from the battlefield.

• It led to the disruption of terrorist plots and prevented mass casualty attacks, saving American and Allied lives.

• It added enormously to what we knew about al Qaeda as an organization and therefore informed our approaches on how best to attack, thwart and degrade it.

A powerful example of the interrogation program’s importance is the information obtained from Abu Zubaydah, a senior al Qaeda operative, and from Khalid Sheikh Muhammed, known as KSM, the 9/11 mastermind. We are convinced that both would not have talked absent the interrogation program.

By the way, John McCain was quoted as saying “This question isn’t about our enemies. It’s about us. It’s about who we were, who we are and who we aspire to be. It’s about how we represent ourselves to the world.” The Senate report is not accurate – like any report that comes out of Congress – everything is a compromise vote. They only release information that the Democrat majority allows to be released. Butthurt McCain voting with them insures that nothing even close to accurate is going to be in the report.

The world needs to know that we’re tired of taking their shit. The whining and hand-wringing by the Senate doesn’t send that message.

Category: Barack Obama/Joe Biden, Terror War

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NHSparky

Two things to remember in torture:

Red is positive, black is negative.

Brat

” Butthurt McCain voting with them insures that nothing even close to accurate is going to be in the report.

The world needs to know that we’re tired of taking their shit. The whining and hand-wringing by the Senate doesn’t send that message….”

I also have lost my GAF…..(and will have more to say later)…

AverageNCO

So all this occurred since 9-11. The government released the info even though it may have some national security concerns, and it makes us look bad.
Yet we’re still going to run into guys like Shane Ladner and Vietnam-era posers who still claim their records are “classified”

The Other Whitey

The known terrorists–the mass-murdering, bloodthirsty, child-killing, RAPISTS–didn’t get the Norwegian luxury-resort-prison experience? Boo fucking hoo.

Now Feinstein, et al are shocked, shocked I tell you! About stuff they not only knew about but happily signed off on for over a decade. The hypocrisy is disgusting.

Pinto Nag

The progressives will rage against all of us, and anybody that works for us, because they got their pink slips. They will attack every institution we care about, including the military and the VA. They will turn every institution that they can against us, including the DoJ and the IRS. We’re about to see what “domestic enemies” look like, because what we’ve done is kicked a hornets’ nest.

Pinto Nag

Oh, yeah. The only thing I have to say about the CIA torturing terrorists, is they probably didn’t torture enough of them.

And they should know better than to get caught by now.

James in Gulf Breeze

AMEN!!!!

Redacted1775

CIA: Actionable intelligence was gained through the enhanced interrogation program.

Boneheads in Congress (BIC): No it wasn’t.

CIA: Yes it was.

BIC: No it wasn’t.

Personally I have a hard time putting faith in the findings of any organization with a 10% approval rating. I mean that’s family members who don’t even like you at that poiny.

Redacted1775

*Point. Fuggin’ digital keyboards…

Hondo

To be fair, Redacted1775 – it wasn’t “Congress” per se. It was the Senate. I don’t believe the House had anything to do with the release of this report.

IMO that’s probably because House leadership was satisfied with the truth, and didn’t see any need to warp same in an attempt to score political points. But maybe I’m wrong.

UpNorth

I think this was just the majority deeming this a Senate Intel committee report. This was done much like the ACA was done, the dems wrote it, the R’s objected, the dems said tough shit and released it.
And, Mission Accomplished for the Regime, and the dems, Gruber has become a non-person. He disappeared from the news before he had a chance to walk out of the hearing room yesterday.

EODMAN

IMHO, this was done for four reasons:
1. revenge for the CIA/NSA monitoring staffers’ e-mails to prevent this very leak
2. revenge for losing the election
3. distraction from the Gruber testimony on Obamacare
4. Blame Bush

Civilwarrior

I could not agree more.

Ver Raj

Waterboarding, sleep deprivation and noise = reprehensible torture.

Drone launched hellfire = just fine in the eyes of a liberal.

It is impossible to understand the mind of a liberal!

MustangCryppie

In their twisted minds, drone strikes are okay because they’re “HUMANE.” The mujj never knew what hit them.

B Woodman

Libtards got minds? Who knew!? I thought they just has brain stems at the top of their. . . .uhhhh. . .. spines??

mrface

Libtards have spines?!?! Who knew?

Anonymous in Jax

I find it interesting that you use John McCain as your example because I once read an article he wrote in Time magazine where he outlined why he was AGAINST torture, including so-called “torture light” such as waterboarding. He recalled a time when he was a POW where he was beaten and asked for the names of his fellow comrades. He said he gave them the names of the Green Bay Packers defensive line just to make his captors happy and to stop the beating. I am NOT okay with any of the treatment outlined in this report because I’m a decent human being who doesn’t want to see or hear about another human being being subjected to this sort of stuff. Sorry Jonn, maybe I just don’t have the intestinal fortitude that is required. You know I still love ya.

Hondo

A gentleman named Alan Dershowitz would disagree with you both:

http://www.alandershowitz.com/publications/docs/torturewarrants.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alan-dershowitz-should-we-fight-terror-with-torture-406412.html

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/09/17/torture-tool-fight-against-terrorist-groups-like-isis/1Tfqfk1Amck7Rh9kEra8IN/story.html

First article is from 2002; last, from September 2014.

Dershowitz is hardly a conservative. But he has the common sense to understand that – in certain situations – highly unpleasant interrogation techniques are indeed justified.

Valerie

Bingo!

Anonymous in Jax

@ Ver Raj, I’m not okay with the drone launched hellfire either. You might find it hard to understand the mind of a liberal, but I have a hard time understanding the mind of a conservative.

Pinto Nag

We’re not playing cricket with the jihadists, we’re at war with them. They have declared it their intention to visit TOTAL DESTRUCTION on the US. Part of the denial found in this country comes from the fact that we are well protected, and do have little to fear because of our military, and the hard and dangerous agencies that will do whatever it takes to keep us so. As thanks, we treat them like the local garbage dump — we know we have to have them, but we certainly don’t want to see, hear, or smell them. And the thing that I hate the most is how they are shamelessly used for political football. The only reason, THE ONLY REASON, this report has been brought to light is to exact revenge for the recent elections results. It has NOTHING to do with the morality (or lack thereof) with regards to the use of torture.

Ver Raj

Let me try to help you then. You want to understand torture. Please endeavor to interview a few of the following:

1) A young Yazidi female in ISIS occupied territory

2) Surviving family members of the same females who witnessed fathers and brothers murdered or beheaded, young males dragged off for sale and females dragged off for slavery.

3) Any Christian who has lived in the ME for any length of time.

4) Any Israeli who lives less than 30 miles from a border.

5) Surviving family members of 9/11/01 victims.

Our own soldiers and operatives are water boarded in order to prepare them for the battlefield. They are well aware that surviving water boarding is a dream compared to what will actual happen to them in the event they are captured.

Being sacred or inconvenienced for a few days or months is nothing compared to what the victims listed above must live with for the rest of their lives.

So you decide for yourself what rally constitutes torture.

Valerie

Read this. This is an active document. It states the Islamists’ intent, and is being followed.

http://middleeast.about.com/od/palestinepalestinians/a/me080106b_2.htm

ridgerunner1967

I do not feel that we should continue the debate as conservatives or liberals. I think that if we do not come together as realists, we will have the ability to argue the fine points of being civilized. If someone threatens you as we have been threatened, the only procedure to follow is to find them and then destroy them in such a fashion that they will never again attack you. Then you can go back to your “civilized” debates.

Adirondack Patriot

An important point that shouldn’t be lost here is that there wasn’t a single account of “torture” at Guantanamo included in this report. Not a single account. I don’t think Democrats like Feinstein would go out of their way to exclude Guantanamo, particularly in light of the fact that Democrats, including the proven liar Obama, have continually lied about “torture” at Guantanamo.

I have searched the documents and haven’t found a single reference to GTMO. If I am wrong, please let me know.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Well time to put on the dick hat once again…..

So we have a government that most of us don’t trust to do the right thing two days in a row suddenly talking about the necessity of a state sponsored enhanced interrogation technique program.

So now we’re comfortable trusting a government that we don’t trust to treat veterans properly using enhanced interrogation, under what forms of restriction? Who determines who is eligible to be waterboarded or stuffed in a little box for a few days? The government? The people? Who?

Are we trusting the government to never use it against American citizens? The same government that has stated it will use a drone strike to kill Americans it believes are involved in terrorist activities without due process?

Just yesterday there was an uproar because the local police chief of bumfuck usa asked if citizens would volunteer for searches….and today we are going to state that we unequivocally trust the government because they tortured some hadjis and got some good information…

Now our government has indicated that it believes that veterans are more susceptible to recruitment to right wing terror groups than other citizens. Does that mean it’s okay for the government to use some enhanced interrogation on some veterans it suspects of terrorist activities for right wing groups? Who determines these right wing groups? The SPLC?

Sorry guys, I don’t trust the federal government to add 2+2 and come up with 4. There’s no fucking way I trust the government to sponsor this kind of horseshit.

It’s not the looking into the abyss that creates the problem, it’s that the abyss oftentimes looks back.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

I should not have used the phrase “tortured” some hadjis, I will defer to the phrase “enhanced Interrogation of hadjis”

Hondo

So, VOV – propose an alternative that works. I’m all ears.

I personally don’t like the idea, either. But I also can’t think of an alternative that has a prayer of working when time is critical. Neither could Alan Dershowitz (see above).

Maybe you can.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Well that’s the $64,000 question isn’t it….when time is short do the means justify the end? Is it okay to go with something that many feel is morally incorrect to end up with something that is capable of saving lives? There is a significant difference between what happens in the heat of the moment and a program defined with a manual and identified with DoD titles. The question becomes is it worth a few American lives to maintain what we perceive as the moral high ground or is it better to become crueler and baser in our morality to save those lives? You know my thoughts on this already, I don’t care how many muslims die to save some Americans…I hardly care if they get dunk tanked until they drown if it works. But, when the government states it can kill Americans with drones without due process it does raise the question of what are we working to preserve then if we give away the protections under the Bill of Rights? If we feel this our only method, there should be something more involved in the oversight than a secret FISA court that never answers to the public for its actions. There should be stiff penalties for those officials who willingly misidentify those they would subject to this treatment. Taking someone in the dead of night into a darkened room and forcing these techniques on that person is something most Americans associate with our former communist enemies, not their own government. When that Pandora’s box of practicality supersedes the protections under the Bill of Rights, what exactly is left for all of us? You aren’t fighting to preserve our way of life if our way of life now includes the potential for state sponsored “enhanced interrogation” to accompany state sponsored restrictions on all of our other amendments. This isn’t just an issue of what the alternatives are it’s an issue with implications we all must consider carefully and thoroughly. Instead it becomes another political football, if you are against it you’re for killing Americans if you’re for it you’re a… Read more »

Hondo

“. . . give away the protections under the Bill of Rights?” WTF?

Geez, VOV – enemies of the US outside the territorial limits of the USA are not covered by the Bill of Rights.

Liquid lunch today?

Hondo

Disregard the above – that was posted while you were commenting below. I think we’re largely in agreement after your later comment.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

I was speaking in terms of a progression from outside CONUS into CONUS…not that far a stretch if we are done attacking US Citizens now who are deemed terrorists…if we identify terrorists internally I could see an EO that allowed that to happen.

Hondo

Yeah, I figured that out when I saw your clarifying comment below.

Absent a suspension of the Constitutional right of habeas corpus, I’d not sweat that. And the Constitution does provide a pretty high barrier to that.

In particular, the Constitution allows suspension of habeas corpus only under conditions of rebellion or insurrection. With the exception of during Reconstruction, all such suspensions have been during times of rebellion or insurrection (Civil War, Philippines in early 1900s). Even the suspension during Reconstruction was arguably due to de facto rebellion/insurrection – e.g., localized unrest severe enough in places to render civil authorities unable to maintain law and order.

However, if conditions ever again arose that allowed suspension, your concern becomes quite valid.

David

No, I don’t trust the Feds to walk a grandma across an empty street without screwing it up. Yes, I trust them to use whatever methods produce results against the various hajis and terrorists they may find because when it comes down to it, I really don’t consider the latter group to have retained their rights to be considered as human beings when they bomb schoolchildren, decapitate prisoners, etc. So if the Feds screw up on the enhanced interrogation front occasionally, it’s not like they are harming worthwhile people.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Provided there is some legal restriction from its use against US citizens. We’ve already seen that drone strikes are to be used without due process by this administration against American citizens suspected of terrorism abroad….it’s not a long stretch to assume that might be applied to those suspected of terrorism on US soil at some point.

To me that’s the real rabbit hole, who draws these lines and where? The guys using the techniques? Because they’ve proven their ability to exercise appropriate control?

Hondo

Simple guideline: allow either to be used against individuals outside the US and its territories who are directly engaged in activities supporting terrorist groups, or who are captured while doing so. I’d hold that in both cases, citizenship has been rendered moot by the individual’s actions.

After all: if someone’s shooting at you or aiding the enemy in a combat zone, does it really matter what nation they’re from? At that point, they’re an enemy – and should be treated as such. And as I recall, you’re rather an outspoken advocate of treating enemies of the US quite harshly.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

I can get behind that proposal as it restricts the actions to overseas personnel of the enemy variety.

I would also advocate some congressional oversight to keep everyone honest where possible.

For CONUS situations I’d still like to see the Bill of Rights in place and all of the protections afforded under it. But that means treating domestic terrorists as criminals and not enemy combatants.

Much to discuss and consider.

Hondo

I could agree with you on the latter – provided we’re talking about US citizens.

Noncitizen residents who turn to domestic terrorism? IMO, they deserve nothing but immediate deportion – along with a one-way trip to Guantanamo (or other “garden spot” location overseas) and some quality time being “strenuously interrogated”.

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Non-citizens are exactly that, un-entitled to any protections from the BoR or the Geneva conventions….

OWB

This appears to be a manual on proper torture techniques from the United States Senate, published for terrorists and other interested parties world wide. “Interrogation Techniques for Dummies” would be an appropriate title.

Democrats – facilitating the success of our enemies for 100 years. Unfortunately, they have done so with complicit Republicans for too much of that 100 years.

H1

I get the whole law of land warfare thing but.
Still having a hard time working up any sympathy for the aholes.
Most of them are still breathing.
3k plus Americans.
Aren’t.
And, the maximum effective range of the current outrageous outrage is one CONUS Tac Nuke.

missilefire

Sleep deprivation, loud music, staying up for four days, nudity, humiliation, pouring god knows what drink into me……..Shit, that’s a weeknight for me in Vegas

Anonymous in Jax

How cute….

missilefire

I thought so

Hondo

Yeah, “a fella’ could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.” (smile)

Pinto Nag

Maybe we need to move the CIA to Vegas — that way, what goes on in the black site STAYS in the black site!

Veritas Omnia Vincit

Well the IRS conferences have been a hoot in Vegas…I can only imagine the carnival atmosphere the CIA would bring..

missilefire

The release of this report was an insurance policy cashed in by temper tantrum liberals who are pissed at any number of things.

As far as torture, pulling nails (fingers and toes) rape, sodomy with a red hot pipe, more rape, the shoulder & rope trick, beating the hell out of the bottom of bare feet……..That’s torture, and is only a small sample of what other societies use.

You don’t have to be as brutal as your enemy, but it helps

B Woodman

I heard to the effect that the people (staffers, not Kongress Kritters) who put together this report DID NOT TALK TO THE CIA!!! Instead they talked to THE HAJJI’S LAWERS!!
Gee. No wonder the report is so one-sided. And the CIA is finally starting to fight back. If this is true, W-T-F!!!

Hondo

They were creating a report for Senators of a particular ideology, B Woodman. It was political theater – nothing more, and nothing less.

They needed neither both sides of the story nor any pesky little things like facts. They already knew what they wanted their bosses to say.

The Other Whitey

May the lying rat-bastards burn in hell for it.

Everett

I agree with 99% of the views expressed on TAH, but this ain’t one of them.

Waterboarding is torture. If you disagree, think back to SERE or go waterboard yourself right now on the kitchen floor. All it takes is a rag and a glass of water. It doesn’t leave welts or scars, but the distress is as real as it gets.

Keeping someone in diapers and forcing them to shit themselves is unequivocally degrading. If it had been done by a German in WWII, we would have tried them for war crimes. Weasel words about combatant status don’t buy us anything in the court of public opinion.

Ask yourself: if a captured US service member were placed in a cramped confinement box with “harmless insects” for a couple of hours, would you argue that the captor was well within their rights? If you’re honest, I think that you would not.

And so on.

When we popped this cherry–state sanctioned torture, not the off-the-books work of rogue actors–we lost our moral high ground. We as a nation will be paying for this in the foreign policy arena for a long time. We’re the leaders of the free world. It is critical that we act like it.

Pinto Nag

They killed 3000 innocent American civilians in one day.

We never have heard the whole story about what was done to Bergdahl, either.

How many Americans have they beheaded in the last year?

We aren’t fighting the Germans, or the Japanese here. We aren’t even fighting the Russians here. Or the Chinese. Those enemies, while capable of terrible brutality, did have some level of honor that we could use as a buffer to a no-holds-barred approach to war. The Japanese pushed that envelop a little, but still stopped short of necessary annihilation.

We don’t have that luxury this time with this enemy.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: we’re coming to a time when everybody is going to have to pick a side. Moral highground, in this war, is going to belong to the last group standing.

3/17 Air Cav

When it comes to war criminals, the winners decide who they are. You think war crimes weren’t perpetrated by U.S. Military during the Second World War?

War is a ugly, brutal thing!

Instead of being the leader of the free world. It’s time for us to be the leaders of the USA!

I could care less about moral high ground. You have to get down on their level and exterminate these sand fleas!

Richard

I’m just a dickweed from Michigan but I started to read this bit of creative writing. Let’s talk about Finding and Conclusions. report: “For example, according to CIA records, seven of the 39 CIA detainees known to have been subjected to the CIA’s enhanced interrogation techniques produced no intelligence while in CIA custody.” Never said anything true or didn’t say anything important? There is a difference. report: “CIA personnel assessed that the most effective method for acquiring intelligence from detainees, including from detainees the CIA considered to be the most “high-value,” was to confront the detainees with information already acquired by the Intelligence Community.” Works really well if you have something to confront them with. Otherwise, not so much. report: “The Committee reviewed 20 of the most frequent and prominent examples of purported counter terrorism successes that the CIA has attributed to the use of its enhanced interrogation techniques, and found them to be wrong in fundamental respects.” Did they find any that were right? You gotta kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince. report: “(1) corroborative of information already available to the CIA or other elements of the U.S. Intelligence Community from sources other than the CIA detainee, and was therefore not “otherwise unavailable”;” Did the US act solely on that other information or was the information extracted from detainees corroboration needed to act? report: “Some of the plots that the CIA claimed to have “disrupted” as a result of the CIA’s enhanced interrogation techniques were assessed by intelligence and law enforcement officials as being infeasible or ideas that were never operationalized.” Lots of initial ideas are unfeasible. If someone keeps working on them they get feasible. Think about 9/11. We disrupt those plots so that they don’t become feasible. that is up through point #2. let me skip ahead. report: “At least five CIA detainees were subjected to “rectal rehydration” or rectal feeding without documented medical necessity.” Was a document required by some standard, law, or procedure? If not, then so what? report: “The CIA did not brief the leadership of the Senate Select Committee on… Read more »

Hondo

If the press can get their nose out of the Democrats ass, . . . .

Aren’t ye a bit auld t’be a believin’ in Leprechauns, lad? Do ye draw to inside straights when playin’ poker too?

Richard

That is what honorable professional people would do. I make no representations about the press, I do not speak for them. I try to be honorable. It doesn’t always work but I expend the effort and I think that I understand the rules.

Flash! Four B-3 “Porcine” bombers just made a low pass over lower Michigan. There is shit everywhere. News at 11!

GDContractor

Rectal feeding and rectal rehydration…. only now do I have a sense of what Joe Teti was doing for the CIA.

FatCircles0311

John traitor McCain can blow it out his ass. That old fart traitor bitch should be at GITMO himself along with obaggy. That dumb mother fucker met with Islamists then armed them via the government and ducking knew they were enemies.

Go fuck off John McCain. You’re a piece of shit.

Richard

I cannot forget that McCain actually was tortured by the North Vietnamese during his stay in the Hanoi Hilton. You will never see him raise his arms above his head – because he can’t.

That is not just “his story” – Denton and lots of the other guys know what happened. All the stories match on the major points and it is in all their books.

I think that he is trying to keep that from happening to our troops.

You should do what you think is best but I think you ought to cut him a little slack.

streetsweeper

Okay, I just cut John McCain a little slack. Fuck him.

FatCircles0311

You’re the worst kind of person.

Richard

Really? Why? Because I think that John McCain is an honorable guy? He was tortured and speaks out against torture. I do not agree with him about this situation but he earned the right to speak his mind, he paid the price for it. The Democrats are trying to repeat the Church Committee from the 70s – associate the CIA with the republican right and use that against GOP candidates in the next election. I am sure that there is a word for what they are doing, I cannot think of it right now. I hope it backfires. So what part of that makes me a bad person?

Richard

FWIW, I think that the CIA ran a good program and that it generated a lot of high quality intelligence that we used to attack Muslim extremists — the best result. I think that they could have run it better but everything can be improved. That doesn’t mean that there was anything wrong with what they did.

After 9/11, al US flights were shut down. The first week when flights were allowed, I traveled to Newark NJ and drove down the NJ turnpike. Without the Twin Towers the NY skyline looked wrong and the smoke was still rising in a plume that pointed southeast. I had meetings that day and there were absent people who had lost family members in the twin towers. I have visited the site several times since.

I have zero sympathy for people who kill innocent people to pursue power.

The SSIC report is politically equivalent – attacking people who were doing their job in order to pursue power. Mrs. Feinstein seeks to weaken her opponents and so that she maintains or increases her power over the country. I think that she is giving aid and comfort to the enemy and for that she deserves to be damned.

Here is a link to the minority report. This seems more believable to me.

streetsweeper

This is one more final nail in the so-called coffin, people. OWB pointed towards it but, didn’t quite arrive at the objective. Haven’t heard a peep out of John F’ng sKerry’s long face, have we? The marxists are bound and determined to finish what they couldn’t get done via the winter crybaby “hearings” and Congressional Record entries made in 1971 & 2008.

Do believe I warned people back in 2008 that this shit with these m’fers was far from over. If I may say so now and I will, my instinct was center mass…Jax? Shaddup and quit whining. Both of us know if someone comes at you, your gonna be the very first to draw your peashooter and pop their ass, most likely graveyard dead.

I have no f’ng sympathy for anyone that attacks this country and expects to walk away unscathed like bin (Dead Fish Bait)laden did in 1993. I have no use nor sympathy for anybody else that stands on the sideline wringing their wittle hands (John McCain, et al) and slobbers down their chest (flat or not) how “terrible” our country is for pursuing such actions against a faceless and determined enemy THAT isn’t covered under Genieva Conventions.

Fuck ’em all…You go in, kick their asses then go back over ’em and kill the whole damn bunch. End of story, no more problems from that fucking crew.

3/17 Air Cav

What Streetsweeper said!

FatCircles0311

Mccain isn’t on the sidelines. He picked his side and it’s not ameicas.

rb325th

I could give a rats ass about those 3 terrorist who could have been shot on sight, but were instead subjected to a few moments of terror themselves. The report written by the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Comittee is utter garbage. No interviews of key personnel involved, a complete witch hunt using only cherry picked information that would “prove” their predetermined outcome.
Almost 3,000 lives in one day snuffed out… beheadings, sex slave trade, forced conversions, crucifictions, etc… I really don’t think waterboarding thre heinous terrorist puts use below our enemies on the morality scale.